MAGA Pelosi attack conspiracy theories

Avatar2go · Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:55 am

The list of MAGA Republicans who have advocated conspiracy theories about the Pelosi attack is growing.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/0 ... y-00064417

The video interview with the San Francisco police chief is especially telling. There is absolutely zero basis for those theories. That has been backed up by an FBI affidavit.

https://time.com/6226946/paul-pelosi-at ... discourse/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... -debunked/

People who have either spoken publicly or tweeted to spread these theories now include Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Kari Lake, Donald Trump Jr, Dinesh D'Souza, Ted Cruz, Clay Higgins, Glen Youngkin, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Jesse Watters, Charlie Kirk, Tom Emmer, and Ronna McDaniel.

A Republican political strategist has questioned whether there is a bottom to how low this discussion can go, and has speculated that there isn't.

GDB · Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:26 am

Now there’s a rogues gallery.
Will those who are always defending or more often trying to deflect tell us, to give one example, MTG’s ideas about the ‘Jewish Space Laser’ that she says caused the California wildfires?
It’s actually, like much else Trump and his allies spout, a KKK trope, unsurprisingly given Trump’s fathers affiliations.
So, come on MAGA apologists, yes or no? Is that true? Is anything they say true, or is it the misogyny and racism that attracts you to their obviously deranged nonsense.

Redd · Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:54 am

Avatar2go wrote:
The list of MAGA Republicans who have advocated conspiracy theories about the Pelosi attack is growing.

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Well, you have to forgive the rational and thinking brains out there for not quite being ready to swallow another "MAGA" attack. Weren't you one of those screaming the same things when Jesse Smolett as 'attacked by MAGA extremists" :rotfl:

So you have to forgive the rationally thinking people for questioning the left wing narrative, that was so conveniently ready to go, right before an election and not too long after his DUI charge.

Personally, I'd like to see the body cam footage. Although I doubt well see that as there seems to be some ......'things' going on.

Avatar2go · Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:24 am

Redd wrote:

Well, you have to forgive the rational and thinking brains out there for not quite being ready to swallow another "MAGA" attack. Weren't you one of those screaming the same things when Jesse Smolett as 'attacked by MAGA extremists"

No clue what you are referring to, I have never posted about Jesse Smollett here. Nor do I support what he did. His lie was similar to those being put forward by the listed MAGA's in the Pelosi case.

So you have to forgive the rationally thinking people for questioning the left wing narrative, that was so conveniently ready to go, right before an election and not too long after his DUI charge.

Personally, I'd like to see the body cam footage. Although I doubt well see that as there seems to be some ......'things' going on.

We'll add you to the list of MAGAs who are endorsing the conspiracy theory. By definition, those theories are sustained by people who believe either in the absence of evidence, or in opposition to the evidence. This would be a case of the former.

And to be clear, there is absolutely nothing rational about the belief in conspiracy theories. In fact it's completely irrational.

You've been shown that there is no evidence, by the police chief and the FBI. The purported evidence mentioned by Trump and others, has been debunked. It is a lie manufactured in sustainment of another lie.

For a rational person, the conclusion from this would be obvious. It's a conspiracy theory put forth to excuse the assailant, who was acting on similarly false conspiracy theories.

Redd · Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:29 am

Avatar2go wrote:
Redd wrote:

Well, you have to forgive the rational and thinking brains out there for not quite being ready to swallow another "MAGA" attack. Weren't you one of those screaming the same things when Jesse Smolett as 'attacked by MAGA extremists"

No clue what you are referring to, I have never posted about Jesse Smollett here. Nor do I support what he did. His lie was similar to those being put forward by the listed MAGA's in the Pelosi case.

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I'll tell you what I'm talking about then, if it's so hard to decipher. Smollett, Sandman, Rittenhouse, etc (now potentially Pelosi). Lies on top of lies, to try to make anyone who doesn't agree with the crazy leftists look like some mythical MAGA, extremist. That's the media

Clear?

Avatar2go · Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:46 am

Redd wrote:

I'll tell you what I'm talking about then, if it's so hard to decipher. Smollett, Sandman, Rittenhouse, etc (now potentially Pelosi). Lies on top of lies, to try to make anyone who doesn't agree with the crazy leftists look like some mythical MAGA, extremist. That's the media

Clear?

