bhill wrote:

Virtual737 wrote:

leader1 wrote:

What liberties have you lost the last two years? Just curious, but do you think we’re living in some dictatorship?

He's no longer able to have an abortion.

Not quite...HE can have all the Viagara and condoms he wants, but SHE cannot have ANYTHING!

bennett123 wrote:

ACDC8 wrote:

Kent350787 wrote:

The only high level certainty seems to be confirming De Santis as front runner for GoP 2024 nomination.

Trump doesn't like that:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63563862

IMO somebody thinks he is Tony Soprano.

StarAC17 wrote:

DIRECTFLT wrote:

Beto went for the trifecta of losses....this time for the Governorship. Glad he could divert all of that money to his campaigns...

Don't run in Texas saying that you are going to regulate guns.

Aaron747 wrote:

Oh speaking of Trump, how did he spend Election Day? Spreading election fraud misinformation and breaking through the misinformation filters on social media through influencers and his followers:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/0 ... s-00065977

Cannot.go.soon.enough

NIKV69 wrote:

The Press Sec tipper her hand when she said the races won't be decided for days. So this will probably be a total circus since all of the Dem candidates have been told not to concede on election night. Remember the election denying began with Bush and Trump by the Dems not the other way around. Mail in voting is terrible and is making elections harder than they have to be.

Aaron747 wrote:

AZ elections expert was just on CNN explaining the Maricopa count takes a long time to process because they mandated a five-person election board to observe signature verifications. So like, duh, if people want these things to be checked perfectly (and that's what the whiners and auditors were on about all last year), that will take time.

dampfnudel wrote:

The biggest surprise for me from last night was DeSantis winning Miami-Dade. Anyone who thought Florida was starting to turn purple may have been premature.

NIKV69 wrote:

More reason to deep six mail in voting. It's terrible.

Aaron747 wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

More reason to deep six mail in voting. It's terrible.

Terrible for people who can’t wait a few days. Great for busy people and others who might be temporarily out of state for various reasons.

Without a mandated election holiday, it’s a necessary compromise.

Aaron747 wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

More reason to deep six mail in voting. It's terrible.

Terrible for people who can’t wait a few days. Great for busy people and others who might be temporarily out of state for various reasons.

Without a mandated election holiday, it’s a necessary compromise.

NIKV69 wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

More reason to deep six mail in voting. It's terrible.

Terrible for people who can’t wait a few days. Great for busy people and others who might be temporarily out of state for various reasons.

Without a mandated election holiday, it’s a necessary compromise.

Out of state temporarily get an absentee ballot and we should have our elections on Sunday mandated election federal and state holiday

Aaron747 wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

Terrible for people who can’t wait a few days. Great for busy people and others who might be temporarily out of state for various reasons.

Without a mandated election holiday, it’s a necessary compromise.

Out of state temporarily get an absentee ballot and we should have our elections on Sunday mandated election federal and state holiday

Absentee and mail-in ballots are procedurally the same on the reception end, but whatevs.

But yes, a mandated Sunday holiday would be far better than what we’re doing now.

leader1 wrote:

apodino wrote:

But the big winners on the night are DeSantis, the FL GOP, and actually the NY GOP even though Zeldin lost. The big losers are Trump, Sean Patrick Maloney, the MAGA movement, and retreaded Democrats (Beto, Stacey Abrams, and Charlie Crist)

Finally, if you want to blame someone, blame NY state senate leader Andrea Stewart-Cousins. She botched the redistricting by getting too greedy, got sued, which resulted in a Cuomo-appointed judge forcing fairer redistricting. Oddly enough, she was one of the key figures in Cuomo’s ouster, so it’s ironic he indirectly got his revenge. Furthermore, her failed bail reform policy, leading to an increase in crime, drove many suburban NYC voters to the GOP. Her outright refusal to even consider making changes to it just showcases her incompetence and hubris even though a Dem mayor begged her to scrap it and warned it would cause them problems. She needs to go or else the Dems are in trouble in two years.

NIKV69 wrote:

Newsom is too far left to win a general he will carry CA and NY but struggle in OH, FL and the other states he needs. Even though the Dems had a better night than expected their party is still being dragged too far left by the progressives and that is an issue they have to solve to win the white house.

Avatar2go wrote:

Frisch and Boebert are in a dead heat in Colorado. Frisch has a tiny lead but there is sure to be a recount, either way.

