Aaron747 wrote:

Agreed. An obviously low quality person was nearly elected at a similar vote ratio to when a n obviously low quality person was elected POTUS. That any of these races are close really speaks to the affluenza deeply affecting US political division.

You say affluenza, I’d rather use the word cancer. Not sure it’s even survivable at this point.

The runoff wasn't even that close. 51.4-48.6. The first round was 49.4-48.5. Walker effectively didn't move.

Warnoff received 1,946,117 in the first round. 1,817,465 in the runoff. -128,652
Walker received 1,908,442 in the first round. 1,719,868 in the runoff. - 188,574.

Well, Warnock won with around 51-49 margin (It was more than that...I know) to give Dem a 51-49 majority in Senate .

Walker is totally unqualified anyway - but still got this much vote just for having (R) next to his name.

zakuivcustom wrote:

Well, Warnock won with around 51-49 margin (It was more than that...I know) to give Dem a 51-49 majority in Senate .

Walker is totally unqualified anyway - but still got this much vote just for having (R) next to his name.

it really makes you question the values of those that just vote based on the party. Walker was a horrible candidate detached from Georgia, and no real policy other than Trump asked him to do it.

casinterest wrote:

zakuivcustom wrote:

Well, Warnock won with around 51-49 margin (It was more than that...I know) to give Dem a 51-49 majority in Senate .

Walker is totally unqualified anyway - but still got this much vote just for having (R) next to his name.

it really makes you question the values of those that just vote based on the party. Walker was a horrible candidate detached from Georgia, and no real policy other than Trump asked him to do it.

Exactly...
Not really living in Georgia? Check.
Being a hypocrite on abortion? Check.
Republican "family value"? Definitely a check (for repeatedly threatening his wife)
Incoherent both in speech and in policy? Check check check.

But somehow he's 100k votes away from being a Senator...

zakuivcustom wrote:

casinterest wrote:

zakuivcustom wrote:

Well, Warnock won with around 51-49 margin (It was more than that...I know) to give Dem a 51-49 majority in Senate .

Walker is totally unqualified anyway - but still got this much vote just for having (R) next to his name.

it really makes you question the values of those that just vote based on the party. Walker was a horrible candidate detached from Georgia, and no real policy other than Trump asked him to do it.

Exactly...
Not really living in Georgia? Check.
Being a hypocrite on abortion? Check.
Republican "family value"? Definitely a check (for repeatedly threatening his wife)
Incoherent both in speech and in policy? Check check check.

But somehow he's 100k votes away from being a Senator...

I'm originally from Georgia, and my family goes far back in Georgia, before Atlanta became one of the new "it" towns to the point where I barely recognize the place I grew up. One of the pieces of rhetoric when I was a kid was that "liberals and people up North think Southerners are stupid." Hershel Walker's candidacy demonstrates that Trump (from up North), thought at least a good chunk of the Republican voting base is pretty stupid, too. And the election results proved both Trump and the liberals right.

casinterest wrote:

zakuivcustom wrote:

Well, Warnock won with around 51-49 margin (It was more than that...I know) to give Dem a 51-49 majority in Senate .

Walker is totally unqualified anyway - but still got this much vote just for having (R) next to his name.

it really makes you question the values of those that just vote based on the party. Walker was a horrible candidate detached from Georgia, and no real policy other than Trump asked him to do it.

That is so laughable on it's face. Democrats for sure vote blindly for party especially people of color. But I will concede Walker was a very flawed candidate the Republicans deserved to lose that seat just for putting him out there.

stratosphere wrote:

casinterest wrote:

zakuivcustom wrote:

Well, Warnock won with around 51-49 margin (It was more than that...I know) to give Dem a 51-49 majority in Senate .

Walker is totally unqualified anyway - but still got this much vote just for having (R) next to his name.

it really makes you question the values of those that just vote based on the party. Walker was a horrible candidate detached from Georgia, and no real policy other than Trump asked him to do it.

That is so laughable on it's face. Democrats for sure vote blindly for party especially people of color. But I will concede Walker was a very flawed candidate the Republicans deserved to lose that seat just for putting him out there.

I never said democrats don't do it. I was just pointing out how bad it is to vote purely based on political party.

stratosphere wrote:

casinterest wrote:

zakuivcustom wrote:

Well, Warnock won with around 51-49 margin (It was more than that...I know) to give Dem a 51-49 majority in Senate .

Walker is totally unqualified anyway - but still got this much vote just for having (R) next to his name.

it really makes you question the values of those that just vote based on the party. Walker was a horrible candidate detached from Georgia, and no real policy other than Trump asked him to do it.

That is so laughable on it's face. Democrats for sure vote blindly for party especially people of color. But I will concede Walker was a very flawed candidate the Republicans deserved to lose that seat just for putting him out there.

Of course Dems are just as gullible.