Your reasoning is that if there was ever a false statement associated with the left, then by definition every statement associated with the left is false.

As I pointed out, that view is irrational. Each case stands or falls by its own merits. In this case, there are no merits to the conspiracy theories being put forth about the Pelosi attack. None at all. Exactly zero.

Smollett was an egregious case of lying to manipulate the media and enhance his career. Sandman was a mistake which was corrected. Rittenhouse was a borderline case, for which there are valid views on both sides. And Rittenhouse too, was partially motivated by conspiracy theories.

A rational person looks for the truth in all cases. In this case, there is no truth in the conspiracy theory. That is a simple fact.

GDB · Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:13 am

I was right, trying to link it with some actor few even knew about before, who has no political power and now likely, few friends.
One of ‘those people’ though, so that presumably is enough. Hilariously desperate.

zkojq · Wed Nov 02, 2022 12:22 pm

Amazing isn't it? Any time you think the bottom of the barrel has been reached, somehow it gets deeper still.

I wish mr Pelosi a speedy recovery and hope he will stop insider trading based on privelaged information from his spouse.

Avatar2go wrote:
Smollett was an egregious case of lying to manipulate the media and enhance his career.

Smollett was important because his lies reinforce the MAGA narrative of race-based attacks on people of colour being fake or "false flag". It allows them to pretend that most/all of them are. Very useful for whataboutism.

pune · Wed Nov 02, 2022 12:30 pm

There is enough history in the world where people are and have been showing doing things which are against their society interest because personal profit is more important. Case in point -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cu6ITNjcxs

casinterest · Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:07 pm

The GOP has a semi facism problem,

1. They centralize on one leader( Trump)
2.They are very forcible in their ultra nationalism( only they are true patriots)
3. They gaslight their own members for donations and insult them for not being "True Patriots"
4. They push for their own media and social circle. ( stay out of the "Mainstream Media" Only trust us. If they don't , then refer to rule 3.
5. They blame everyone else for problems that they themselves share the blame in
6. They demonize and slander anyone that is percieved to be against "Them"
7. They do not push back against any statement that accomplishes the above goals.

So Conspiracy theories are easily rampant in the GOP, and the very weak minds are capable of doing some of the worst things out of hate and anger and fear generated by the above cycle.

I always find it amazing that a party that once valued "Rugged Individulaism" has fallen into a cult of abused and abusive cult members.

seb146 · Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:28 pm

Redd wrote:
Well, you have to forgive the rational and thinking brains out there for not quite being ready to swallow another "MAGA" attack. Weren't you one of those screaming the same things when Jesse Smolett as 'attacked by MAGA extremists"

It is interesting, don't you think, that people who did defend Smolett for like five seconds at the beginning actually changed course when the whole story came out? Unlike MAGAs who just believe whatever they are told. For decades, right wing media has been demanding all communist liberals be hated. Like socialist Hillary and marxist Obama. People still believe Democrats are Jewish pedophiles trying to take over the world from the basement of a pizza parlor. That conspiracy has been debunked many times over, but it is still believed. Just like Obama wasn't born in America. Complete lie, but the right still believes it.

I wonder why one side is willing to look at facts objectively and change their minds when presented with facts but MAGAs stick to their opinions?

victrola · Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:54 pm

The mainstream of the Republican party is dominated by raving conspiracy theorists. Anyone who now votes for Republicans is voting for fascism. These people and the people who vote for them are enemies of truth and democracy. Democracy dies in the United States next week.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... 31b17eef1f

STT757 · Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:45 pm

zkojq wrote:
Amazing isn't it? Any time you think the bottom of the barrel has been reached, somehow it gets deeper still.

I wish mr Pelosi a speedy recovery and hope he will stop insider trading based on privelaged information from his spouse.

Avatar2go wrote:
Smollett was an egregious case of lying to manipulate the media and enhance his career.

Smollett was important because his lies reinforce the MAGA narrative of race-based attacks on people of colour being fake or "false flag". It allows them to pretend that most/all of them are. Very useful for whataboutism.

The bottom of the barrel keeps getting deeper, may I introduce this School Board candidate from New Jersey.

https://www.nj.com/education/2022/11/man-in-where-is-nancy-t-shirt-posing-with-skeleton-is-nj-school-board-candidate.html

Redd · Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:15 pm

Avatar2go wrote:

Smollett was an egregious case of lying to manipulate the media and enhance his career. Sandman was a mistake which was corrected. Rittenhouse was a borderline case, for which there are valid views on both sides. And Rittenhouse too, was partially motivated by conspiracy theories.

