4 College students murdered

910A · Sat Dec 17, 2022 2:51 am

seb146 wrote:
910A wrote:
Residents and students in Moscow are getting frustrated by the lack of information regarding this crime
But the police don't want to tip their hand. It is frustrating and scary but giving up all the information police have would cause more harm toward innocent people and, possibly, suspects escaping.

A department (I'm not sure which agency is now running point here, Moscow or the Idaho State Police) doesn't have to tip their hand..The usual we're still following up on tips, people of interest we would like to talk with etc etc..

LabQuest · Sat Dec 17, 2022 2:53 am

Who gave this maniac access to knives?

seb146 · Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:35 am

910A wrote:
seb146 wrote:
910A wrote:
Residents and students in Moscow are getting frustrated by the lack of information regarding this crime
But the police don't want to tip their hand. It is frustrating and scary but giving up all the information police have would cause more harm toward innocent people and, possibly, suspects escaping.

A department (I'm not sure which agency is now running point here, Moscow or the Idaho State Police) doesn't have to tip their hand..The usual we're still following up on tips, people of interest we would like to talk with etc etc..

I think it is Spokane County (Washington) assisting Idaho State Police and Latah County. They identified a white Hyundai they are interested in talking to the person driving it that night.

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/crime ... 23767371a8
https://abc7chicago.com/idaho-murders-c ... /12579960/

NIKV69 · Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:12 am

seb146 wrote:

But the police don't want to tip their hand. It is frustrating and scary but giving up all the information police have would cause more harm toward innocent people and, possibly, suspects escaping.

More so they don't want the killer to know what they know. It sucks and it seems the local police are in over their head but they have to give them some time.

seb146 wrote:
[ They identified a white Hyundai they are interested in talking to the person driving it that night.

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/crime ... 23767371a8
https://abc7chicago.com/idaho-murders-c ... /12579960/

Not sure they can ID it from that video but let us hope.

910A · Sat Dec 24, 2022 11:18 pm

These type of events brings out the crazies. Happy to see someone standing up for their reputation and rights.

TikTok psychic sued for accusing professor of killing 4 Idaho students

Ashley Guillard claims she knows who killed four University of Idaho students in a grisly crime that has shocked the country and stumped police. Her source of information? Tarot card readings.

In scores of videos posted to her TikTok account, the self-styled psychic unwinds a bizarre and baseless theory that the chair of the university’s history department orchestrated the killings after a romantic entanglement with one of the students. She shared the professor’s photograph and branded her the killer in TikTok videos that have been viewed 2.5 million times.

Now the historian at the center of Guillard’s allegations, Rebecca Scofield, has filed a defamation lawsuit against her.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... guillard-/

FLYFIRSTCLASS · Fri Dec 30, 2022 5:04 pm

An arrest has been made in the murder of the four Idaho students.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/idaho-murders ... d=95976902

Too bad Idaho does not have a death penalty, Id say "fry him". If anyone deserves the electric chair, he does!

910A · Fri Dec 30, 2022 7:29 pm

FLYFIRSTCLASS wrote:
An arrest has been made in the murder of the four Idaho students.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/idaho-murders ... d=95976902

Too bad Idaho does not have a death penalty, Id say "fry him". If anyone deserves the electric chair, he does!

Now the hard part comes, getting a conviction. Idaho does have the death penalty. https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/state-and- ... tate/idaho

NIKV69 · Fri Dec 30, 2022 7:53 pm

FLYFIRSTCLASS wrote:
An arrest has been made in the murder of the four Idaho students.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/idaho-murders ... d=95976902

Too bad Idaho does not have a death penalty, Id say "fry him". If anyone deserves the electric chair, he does!

Going to watch the Presser in an hour. I will say it seems they are confident. I think that father who has been slagging the local PD owes them an apology.

Tugger · Fri Dec 30, 2022 9:06 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
FLYFIRSTCLASS wrote:
An arrest has been made in the murder of the four Idaho students.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/idaho-murders ... d=95976902

Too bad Idaho does not have a death penalty, Id say "fry him". If anyone deserves the electric chair, he does!

Going to watch the Presser in an hour. I will say it seems they are confident. I think that father who has been slagging the local PD owes them an apology.

Everybody wants everything publicly all the time. And those affected by a crime think they especially are to be included on all things involved in a case that involves them somehow.

That is just misguided.