But ultimately, if this election cycles show anything, it shown that candidate still matters. Walker, Oz...there goes two Senate seats that GOP could have take.

In the Kari Lake Arizona election lawsuit, Katie Hobbs will move to dismiss today, with Lake then responding by Saturday, with a hearing on Monday.

Similar proceedings are underway with the Mark Finchem lawsuit as well. It's widely expected that both cases will be dismissed.

At Tuesday's virtual scheduling hearing, an Arizona state Senator published the Teams link online, with 700 people then trying to join the hearing. About 360 were successful, and had to be pushed off so the attorneys could join. The court has a separate free livestream for public viewing.

Also the Lake attorneys submitted voter rolls to the court with unredacted voter personal information. The state immediately moved to seal them. Lake argued the public has a right to see them, but Judge Thompson disagreed.

https://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/re ... tion-loss/

The Republican Secretary of State of the US state of Georgia has called for the state legislature to end runoff elections from general elections in the state such as with last week's US Senate runoff election. Georgia is one of only 2 US states where runoffs are used when in a general election (except as to US President) when no candidate gets more than 50% of the vote. He brings up the cost but also the racist origins of it https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/electi ... -rcna61702

From the 2020 and 2022 general elections, we need in the USA to look at other reforms as to voting and elections, recognizing the need to balance access to all qualified voters but also to assure elections are being carried out in fair, accurate and financially responsible ways. In the controversial aftermath of the 2000 US Presidential election, Florida and other states made major reforms like ending the use of certain confusing ballot forms and tightening counting procedures. The major shift to vote by mail due to the Covid-19 pandemic and early in-person voting are very positive reforms with expanding access to voters, but has flaws that need to be corrected. Some states have tightened identification requirements that many see as restricting access to many voters but some balance could and should be put in. We also need reforms in the Presidential primary party nomination process. Democrats have decided that South Carolina, not Iowa or New Hampshire should be the first state for their party's Presidential nomination primary to have a state with a percentage of Black and other voters that is more aligned with the general population of the USA. Caucuses, as used in Iowa and Nevada are likely to disappear due to terrible flaws the 2020 ones had, replaced by formal primary elections run by those states. All states should have non-partisan boards setting state and US House districts to limit 'gerrymandering' by the dominate party in a state. As pointed out in another thread here, we also need substantial reform of our campaign finance rules to confirm with out 1st Amendment to limit the excessive influence of money in our politics and attract better quality candidates who can afford to win for offices on all levels.

Here are the motions to dismiss in Kari Lake's election lawsuit. There are two, one from Hobbs and one from the Secretary of State office, as both are named defendants.

There is the sense that the attorneys can't believe they even have to file a motion. They are riddled with the terms absurd and ridiculous.

There is speculation that Lake knows this is hopeless. But is ingratiating herself to Trump, hoping to be his running mate in 2024. She has recently visited Mar-a-Lago to discuss this with Trump. That would explain the countless references to the 2020 election in her complaint, which have no bearing on the 2022 election.

https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-cont ... miss38.pdf

https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-cont ... 96c668.pdf

https://lawandcrime.com/2022-midterms/a ... te-longer/

Kari Lake is scaling up the rhetoric against Maricopa County, saying it will be burnt to the ground. She had made other references to election officials as criminals in the last few days.

This is developing just as the lead-up to Jan 6 did. False allegations of fraud, lost court cases, and then threats and calls to overturn the election.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3 ... officials/

I just wonder, though...

The national Republican party understands the whole MAGA thing is a losing bet. They see DeSantis as their glorious savior akin to Orban or Putin. At the state and local level, however, voters and district leaders still cling to MAGA and the whole idea the election is stolen of the lost like their dear NFT leader keeps going on about. The national Republican leadership wants to have one party rule installed one way and understand how to get there nationally but, locally, they are not getting the message.

In some ways, I would like to see a case like this actually come to court. It would be compelling to see these people providing their evidence under oath. Perhaps a few people going to jail for perjury might quieten things down.

Kari Lake makes me think she’s going to throw her hat in the ring for the Republican 2024 primaries or run for the House.

luckyone wrote:

Kari Lake makes me think she’s going to throw her hat in the ring for the Republican 2024 primaries or run for the House.

Of course she is, she is taking crazy to a whole new level which will hurt her. I don't like the way the AZ voting went but she is beating a dead horse at this point and should move on.

NIKV69 wrote:

luckyone wrote:

Kari Lake makes me think she’s going to throw her hat in the ring for the Republican 2024 primaries or run for the House.

Of course she is, she is taking crazy to a whole new level which will hurt her. I don't like the way the AZ voting went but she is beating a dead horse at this point and should move on.

And that's partially why independent voters rejected crazy MAGA candidates like her - way too much of this spinning wheels in court with wild affidavits and who knows what else, all to keep the fundraising off idiots going. Total horse manure.