A rational person looks for the truth in all cases. In this case, there is no truth in the conspiracy theory. That is a simple fact.

Ok, we're on to something. Those cases were that, and this case, we still don't know. The left leaning media is running with it the same way it ran with the above-mentioned cases, demonizing anyone who doesn't agree and labeling them crazy, MAGA, and whatever else.

I'm not saying it isn't exactly as the media is portraying it, but being skeptical in this case is certainly justifiable, taking into consideration their recent track record.

And all the evidence to the contrary so far aren't conspiracy theories. Let it play out. If it was a MAGA Q quack, we'll see. But there is a good chance these 'right wing conspiracy theories' hold water right now.

This story is very self serving to both sides of the political spectrum at the moment. The right with their theories, and left with their hatred towards anything not left. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. There are gaps in the story, that much isn't arguable. If there wasn't we'd already have the body cam footage.

casinterest · Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:17 pm

Redd wrote:
Avatar2go wrote:

Smollett was an egregious case of lying to manipulate the media and enhance his career. Sandman was a mistake which was corrected. Rittenhouse was a borderline case, for which there are valid views on both sides. And Rittenhouse too, was partially motivated by conspiracy theories.

A rational person looks for the truth in all cases. In this case, there is no truth in the conspiracy theory. That is a simple fact.

Ok, we're on to something. Those cases were that, and this case, we still don't know. The left leaning media is running with it the same way it ran with the above-mentioned cases, demonizing anyone who doesn't agree and labeling them crazy, MAGA, and whatever else.

I'm not saying it isn't exactly as the media is portraying it, but being skeptical in this case is certainly justifiable, taking into consideration their recent track record.

And all the evidence to the contrary so far aren't conspiracy theories. Let it play out. If it was a MAGA Q quack, we'll see. But there is a good chance these 'right wing conspiracy theories' hold water right now.

It isn't the media running with it. This case against Pelosi is from the Police 911 calls and their own evidence. The only ones that have started a conspiracy are the ones that aren't there.

Redd · Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:24 pm

casinterest wrote:
Redd wrote:
Avatar2go wrote:

Smollett was an egregious case of lying to manipulate the media and enhance his career. Sandman was a mistake which was corrected. Rittenhouse was a borderline case, for which there are valid views on both sides. And Rittenhouse too, was partially motivated by conspiracy theories.

A rational person looks for the truth in all cases. In this case, there is no truth in the conspiracy theory. That is a simple fact.

Ok, we're on to something. Those cases were that, and this case, we still don't know. The left leaning media is running with it the same way it ran with the above-mentioned cases, demonizing anyone who doesn't agree and labeling them crazy, MAGA, and whatever else.

I'm not saying it isn't exactly as the media is portraying it, but being skeptical in this case is certainly justifiable, taking into consideration their recent track record.

And all the evidence to the contrary so far aren't conspiracy theories. Let it play out. If it was a MAGA Q quack, we'll see. But there is a good chance these 'right wing conspiracy theories' hold water right now.

It isn't the media running with it. This case against Pelosi is from the Police 911 calls and their own evidence. The only ones that have started a conspiracy are the ones that aren't there.

The media aren't running with it, they're flying with it. Both sides are.

casinterest · Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:28 pm

Redd wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Redd wrote:

Ok, we're on to something. Those cases were that, and this case, we still don't know. The left leaning media is running with it the same way it ran with the above-mentioned cases, demonizing anyone who doesn't agree and labeling them crazy, MAGA, and whatever else.

I'm not saying it isn't exactly as the media is portraying it, but being skeptical in this case is certainly justifiable, taking into consideration their recent track record.

And all the evidence to the contrary so far aren't conspiracy theories. Let it play out. If it was a MAGA Q quack, we'll see. But there is a good chance these 'right wing conspiracy theories' hold water right now.

It isn't the media running with it. This case against Pelosi is from the Police 911 calls and their own evidence. The only ones that have started a conspiracy are the ones that aren't there.

The media aren't running with it, they're flying with it. Both sides are.

