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Impending rail strike

Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:33 am

With the railroads set to go on strike at 12:01 am this Friday, do you think it will actually happen? I personally don't, it will come to the wire but it will be avoided one way or another.

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/looming ... d=89587287
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:13 am

Well, Bernie screwed the pooch and blocked Congress imposing a settlement, so more likely now, not definite.
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:35 am

According to CNN, a deal has been reached to avert a rail strike.
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:32 pm

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According to CNN, a deal has been reached to avert a rail strike.

Still has to be voted on. One of the smaller unions rejected their tentative deal yesterday. There exists the risk one of these two bigger unions would do the same thing.
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:42 pm

The major freight railroads in the USA have seen growing demand but are understaffed in some of the specific skills (and separate unions) from the pandemic, retirements, difficulty in getting new staff and trained. Some of the issues include being on demand to work on short notice 24/7/365 if have minimum mandatory rest times, disrupting personal and family time, even if get overtime pay, sick pay and health care benefits.Hopefully some of those complaints will be or have been worked out to avoid a strike.
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:38 pm

Please name the country.
 
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Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:12 pm

US under the much-loved RLA
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:16 pm

cjg225 wrote:
VMCA787 wrote:
According to CNN, a deal has been reached to avert a rail strike.

Still has to be voted on. One of the smaller unions rejected their tentative deal yesterday. There exists the risk one of these two bigger unions would do the same thing.




Interesting given the fact the agreement was not reached until this morning at 0530! 24% pay raise and back pay from 2020.

https://us.cnn.com/2022/09/15/politics/ ... index.html
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:17 pm

So for now the wolf is no longer at the door. However it is not over yet. It will be at least a week till we know if the membership is going to ratify things. And there is no guarantee they will.

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Re: Impending rail strike

Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:51 pm

I'm on another forum that is railroad-related. The issue isn't money, it's working conditions. They are so short staffed that they are called on their minimum rest. They have sick and vacation days but unless they are applied for well in the future, they are penalized for taking them. They can't schedule doctor's appts, etc.
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:02 pm

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I'm on another forum that is railroad-related. The issue isn't money, it's working conditions. They are so short staffed that they are called on their minimum rest. They have sick and vacation days but unless they are applied for well in the future, they are penalized for taking them. They can't schedule doctor's appts, etc.

Yes, the biggest issues for the unions are "quality of life" ones.

These have some decent information on the primary issue regarding time off and scheduling.

Under the federal Railway Labor Act, railroad workers like Sawyer aren’t covered by the federal overtime protections of the Fair Labor Standards Act. Instead, they are only guaranteed ten hours off from work every 24 hours—
[...]
As the railroads have laid off more and more staff, they have forced workers like Lindsey to regularly work 80 to 90 hours a week, leading to an exodus of staff.

https://prospect.org/labor/potential-ra ... cheduling/


The attendance policy, known as “Hi-Viz,” is part of a series of actions taken by BNSF and other railroads to cut capacity and squeeze labor costs. As the Prospect has explained, these “precision scheduled railroading” policies, intensely sought by Wall Street, raise railroad profits but make the system vulnerable to becoming overwhelmed during surges in demand for shipping. Sure enough, that’s what’s happening right now during the supply chain crunch, and according to Regan and his affiliated unions, the Hi-Viz policy would exacerbate that.

Under Hi-Viz, which was implemented February 1, BNSF gives every employee a bank of points, and if for any reason that employee cannot take a shift—whether for family and medical leave, conflicts in their schedules, personal illness, or even COVID-19—the employee is docked points. The docked points go up if the scheduled days in question are “high-impact,” like on a national holiday.

https://prospect.org/labor/rail-workers ... nion-says/


Under the new policy, engineers and conductors begin with 30 points, and then points are deducted from that for absences, with the deductions ranging from two points to 25 points. A worker can earn four points back by being available to work for 14 days in a row including weekends. An employee would be disciplined when their points are exhausted.