Interesting that neither party in New York vetted this guy

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... can-resume
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/f ... e/4003906/
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/12 ... story.html

The schools he says he attended have never heard of him, Goldman Sachs never heard of him or his department he allegedly worked for, the people he says were at the Pulse Nightclub shooting can not be found, his financial records went from 1 to 100 overnight...

seb146 wrote:

Interesting that neither party in New York vetted this guy

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... can-resume
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/f ... e/4003906/
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/12 ... story.html

The schools he says he attended have never heard of him, Goldman Sachs never heard of him or his department he allegedly worked for, the people he says were at the Pulse Nightclub shooting can not be found, his financial records went from 1 to 100 overnight...

This guy happens to be my congressman-elect and he lives in my neighborhood (or so he claims), but nobody ever saw him around other than when he was campaigning. Either way, he’s such a moron. He also ran in 2020, so both parties and the media had more than enough time to do their due diligence on him and they didn’t.

leader1 wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Interesting that neither party in New York vetted this guy

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... can-resume
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/f ... e/4003906/
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/12 ... story.html

The schools he says he attended have never heard of him, Goldman Sachs never heard of him or his department he allegedly worked for, the people he says were at the Pulse Nightclub shooting can not be found, his financial records went from 1 to 100 overnight...

This guy happens to be my congressman-elect and he lives in my neighborhood (or so he claims), but nobody ever saw him around other than when he was campaigning. Either way, he’s such a moron. He also ran in 2020, so both parties and the media had more than enough time to do their due diligence on him and they didn’t.

I am so against "both sides do it" but this time, I think it is fitting. This one time. Democrats failed on electing someone on the issues and tried running an actual campaign. They should have done to this guy what they did to Alek Skarlatos here in my district. Look how funny and happy it is talking about strangling and killing a woman during sex. Yes, Alek said that. On tape. His face. He didn't actually do that but he said it was hilarious. NY Democrats should have done their due diligence and NY Republicans should have done their due diligence.

Lake’s suit against Hobbs and the AZ SoS office will go forward to trial on 2 of the 10 counts. Judge Thomas dismissed 8 of Lake’s claims as essentially either too late, too disruptive, or not possible to adjudicate under AZ statutory rules.

https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-cont ... ewer-3.pdf

Counts II and IV refer to tabulator configuration and AZ election staff chain of custody.

The judge noted there is a difference of either fact or factual understanding in both considerations, and plaintiff will have to demonstrate evidence of willful misconduct at trial. That is a very high bar to clear, but is a fair decision if indeed there are staff whistleblower accounts backed up by anything tangible.

seb146 wrote:

leader1 wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Interesting that neither party in New York vetted this guy

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... can-resume
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/f ... e/4003906/
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/12 ... story.html

The schools he says he attended have never heard of him, Goldman Sachs never heard of him or his department he allegedly worked for, the people he says were at the Pulse Nightclub shooting can not be found, his financial records went from 1 to 100 overnight...

This guy happens to be my congressman-elect and he lives in my neighborhood (or so he claims), but nobody ever saw him around other than when he was campaigning. Either way, he’s such a moron. He also ran in 2020, so both parties and the media had more than enough time to do their due diligence on him and they didn’t.

I am so against "both sides do it" but this time, I think it is fitting. This one time. Democrats failed on electing someone on the issues and tried running an actual campaign. They should have done to this guy what they did to Alek Skarlatos here in my district. Look how funny and happy it is talking about strangling and killing a woman during sex. Yes, Alek said that. On tape. His face. He didn't actually do that but he said it was hilarious. NY Democrats should have done their due diligence and NY Republicans should have done their due diligence.

Dems ram a lousy candidate for this district. Zimmerman was awful. NY3 had specific issues we were concerned about and Zimmerman didn’t address them at all. Heck, he didn’t even go campaigning. I never saw him or any of his volunteers knocking doors, etc. He thought he had it in the bag. Now Zimmerman is claiming he had information on Santos and he gave it to the media, but I don’t buy it. They absolutely would have reported it, especially the Newsday. I read that his campaign spent $22,000 on opposition research. The fact that they didn’t find this information, which is fairly easy to locate, is just laughable. NY Dems absolutely fucked up here. Ran a terrible candidate, ran an even worse campaign and did ZERO vetting of on opponent who had been a candidate two years earlier. They were gifted Santos as an opponent and they still lost. Heads need to roll.

As for the GOP, they didn’t vet at all, but is that a surprise? I mean, look at the candidates they’ve run. Trump, Boebert, Crawford, Masters, Greene and now Santos. They have no standards and definitely no shame. But they don’t care.

As an aside, the NY Post, which endorsed Santos, has mentioned this at all, but it’s plastered all over the news here. I guess the non-story of Hunter’s laptop is a priority for this garbage publication.

Kari Lake is presenting 3 expert witnesses in her Arizona governor race election trial.