Heck, half the time those people are potential suspects, the other half of the time they leak or share what should not be shared, and then there is the fact... facts have not yet been determined, solidified. That leads have to be runs that affect totally innocent people that would be harmed if anything was said publicly, while also not alerting a guilty party that they are being discovered.

Good detective work is hard. And oftentimes is thankless because it does not always succeed in definitively catching or identifying the culprit(s).

What police go through to do there job is just not well acknowledged. Add in the public bias that can exist and we need to recognize how lucky we are to have the people that do the job, doing it. Not saying there aren't "bad apples" etc., but that statement right there alone is just painting with a broad brush and unfair, just added in because I feel I need to counter/acknowledge anyone who throws it out.

Anyway, this whole process of course still needs to play out and we need to see how good the detective work is/was and if there is a conviction etc. But for now:
Good work Moscow Idaho police.

Tugg

Aaron747 · Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:17 am

NIKV69 wrote:
FLYFIRSTCLASS wrote:
An arrest has been made in the murder of the four Idaho students.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/idaho-murders ... d=95976902

Too bad Idaho does not have a death penalty, Id say "fry him". If anyone deserves the electric chair, he does!

Going to watch the Presser in an hour. I will say it seems they are confident. I think that father who has been slagging the local PD owes them an apology.

Dude’s photo being shared around is creepy as hell. He has the ‘dead eyes’ seen in many serial killer ID photos.

ltbewr · Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:25 am

Did the alleged killer arrested near Strasbourg in North Eastern Pennsylvania, across the USA from where the murders occurred, have friends or family in the area that helped him hide ? If anyone helped him hide, they should face criminal prosecution too. I wonder if his car with which there was a general brand and model description had an Idaho or Washington state plate, something would be uncommon in the area where arrested and led to his arrest. I do hope there is enough evidence to convict this guy, if he was the actual murderer.

frmrCapCadet · Sat Dec 31, 2022 1:46 am

Cut a good deal of slack to family of those slain students. Their
pain is something few of us will ever face.

johns624 · Sat Dec 31, 2022 1:59 am

Am I the only one who thinks that he looks like a younger Steve Carell? Isn't Dunder Mifflin right down the road in Scranton?

NIKV69 · Sat Dec 31, 2022 3:06 am

Aaron747 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
FLYFIRSTCLASS wrote:
An arrest has been made in the murder of the four Idaho students.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/idaho-murders ... d=95976902

Too bad Idaho does not have a death penalty, Id say "fry him". If anyone deserves the electric chair, he does!

Going to watch the Presser in an hour. I will say it seems they are confident. I think that father who has been slagging the local PD owes them an apology.

Dude’s photo being shared around is creepy as hell. He has the ‘dead eyes’ seen in many serial killer ID photos.

I am getting the feeling this was a thrill killing. He better never escape custody. He will do this again.

Aaron747 · Sat Dec 31, 2022 4:31 am

NIKV69 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:

Going to watch the Presser in an hour. I will say it seems they are confident. I think that father who has been slagging the local PD owes them an apology.

Dude’s photo being shared around is creepy as hell. He has the ‘dead eyes’ seen in many serial killer ID photos.

I am getting the feeling this was a thrill killing. He better never escape custody. He will do this again.

They’ll be more careful with him than Garfield Co was with Bundy.

bennett123 · Sat Dec 31, 2022 9:44 am

Aaron747 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
FLYFIRSTCLASS wrote:
An arrest has been made in the murder of the four Idaho students.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/idaho-murders ... d=95976902

Too bad Idaho does not have a death penalty, Id say "fry him". If anyone deserves the electric chair, he does!

Going to watch the Presser in an hour. I will say it seems they are confident. I think that father who has been slagging the local PD owes them an apology.

Dude’s photo being shared around is creepy as hell. He has the ‘dead eyes’ seen in many serial killer ID photos.

Is that because they do or because witnesses expect them to?.

ltbewr · Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:35 pm

Many criticized the Moscow City, Idaho police as to their handing of this investigation but it appears they did so in a professional way, bringing in the State police, FBI to assist, careful with the release of information so had stuff not publicly known that made it easier to assure they have the right suspect. He was apparently originally from and had family in the area he was captured. He apparently still had the vehicle that was believed belonged to the suspect. Local police in PA worked with the FBI and took careful procedures to not scare away and assure they had the right suspect. Even upon his arrest, some details as to his crimes are being kept from the public for disclosure at a public trial or hearing to help convict him.

