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Re: World Cup 2022 Football Thread

Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:07 am

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What an ending but France was much the best. Great run from Morocco. They have much to be proud of. I give the edge to France in the final. They are much more potent on offense and Argentina will have to get everyone back much more so Messi won't have numbers on his runs.


France can win without their best players. Mbappe played like shit and France still dominated. Argentina cannot win without Messi playing well. France will win. This is the exact same team that won four years ago, except they’re older (and they were really young back then) and way more experienced. This is a dynasty.


I think France are slight favourites, but unlike Morocco, Argentina has players that can score goals and France’s defence was picked apart on a fairly regular basis last night. A bit more quality up front and Morocco might have embarrassed France. Argentina will present a much sterner test.
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:18 am

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alberchico wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/AldoRossiSI/status/1603159200041177089

https://mobile.twitter.com/EdwardHobden ... 0577766400

https://mobile.twitter.com/Afroditaa198 ... 5228774402

https://mobile.twitter.com/Justice_foru ... 4182729729

Can any French posters comment on what's going on in Paris right now ? Are things this bad or is it confined to just a few small areas ?


Wonder what those hypocritical tankies who criticized the English fans have to say about this…


If they are sensible not much, a period of silence on their part would be most welcome. ‘Better to be thought a fool rather than to speak (or type) and prove it’ (After Twain).
Just shows some very outdated and stereotypical views, I don’t even follow the game really and know that other nations have a longer and more violent history of Soccer Hooligan firms than England.
Maybe with them it became prominent in the TV age, there were disasters such as Hysel but there was a lot of negligence there, with a crumbling stadium, UEFA corruption etc.

Or they spoke English so US news could cover it.
 
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Re: World Cup 2022 Football Thread

Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:43 am

scbriml wrote:
leader1 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
What an ending but France was much the best. Great run from Morocco. They have much to be proud of. I give the edge to France in the final. They are much more potent on offense and Argentina will have to get everyone back much more so Messi won't have numbers on his runs.


France can win without their best players. Mbappe played like shit and France still dominated. Argentina cannot win without Messi playing well. France will win. This is the exact same team that won four years ago, except they’re older (and they were really young back then) and way more experienced. This is a dynasty.


I think France are slight favourites, but unlike Morocco, Argentina has players that can score goals and France’s defence was picked apart on a fairly regular basis last night. A bit more quality up front and Morocco might have embarrassed France. Argentina will present a much sterner test.


My thinking too. All Morocco lacked was some finesse and sophistication in the last third and Argentina have plenty of that.
 
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Re: World Cup 2022 Football Thread

Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:43 pm

leader1 wrote:
alberchico wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/AldoRossiSI/status/1603159200041177089

https://mobile.twitter.com/EdwardHobden ... 0577766400

https://mobile.twitter.com/Afroditaa198 ... 5228774402

https://mobile.twitter.com/Justice_foru ... 4182729729

Can any French posters comment on what's going on in Paris right now ? Are things this bad or is it confined to just a few small areas ?


Wonder what those hypocritical tankies who criticized the English fans have to say about this…


They’re obviously England fans in disguise!
 
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Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:20 am

I was kinda looking forward to a Croatia/Morocco final but, oh, well. I had an Argentina jersey at one point. I bought it at a yard sale in Vancouver BC long, long ago for C$5 so I guess I am team Argentina. It was stolen out of my car also, long, long ago, but still....
 
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Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:12 am

Well you'll get to see that match, tomorrow.
 
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Re: World Cup 2022 Football Thread

Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:08 am

scbriml wrote:
leader1 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
What an ending but France was much the best. Great run from Morocco. They have much to be proud of. I give the edge to France in the final. They are much more potent on offense and Argentina will have to get everyone back much more so Messi won't have numbers on his runs.


France can win without their best players. Mbappe played like shit and France still dominated. Argentina cannot win without Messi playing well. France will win. This is the exact same team that won four years ago, except they’re older (and they were really young back then) and way more experienced. This is a dynasty.


I think France are slight favourites, but unlike Morocco, Argentina has players that can score goals and France’s defence was picked apart on a fairly regular basis last night. A bit more quality up front and Morocco might have embarrassed France. Argentina will present a much sterner test.


All around France is better but they have to execute. I will be watching Sunday.

Aesma wrote:
Well you'll get to see that match, tomorrow.


