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Avatar2go wrote:Trump routinely plays the legal system. As he said in the 2016 debates and afterwards, that makes him smart. But he's increasingly outsmarting himself with poor legal strategy, and losing in court. They will tire of his shenanigans. The DoJ already has.
StarAC17 wrote:
He threatens to sue CNN on a weekly basis still.
Avatar2go wrote:StarAC17 wrote:
He threatens to sue CNN on a weekly basis still.
No longer threatening, he filed the $475M suit in October, claiming that the phrase "The Big Lie" has Nazi connotations, and impugns his reputation.
When a lie is not a lie, I guess. In 1984 parlance, untruths and doublespeak.
Kellyanne Conway was the canary in the coal mine, with "alternative facts". That was the harbinger of what was to come. That moment on TV, which I saw live, is etched indelibly in my mind. Until that moment, I was willing to give Trump some leeway, and the benefit of the doubt as President. But not since.
https://apnews.com/article/biden-lawsui ... 063250149a
Avatar2go wrote:StarAC17 wrote:
He threatens to sue CNN on a weekly basis still.
No longer threatening, he filed the $475M suit in October, claiming that the phrase "The Big Lie" has Nazi connotations, and impugns his reputation.
When a lie is not a lie, I guess. In 1984 parlance, untruths and doublespeak.
Kellyanne Conway was the canary in the coal mine, with "alternative facts". That was the harbinger of what was to come. That moment on TV, which I saw live, is etched indelibly in my mind. Until that moment, I was willing to give Trump some leeway, and the benefit of the doubt as President. But not since.
https://apnews.com/article/biden-lawsui ... 063250149a
StarAC17 wrote:Avatar2go wrote:StarAC17 wrote:
He threatens to sue CNN on a weekly basis still.
No longer threatening, he filed the $475M suit in October, claiming that the phrase "The Big Lie" has Nazi connotations, and impugns his reputation.
When a lie is not a lie, I guess. In 1984 parlance, untruths and doublespeak.
Kellyanne Conway was the canary in the coal mine, with "alternative facts". That was the harbinger of what was to come. That moment on TV, which I saw live, is etched indelibly in my mind. Until that moment, I was willing to give Trump some leeway, and the benefit of the doubt as President. But not since.
https://apnews.com/article/biden-lawsui ... 063250149a
Has the judge thrown this out yet?
Its only a matter of time.
VolvoBus wrote:
Are people like this merely incompetent, allowing Trump to tell them what the law is or trying to sabotage the cases ?
VolvoBus wrote:StarAC17 wrote:Avatar2go wrote:
No longer threatening, he filed the $475M suit in October, claiming that the phrase "The Big Lie" has Nazi connotations, and impugns his reputation.
When a lie is not a lie, I guess. In 1984 parlance, untruths and doublespeak.
Kellyanne Conway was the canary in the coal mine, with "alternative facts". That was the harbinger of what was to come. That moment on TV, which I saw live, is etched indelibly in my mind. Until that moment, I was willing to give Trump some leeway, and the benefit of the doubt as President. But not since.
https://apnews.com/article/biden-lawsui ... 063250149a
Has the judge thrown this out yet?
Its only a matter of time.
Actually, I would like to see Trump actually get a case into court. The sight of whoever he can find to represent him actually producing evidence would be a novelty. as would what CNN would find in discovery.
I am certain CNN could find lawyers better than the idiot who sent the complete contents of Alex Jones' mobile phone to the lawyer for the Sandy Hook parents.
Another prime example from the latest Appeal Court hearings on, I think, the Mar-A-Largo case. Trump's lawyer put forward an argument and claimed that 'everybody knew we would introduce this argument.' He was informed by on of the judges (chief judge of the Appeals Court) that 'everybody was NOT aware that this would be introduced,because it has never been mentioned before in YOUR pleadings, and THOSE are what we are passing judgement on.'
Are people like this merely incompetent, allowing Trump to tell them what the law is or trying to sabotage the cases ?
StarAC17 wrote:VolvoBus wrote:StarAC17 wrote:
Has the judge thrown this out yet?
Its only a matter of time.
Actually, I would like to see Trump actually get a case into court. The sight of whoever he can find to represent him actually producing evidence would be a novelty. as would what CNN would find in discovery.
I am certain CNN could find lawyers better than the idiot who sent the complete contents of Alex Jones' mobile phone to the lawyer for the Sandy Hook parents.
Another prime example from the latest Appeal Court hearings on, I think, the Mar-A-Largo case. Trump's lawyer put forward an argument and claimed that 'everybody knew we would introduce this argument.' He was informed by on of the judges (chief judge of the Appeals Court) that 'everybody was NOT aware that this would be introduced,because it has never been mentioned before in YOUR pleadings, and THOSE are what we are passing judgement on.'