The big question is why the accused did it. Disclosure of his studies of criminology, his targets, when and where he did his crime suggests Ted Bundy was his model, that he was a 'thrill' killer. One has to wonder if before the 4 killed in Idaho and afterwards, if possibly committed other murders.

seb146 · Sat Dec 31, 2022 3:16 pm

Can we just talk for a second about Santa Clause at the press conference?

NIKV69 · Thu Jan 05, 2023 5:43 pm

Unfreakingbelievable

https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murder ... cmp=tw_fnc

Why didn't they say this in the beginning!?

dampfnudel · Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:18 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Unfreakingbelievable

https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murder ... cmp=tw_fnc

Why didn't they say this in the beginning!?

Because if you’re running a competent investigation, you stay quiet until the perpetrator is in custody, unless releasing additional information could aid in apprehending the perpetrator.

FGITD · Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:01 pm

dampfnudel wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Unfreakingbelievable

https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murder ... cmp=tw_fnc

Why didn't they say this in the beginning!?

Because if you’re running a competent investigation, you stay quiet until the perpetrator is in custody, unless releasing additional information could aid in apprehending the perpetrator.

Exactly. This info would have served absolutely no purpose to the general public. I think in the end this investigation might go down as being a perfect example of how to handle something like this.

Fact is, the public doesn’t need to be privy to any details of an investigation unless it’s a specific enough detail that it’s worth having the general public looking out for it.

The new release is horrifying though. It’s sounding like those poor kids weren’t killed while asleep as was once thought

Aesma · Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:04 pm

Criminology student who commits crimes with his own car, leaves behind his stuff with his DNA on it, what the hell ?

NIKV69 · Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:10 pm

dampfnudel wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Unfreakingbelievable

https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murder ... cmp=tw_fnc

Why didn't they say this in the beginning!?

Because if you’re running a competent investigation, you stay quiet until the perpetrator is in custody, unless releasing additional information could aid in apprehending the perpetrator.

Well fine then don't like and say they didn't hear anything or they likely slept though the murders. If you want to preserve than don't talk to the press at all and use that reason.

Tugger · Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:04 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
dampfnudel wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Unfreakingbelievable

https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murder ... cmp=tw_fnc

Why didn't they say this in the beginning!?

Because if you’re running a competent investigation, you stay quiet until the perpetrator is in custody, unless releasing additional information could aid in apprehending the perpetrator.

Well fine then don't like and say they didn't hear anything or they likely slept though the murders. If you want to preserve than don't talk to the press at all and use that reason.

Honestly, the reason they didn't mention the "D.M." witness and stated everyone was asleep and heard nothing, was to minimize the data scouring and citizen-sleuthing that would have occurred as everyone in the house was looked over and investigated by the public and other private entities. By saying what they did, the police ended any impetus for this to be done. The people in the house were of no use (and declared not suspects) so the public didn't scrutinize them further.

I do think it was right and appropriate for the police to take action to keep the surviving roommates and witness from being under the public microscope.

Tugg

910A · Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:16 pm

The suspect changing his registration from Pennsylvania to Washington after the murders, and an FBI surveillance team tracked suspect and his father on a cross-country road trip from Washington State to Pennsylvania. Then getting them stopped by the Indiana State Police to get good video of them..https://www.police1.com/investigations/ ... WpjuxHaK80

910A · Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:21 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Unfreakingbelievable

https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murder ... cmp=tw_fnc

Why didn't they say this in the beginning!?

Perhaps if you had a career in law enforcement/criminal investigations you would have a clue why they didn't leak this information. Kudos to the FBI who have the resources to conduct investigations that solve crimes that the locals don't have.

Aaron747 · Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:05 am

NIKV69 wrote:
dampfnudel wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Unfreakingbelievable

https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murder ... cmp=tw_fnc

Why didn't they say this in the beginning!?

Because if you’re running a competent investigation, you stay quiet until the perpetrator is in custody, unless releasing additional information could aid in apprehending the perpetrator.

Well fine then don't like and say they didn't hear anything or they likely slept though the murders. If you want to preserve than don't talk to the press at all and use that reason.

If PR/communications strategy is not your strong suit, it's perfectly alright not to comment on how others do it. Leave it to the professionals.

stlgph · Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:01 am

So, you're at home at 4am, you hear your roommate say "there's someone here?" you open the door, some black mysterious figure walks by and leaves and you just go back to your room go back to bed and don't bother to follow up with/about anyone else in the house for another 8 hours?