No, only those pigeoned in by Right Wing Networks are running with conspiracy. The rest are going with the police and hospital reports of an attack.

Smollet was a case where people beleived his story before finding out about his history with the attackers.

THis case, we have the video of the intruder breaking in, the 911 call, the damage, and the website and mental issues of the attacker.
Only sites that care about continuing baseless attacks against Pelosi are running with conspiracy.

victrola · Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:01 pm

casinterest wrote:
Redd wrote:
casinterest wrote:

It isn't the media running with it. This case against Pelosi is from the Police 911 calls and their own evidence. The only ones that have started a conspiracy are the ones that aren't there.

The media aren't running with it, they're flying with it. Both sides are.

No, only those pigeoned in by Right Wing Networks are running with conspiracy. The rest are going with the police and hospital reports of an attack.

Smollet was a case where people beleived his story before finding out about his history with the attackers.

THis case, we have the video of the intruder breaking in, the 911 call, the damage, and the website and mental issues of the attacker.
Only sites that care about continuing baseless attacks against Pelosi are running with conspiracy.

Since when do you think something as trivial as hard evidence is going to deter true believers like Redd?

casinterest · Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:04 pm

victrola wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Redd wrote:

The media aren't running with it, they're flying with it. Both sides are.

No, only those pigeoned in by Right Wing Networks are running with conspiracy. The rest are going with the police and hospital reports of an attack.

Smollet was a case where people beleived his story before finding out about his history with the attackers.

THis case, we have the video of the intruder breaking in, the 911 call, the damage, and the website and mental issues of the attacker.
Only sites that care about continuing baseless attacks against Pelosi are running with conspiracy.

Since when do you think something as trivial as hard evidence is going to deter true believers like Redd?

At the point that they start to realize that their bank accounts are being drained by liars that only see them as dollar signs.

Evern Youngkin has come around.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/02/politics ... index.html

Days after making light of the attack on Paul Pelosi, Virginia Republican Gov. Glenn Youngkin admitted he was wrong.

“At the end of the day, I really wanted to express the fact that what happened to Speaker Pelosi’s husband was atrocious,” Youngkin told Punchbowl News. “And I didn’t do a great job.”

SL1200MK2 · Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:11 pm

I think the term used to describe the folks who believe this stuff is “cognitively vulnerable”. And, they really do enjoy being taken for a ride.

victrola · Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:25 pm

Redd wrote:
Avatar2go wrote:
The list of MAGA Republicans who have advocated conspiracy theories about the Pelosi attack is growing.

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Well, you have to forgive the rational and thinking brains out there for not quite being ready to swallow another "MAGA" attack. Weren't you one of those screaming the same things when Jesse Smolett as 'attacked by MAGA extremists"

So you have to forgive the rationally thinking people for questioning the left wing narrative, that was so conveniently ready to go, right before an election and not too long after his DUI charge.

Personally, I'd like to see the body cam footage. Although I doubt well see that as there seems to be some ......'things' going on.

So, If I understand it correctly, Nancy Pelosi talked her husband into being a victim of a hammer bludgeoning that would put him into the hospital so that the Democrats could discredit MAGA. Or maybe Paul wasn't really bludgeoned and the whole operation and hospital stay is fake. Yep, it was all a publicity stunt and the real Paul Pelosi is hiding out at Hilary's Pedophile Pizza Parlor at this very moment. You really have to hand it to the "rational thinking brains out there" Why don't you fill us in on what really happened.

NIKV69 · Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:25 pm

casinterest wrote:

THis case, we have the video of the intruder breaking in.

Can you provide a link?

casinterest · Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:30 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
casinterest wrote:

THis case, we have the video of the intruder breaking in.

Can you provide a link?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paul-pelos ... ty-camera/

The break-in at the San Francisco home of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her husband, Paul Pelosi, was captured by security cameras outside the house that were installed by the U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) and that send live video feeds to its command center in Washington, D.C. But Capitol Police only learned of the break-in after an officer in the command center saw a police cruiser in the couple's driveway and alerted superiors, according to two sources familiar with the investigation.

M564038 · Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:39 pm

I have to remind you that you don’t even have a politically represented left wing in US political power. You have a moderate right wing as represented by the Democrats, and a hard to extreme right wing as represented by the republican party.