1. Heather Honey, who worked for Cyber Ninjas in the 2020 election audit, testified she has an e-mail from an election worker, that 50 ballots were dropped off at Maricopa County counting facilities, outside the chain of custody. She claims this throws suspicion on the entire election.

2. Clay Parikh, who was a speaker at Mike Lindell's infamous Cyber Security Conference, testified that ballot images were printed at 19" size on 20" paper, causing the registration marks to not align, and be rejected by the tabulation machines. He claims this is evidence of intentional tampering. In response, Maricopa county officials pointed out that the "shrink to fit" option had been selected on some printers, and that the remedy was to photocopy the ballots with compensatory zoom setting, to restore the 20 inch size. Parikh admitted those ballots were properly tabulated.

3. Rich Baris, social media influencer and self proclaimed "People's Pundit", will testify that he conducted an exit poll of 813 Maricopa County voters, and from that, projected between 16,000 and 29,000 voters had been unable to vote on election day. Previous polls conducted by Baris have been discounted based on poor methodology.

This is surely headed for a denial, but is somewhat entertaining in the meantime.

https://news.yahoo.com/kari-lake-expert ... 35740.html

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion ... 749538007/

So based on 50 ballots the whole election is in doubt?.

bennett123 wrote:

So based on 50 ballots the whole election is in doubt?.

It's all baloney, but as the judge said, she deserves her day in court. The only negative consequence is the right wing sites trumpeting the trial as evidence of validity and righteousness. But such is the cost of justice.

Avatar2go wrote:

bennett123 wrote:

So based on 50 ballots the whole election is in doubt?.

It's all baloney, but as the judge said, she deserves her day in court. The only negative consequence is the right wing sites trumpeting the trial as evidence of validity and righteousness. But such is the cost of justice.

I saw a couple of clips of the hearing, and it seems Kari Lake's attorney attended the same law school as Alex Jones'. You remember, the guy who sent the entire contents of Jones' mobile phone to the Sandy Hook parents' attorney. This clown apparently tried to introduce one of his star witnesses , and the Maricopa County attorney has objected, when the clip starts, on the grounds that he is not listed to be a witness. The judge agrees that he is not on the court's list, and ,eventually, Lake's attorney finds him on his list in his laptop. At this point, one of the County attorney's assistance sweetly advises the court that they have an e-mail telling them that this person will not be called as a witness.

How is it that, in so many of these cases, the Republican party cannot seem to find competent lawyers ?

VolvoBus wrote:

How is it that, in so many of these cases, the Republican party cannot seem to find competent lawyers ?

Kari Lake's attorney has a divorce practice in Arizona. But he was hired by Cyber Ninjas for the 2020 election audit, and is a true believer. That's pretty much the pool of talent they have left now.

VolvoBus wrote:

Avatar2go wrote:

bennett123 wrote:

So based on 50 ballots the whole election is in doubt?.

It's all baloney, but as the judge said, she deserves her day in court. The only negative consequence is the right wing sites trumpeting the trial as evidence of validity and righteousness. But such is the cost of justice.

I saw a couple of clips of the hearing, and it seems Kari Lake's attorney attended the same law school as Alex Jones'. You remember, the guy who sent the entire contents of Jones' mobile phone to the Sandy Hook parents' attorney. This clown apparently tried to introduce one of his star witnesses , and the Maricopa County attorney has objected, when the clip starts, on the grounds that he is not listed to be a witness. The judge agrees that he is not on the court's list, and ,eventually, Lake's attorney finds him on his list in his laptop. At this point, one of the County attorney's assistance sweetly advises the court that they have an e-mail telling them that this person will not be called as a witness.

How is it that, in so many of these cases, the Republican party cannot seem to find competent lawyers ?

I believe the competent ones wouldn’t touch these cases from the GOP side with a barge pole. All that’s left are the clowns and Rudy Giuliani.

scbriml wrote:

VolvoBus wrote:

Avatar2go wrote:

It's all baloney, but as the judge said, she deserves her day in court. The only negative consequence is the right wing sites trumpeting the trial as evidence of validity and righteousness. But such is the cost of justice.

I saw a couple of clips of the hearing, and it seems Kari Lake's attorney attended the same law school as Alex Jones'. You remember, the guy who sent the entire contents of Jones' mobile phone to the Sandy Hook parents' attorney. This clown apparently tried to introduce one of his star witnesses , and the Maricopa County attorney has objected, when the clip starts, on the grounds that he is not listed to be a witness. The judge agrees that he is not on the court's list, and ,eventually, Lake's attorney finds him on his list in his laptop. At this point, one of the County attorney's assistance sweetly advises the court that they have an e-mail telling them that this person will not be called as a witness.

How is it that, in so many of these cases, the Republican party cannot seem to find competent lawyers ?