Now the railroad plans to offer seven bonus points to workers who log the most hours in a month. Workers will also receive one extra point if they remain available to work right before or after planned vacations, show up on holidays and other in-demand days or if they have to report to work between Friday afternoon and midday Saturday.

The head of the Transportation Trades Department union coalition that includes BLET, SMART-TD and several other rail unions said the tweaks BNSF is making don’t change the overall effect of the policy because earning an extra point or two won’t offset provisions like the 15-point deduction for being unable to work on a holiday.

https://apnews.com/article/government-a ... 1e5a126e26

More related info on the recent policies being implemented by the railroads:
https://prospect.org/economy/how-americ ... ailroaded/
https://www.kpbs.org/news/news/national ... ail-strike


From what I understand, an employee is required to work hours unless they have used the bank to take it off, and they are called in as required to meet the rails labor needs.

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Re: Impending rail strike

Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:16 pm

They even get penalized if they take time from their sick bank, depending on when they do it.
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:09 am

VMCA787 wrote:
Interesting given the fact the agreement was not reached until this morning at 0530! 24% pay raise and back pay from 2020.

https://us.cnn.com/2022/09/15/politics/ ... index.html

This has been going on for a very, very long time. Not every union got the same deal. There are 12 different labor unions involved. The two largest unions, by far, were the hold outs until this morning. But, one of the smaller unions, that had reached a deal some time ago, rejected their deal when it went to membership vote.

There exists the risk these two large unions could do the same thing. The general media is celebrating victory, but the reality is that, technically, the membership could reject the deal.
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:37 pm

I stand with the Railroad workers quality of life demands.

For those that may know, how does the working conditions of freight railroad workers in other countries compare to the US workers?
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:37 am

johns624 wrote:
I'm on another forum that is railroad-related. The issue isn't money, it's working conditions. They are so short staffed that they are called on their minimum rest. They have sick and vacation days but unless they are applied for well in the future, they are penalized for taking them. They can't schedule doctor's appts, etc.


Could you DM me about the same, thank you.
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:32 am

The threat of a freight railroad strike is back

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/10/business/railroad-union-vote-strike-threat/index.html

The two largest unions, the Sheet Metal, Air, Rail, Transportation union, which represents conductors, and the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen, which represents engineers, have yet to vote. Online chatter among the conductors union and engineers union members signal they want a strike before even seeing the contract.

Even if the members of the two larger unions vote in favor of their deals, they would not report to work if the BMWE were to go on strike. And the fact that the BMWE voted down the contract is probably a sign that rank-and-file anger towards railroad management could lead to no votes at the two larger unions as well.
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:35 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
The threat of a freight railroad strike is back

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/10/business/railroad-union-vote-strike-threat/index.html

The two largest unions, the Sheet Metal, Air, Rail, Transportation union, which represents conductors, and the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen, which represents engineers, have yet to vote. Online chatter among the conductors union and engineers union members signal they want a strike before even seeing the contract.

Even if the members of the two larger unions vote in favor of their deals, they would not report to work if the BMWE were to go on strike. And the fact that the BMWE voted down the contract is probably a sign that rank-and-file anger towards railroad management could lead to no votes at the two larger unions as well.

The threat never really went away. This is why it was so vexing to see all the cheering headlines from last month that we were all good after that tentative agreement was reached, in no small part because that agreement didn't cover all 12 unions and that various unions were more upset with the proposals than others. We've already seen one rejection, now another, and there is a real risk that the deal reached on the 11th for the 2 largest unions could be rejected, as well.
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:13 pm

cjg225 wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
The threat of a freight railroad strike is back

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/10/business/railroad-union-vote-strike-threat/index.html

The two largest unions, the Sheet Metal, Air, Rail, Transportation union, which represents conductors, and the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen, which represents engineers, have yet to vote. Online chatter among the conductors union and engineers union members signal they want a strike before even seeing the contract.

Even if the members of the two larger unions vote in favor of their deals, they would not report to work if the BMWE were to go on strike. And the fact that the BMWE voted down the contract is probably a sign that rank-and-file anger towards railroad management could lead to no votes at the two larger unions as well.