??!?!?!?!

seb146 · Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:16 pm

stlgph wrote:
So, you're at home at 4am, you hear your roommate say "there's someone here?" you open the door, some black mysterious figure walks by and leaves and you just go back to your room go back to bed and don't bother to follow up with/about anyone else in the house for another 8 hours?

??!?!?!?!

IIRC, there were a total of six people in the house that night. Two were downstairs and four upstairs. Besides, with that many people sharing a space, it might not be that unusual for one of them to have a friend over.

bennett123 · Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:52 pm

seb146 wrote:
stlgph wrote:
So, you're at home at 4am, you hear your roommate say "there's someone here?" you open the door, some black mysterious figure walks by and leaves and you just go back to your room go back to bed and don't bother to follow up with/about anyone else in the house for another 8 hours?

??!?!?!?!

IIRC, there were a total of six people in the house that night. Two were downstairs and four upstairs. Besides, with that many people sharing a space, it might not be that unusual for one of them to have a friend over.

He was not a 'black mysterious figure' it said a figure in a black mask.

I think that at 4AM, I would take an interest.

stlgph · Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:46 pm

Mysterious - as in unknown to the witness
Black - as in wearing all black clothing head to toe
Mask - yes, that, too - covering the face and mouth

....walking down the hallway and then just out the back screen door without saying anything (again, mysterious actions)....in the 4 am hour.

can't wait for Court TV to show this.

johns624 · Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:02 pm

i found it strange that the roommate was disturbed enough to lock their door but not do anything else.

910A · Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:26 pm

https://www.police1.com/investigations/ ... LeqRWI-3Zs

MOSCOW, Idaho — The white sedan cruised past the gray, three-story rental home on a dead-end street in Moscow, Idaho. Then again. And again.

It was unusual behavior in the residential, hillside neighborhood in the quiet hours before dawn. And according to a police affidavit released Thursday, surveillance videos showing the vehicle that November night were key to unraveling the gruesome mystery of who killed four University of Idaho students inside the house. With little else to go on as a panicked community demanded answers, investigators canvassed security footage from the neighborhood — including one recording of the car speeding away after the slayings — to get a sense of the killer's possible movements, the affidavit said.

Eventually, the document said, police were able to narrow down what was at first known only vaguely as a white sedan to a 2015 Hyundai Elantra registered to Bryan Kohberger, a 28-year-old doctoral student in criminology at Washington State University, just across the border in Pullman, Washington. Further investigation matched Kohberger to DNA at the crime scene, it saidOn Nov. 25, the Moscow Police Department asked regional law enforcement to look for a white Elantra. Three nights later, a WSU police officer ran a query for any white Elantras on campus.

One came back as having a Pennsylvania license plate and being registered to Kohberger. Within half an hour, another campus officer located the vehicle parked at Kohberger's apartment complex. It came back as having Washington state tags. Five days after the killings, Kohberger had switched the registration from Pennsylvania, his home state, to Washington, the affidavit said.

Amazing how a ring type porch camera played a big role in this case. More interesting information on the link. The big unknown question still is why those girls.

Kno · Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:44 pm

stlgph wrote:
So, you're at home at 4am, you hear your roommate say "there's someone here?" you open the door, some black mysterious figure walks by and leaves and you just go back to your room go back to bed and don't bother to follow up with/about anyone else in the house for another 8 hours?

??!?!?!?!

Has anything been said about the victims / survivors sobriety? Not many college kids awake at 4am are anything but hammered and/or high as a kite.

Aaron747 · Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:43 am

Kno wrote:
stlgph wrote:
So, you're at home at 4am, you hear your roommate say "there's someone here?" you open the door, some black mysterious figure walks by and leaves and you just go back to your room go back to bed and don't bother to follow up with/about anyone else in the house for another 8 hours?

??!?!?!?!

Has anything been said about the victims / survivors sobriety? Not many college kids awake at 4am are anything but hammered and/or high as a kite.

Fair point - also explains their not-great actions and reactions to a possible intruder.

Vintage · Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:57 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Kno wrote:
stlgph wrote:
So, you're at home at 4am, you hear your roommate say "there's someone here?" you open the door, some black mysterious figure walks by and leaves and you just go back to your room go back to bed and don't bother to follow up with/about anyone else in the house for another 8 hours?

??!?!?!?!

Has anything been said about the victims / survivors sobriety? Not many college kids awake at 4am are anything but hammered and/or high as a kite.