I believe the competent ones wouldn’t touch these cases from the GOP side with a barge pole. All that’s left are the clowns and Rudy Giuliani.

The GOP is reaching the end of Sham cover. The lawsuits are all showing everything in full view now.

Here is an interesting article from NYT, looking into the absence of the red wave in 2022. Their polling indicates that for 70% of Republicans and Independents that voted for Democratic candidates, preservation of democracy was a major concern. They didn't like the sham politics of the extremist Republicans. That at least, is a healthy sign.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/24/us/p ... -2022.html

Both Kari Lake and Abraham Hamadeh have lost their election challenge lawsuits in Arizona. Together with Mark Finchem, all of the election lawsuits have now failed.

Judge Thompson said that Lake's unsubstantiated beliefs are not grounds for overturning an election. Maricopa County said they intend to seek sanctions against Lake's attorneys. Lake said she will appeal.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/2 ... d-00075580

Avatar2go wrote:

Both Kari Lake and Abraham Hamadeh have lost their election challenge lawsuits in Arizona. Together with Mark Finchem, all of the election lawsuits have now failed.

Judge Thompson said that Lake's unsubstantiated beliefs are not grounds for overturning an election. Maricopa County said they intend to seek sanctions against Lake's attorneys. Lake said she will appeal.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/2 ... d-00075580

Her non-platform of “we only lose because somebody cheats,” and little additional substance doesn’t seem like a sound strategy.

luckyone wrote:

Avatar2go wrote:

Both Kari Lake and Abraham Hamadeh have lost their election challenge lawsuits in Arizona. Together with Mark Finchem, all of the election lawsuits have now failed.

Judge Thompson said that Lake's unsubstantiated beliefs are not grounds for overturning an election. Maricopa County said they intend to seek sanctions against Lake's attorneys. Lake said she will appeal.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/2 ... d-00075580

Her non-platform of “we only lose because somebody cheats,” and little additional substance doesn’t seem like a sound strategy.

There is no strategy other than continuing to fund her lifestyle via asking for ‘help’ with a legal battle, like every other MAGA superstar. Idiocy

George Santos is supposed to come out (no pun intended) with his side of the story this week

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george- ... d=95718391
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-san ... -new-york/
https://www.npr.org/2022/12/19/11441434 ... n-red-wave

Any bets he will stay quiet hoping this will all blow over?

seb146 wrote:

George Santos is supposed to come out (no pun intended) with his side of the story this week

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george- ... d=95718391
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-san ... -new-york/
https://www.npr.org/2022/12/19/11441434 ... n-red-wave

Any bets he will stay quiet hoping this will all blow over?

This topic is worthy of its own thread. That’s how crazy it is.

My guess is that he’ll release a similar statement to his previous one, blaming the media, doubling down, but not necessarily denying the accusations.

He’s pretty much a lame duck at this point. Not sure how he can represent his constituents with all this hanging over his head. Living in this district, I can tell you that it won’t blow over and people won‘t forget.

Katie Hobbs and the Arizona Secretary of State have filed for sanctions against Kari Lake, to recover legal fees and any penalties the court sees fit to impose.

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/d ... 022-095403

leader1 wrote:

seb146 wrote:

George Santos is supposed to come out (no pun intended) with his side of the story this week

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george- ... d=95718391
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-san ... -new-york/
https://www.npr.org/2022/12/19/11441434 ... n-red-wave

Any bets he will stay quiet hoping this will all blow over?

This topic is worthy of its own thread. That’s how crazy it is.

My guess is that he’ll release a similar statement to his previous one, blaming the media, doubling down, but not necessarily denying the accusations.

He’s pretty much a lame duck at this point. Not sure how he can represent his constituents with all this hanging over his head. Living in this district, I can tell you that it won’t blow over and people won‘t forget.

He is part of the 2022 election, but, yes, this whole thing is so crazy.

I was wrong: he has not stayed silent. In fact, he has said it is "liberal media's" fault he lied and "so what" and "it was resume embellishment, not lying" and every excuse but taking personal responsibility.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/26/politics ... index.html
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ny-rep- ... d=95848285
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/ny-rep-elect- ... 54306.html

The most non-shocking part of the story? Republicans will not ask he resign

https://nypost.com/2022/12/27/gop-orgs- ... d-he-quit/

Republicans hold a razor thin majority in the House but would rather keep that than show strength of character.

seb146 wrote:

He is part of the 2022 election, but, yes, this whole thing is so crazy.
I was wrong: he has not stayed silent. In fact, he has said it is "liberal media's" fault he lied and "so what" and "it was resume embellishment, not lying" and every excuse but taking personal responsibility.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/26/politics ... index.html
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ny-rep- ... d=95848285
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/ny-rep-elect- ... 54306.html
The most non-shocking part of the story? Republicans will not ask he resign
https://nypost.com/2022/12/27/gop-orgs- ... d-he-quit/
Republicans hold a razor thin majority in the House but would rather keep that than show strength of character.