Redd wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Redd wrote:

Ok, we're on to something. Those cases were that, and this case, we still don't know. The left leaning media is running with it the same way it ran with the above-mentioned cases, demonizing anyone who doesn't agree and labeling them crazy, MAGA, and whatever else.

I'm not saying it isn't exactly as the media is portraying it, but being skeptical in this case is certainly justifiable, taking into consideration their recent track record.

And all the evidence to the contrary so far aren't conspiracy theories. Let it play out. If it was a MAGA Q quack, we'll see. But there is a good chance these 'right wing conspiracy theories' hold water right now.

It isn't the media running with it. This case against Pelosi is from the Police 911 calls and their own evidence. The only ones that have started a conspiracy are the ones that aren't there.

The media aren't running with it, they're flying with it. Both sides are.

NIKV69 · Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:39 pm

casinterest wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
casinterest wrote:

THis case, we have the video of the intruder breaking in.

Can you provide a link?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paul-pelos ... ty-camera/
The break-in at the San Francisco home of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her husband, Paul Pelosi, was captured by security cameras outside the house that were installed by the U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) and that send live video feeds to its command center in Washington, D.C. But Capitol Police only learned of the break-in after an officer in the command center saw a police cruiser in the couple's driveway and alerted superiors, according to two sources familiar with the investigation.

So we don't have anything then, just Capital police telling us they had cameras capturing the whole thing but nobody was watching. I will wait for the video evidence both from these alleged cameras at the house and the police body cams.

CaptHadley · Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:43 pm

SL1200MK2 wrote:
I think the term used to describe the folks who believe this stuff is “cognitively vulnerable”. And, they really do enjoy being taken for a ride.

It satisfies an "itch" or "craving" It's no different than the crackhead pillow guy with his constant "Proof is coming in 3 days!" shtick. The 3 days pass and it's "I was wrong, I meant 13 days" and the MAGA mouth breathers go "Yup yup yup" I'm not sure why it's so hard and wrong to call MAGA people what they truly are, dimwitted.

victrola · Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:43 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
casinterest wrote:

THis case, we have the video of the intruder breaking in.

Can you provide a link?

Caution. It might be a fake link put out by the diabolical Hilary Clinton to lead you to the staged version of the incident. If I were you, I would wait until someone reliable like Alex Jones verifies it.

NIKV69 · Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:48 pm

victrola wrote:

Caution. It might be a fake link put out by the diabolical Hilary Clinton to lead you to the staged version of the incident. If I were you, I would wait until someone reliable like Alex Jones verifies it.

I don't listen to Alex Jones, I just like to see things instead of taking people's word for it. Remember if we took a certain DA's word,3 Duke students would have spent 25r years in jail for something they didn't do.

Avatar2go · Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:51 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:

Can you provide a link?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paul-pelos ... ty-camera/
The break-in at the San Francisco home of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her husband, Paul Pelosi, was captured by security cameras outside the house that were installed by the U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) and that send live video feeds to its command center in Washington, D.C. But Capitol Police only learned of the break-in after an officer in the command center saw a police cruiser in the couple's driveway and alerted superiors, according to two sources familiar with the investigation.

So we don't have anything then, just Capital police telling us they had cameras capturing the whole thing but nobody was watching. I will wait for the video evidence both from these alleged cameras at the house and the police body cams.

Here are further details of the events of the Pelosi attack. The assailant woke Pelosi, who contacted police briefly after asking to use the bathroom. When police arrived, the assailant walked Pelosi to the door, with both men having their hands on the hammer. When police ordered them both to drop the hammer, Pelosi complied and the assailant immediately struck him in the head with the hammer, in front of police.

The assailant claimed he was on a suicide mission and has cooperated with authorities in interviews. He has explained he wanted to have a chat with Nancy as third in line to the presidency. He wanted to break her kneecaps with the hammer.

Note there has been no allegation by the assailant that he was there for any other reason than to assault the Pelosi's. That conspiracy theory solely originated with, and is perpetrated by, the Maga Republicans.

The Capitol police had camera surveillance of the front of the house, and saw the police car in the driveway. It's not clear if they have video of the break-in, but the house has security cameras so it's likely there will be video.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/02/politics ... index.html

casinterest · Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:08 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:

Can you provide a link?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paul-pelos ... ty-camera/
The break-in at the San Francisco home of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her husband, Paul Pelosi, was captured by security cameras outside the house that were installed by the U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) and that send live video feeds to its command center in Washington, D.C. But Capitol Police only learned of the break-in after an officer in the command center saw a police cruiser in the couple's driveway and alerted superiors, according to two sources familiar with the investigation.