NIKV69 wrote:

Hey we forgot about Marijuana. Still don't get how it's not legal country wide.

https://time.com/6231201/marijuana-lega ... ions-2022/

leader1 wrote:

And Zeldin was an awful candidate. He wasn’t electable in NY and not because he’s Republican, but because he wasn’t likable. He came across as angry and he couldn’t commit to abortion rights, which scared off a lot of women. He was also too close to Trump and his congressional voting record was abysmal for NY, especially his district which has been negatively affected by the SALT deduction cap. I couldn’t in good conscience vote for him because of that and his closeness to Trump, but I didn’t vote for Hochul either.

zakuivcustom wrote:

leader1 wrote:

And Zeldin was an awful candidate. He wasn’t electable in NY and not because he’s Republican, but because he wasn’t likable. He came across as angry and he couldn’t commit to abortion rights, which scared off a lot of women. He was also too close to Trump and his congressional voting record was abysmal for NY, especially his district which has been negatively affected by the SALT deduction cap. I couldn’t in good conscience vote for him because of that and his closeness to Trump, but I didn’t vote for Hochul either.

Well, part of Dems' strategy is to make sure the craziest extreme GOP candidates win primary and let that person scare voters away. It's working to certain extent.

zakuivcustom wrote:

As someone living in Maryland right now I certainly didn't forget . (And yes, I voted "yes" to legalization).

I personally don't smoke joint but if worse stuff like alcohol and cigarettes are legal, why is weed illegal? The smell of weed is not that much worse than cigarette anyway.

leader1 wrote:

seb146 wrote:

zakuivcustom wrote:

Well, part of Dems' strategy is to make sure the craziest extreme GOP candidates win primary and let that person scare voters away. It's working to certain extent.

What are you talking about? Democrats run on things like saving Social Security and Medicare and equality for all. Republicans run on "woke liberal mobs will take your guns" and "woke liberal mobs want to change children's genders" and taking away Social Security and Medicare and voting rights. If people do not vote for MAGAs, MAGAs only have themselves to blame. When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

Dems funded MAGAts in several states to ensure they won GOP primaries. Absolutely brilliant strategy it turned out to be. Heck, if I were them, I absolutely would have done the same thing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... primaries/

leader1 wrote:

seb146 wrote:

zakuivcustom wrote:

Well, part of Dems' strategy is to make sure the craziest extreme GOP candidates win primary and let that person scare voters away. It's working to certain extent.

What are you talking about? Democrats run on things like saving Social Security and Medicare and equality for all. Republicans run on "woke liberal mobs will take your guns" and "woke liberal mobs want to change children's genders" and taking away Social Security and Medicare and voting rights. If people do not vote for MAGAs, MAGAs only have themselves to blame. When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

Dems funded MAGAts in several states to ensure they won GOP primaries. Absolutely brilliant strategy it turned out to be. Heck, if I were them, I absolutely would have done the same thing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... primaries/

leader1 wrote:

These are the governor’s election results in NYC the last three elections. Absolutely stunning increases for the GOP for this last election. If the GOP fielded a moderate and somewhat competent candidate, there would have been more red and Hochul would have lost. Candidates matter.

https://twitter.com/SR_spatial/status/1 ... w12t76_1Fw

luckyone wrote:

leader1 wrote:

These are the governor’s election results in NYC the last three elections. Absolutely stunning increases for the GOP for this last election. If the GOP fielded a moderate and somewhat competent candidate, there would have been more red and Hochul would have lost. Candidates matter.

https://twitter.com/SR_spatial/status/1 ... w12t76_1Fw

It’s not all that surprising. One of the reason politics is so toxic right now is we’re seeing the parties realign. This happens every 40-50 years or so as old generations die out and economic models change. Trump was both a symptom and then subsequently a driver of that—namely that blue collar populism is very much a GOP plank where it really wasn’t in the decades prior. In particular, Trump’s trade policy is a significant departure from the policies pursued by Nixon and Reagan (remember him? Mr. Unlimited Free Trade), and really isn’t out of line with union-supported policies of liberals of yore.

casinterest wrote:

luckyone wrote:

leader1 wrote:

These are the governor’s election results in NYC the last three elections. Absolutely stunning increases for the GOP for this last election. If the GOP fielded a moderate and somewhat competent candidate, there would have been more red and Hochul would have lost. Candidates matter.

https://twitter.com/SR_spatial/status/1 ... w12t76_1Fw

It’s not all that surprising. One of the reason politics is so toxic right now is we’re seeing the parties realign. This happens every 40-50 years or so as old generations die out and economic models change. Trump was both a symptom and then subsequently a driver of that—namely that blue collar populism is very much a GOP plank where it really wasn’t in the decades prior. In particular, Trump’s trade policy is a significant departure from the policies pursued by Nixon and Reagan (remember him? Mr. Unlimited Free Trade), and really isn’t out of line with union-supported policies of liberals of yore.

If you look at that twitter feed closer, you will realize there was a 3rd or 4th candidate(too lazy to look it up rght now) running as well in 2014/2018.