What are New York's rules for a recall petition?

alfa164 wrote:

seb146 wrote:

He is part of the 2022 election, but, yes, this whole thing is so crazy.
I was wrong: he has not stayed silent. In fact, he has said it is "liberal media's" fault he lied and "so what" and "it was resume embellishment, not lying" and every excuse but taking personal responsibility.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/26/politics ... index.html
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ny-rep- ... d=95848285
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/ny-rep-elect- ... 54306.html
The most non-shocking part of the story? Republicans will not ask he resign
https://nypost.com/2022/12/27/gop-orgs- ... d-he-quit/
Republicans hold a razor thin majority in the House but would rather keep that than show strength of character.

What are New York's rules for a recall petition?

No recalls here, unfortunately.

https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governing_ ... n_New_York

seb146 wrote:

leader1 wrote:

seb146 wrote:

George Santos is supposed to come out (no pun intended) with his side of the story this week

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george- ... d=95718391
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-san ... -new-york/
https://www.npr.org/2022/12/19/11441434 ... n-red-wave

Any bets he will stay quiet hoping this will all blow over?

This topic is worthy of its own thread. That’s how crazy it is.

My guess is that he’ll release a similar statement to his previous one, blaming the media, doubling down, but not necessarily denying the accusations.

He’s pretty much a lame duck at this point. Not sure how he can represent his constituents with all this hanging over his head. Living in this district, I can tell you that it won’t blow over and people won‘t forget.

He is part of the 2022 election, but, yes, this whole thing is so crazy.

I was wrong: he has not stayed silent. In fact, he has said it is "liberal media's" fault he lied and "so what" and "it was resume embellishment, not lying" and every excuse but taking personal responsibility.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/26/politics ... index.html
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ny-rep- ... d=95848285
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/ny-rep-elect- ... 54306.html

The most non-shocking part of the story? Republicans will not ask he resign

https://nypost.com/2022/12/27/gop-orgs- ... d-he-quit/

Republicans hold a razor thin majority in the House but would rather keep that than show strength of character.

Notice Santos only spoke to GOP-friendly publications like the NY Post and WABC Radio? Both tried to somewhat downplay his actions.

There is a real possibility that Santos engaged in voter fraud. He claimed to be registered to vote in Whitestone, NY, but his address is in Huntington, which is a different voting district. Can't find the article which stated that.

There are also issues with his campaign expenses.

Yeah, he's not resigning and fully intends to take his seat, but his troubles are just starting.

leader1 wrote:

seb146 wrote:

leader1 wrote:

This topic is worthy of its own thread. That’s how crazy it is.

My guess is that he’ll release a similar statement to his previous one, blaming the media, doubling down, but not necessarily denying the accusations.

He’s pretty much a lame duck at this point. Not sure how he can represent his constituents with all this hanging over his head. Living in this district, I can tell you that it won’t blow over and people won‘t forget.

He is part of the 2022 election, but, yes, this whole thing is so crazy.

I was wrong: he has not stayed silent. In fact, he has said it is "liberal media's" fault he lied and "so what" and "it was resume embellishment, not lying" and every excuse but taking personal responsibility.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/26/politics ... index.html
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ny-rep- ... d=95848285
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/ny-rep-elect- ... 54306.html

The most non-shocking part of the story? Republicans will not ask he resign

https://nypost.com/2022/12/27/gop-orgs- ... d-he-quit/

Republicans hold a razor thin majority in the House but would rather keep that than show strength of character.

Notice Santos only spoke to GOP-friendly publications like the NY Post and WABC Radio? Both tried to somewhat downplay his actions.

There is a real possibility that Santos engaged in voter fraud. He claimed to be registered to vote in Whitestone, NY, but his address is in Huntington, which is a different voting district. Can't find the article which stated that.

There are also issues with his campaign expenses.

Yeah, he's not resigning and fully intends to take his seat, but his troubles are just starting.

This one's just amazing.

He completely lied about his educational background, has a criminal record abroad, lied about all of his previous work experience, lied about owning a company and being a landlord, and implicitly, lied about where he got his money from. I'd love to know where he found nearly $1m in the span of a year.

These omissions would block him from working at Starbucks, let alone in Congress.

That he hasn't been drummed out of town is staggering. Reportedly he is pro-McCarthy, so they have a reason not to take the whip away. His vote could be the determining vote that allows McCarthy to be speaker...

NYTimes here doesn't pull any punches - they document every single lie they've managed to pick up on, and list his history of falsehoods in this excellent article from yesterday:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/26/nyre ... pe=Article

bluecrew wrote:

leader1 wrote:

seb146 wrote:

He is part of the 2022 election, but, yes, this whole thing is so crazy.