The threat never really went away. This is why it was so vexing to see all the cheering headlines from last month that we were all good after that tentative agreement was reached, in no small part because that agreement didn't cover all 12 unions and that various unions were more upset with the proposals than others. We've already seen one rejection, now another, and there is a real risk that the deal reached on the 11th for the 2 largest unions could be rejected, as well.

The cheering was because it pushed any strike to past the November elections...

There will be a strike.
And with Sanders commitment to keep Congress out of it the railway companies will have to cave (after a few weeks at least. Which will still be very bad).

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Re: Impending rail strike

Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:43 pm

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I stand with the Railroad workers quality of life demands.

For those that may know, how does the working conditions of freight railroad workers in other countries compare to the US workers?


Although it’s not the same, here we deal with these quality of life issues by replacing human driven trains with driverless “metro” trains. They simply get rid of the quality of life issues by getting rid of the person driving the train.

Not done yet with normal freight trains, but I think it is being thought about with the iron ore trains.

Edit: they actually have done it:

https://www.riotinto.com/en/news/storie ... gest-robot
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:37 pm

Tugger wrote:
cjg225 wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
The threat of a freight railroad strike is back

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/10/business/railroad-union-vote-strike-threat/index.html

The two largest unions, the Sheet Metal, Air, Rail, Transportation union, which represents conductors, and the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen, which represents engineers, have yet to vote. Online chatter among the conductors union and engineers union members signal they want a strike before even seeing the contract.

Even if the members of the two larger unions vote in favor of their deals, they would not report to work if the BMWE were to go on strike. And the fact that the BMWE voted down the contract is probably a sign that rank-and-file anger towards railroad management could lead to no votes at the two larger unions as well.

The threat never really went away. This is why it was so vexing to see all the cheering headlines from last month that we were all good after that tentative agreement was reached, in no small part because that agreement didn't cover all 12 unions and that various unions were more upset with the proposals than others. We've already seen one rejection, now another, and there is a real risk that the deal reached on the 11th for the 2 largest unions could be rejected, as well.

The cheering was because it pushed any strike to past the November elections...

There will be a strike.
And with Sanders commitment to keep Congress out of it the railway companies will have to cave (after a few weeks at least. Which will still be very bad).

Tugg


There is NO WAY there will be a strike. If it came down to it, the POTUS will order them back to work. The supply chain is already too fragile, shutting down rail would be a complete disaster.
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:45 pm

FLYFIRSTCLASS wrote:
Tugger wrote:
cjg225 wrote:
The threat never really went away. This is why it was so vexing to see all the cheering headlines from last month that we were all good after that tentative agreement was reached, in no small part because that agreement didn't cover all 12 unions and that various unions were more upset with the proposals than others. We've already seen one rejection, now another, and there is a real risk that the deal reached on the 11th for the 2 largest unions could be rejected, as well.

The cheering was because it pushed any strike to past the November elections...

There will be a strike.
And with Sanders commitment to keep Congress out of it the railway companies will have to cave (after a few weeks at least. Which will still be very bad).

Tugg


There is NO WAY there will be a strike. If it came down to it, the POTUS will order them back to work. The supply chain is already too fragile, shutting down rail would be a complete disaster.

POTUS can't do it, the Congress has too. And sanders has stated many times he won't support it and the Republican's in this case support the strike because they want to hurt the "Biden economy".

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Re: Impending rail strike

Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:49 pm

Congress can impose a new contract, but POTUS can order them back to work just like the airlines.
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:59 pm

cpd wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
I stand with the Railroad workers quality of life demands.

For those that may know, how does the working conditions of freight railroad workers in other countries compare to the US workers?


Although it’s not the same, here we deal with these quality of life issues by replacing human driven trains with driverless “metro” trains. They simply get rid of the quality of life issues by getting rid of the person driving the train.

Not done yet with normal freight trains, but I think it is being thought about with the iron ore trains.