So we don't have anything then, just Capital police telling us they had cameras capturing the whole thing but nobody was watching. I will wait for the video evidence both from these alleged cameras at the house and the police body cams.

So no Back the blue?
Just conspiracy theories and cruel jokes from Kari Lake and JD Vance?

STT757 · Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:12 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
victrola wrote:

Caution. It might be a fake link put out by the diabolical Hilary Clinton to lead you to the staged version of the incident. If I were you, I would wait until someone reliable like Alex Jones verifies it.

I don't listen to Alex Jones, I just like to see things instead of taking people's word for it. Remember if we took a certain DA's word,3 Duke students would have spent 25r years in jail for something they didn't do.

There were three separate, unrelated parties that witnessed the Pelosi assault. There's the assailant who admitted to it, the police who witnessed it and Pelosi himself who experienced the assault.

Yet there's a comparison to a he said she said assault from Duke? What about ism is so prevasive that conservatives think they "win" every news cycle that casts a negative light on their culture by just throwing a bunch of totally unrelated what aboutisms out there and they "win".

Aesma · Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:14 pm

Redd wrote:
Avatar2go wrote:
Redd wrote:
Well, you have to forgive the rational and thinking brains out there for not quite being ready to swallow another "MAGA" attack. Weren't you one of those screaming the same things when Jesse Smolett as 'attacked by MAGA extremists"

No clue what you are referring to, I have never posted about Jesse Smollett here. Nor do I support what he did. His lie was similar to those being put forward by the listed MAGA's in the Pelosi case.

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I'll tell you what I'm talking about then, if it's so hard to decipher. Smollett, Sandman, Rittenhouse, etc (now potentially Pelosi). Lies on top of lies, to try to make anyone who doesn't agree with the crazy leftists look like some mythical MAGA, extremist. That's the media

Clear?

I'm not sure why you think including Rittenhouse in that list is a good idea. A teen crossed into another state, armed with what in most countries is a weapon of war, to kill people. He did kill people, and got away with it because 'MURICA. There is no conspiracy alleged from the left, just an obvious failure of the US civilization.

Avatar2go · Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:28 pm

STT757 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
victrola wrote:

Caution. It might be a fake link put out by the diabolical Hilary Clinton to lead you to the staged version of the incident. If I were you, I would wait until someone reliable like Alex Jones verifies it.

I don't listen to Alex Jones, I just like to see things instead of taking people's word for it. Remember if we took a certain DA's word,3 Duke students would have spent 25r years in jail for something they didn't do.

There were three separate, unrelated parties that witnessed the Pelosi assault. There's the assailant who admitted to it, the police who witnessed it and Pelosi himself who experienced the assault.

Yet there's a comparison to a he said she said assault from Duke? What about ism is so prevasive that conservatives think they "win" every news cycle that casts a negative light on their culture by just throwing a bunch of totally unrelated what aboutisms out there and they "win".

False equivalencies are their bread & butter. It's what you need to do if the facts don't support your position.

Aaron747 · Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:57 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
victrola wrote:

Caution. It might be a fake link put out by the diabolical Hilary Clinton to lead you to the staged version of the incident. If I were you, I would wait until someone reliable like Alex Jones verifies it.

I don't listen to Alex Jones, I just like to see things instead of taking people's word for it. Remember if we took a certain DA's word,3 Duke students would have spent 25r years in jail for something they didn't do.

What’s your opinion on this then?

https://whowhatwhy.org/politics/governm ... escape-us/

Avatar2go · Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:11 am

Biden gave an address today about the election, and the need to support democracy, reject the election denials, and the deniers.

He connected the lie of the stolen election, to the continued violence which is all driven by that lie.

Also tried to warn off the narrative that counting beyond election day represents fraud, anticipating the challenges that will come.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?524007-1/ ... -elections

NIKV69 · Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:02 am

Avatar2go wrote:
Biden gave an address today about the election, and the need to support democracy, reject the election denials, and the deniers.