I was wrong: he has not stayed silent. In fact, he has said it is "liberal media's" fault he lied and "so what" and "it was resume embellishment, not lying" and every excuse but taking personal responsibility.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/26/politics ... index.html
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ny-rep- ... d=95848285
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/ny-rep-elect- ... 54306.html

The most non-shocking part of the story? Republicans will not ask he resign

https://nypost.com/2022/12/27/gop-orgs- ... d-he-quit/

Republicans hold a razor thin majority in the House but would rather keep that than show strength of character.

Notice Santos only spoke to GOP-friendly publications like the NY Post and WABC Radio? Both tried to somewhat downplay his actions.

There is a real possibility that Santos engaged in voter fraud. He claimed to be registered to vote in Whitestone, NY, but his address is in Huntington, which is a different voting district. Can't find the article which stated that.

There are also issues with his campaign expenses.

Yeah, he's not resigning and fully intends to take his seat, but his troubles are just starting.

This one's just amazing.

He completely lied about his educational background, has a criminal record abroad, lied about all of his previous work experience, lied about owning a company and being a landlord, and implicitly, lied about where he got his money from. I'd love to know where he found nearly $1m in the span of a year.

These omissions would block him from working at Starbucks, let alone in Congress.

That he hasn't been drummed out of town is staggering. Reportedly he is pro-McCarthy, so they have a reason not to take the whip away. His vote could be the determining vote that allows McCarthy to be speaker...

NYTimes here doesn't pull any punches - they document every single lie they've managed to pick up on, and list his history of falsehoods in this excellent article from yesterday:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/26/nyre ... pe=Article

From outside the country, am I allowed to suggest that Santos seems to be the absolute embodiment of a prominent part of the modern GOP - a lying liar who lies, prepared to say anything to get into power, and then fight to hold onto what he’s got by doubling down.

Disgusting, but seems far from alone in this.

Newark727 wrote:

How incompetent are the NY Democrats to have missed all this?

He was not a Democratic candidate, so the question SHOULD be: How did Republicans miss all this? The simple answer is: Republicans do not care.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/yes-t ... tual-funds
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/mor ... 24187.html

Kent350787 wrote:

bluecrew wrote:

leader1 wrote:

Notice Santos only spoke to GOP-friendly publications like the NY Post and WABC Radio? Both tried to somewhat downplay his actions.

There is a real possibility that Santos engaged in voter fraud. He claimed to be registered to vote in Whitestone, NY, but his address is in Huntington, which is a different voting district. Can't find the article which stated that.

There are also issues with his campaign expenses.

Yeah, he's not resigning and fully intends to take his seat, but his troubles are just starting.

This one's just amazing.

He completely lied about his educational background, has a criminal record abroad, lied about all of his previous work experience, lied about owning a company and being a landlord, and implicitly, lied about where he got his money from. I'd love to know where he found nearly $1m in the span of a year.

These omissions would block him from working at Starbucks, let alone in Congress.

That he hasn't been drummed out of town is staggering. Reportedly he is pro-McCarthy, so they have a reason not to take the whip away. His vote could be the determining vote that allows McCarthy to be speaker...

NYTimes here doesn't pull any punches - they document every single lie they've managed to pick up on, and list his history of falsehoods in this excellent article from yesterday:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/26/nyre ... pe=Article

From outside the country, am I allowed to suggest that Santos seems to be the absolute embodiment of a prominent part of the modern GOP - a lying liar who lies, prepared to say anything to get into power, and then fight to hold onto what he’s got by doubling down.

Disgusting, but seems far from alone in this.

Yes, but there are plenty of Dems who have done this. too. Julia Salazar is a prime example. She's a NY State Senator who lied about her background. She claimed to be a poor Hispanic immigrant with Jewish roots who worked odd jobs and graduated from Columbia University. Turns out this was a lie. She was born and raised in Florida to a wealthy family, her mother's a a WASP from NJ and her dad immigrated to the US from Colombia when he was a kid, so she's not fully Hispanic as she claimed. While she did attend Columbia University, she never graduated. And she's not Jewish. While not as bad as Santos, it's still pretty egregious.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... background

Difference between the two is that Salazar was discovered before she was elected. So, as bad as this was, the voters in her district knew all this information ahead of time, and they still voted her in. That's not on her anymore, but the voters. Santos' information didn't come out until after the election, so voters in his district didn't know what they would end up with. And the blame for that depends on what side you're on - GOP for not vetting their own candidate (not like they really cared anyways), the Dems for doing an absolutely terrible job of opposition research (and still refusing to accept blame for that), or the press for not doing their due diligence until after the fact. Santos was the GOP candidate for the same district in the 2020 election, so there is no excuse for anyone not discovering all this earlier.

Only ones who suffer are those in NY3, like myself.