Ahh yes the Loser game. I have friends from Croatia and they were crushed they lost.
 
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Re: World Cup 2022 Football Thread

Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:11 pm

Well, that was an entertaining game with Croatia running out 2-1 winners.
 
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Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:05 pm

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Well, that was an entertaining game with Croatia running out 2-1 winners.


Still bummed they are not in the final tomorrow!
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:58 pm

The only bad thing about a World Cup is that it has to end. Anthems being sung. Messi looks amped up. Mbappe very calm. LETS GO FRANCE!!!!!!
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:46 pm

France has shocked the world!!!!!!! OMG a PK and an epic goal!!! Macron is pumped! It's on!!!!!!! Tie game!!!
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:05 pm

Argentina was really going to win deservedly, and in 3 minutes everything is to do again. Lots of adrenaline for both sides !
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:16 pm

Mbappe has to win it here. PKs favors ARG.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:37 pm

I can't handle this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:37 pm

Messi goal, French PK leads to Mbappe hat trick.

Not sure how can you fit more drama into this.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:45 pm

OMG a finals for the history books! Shame it has to go to PKs. I wish FIFA would at least change the rule in a final game that it has to play to a natural goal to win. PKs is just not right to decide this game.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:57 pm

A hard game to lose. Commiserations and congratulations
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:04 pm

A great final and only fitting IMHO that Messi finally lifts a World Cup! Hollywood would have thrown that out as a script for a film.

Imagine putting the ball in the net four times and losing!
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:04 pm

I thought France had rolled over and conceded the loss, but my goodness what a final.

Hard to be upset that Messi won his cup, and France has a lot of great takeaways. Namely that most of the squad is very young, and have 2-3 world cups ahead of them. Including a certain K. Mbappe.

Watch this space. Wouldn’t be surprised to see France back in the final next time.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:10 pm

One of the best, if not the best, WC final I’ve ever seen. Edge of the seat match, and as in all good fairy tales the right team on the day won in the end.

Congratulations Argentina, a truly deserved World Champion!
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:18 pm

B777LRF wrote:
One of the best, if not the best, WC final I’ve ever seen. Edge of the seat match, and as in all good fairy tales the right team on the day won in the end.

Congratulations Argentina, a truly deserved World Champion!


Not a Messi fan but he and his team withstood a France comeback and deserve the win.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:37 pm

It hurts that France lost, but Argentina played so well. Well done to them. So much drama in the match.

Just imagine how much we could have won by if our players had been present in the first 79 minutes. :lol:


And yes, I successfully managed to boycott until the final match, as planned. :champagne:
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:52 pm

B777LRF wrote:
One of the best, if not the best, WC final I’ve ever seen. Edge of the seat match, and as in all good fairy tales the right team on the day won in the end.

Congratulations Argentina, a truly deserved World Champion!


I’m going to go even further:

That was one of the best, if not the best ever, game of competitive sport ever played.

Truly in shock.

Lionel Messi can now be considered the greatest footballer, and one of the greatest sports stars to have existed.

What a man

What a match

What a team

What a tournament

And a very deserved runner up in France, had the shootout gone their way we’d be now talking about the first back to back winner in 60 years. Mbappe stood up for his team and his nation at age 24 and when France needed a hero he delivered. He’ll get another WC and a few Balon D’ors with that performance.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:02 pm

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Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:15 pm

For sure a very entertaining and memorable WC final. Messi proves his greatness and the greatest honor for history. France gave a good fight, but Argentina seemed to want it more. I bet there are epic parties in Argentina today/tonight. :champagne:
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:43 pm

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For sure a very entertaining and memorable WC final. Messi proves his greatness and the greatest honor for history. France gave a good fight, but Argentina seemed to want it more. I bet there are epic parties in Argentina today/tonight. :champagne:


Not much work getting done on Monday, that's for sure!
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:46 pm

Somewhat fitting for this World Cup to have a crazy dramatic final. Argentina was cruising, only for France to tie it out of nowhere in 2 minutes. Messi got the go ahead goal and it would be fitting for the match to end that way, but no, they gave up a penalty for Mbappe to complete his hat trick.

And even in the dying minutes, if Kolo Muani can finish better...he wasted two big chances at the end (although the 2nd one was also quick thinking from Emi Martinez). And if only Giroud was fit and not got subbed out at 40th minute, and scores those big goals that he's well known for...