Edit: they actually have done it:

https://www.riotinto.com/en/news/storie ... gest-robot
The iron ore trains in Western Australia operate on a closed loop with very, very few road crossings or multiple other trains.
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:08 pm

FLYFIRSTCLASS wrote:
Congress can impose a new contract, but POTUS can order them back to work just like the airlines.

Ah, OK, forgot that. Thinking about it I just don't know that Biden would do that. He has already struggled with some union support that has moved to Trumpier ideals. And ordering them back when they are stating the working conditions are unacceptable, not the money, would be tough to explain.

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Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:11 pm

johns624 wrote:
cpd wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
I stand with the Railroad workers quality of life demands.

For those that may know, how does the working conditions of freight railroad workers in other countries compare to the US workers?


Although it’s not the same, here we deal with these quality of life issues by replacing human driven trains with driverless “metro” trains. They simply get rid of the quality of life issues by getting rid of the person driving the train.

Not done yet with normal freight trains, but I think it is being thought about with the iron ore trains.

Edit: they actually have done it:

https://www.riotinto.com/en/news/storie ... gest-robot
The iron ore trains in Western Australia operate on a closed loop with very, very few road crossings or multiple other trains.


I don't have a dog in this fight, and I support the rail workers having a good quality of life. I cant really speak to who is right and wrong on this topic since I just don't know enough, but I think rail is the perfect place to implement remote driver-less technology. Trains have the right of way at crossings,and there is very very little passenger traffic on the major rail lines. Most passenger traffic is on dedicated lines or systems.
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:15 pm

We will have to see what transpires, it could be a complete disaster for an already fragile economy. My friend is an Engineer with Union Pacific, I will see what he says about this latest development. I know quality of life was huge deal to him.
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:57 pm

Tugger wrote:
FLYFIRSTCLASS wrote:
Congress can impose a new contract, but POTUS can order them back to work just like the airlines.

Ah, OK, forgot that. Thinking about it I just don't know that Biden would do that. He has already struggled with some union support that has moved to Trumpier ideals. And ordering them back when they are stating the working conditions are unacceptable, not the money, would be tough to explain.

Tugg

A massive railroad strike would be like... pretty chilling stuff, real economic meltdown. Empty supermarket shelves like the worst stretches of COVID, gas stations without gas for weeks, inability to move partially finished goods, industrial supplies, or precursors between sites, thus critically weakening manufacturing and construction.

It could easily kick a recession into a depression that would take a lot longer to get out of. It would be completely catastrophic.
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:18 pm

bluecrew wrote:
Tugger wrote:
FLYFIRSTCLASS wrote:
Congress can impose a new contract, but POTUS can order them back to work just like the airlines.

Ah, OK, forgot that. Thinking about it I just don't know that Biden would do that. He has already struggled with some union support that has moved to Trumpier ideals. And ordering them back when they are stating the working conditions are unacceptable, not the money, would be tough to explain.

Tugg

A massive railroad strike would be like... pretty chilling stuff, real economic meltdown. Empty supermarket shelves like the worst stretches of COVID, gas stations without gas for weeks, inability to move partially finished goods, industrial supplies, or precursors between sites, thus critically weakening manufacturing and construction.

It could easily kick a recession into a depression that would take a lot longer to get out of. It would be completely catastrophic.


Agreed, thats why it would be political suicide to allow this strike to take place. One of my best friends is an engineer with Union Pacific, he agrees, they will NEVER be allowed to strike. Much like of AA's pilots tried to go on strike never be allowed.
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:22 pm

FLYFIRSTCLASS wrote:
bluecrew wrote:
Tugger wrote:
Ah, OK, forgot that. Thinking about it I just don't know that Biden would do that. He has already struggled with some union support that has moved to Trumpier ideals. And ordering them back when they are stating the working conditions are unacceptable, not the money, would be tough to explain.

Tugg

A massive railroad strike would be like... pretty chilling stuff, real economic meltdown. Empty supermarket shelves like the worst stretches of COVID, gas stations without gas for weeks, inability to move partially finished goods, industrial supplies, or precursors between sites, thus critically weakening manufacturing and construction.