He connected the lie of the stolen election, to the continued violence which is all driven by that lie.

Also tried to warn off the narrative that counting beyond election day represents fraud, anticipating the challenges that will come.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?524007-1/ ... -elections

We will see some real election denying next week that is for sure but it won't be from the GOP. Not sure why you have to count after election day unless it's a lawful recount, unless of course you want to change the result.

Aaron747 · Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:42 am

NIKV69 wrote:
Avatar2go wrote:
Biden gave an address today about the election, and the need to support democracy, reject the election denials, and the deniers.

He connected the lie of the stolen election, to the continued violence which is all driven by that lie.

Also tried to warn off the narrative that counting beyond election day represents fraud, anticipating the challenges that will come.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?524007-1/ ... -elections

We will see some real election denying next week that is for sure but it won't be from the GOP. Not sure why you have to count after election day unless it's a lawful recount, unless of course you want to change the result.

Um, because in many jurisdictions the law requires absentee and mail counting from election day, not prior. Wow. ‘Unless you want to change the result...’ Just, wow. Like let’s just pretend the entire system of professionals that protects election integrity doesn’t exist...stunning.

This is exactly why disinformation is so dangerously successful.

johns624 · Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:47 am

It's amazing that there could be such a widespread conspiracy, yet no one has spilled the beans. But then, I suppose if they can keep the pedophile ring in the pizzeria basement under wraps, anything is possible! :rotfl:

NIKV69 · Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:59 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Um, because in many jurisdictions the law requires absentee and mail counting from election day, not prior. Wow. ‘Unless you want to change the result...’ Just, wow. Like let’s just pretend the entire system of professionals that protects election integrity doesn’t exist...stunning.

This is exactly why disinformation is so dangerously successful.

Fine, start counting them 9am on election day, shouldn't take days that is just ridiculous. There is no reason not to have the vote in by midnight of election day unless you don't want the result of course. Need more poll workers? Then get them. You want people to believe in the integrity of the vote you can't have it go on for days.

BlindMarshall · Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:41 am

You understand that sharing conspiracy theories is how they are spread right? Debunking them doesn't matter, that's not how the internet works.

Kent350787 · Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:42 am

NIKV69 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Um, because in many jurisdictions the law requires absentee and mail counting from election day, not prior. Wow. ‘Unless you want to change the result...’ Just, wow. Like let’s just pretend the entire system of professionals that protects election integrity doesn’t exist...stunning.

This is exactly why disinformation is so dangerously successful.

Fine, start counting them 9am on election day, shouldn't take days that is just ridiculous. There is no reason not to have the vote in by midnight of election day unless you don't want the result of course. Need more poll workers? Then get them. You want people to believe in the integrity of the vote you can't have it go on for days.

At times it does seem that the US system is woefully under resourced.

Here in Australia there is high trust in the electora system. Counting starts once the polls close for in person, absentee and postal votes. Everyone here recognises that votes not cast in person on polling day may take longer to count. Senate results often take several days past polling to be finalised.

Distrust in the US system appears to have been fomented over the last couple of terms.

NIKV69 · Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:00 am

Kent350787 wrote:
Counting starts once the polls close for in person, absentee and postal votes. Everyone here recognises that votes not cast in person on polling day may take longer to count. Senate results often take several days past polling to be finalised.

Distrust in the US system appears to have been fomented over the last couple of terms.

Fine at least put the ballot in the machine once in person voting has started. It shouldn't take days to count an election.

Aaron747 · Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:22 am

NIKV69 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
Counting starts once the polls close for in person, absentee and postal votes. Everyone here recognises that votes not cast in person on polling day may take longer to count. Senate results often take several days past polling to be finalised.

Distrust in the US system appears to have been fomented over the last couple of terms.

Fine at least put the ballot in the machine once in person voting has started. It shouldn't take days to count an election.

Spoken by someone who has not worked with strict standards or controls. If you care about making sure absentee and other votes are valid, it takes a bit longer.

Avatar2go · Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:46 am

NIKV69 wrote:

Fine at least put the ballot in the machine once in person voting has started. It shouldn't take days to count an election.

Somewhat amusing that you are making the exact arguments Biden was countering, and that have been debunked for the last two years.

But you have at have proven that Biden is right, those arguments will be attempted again, by the same people. Unless of course they win the election.