Fair point - also explains their not-great actions and reactions to a possible intruder.

The two seen in the food truck video appeared sober enough. My guess is that they tried to negotiate and keep the situation calm but lost control. They had no way to know the danger they were in.

seb146 · Tue Jan 10, 2023 6:41 pm

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/idaho-murd ... kohberger/
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/06/us/i ... ation.html

He used surgical gloves to detail his car and threw the contents away in a neighbor's trash can. He was also silent while his WSU class were discussing the murders but very chatty when discussing other murders.

SumChristianus · Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:20 am

The whole story of the crime and ints investigation seems creepily like that of the criminology student/researcher Raskolnikov in Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment

Or maybe all murders are kind of like that, and Dostoevsky just portrayed the archetype very well.

StarAC17 · Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:01 pm

bennett123 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
stlgph wrote:
So, you're at home at 4am, you hear your roommate say "there's someone here?" you open the door, some black mysterious figure walks by and leaves and you just go back to your room go back to bed and don't bother to follow up with/about anyone else in the house for another 8 hours?

??!?!?!?!

IIRC, there were a total of six people in the house that night. Two were downstairs and four upstairs. Besides, with that many people sharing a space, it might not be that unusual for one of them to have a friend over.

He was not a 'black mysterious figure' it said a figure in a black mask.

I think that at 4AM, I would take an interest.

This is no way justifies the killing in any means. Its a tragedy and it has come out that this suspect was an alleged incel. and had been ridiculed by women in the past.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/15/idaho-mur ... fbi-agent/

Seeing pictures of these women (very attractive blondes) they probably had guys over at all hours for some bedroom fun. It could have been a booty call and assumed to some kind of roleplay/fetish thing (perhaps the suspect knew that she was into BDSM or something along those lines) and the roommates were like ehh. she's getting some. If your roommate in college gets laid a lot you get desensitized to it.

If the roommates were either drunk or high or a combination of both they could have misinterpreted an actual struggle for sex. However this could explain the death of one of them and not four of them. You learn however to sleep through noise as a college student, we are all older and that is past us.

StarAC17 · Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:05 pm

Aesma wrote:
Criminology student who commits crimes with his own car, leaves behind his stuff with his DNA on it, what the hell ?

You could be the biggest expert in criminology and forensics and its still nearly impossible not to leave evidence especially if there was a struggle.

910A · Mon May 22, 2023 1:48 pm

Some movement in the case

he man suspected of stabbing four Idaho college students to death is set to be arraigned Monday, his first court appearance since shortly after he was arrested in a case that rattled a university community and commanded national attention.
Bryan Kohberger, a former criminology graduate student, was indicted by a grand jury last week on murder and burglary charges. The 28-year-old was arrested in December and taken to the Latah County Jail, where he is being held without bail. He has not yet entered a plea.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... raignment/

910A · Mon May 22, 2023 7:15 pm

910A wrote:
Some movement in the case

he man suspected of stabbing four Idaho college students to death is set to be arraigned Monday, his first court appearance since shortly after he was arrested in a case that rattled a university community and commanded national attention.
Bryan Kohberger, a former criminology graduate student, was indicted by a grand jury last week on murder and burglary charges. The 28-year-old was arrested in December and taken to the Latah County Jail, where he is being held without bail. He has not yet entered a plea.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... raignment/

Judge entered a not guilty plea for the defendant and set an October court date.

910A · Thu Jun 29, 2023 6:44 pm

Death penalty is now in play..possible firing squad..

The man accused of fatally stabbing four University of Idaho students could be executed by firing squad if he's convicted and sentenced to death – and if the state cannot obtain the drugs necessary for a lethal injection.
Latah County prosecutors will seek the death penalty for Bryan Kohberger, who is accused of killing the four students last November at an off-campus home in Moscow, according to a court document filed on Monday.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/usa-i ... NQOc0Xee-M

flipdewaf · Thu Jun 29, 2023 7:47 pm

910A wrote:
Death penalty is now in play..possible firing squad..

The man accused of fatally stabbing four University of Idaho students could be executed by firing squad if he's convicted and sentenced to death – and if the state cannot obtain the drugs necessary for a lethal injection.
Latah County prosecutors will seek the death penalty for Bryan Kohberger, who is accused of killing the four students last November at an off-campus home in Moscow, according to a court document filed on Monday.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/usa-i ... NQOc0Xee-M

Is that helpful? Poor people.

Fred

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