It could easily kick a recession into a depression that would take a lot longer to get out of. It would be completely catastrophic.


Agreed, thats why it would be political suicide to allow this strike to take place. One of my best friends is an engineer with Union Pacific, he agrees, they will NEVER be allowed to strike. Much like of AA's pilots tried to go on strike never be allowed.



It's also why the Unions feel it is in their best interests to present a strike to the management, as they are now in a higher bargaining position. They can supply a strike leading to a depression/recession, or a get new benefits and pay driving some inflation, but either way, they have some serious leverage right now, since the workforce is so tight.
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:03 pm

casinterest wrote:
FLYFIRSTCLASS wrote:
bluecrew wrote:
A massive railroad strike would be like... pretty chilling stuff, real economic meltdown. Empty supermarket shelves like the worst stretches of COVID, gas stations without gas for weeks, inability to move partially finished goods, industrial supplies, or precursors between sites, thus critically weakening manufacturing and construction.

It could easily kick a recession into a depression that would take a lot longer to get out of. It would be completely catastrophic.


Agreed, thats why it would be political suicide to allow this strike to take place. One of my best friends is an engineer with Union Pacific, he agrees, they will NEVER be allowed to strike. Much like of AA's pilots tried to go on strike never be allowed.



It's also why the Unions feel it is in their best interests to present a strike to the management, as they are now in a higher bargaining position. They can supply a strike leading to a depression/recession, or a get new benefits and pay driving some inflation, but either way, they have some serious leverage right now, since the workforce is so tight.


Management knows a strike will probably last about 2 seconds, just as when AA's pilots tried to strike back in the 90's, Clinton ordered them back as soon as they walked out. Biden will do the same. They will get ordered back to the negotiating tables and if they still cannot agree on a new contract one will be imposed.

Any strike or lockout won't last long, though. Under the Railway Labor Act, Congress can step in to either impose a resolution based on a Presidential Emergency Board plan that was submitted in August or order trains to operate as usual while the two sides continue to negotiate
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:16 pm

What would be interesting is the railways think a contract favorable to the union will be imposed. Sanders has already stated he doesn't favor congress doing that, so if they are going to get his vote then it will need be better for the unions. I can see that something that could be and if the companies see that then they might change their tune quickly.

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Get ready for the first U.S. railroad strike in three decades: Analysis

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews ... -analysis/

By Bill Stephens | October 27, 2022

Two unions' rejection of tentative contract deals make it more likely that engineers' and conductors' unions will vote no, too, increasing the prospect of a strike

A U.S. railroad strike now seems inevitable.

The Brotherhood of Railroad Signalmen overwhelmingly rejected their tentative contract agreement with the railroads this week, following in the footsteps of the Brotherhood of Maintenance of Way Employees, who turned down their deal earlier this month.

This makes it almost certain that the rank-and-file members of the two largest rail unions — the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen and the SMART-TD union that represents conductors — will vote down their proposed contracts as well. They’re now due to release the results of their ballots on Nov. 21.
 
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DIRECTFLT wrote:
Soft Paywall

Get ready for the first U.S. railroad strike in three decades: Analysis

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews ... -analysis/

By Bill Stephens | October 27, 2022

Two unions' rejection of tentative contract deals make it more likely that engineers' and conductors' unions will vote no, too, increasing the prospect of a strike

A U.S. railroad strike now seems inevitable.

The Brotherhood of Railroad Signalmen overwhelmingly rejected their tentative contract agreement with the railroads this week, following in the footsteps of the Brotherhood of Maintenance of Way Employees, who turned down their deal earlier this month.

This makes it almost certain that the rank-and-file members of the two largest rail unions — the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen and the SMART-TD union that represents conductors — will vote down their proposed contracts as well. They’re now due to release the results of their ballots on Nov. 21.