Those districts may be getting more conservative, but it also depends on the candidates. Think of the Ultra orthodox Jewish communities. How many are actually going to vote for a woman?
The candidates do matter.

luckyone wrote:

Very true. For all the hemhawwing, the old school Rust Belters didn’t want to vote for a woman in 2016. The Chassidic also went hard for Trump.

StarAC17 wrote:

luckyone wrote:

Very true. For all the hemhawwing, the old school Rust Belters didn’t want to vote for a woman in 2016. The Chassidic also went hard for Trump.

Perhaps it was the woman who was running that was the problem. Her predecessor had no problem winning those votes and if he could have run for a 3rd term would have won them again. If Obama could have run against Trump he would have steamrolled him.

I initially had that thought after the 2016 election but as time as gone on I realized that Hillary Clinton was a terrible candidate, or was getting terrible advice (probably both). She was qualified and probably would have governed well, she is very admirable in how she handled congress over e-mail gate. She was a very pragmatic politician but it doesn't mean people like her.

In 2008 and 2016 she seemed entitled to win. She was very condescending to Obama in 2008 and started the culture wars against Bernie in 2016 to flip that campaign in her favour.
Her biggest sin was not focusing on the economy and calling those very mid-west voters. A basket of deplorables. Furthermore even today she doesn't really take accountability for her role in that loss.

skyservice_330 wrote:

We were told (by those on this site no less) that... a red wave was coming!...that Biden was so unpopular, that inflation was so high, that the border was in such shambles.. that the Dems would destroyed, decimated, repudiated.

And here we are.

Trump has now lost three elections in a row for the GOP and in a past life bankrupted a casino.. yes, real 'smart'. This could go down as one of the most underperformed midterm cycles by the GOP in recent history.

Oz...Palin...Boebart (potentially) won't be gracing us with their presence. Could not think of a more dislikeable group that deserves to be shown the door. Good riddance.

The GOP will need to navigate some challenges moving forward.. McCarthy, a generally weak fellow, navigating the path forward with a reduced and bruised MAGA wing. Trump and DeSantis.. who both revel in scorched earth tactics.. confronting each other. Should be deliciously entertaining.

StarAC17 wrote:

Trump needs to go and should be laughed out of the room.

Boebart will plan to start an Only Fans account now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXWQLog4B6o

McCarthy is in for a hard time from what I have listened to. John Boehner had a hard time a decade ago and the Freedom caucus has only gotten worse.
He looks like he his going to be challenged for the speakership.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/09/us/p ... r-gop.html

seb146 wrote:

zakuivcustom wrote:

leader1 wrote:

And Zeldin was an awful candidate. He wasn’t electable in NY and not because he’s Republican, but because he wasn’t likable. He came across as angry and he couldn’t commit to abortion rights, which scared off a lot of women. He was also too close to Trump and his congressional voting record was abysmal for NY, especially his district which has been negatively affected by the SALT deduction cap. I couldn’t in good conscience vote for him because of that and his closeness to Trump, but I didn’t vote for Hochul either.

Well, part of Dems' strategy is to make sure the craziest extreme GOP candidates win primary and let that person scare voters away. It's working to certain extent.

What are you talking about? Democrats run on things like saving Social Security and Medicare and equality for all. Republicans run on "woke liberal mobs will take your guns" and "woke liberal mobs want to change children's genders" and taking away Social Security and Medicare and voting rights. If people do not vote for MAGAs, MAGAs only have themselves to blame. When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

casinterest wrote:

StarAC17 wrote:

luckyone wrote:

Very true. For all the hemhawwing, the old school Rust Belters didn’t want to vote for a woman in 2016. The Chassidic also went hard for Trump.

Perhaps it was the woman who was running that was the problem. Her predecessor had no problem winning those votes and if he could have run for a 3rd term would have won them again. If Obama could have run against Trump he would have steamrolled him.

I initially had that thought after the 2016 election but as time as gone on I realized that Hillary Clinton was a terrible candidate, or was getting terrible advice (probably both). She was qualified and probably would have governed well, she is very admirable in how she handled congress over e-mail gate. She was a very pragmatic politician but it doesn't mean people like her.

In 2008 and 2016 she seemed entitled to win. She was very condescending to Obama in 2008 and started the culture wars against Bernie in 2016 to flip that campaign in her favour.
Her biggest sin was not focusing on the economy and calling those very mid-west voters. A basket of deplorables. Furthermore even today she doesn't really take accountability for her role in that loss.

To be honest though, misinformation, stereotypes and gender roles all played an issue Trump won by less than a large football stadium in three states. Hillary didn't pay enough attention to the old school biases against women, and she also didn't recognize how succeptible the midwest was to economic manipulation stories.