As we saw in 2020, only the losses were affected by the alleged widespread fraud, the wins were perfectly legitimate, even though the exact same procedures applied. Truly amazing occurrence, that.

The thing is that even if the counting began before election day, you would shout to the rafters that the counts were used to alter the results. The fraud claims would be made anyway, since they don't have to be based on any fact or evidence.

The only election accepted by a MAGA, without allegation of fraud, is one they win. That's basically where we are now.

flyguy89 · Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:47 am

I’m so over the downright nastiness, nihilism, and cynicism today’s politics seems to bring out in people. Celebrating political violence like this, particularly by those on the far right, shouldn’t be as mainstream as it has become. But then it’s tough to say if it’s truly become more mainstream or just the internet and social media making crazy ideas seem more ubiquitous compared to before when it was easier to ignore the cranks.

Avatar2go · Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:58 am

flyguy89 wrote:
I’m so over the downright nastiness, nihilism, and cynicism today’s politics seems to bring out in people. Celebrating political violence like this, particularly by those on the far right, shouldn’t be as mainstream as it has become. But then it’s tough to say if it’s truly become more mainstream or just the internet and social media making crazy ideas seem more ubiquitous compared to before when it was easier to ignore the cranks.

There will always be crazies, on both sides. But as Biden said tonight, when you add in the lies and conspiracy theories, that motivates them to act.

As I mentioned earlier, the people who put forth the lies, understand they are lies. We've seen that from numerous people under oath, or in pleading the Fifth.

But the crazies don't understand that, they believe the lies are true, and act accordingly. So if you remove the lies and the theories, you don't have the extremes of violence that have typified the right since Trump started the stolen election lie.

VolvoBus · Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:29 am

Aaron747 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
victrola wrote:

Caution. It might be a fake link put out by the diabolical Hilary Clinton to lead you to the staged version of the incident. If I were you, I would wait until someone reliable like Alex Jones verifies it.

I don't listen to Alex Jones, I just like to see things instead of taking people's word for it. Remember if we took a certain DA's word,3 Duke students would have spent 25r years in jail for something they didn't do.

What’s your opinion on this then?

https://whowhatwhy.org/politics/governm ... escape-us/

Surprising what a US$ 2 bn investment in a hedge fund will buy.

casinterest · Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:30 am

And now Kari Lake is running away. Just read the whole articlle to understand what kind of recycled excrement Kari is putting forth.
https://thehill.com/homenews/3716646-ka ... e-editing/

Kent350787 · Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:45 am

NIKV69 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
Counting starts once the polls close for in person, absentee and postal votes. Everyone here recognises that votes not cast in person on polling day may take longer to count. Senate results often take several days past polling to be finalised.

Distrust in the US system appears to have been fomented over the last couple of terms.

Fine at least put the ballot in the machine once in person voting has started. It shouldn't take days to count an election.

It sounds like a resourcing issue. Again in Australia, but over 90% of the electorate votes in each election, polling booths are readily available especially across 9-6 on polling day (I once had to wait 20 minutes in a peak period), and the outcome of all but a handfull of House of Reps seats is known on election night. This is with hand counting of paper ballots, even for postal and absentee votes.

As I said, the Senate counting takes longer - the down ballot results often take 4-5 days after election day.

But back to the topic, in the US it has been one side alleging election fraud before the fact and in the absence of evidence. It is little wonder that peopl who accept that position, whether sane or not, are driven to violent or intimatory action.

Kiwirob · Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:22 am

Redd wrote:
Avatar2go wrote:
Redd wrote:

Well, you have to forgive the rational and thinking brains out there for not quite being ready to swallow another "MAGA" attack. Weren't you one of those screaming the same things when Jesse Smolett as 'attacked by MAGA extremists"

No clue what you are referring to, I have never posted about Jesse Smollett here. Nor do I support what he did. His lie was similar to those being put forward by the listed MAGA's in the Pelosi case.

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I'll tell you what I'm talking about then, if it's so hard to decipher. Smollett, Sandman, Rittenhouse, etc (now potentially Pelosi). Lies on top of lies, to try to make anyone who doesn't agree with the crazy leftists look like some mythical MAGA, extremist. That's the media

Clear?

In any other western country Rittenhouse would be sitting in prison today, but in the US he's a celebrity and held up as a champion by people on the right.

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