Its hard to tell, even if the engineers and conductors ratify their contract they will unlikely cross the lines of striking brothers. However, given the already very weak US economy and sky high inflation and supply chain shortages there is NO WAY the POTUS will allow a strike, he will likely order them back to work and the tables. Eventually a presidential emergency board will decide a contract under binding arbitration transportation railway labor act
 
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There is NO WAY there will be a strike. If it came down to it, the POTUS will order them back to work. The supply chain is already too fragile, shutting down rail would be a complete disaster.

Hmmm, that sounds a lot like "Government overreach".
 
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FLYFIRSTCLASS wrote:
There is NO WAY there will be a strike. If it came down to it, the POTUS will order them back to work. The supply chain is already too fragile, shutting down rail would be a complete disaster.

Hmmm, that sounds a lot like "Government overreach".


I agree it is but I also can see reality.
 
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BNSF workers outraged, disappointed after judge grants temporary restraining order blocking strike

A federal judge sided with the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway saying that a strike of 17,000 union workers would "exacerbate our current supply chain crisis."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEKjI0NrByE
 
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DIRECTFLT wrote:
BNSF workers outraged, disappointed after judge grants temporary restraining order blocking strike

A federal judge sided with the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway saying that a strike of 17,000 union workers would "exacerbate our current supply chain crisis."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEKjI0NrByE


Isn't the point of a strike to disrupt the supply chain?
 
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Isn't the point of a strike to disrupt the supply chain?


Yes. But it shouldn't be. A work stoppage should be designed to hurt the employer with minimal inconvenience to the customer. When you hurt innocent citizens with your actions you should be stopped. That's why things like sickouts etc are more effective...it gives the customer an opportunity to make alternate plans that are only minor inconveniences.

I seem to recall a while back about an airline union that would strike for only a day or two and they would not publicize it so the company couldn't really prepare. It had the desired effect because many of the business travelers booked away from that airline until it was resolved. Was that TWA, maybe USAIR. Either way, the government never got involved because it wasn't really interrupting anything to much.
 
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bpatus297 wrote:

Isn't the point of a strike to disrupt the supply chain?


Yes. But it shouldn't be. A work stoppage should be designed to hurt the employer with minimal inconvenience to the customer. When you hurt innocent citizens with your actions you should be stopped. That's why things like sickouts etc are more effective...it gives the customer an opportunity to make alternate plans that are only minor inconveniences.

I seem to recall a while back about an airline union that would strike for only a day or two and they would not publicize it so the company couldn't really prepare. It had the desired effect because many of the business travelers booked away from that airline until it was resolved. Was that TWA, maybe USAIR. Either way, the government never got involved because it wasn't really interrupting anything to much.


IIRC, the union was enjoined from striking in that manner—it’s all or nothing.
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:19 pm

dalmit wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:

Isn't the point of a strike to disrupt the supply chain?


Yes. But it shouldn't be. A work stoppage should be designed to hurt the employer with minimal inconvenience to the customer. When you hurt innocent citizens with your actions you should be stopped. That's why things like sickouts etc are more effective...it gives the customer an opportunity to make alternate plans that are only minor inconveniences.

I seem to recall a while back about an airline union that would strike for only a day or two and they would not publicize it so the company couldn't really prepare. It had the desired effect because many of the business travelers booked away from that airline until it was resolved. Was that TWA, maybe USAIR. Either way, the government never got involved because it wasn't really interrupting anything to much.


I agree with you, but that is the one sure way to get the employer to listen.
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:31 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
dalmit wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:

Isn't the point of a strike to disrupt the supply chain?


Yes. But it shouldn't be. A work stoppage should be designed to hurt the employer with minimal inconvenience to the customer. When you hurt innocent citizens with your actions you should be stopped. That's why things like sickouts etc are more effective...it gives the customer an opportunity to make alternate plans that are only minor inconveniences.

I seem to recall a while back about an airline union that would strike for only a day or two and they would not publicize it so the company couldn't really prepare. It had the desired effect because many of the business travelers booked away from that airline until it was resolved. Was that TWA, maybe USAIR. Either way, the government never got involved because it wasn't really interrupting anything to much.


IIRC, the union was enjoined from striking in that manner—it’s all or nothing.