Are people like this merely incompetent, allowing Trump to tell them what the law is or trying to sabotage the cases ?
Well considering televised court cases are like reality TV why not? Trump would feel at home and I bet CNN will be allowed to televise a lawsuit in which they are the defendant.
If one of Trump's lawsuits did, I hope he loses and the judge makes him pay the defense court cases and CNN counter sues for having their time wasted.
bluecrew wrote:If anyone would like to read the original suit, or get a flavor for why they're being sanctioned, this article does a pretty good job and has the entire suit attached at the bottom:
https://lawandcrime.com/lawsuit/trump-f ... -the-test/
Really wild - it's a pretty demented set of claims.
Avatar2go wrote:bluecrew wrote:If anyone would like to read the original suit, or get a flavor for why they're being sanctioned, this article does a pretty good job and has the entire suit attached at the bottom:
https://lawandcrime.com/lawsuit/trump-f ... -the-test/
Really wild - it's a pretty demented set of claims.
Judge Middlebrooks called it a personal manifesto of every perceived wrong of Trump's candidacy & Presidency, which he wove into a widespread conspiracy against him. The dismissal of the 200 page lawsuit was itself 65 pages, as it documented all the legal flaws in the suit. It's worth a read as well.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... -v-clinton
It's no wonder that such a suit would result in sanctions against the attorneys. It's just a shame that Trump himself can't be sanctioned. It's very likely that the RNC or one of his PAC's will pay all these fees and penalties.
bluecrew wrote:
I just really don't understand where he gets this inexhaustible supply of usable idiots from. You would think they would learn the lesson?
bluecrew wrote:Avatar2go wrote:bluecrew wrote:If anyone would like to read the original suit, or get a flavor for why they're being sanctioned, this article does a pretty good job and has the entire suit attached at the bottom:
https://lawandcrime.com/lawsuit/trump-f ... -the-test/
Really wild - it's a pretty demented set of claims.
Judge Middlebrooks called it a personal manifesto of every perceived wrong of Trump's candidacy & Presidency, which he wove into a widespread conspiracy against him. The dismissal of the 200 page lawsuit was itself 65 pages, as it documented all the legal flaws in the suit. It's worth a read as well.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... -v-clinton
It's no wonder that such a suit would result in sanctions against the attorneys. It's just a shame that Trump himself can't be sanctioned. It's very likely that the RNC or one of his PAC's will pay all these fees and penalties.
Yet another reason to never represent Trump. He makes his rounds to all of the different attorneys, they get arrested like Michael Cohen, possibly indicted like Evan Corcoran for lying to the FBI, ritually humiliated and sued for a billion dollars like Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani. Apologies to all the other hacks, flacks, and hangers-on that I've left out.
Everyone this man touches lights themselves on fire. Pompeo and Pence think they have a future in the party, but they're just so tied to the Trump chaos.
I just really don't understand where he gets this inexhaustible supply of usable idiots from. You would think they would learn the lesson?
GDB wrote:bluecrew wrote:Avatar2go wrote:
Judge Middlebrooks called it a personal manifesto of every perceived wrong of Trump's candidacy & Presidency, which he wove into a widespread conspiracy against him. The dismissal of the 200 page lawsuit was itself 65 pages, as it documented all the legal flaws in the suit. It's worth a read as well.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... -v-clinton
It's no wonder that such a suit would result in sanctions against the attorneys. It's just a shame that Trump himself can't be sanctioned. It's very likely that the RNC or one of his PAC's will pay all these fees and penalties.
Yet another reason to never represent Trump. He makes his rounds to all of the different attorneys, they get arrested like Michael Cohen, possibly indicted like Evan Corcoran for lying to the FBI, ritually humiliated and sued for a billion dollars like Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani. Apologies to all the other hacks, flacks, and hangers-on that I've left out.
Everyone this man touches lights themselves on fire. Pompeo and Pence think they have a future in the party, but they're just so tied to the Trump chaos.
I just really don't understand where he gets this inexhaustible supply of usable idiots from. You would think they would learn the lesson?
Speaking of Pompeo, he recently identified in his view, the most dangerous person in the world, President Xi? No. Current butcher of Ukraine Putin, leader of a nation that shows animations of how their new nuclear weapons could devastate the US, Miami being one target they showed? No.
It’s the head of the US teachers Union!
luckyone wrote:GDB wrote:bluecrew wrote:Yet another reason to never represent Trump. He makes his rounds to all of the different attorneys, they get arrested like Michael Cohen, possibly indicted like Evan Corcoran for lying to the FBI, ritually humiliated and sued for a billion dollars like Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani. Apologies to all the other hacks, flacks, and hangers-on that I've left out.