Hillary never should have called out the deplorables for what they were. They were and most still are deplorable, but that is for someone else to deliver the message. Not Hillary. Trump appealed to the worst in a lot of people. The abusive Narcissist that would take on anyone that the deplorables felt had hur them. And that is why they were and still are deplorable. They look to abuse and blame others instead of look to themselves for the changes they need.

flyguy89 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

StarAC17 wrote:

Perhaps it was the woman who was running that was the problem. Her predecessor had no problem winning those votes and if he could have run for a 3rd term would have won them again. If Obama could have run against Trump he would have steamrolled him.

I initially had that thought after the 2016 election but as time as gone on I realized that Hillary Clinton was a terrible candidate, or was getting terrible advice (probably both). She was qualified and probably would have governed well, she is very admirable in how she handled congress over e-mail gate. She was a very pragmatic politician but it doesn't mean people like her.

In 2008 and 2016 she seemed entitled to win. She was very condescending to Obama in 2008 and started the culture wars against Bernie in 2016 to flip that campaign in her favour.
Her biggest sin was not focusing on the economy and calling those very mid-west voters. A basket of deplorables. Furthermore even today she doesn't really take accountability for her role in that loss.

To be honest though, misinformation, stereotypes and gender roles all played an issue Trump won by less than a large football stadium in three states. Hillary didn't pay enough attention to the old school biases against women, and she also didn't recognize how succeptible the midwest was to economic manipulation stories.

Hillary never should have called out the deplorables for what they were. They were and most still are deplorable, but that is for someone else to deliver the message. Not Hillary. Trump appealed to the worst in a lot of people. The abusive Narcissist that would take on anyone that the deplorables felt had hur them. And that is why they were and still are deplorable. They look to abuse and blame others instead of look to themselves for the changes they need.

Just seems like a bit of a cop out to me to lay it all at the feet of sexism. Like I genuinely find it hard to believe that in 2016 if it were Sarah Palin at the top of the GOP ticket and Biden instead Hillary (or any other male Dem) that the MAGA types wouldn’t have gone hard over for Palin.

ER757 wrote:

However the balance in the Senate shakes out, it appears nothing will get done by Congress the next two years. GOP is almost certain to take the House so that even if the Dems hold the Senate, anything passed there gets voted down in the House. If the GOP takes the Senate, anything passing both houses gets vetoed by Biden and there aren't enough votes to over-ride it. It's a sorry state of affairs these days that there is almost zero bipartisanship anymore. When or how this changes is beyond me.

skyservice_330 wrote:

StarAC17 wrote:

Trump needs to go and should be laughed out of the room.

Boebart will plan to start an Only Fans account now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXWQLog4B6o

McCarthy is in for a hard time from what I have listened to. John Boehner had a hard time a decade ago and the Freedom caucus has only gotten worse.
He looks like he his going to be challenged for the speakership.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/09/us/p ... r-gop.html

Totally agree. But I remain inclined to believe that his ego and hubris means he won't go away gracefully or quietly. At worst, he will burn the party to the ground trying to stay relevant... at best, he is relegated to a sideshow, grifting his way from one speech to the next, emptying the pockets of those who refuse to believe they had the wool pulled over their eyes by a snake oil salesmen.

Courtesy of the Twitter machine - Lauren Boebert's chances of holding her seat are falling faster than her husband's pants at a bowling alley full of minors

ER757 wrote:

However the balance in the Senate shakes out, it appears nothing will get done by Congress the next two years. GOP is almost certain to take the House so that even if the Dems hold the Senate, anything passed there gets voted down in the House. If the GOP takes the Senate, anything passing both houses gets vetoed by Biden and there aren't enough votes to over-ride it. It's a sorry state of affairs these days that there is almost zero bipartisanship anymore. When or how this changes is beyond me.

StarAC17 wrote:

ER757 wrote:

However the balance in the Senate shakes out, it appears nothing will get done by Congress the next two years. GOP is almost certain to take the House so that even if the Dems hold the Senate, anything passed there gets voted down in the House. If the GOP takes the Senate, anything passing both houses gets vetoed by Biden and there aren't enough votes to over-ride it. It's a sorry state of affairs these days that there is almost zero bipartisanship anymore. When or how this changes is beyond me.

This is where I don't envy Kevin McCarthy. Democrats and reasonable republicans will be able to come up with bipartisan legislation that will pass the senate.

He like Boehner a decade ago will have trouble getting anything voted one because he will have to deal with the Trump Caucus. That isn't going to be fun.

ER757 wrote:

However the balance in the Senate shakes out, it appears nothing will get done by Congress the next two years. GOP is almost certain to take the House so that even if the Dems hold the Senate, anything passed there gets voted down in the House. If the GOP takes the Senate, anything passing both houses gets vetoed by Biden and there aren't enough votes to over-ride it. It's a sorry state of affairs these days that there is almost zero bipartisanship anymore. When or how this changes is beyond me.