Back around 1998 or so the AA pilots pulled a stunt like that and pretty much shut AA down for 4 days. they were upset that AA was buying QQ.
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2022 2:25 pm

The one I’m thinking of resulted in a $45 million fine which would have been quite an member assessment.
 
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Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:42 am

TYT: The Biden Admin has "kneecapped" the Union workers... Strike Leverage taken away

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WjF_Urj2W8
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:27 am

Columnists on RR magazines are somewhat agreed that cutting crews to the bare minimum to run the RR has resulted in almost intolerable working conditions. RRs have to run in all kinds of weather, day and night, 365 days a years (plus one on leap year). It is often dirty, dangerous, and miserable work. In the old days pay was high enough and there were enough workers that RRers also enjoyed reliable days off. If that were still being offered owners would have no trouble hiring more workers.
 
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Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:23 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
TYT: The Biden Admin has "kneecapped" the Union workers... Strike Leverage taken away

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WjF_Urj2W8


Politicians gotta politician. Biden wants the incoming Congress to give the unions the bad news. It’s an example of not trusting the idiots on Congress, but I repeat myself.

50 years ago, a UAL MEC member told me the railroad engineer was highly respected man in the 30s like an airline pilot today. That’s what happens over time and what will happen eventually to pilots.
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:46 pm

As holidays near, a nationwide rail strike is still on the table. Here's the latest

https://www.npr.org/2022/11/17/11364593 ... abor-union

Like many rail workers, he expected better, in part because of what he'd been hearing from the White House. President Biden has repeatedly talked of being the most pro-union administration in American history. He appointed former union leader Marty Walsh as Secretary of Labor. If anyone would go to bat for rail workers, it would be this president and this labor secretary, Murtagh believed.

"It was like, this is our time," he says.

He was stunned when Biden's Presidential Emergency Board released its recommendations, which became the framework for the tentative agreement. The unions had requested 15 paid sick days, up from zero. The board responded by recommending just one additional personal day.
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Mon Nov 21, 2022 11:16 pm

Biggest rail union rejects contract, raising possibility of nationwide strike during holidays

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/biggest ... d=93721167

The nation's largest rail union on Monday voted down a tentative contract brokered by the White House, raising the possibility of a nationwide strike next month that could cripple the U.S. economy.

The SMART Transportation Division, or SMART-TD, which represents about 28,000 conductors, rejected the contract in a vote that garnered record turnout, the union said Monday. The contract was nixed by a slim margin, as just 50.8% of workers voted against it.
 
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Tue Nov 22, 2022 1:18 am

One of the largest railway workers unions voted to reject a contract deal brokered by the Biden administration in September. Seven unions have agreed, but all 12 need to approve it to avoid a potentially economically devastating strike. Richard Edelman, attorney for BMWED, a union that voted against the contract, joins CBS News to discuss the contract and what workers say its missing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BIuoxkq5rE
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:28 am

Biden calls on Congress to head off potential rail strike

https://apnews.com/article/business-con ... c6fffb230b

Pelosi said the House would not change the terms of the September agreement, which would challenge the Senate to approve the House bill without changes.

Statement from President Joe Biden on Averting a Rail Shutdown

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... -shutdown/
 
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Re: Impending rail strike

Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:35 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Biden calls on Congress to head off potential rail strike

https://apnews.com/article/business-con ... c6fffb230b

Pelosi said the House would not change the terms of the September agreement, which would challenge the Senate to approve the House bill without changes.


So the democrats claim to be pro union, but yet when given the chance to stand with the Union Workers they turn their backs on labor and side with the corporations? Pelosi's statement takes away all leverage the Union has. What the democrats in Congress should do is pass a bill that imposes all the Union's asks on it, and dare the GOP to vote it down in the senate. By stating they are not changing the terms of the September agreement, which the membership voted down, Pelosi is giving Labor and the Unions a big middle finger right on her way out the speakers door.

And the Democrats wonder why the working class is getting screwed? (The GOP is much worse on this so they get no pass either.

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