Congrats to Messi and Argentina. Messi finally got his World Cup.

zkojq wrote:
And yes, I successfully managed to boycott until the final match, as planned. :champagne:


Same here.. I refused to watch most games and only watched the final more or less. Both teams definitely put on a show.

But either way, Qatar definitely got their wish of people basically forgetting that the WC was in Qatar with all the pre-tournament "dramas" (Some of which, yes, are exaggerated by "western media", I'll admit that) with a tournament full of thrilling matches, a fair bit of upsets (i.e. Japan winning against BOTH Germany AND Spain, Argentina actually lost their opening match to Saudis of all team), a dark horse (Morocco), and lots and lots of goals also.

Now that World Cup fever is over, Qatar can continue to enjoy glazing at those stadiums that they wasted gajillions on alongside the life of many laborers, and bring it onto USA/Canada/Mexico just to see shit group stage (Thanks, FIFA...) :). And likely no more Messi nor CR7 next time around, but Mbappe will still be here :).
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:55 pm

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bring it onto USA/Canada/Mexico just to see shit group stage (Thanks, FIFA...) :).


I heard in commentary for one of the semis that the final format of the next WC hasn't been finalised yet and that it was now more likely to have 12 groups of four, with top two and the eight best 3rd placed teams going into Ro32, then Ro16, QF, SF & final. All of which means teams that reach the final (or 3rd place play-off game) will play an extra game compared to today's format.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:47 pm

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zakuivcustom wrote:
bring it onto USA/Canada/Mexico just to see shit group stage (Thanks, FIFA...) :).

I heard in commentary for one of the semis that the final format of the next WC hasn't been finalized yet and that it was now more likely to have 12 groups of four, with top two and the eight best 3rd placed teams going into Ro32, then Ro16, QF, SF & final. All of which means teams that reach the final (or 3rd place play-off game) will play an extra game compared to today's format.


Too bad a first round couldn't be like in some USA pro sports of 'wild card' or lower ranked teams in a 'sudden death' elimination, the highest ranked teams get a bye.That would satisfy the want of more games for more revenues (and bribes to FIFA executives), include more teams from Africa and Asia, cull out the bad teams sooner so better later round matches.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:49 pm

Too bad my team lost but it was fair and an entertaining match, well done to Argentina. The champagne bottle stays in the fridge for now.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:00 pm

For a tournament that is only held every 4 years, is one of the biggest in the world, you would think the trophy would be bigger than one person's forearm.

It's a team sport, the trophy should require at least 2 people to properly handle it.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:03 pm

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Not even close to the greatest player of our time. Horribly overrated and his win is more the saves his GK made than him.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:15 pm

LittleFokker wrote:
For a tournament that is only held every 4 years, is one of the biggest in the world, you would think the trophy would be bigger than one person's forearm.

It's a team sport, the trophy should require at least 2 people to properly handle it.


It's 6Kg of gold.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:35 pm

LittleFokker wrote:
For a tournament that is only held every 4 years, is one of the biggest in the world, you would think the trophy would be bigger than one person's forearm.

It's a team sport, the trophy should require at least 2 people to properly handle it.


Size isn’t important. Nobody outside North America cares about the Stanley Cup, so they use size to make up for it. :wink2:
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:18 pm

Aesma wrote:
LittleFokker wrote:
For a tournament that is only held every 4 years, is one of the biggest in the world, you would think the trophy would be bigger than one person's forearm.

It's a team sport, the trophy should require at least 2 people to properly handle it.


It's 6Kg of gold.


That's cute. Still makes for a lousy celebration photo when I've seen participation trophies bigger than the World Cup.

When you a take a team championship photo, you want a trophy that stands out as much as any individual player. When you're posing with the trophy, size does matter.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:21 pm

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Not even close to the greatest player of our time. Horribly overrated and his win is more the saves his GK made than him.


CR7 is overrated. Messi is rated correctly.
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:34 pm

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Not even close to the greatest player of our time. Horribly overrated and his win is more the saves his GK made than him.


Overrated by whom? His career and scoring records are exemplary.

Without his two goals and a killer pass in the buildup to Argentina's other goal, Martinez wouldn't have the opportunity to make his contribution.

Overrated? :rotfl:
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:56 am

This team was steady and I guess I should have had more faith in them. So I am not going to latch on a train that left over a year ago.