Everyone this man touches lights themselves on fire. Pompeo and Pence think they have a future in the party, but they're just so tied to the Trump chaos.
I just really don't understand where he gets this inexhaustible supply of usable idiots from. You would think they would learn the lesson?
Speaking of Pompeo, he recently identified in his view, the most dangerous person in the world, President Xi? No. Current butcher of Ukraine Putin, leader of a nation that shows animations of how their new nuclear weapons could devastate the US, Miami being one target they showed? No.
It’s the head of the US teachers Union!
I don't know that I agree with him about THE most dangerous. However, having lived through a Chicago mayoral election in which one of the candidates was supposed to be Karen Lewis, then head of the CTU (until she was diagnosed with a brain tumor), I've certainly seen how a labor union leader can disrupt an entire city for their own objectives.
luckyone wrote:GDB wrote:bluecrew wrote:Yet another reason to never represent Trump. He makes his rounds to all of the different attorneys, they get arrested like Michael Cohen, possibly indicted like Evan Corcoran for lying to the FBI, ritually humiliated and sued for a billion dollars like Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani. Apologies to all the other hacks, flacks, and hangers-on that I've left out.
Everyone this man touches lights themselves on fire. Pompeo and Pence think they have a future in the party, but they're just so tied to the Trump chaos.
I just really don't understand where he gets this inexhaustible supply of usable idiots from. You would think they would learn the lesson?
Speaking of Pompeo, he recently identified in his view, the most dangerous person in the world, President Xi? No. Current butcher of Ukraine Putin, leader of a nation that shows animations of how their new nuclear weapons could devastate the US, Miami being one target they showed? No.
It’s the head of the US teachers Union!
I don't know that I agree with him about THE most dangerous. However, having lived through a Chicago mayoral election in which one of the candidates was supposed to be Karen Lewis, then head of the CTU (until she was diagnosed with a brain tumor), I've certainly seen how a labor union leader can disrupt an entire city for their own objectives.
seb146 wrote:luckyone wrote:GDB wrote:
Speaking of Pompeo, he recently identified in his view, the most dangerous person in the world, President Xi? No. Current butcher of Ukraine Putin, leader of a nation that shows animations of how their new nuclear weapons could devastate the US, Miami being one target they showed? No.
It’s the head of the US teachers Union!
I don't know that I agree with him about THE most dangerous. However, having lived through a Chicago mayoral election in which one of the candidates was supposed to be Karen Lewis, then head of the CTU (until she was diagnosed with a brain tumor), I've certainly seen how a labor union leader can disrupt an entire city for their own objectives.
I am still not understanding what is so bad about unions. They give a voice to workers in a shop so those workers can receive a living wage, health care, retirement, vacation days, safe working environment among other things. Why is all that so horrible that we have to be against unions?
seb146 wrote:From management's POV, it should be obvious.I am still not understanding what is so bad about unions. They give a voice to workers in a shop so those workers can receive a living wage, health care, retirement, vacation days, safe working environment among other things. Why is all that so horrible that we have to be against unions?
luckyone wrote:We don't have to be against unions. We need to acknowledge that they have proven to be easily corruptible and can be used by their leaders for ulterior purposes.
luckyone wrote:seb146 wrote:luckyone wrote:I don't know that I agree with him about THE most dangerous. However, having lived through a Chicago mayoral election in which one of the candidates was supposed to be Karen Lewis, then head of the CTU (until she was diagnosed with a brain tumor), I've certainly seen how a labor union leader can disrupt an entire city for their own objectives.
I am still not understanding what is so bad about unions. They give a voice to workers in a shop so those workers can receive a living wage, health care, retirement, vacation days, safe working environment among other things. Why is all that so horrible that we have to be against unions?
We don't have to be against unions. We need to acknowledge that they have proven to be easily corruptible and can be used by their leaders for ulterior purposes.
GDB wrote:Unbelievable, I post something so obviously idiotic by an idiot from the Trump administration and it goes into a debate about a vital part of the functioning of a civilized and yes free, society!
They are not too keen on such things in Xi’s China or Putin’s Russia, notwithstanding the quiet fandom of the MAGA and their apologists for the latter.
GDB wrote:Unbelievable, I post something so obviously idiotic by an idiot from the Trump administration and it goes into a debate about a vital part of the functioning of a civilized and yes free, society!
They are not too keen on such things in Xi’s China or Putin’s Russia, notwithstanding the quiet fandom of the MAGA and their apologists for the latter.