I have actually met Santos before. He stopped by a restaurant my wife and I were dining in for a campaign stop. He actually came across as quite charming and friendly. I speak some Portuguese and since he's Brazilian, I conversed with him a bit in the language, so that was cool. Still didn't vote for him, though, but I'm not surprised he won. Now, would Santos have still won if all this information came to light before the election? I doubt it, but can't do anything about it now.

Newark727 wrote:

How incompetent are the NY Democrats to have missed all this?

Incredibly. Like you can't imagine. They're a slow-moving train wreck.

leader1 wrote:

seb146 wrote:

leader1 wrote:

This topic is worthy of its own thread. That’s how crazy it is.

My guess is that he’ll release a similar statement to his previous one, blaming the media, doubling down, but not necessarily denying the accusations.

He’s pretty much a lame duck at this point. Not sure how he can represent his constituents with all this hanging over his head. Living in this district, I can tell you that it won’t blow over and people won‘t forget.

He is part of the 2022 election, but, yes, this whole thing is so crazy.

I was wrong: he has not stayed silent. In fact, he has said it is "liberal media's" fault he lied and "so what" and "it was resume embellishment, not lying" and every excuse but taking personal responsibility.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/26/politics ... index.html
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ny-rep- ... d=95848285
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/ny-rep-elect- ... 54306.html

The most non-shocking part of the story? Republicans will not ask he resign

https://nypost.com/2022/12/27/gop-orgs- ... d-he-quit/

Republicans hold a razor thin majority in the House but would rather keep that than show strength of character.

Notice Santos only spoke to GOP-friendly publications like the NY Post and WABC Radio? Both tried to somewhat downplay his actions.

There is a real possibility that Santos engaged in voter fraud. He claimed to be registered to vote in Whitestone, NY, but his address is in Huntington, which is a different voting district. Can't find the article which stated that.

There are also issues with his campaign expenses.

Yeah, he's not resigning and fully intends to take his seat, but his troubles are just starting.

One of the hosts on SiriusXM Progress was playing clips from his non-apology interview and some of the things he said are so offensive. He is Jew-ish. Like kinda but not really, so not his fault, somehow. And he married a woman and realized he was gay because that's just how it happens. And he came out and is living out and proud instead of being a 60 year old trans woman.

I just can't right now. He needs to go but will not because McCarthy needs him. That seems to be the only reason.

seb146 wrote:

leader1 wrote:

seb146 wrote:

He is part of the 2022 election, but, yes, this whole thing is so crazy.

I was wrong: he has not stayed silent. In fact, he has said it is "liberal media's" fault he lied and "so what" and "it was resume embellishment, not lying" and every excuse but taking personal responsibility.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/26/politics ... index.html
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ny-rep- ... d=95848285
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/ny-rep-elect- ... 54306.html

The most non-shocking part of the story? Republicans will not ask he resign

https://nypost.com/2022/12/27/gop-orgs- ... d-he-quit/

Republicans hold a razor thin majority in the House but would rather keep that than show strength of character.

Notice Santos only spoke to GOP-friendly publications like the NY Post and WABC Radio? Both tried to somewhat downplay his actions.

There is a real possibility that Santos engaged in voter fraud. He claimed to be registered to vote in Whitestone, NY, but his address is in Huntington, which is a different voting district. Can't find the article which stated that.

There are also issues with his campaign expenses.

Yeah, he's not resigning and fully intends to take his seat, but his troubles are just starting.

One of the hosts on SiriusXM Progress was playing clips from his non-apology interview and some of the things he said are so offensive. He is Jew-ish. Like kinda but not really, so not his fault, somehow. And he married a woman and realized he was gay because that's just how it happens. And he came out and is living out and proud instead of being a 60 year old trans woman.

I just can't right now. He needs to go but will not because McCarthy needs him. That seems to be the only reason.

OK...so we have some breaking of the ranks...Nick LaLota, a NY GOP Congressman-elect from a neighboring district, thinks Santos should be investigated by the House Ethics Committee and law enforcement.

https://twitter.com/nicklalota/status/1 ... 89/photo/1

Santos had a train wreck of an interview with Fox’s Tulsi Gabbard. To her credit, she pushed back on Santos’s attempted deflections. Santos also tried to insinuate that his constituents were too dumb to understand the intricacies of his work in financial services vis-a-vis him working “with” Goldman Sachs.

He doesn’t seem to know his district well. NY3 is a wealthier part of the NYC metro and lots of residents there work in financial services, especially on the North Shore. They probably know a lot more about the industry than he would. Who the hell does he think he’s fooling?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/george-sa ... es&via=rss

Previously, Fox ignored Santos’ scandal. Before all this came out, they prominently featured him as a rising GOP star.

https://archive.ph/2022.12.27-234420/ht ... noring-him

In other news, the judge in the Kari Lake/Maricopa Co case denied a petition by AZ for sanctions, but agreed Lake should pay $33K in fees for retention of expert witnesses. She will continue her grift scheme for the appeal as a result.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/arizon ... mbursement