Copa America winners.
UEFA-CONMEBOL Finalisima winners.
36 game unbeaten streak.
FIFA world champions.

I guess despite the fact few were totally sold on this team, the record above speaks for itself. A very quiet year of winning all the tournaments they faced.
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:00 am

ARGENTINA CAMPEÓN PAPÁ

In all seriousness, what a great match. Hats off to the French and Mbappé for their endless supply of resilience. They looked lost for large stretches at the beginning but Mbappé hit an insane level today and made it a thriller. He’s going to be the best active player in the world for quite some time if he can keep it up.

Defending Copa América AND World champions (forgot to add Finalissima too). Some great stuff.
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:09 am

Anyone catch the gesture the Argentine goalkeeper made when he was awarded the golden glove award ? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


https://mobile.twitter.com/AndyMSFW/sta ... 7809199106

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Mon Dec 19, 2022 7:05 am

Bit disappointed in France. Lots of speed and power but not much finesse. Best footballer of the team (Griezmann) invisible, even before he was substituted :-). Deserved win by Argentina in the end, thanks to Messi and the goalkeeper.
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:21 pm

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Anyone catch the gesture the Argentine goalkeeper made when he was awarded the golden glove award ? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


https://mobile.twitter.com/AndyMSFW/sta ... 7809199106

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What a jerk !
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:37 pm

sebolino wrote:
alberchico wrote:
Anyone catch the gesture the Argentine goalkeeper made when he was awarded the golden glove award ? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


https://mobile.twitter.com/AndyMSFW/sta ... 7809199106

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What a jerk !



Well, he can safely argue that he won a world cup and most of us didn't .
Don't know if he is married or not, but i think he was sending a signal to the ladies.
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:13 pm

casinterest wrote:
sebolino wrote:
alberchico wrote:
Anyone catch the gesture the Argentine goalkeeper made when he was awarded the golden glove award ? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


https://mobile.twitter.com/AndyMSFW/sta ... 7809199106

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What a jerk !



Well, he can safely argue that he won a world cup and most of us didn't .
Don't know if he is married or not, but i think he was sending a signal to the ladies.


He's married and has children, his wife came to celebrate with him shortly afterward. He was asked for an explanation and said that the French crowd was booing him so that was a response. Which, is it classy? No. But does it really matter, I don't think so but I am biased.

There was a lot of frustration in South America as to Mbappé and other Europeans trashing South American soccer/football. There was also a lot of frustration as to the double standards applied to player "classiness" by Europeans when talking about South Americans. Even people in Argentina and Brazil felt they needed to have each other's back because of it. As a result, part of the mix of emotions after the final was "take that you arrogant Europeans". I don't condone the gesture, but there is context to it, and if I am being fully honest it made me laugh a lot (along with the announcers on TV). And in Dibu's defense, he wasn't trashy in any personal interactions with the players. Despite his open annoyance with Mbappé's comments he went over to console him after the match, despite not knowing each other personally. He likes to put on a show, but he generally seems to be well liked by most players.
 
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Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:40 pm

Small consideration: the Dutch were the only ones who were not defeated, not in 90 minutes, not in 120 minutes. 8-)


Hey, need to pick the bright point for the Dutch team, don't blame me for this :lol:
 
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Tue Dec 20, 2022 11:44 am

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There was a lot of frustration in South America as to Mbappé and other Europeans trashing South American soccer/football. There was also a lot of frustration as to the double standards applied to player "classiness" by Europeans when talking about South Americans.

Do you have a link to article describing this, quoting the comment ?
Mbappe is usually very, very careful with his communication. I'm really curious to know what were his actual words you describe as trashing South American football.
 
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Tue Dec 20, 2022 1:15 pm

Grizzly410 wrote:
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argentinevol98 wrote:
There was a lot of frustration in South America as to Mbappé and other Europeans trashing South American soccer/football. There was also a lot of frustration as to the double standards applied to player "classiness" by Europeans when talking about South Americans.

Do you have a link to article describing this, quoting the comment ?
Mbappe is usually very, very careful with his communication. I'm really curious to know what were his actual words you describe as trashing South American football.


Video, in French.

https://tntsports.com.br/videos/vod_mba ... 23mp4.html

Saying mostly that South American football is less competitive than European football, that's why the latest winners had all been Europeans.

He has a point, but it was bound to stir something.

Just like Messi celebrated scoring making Riquelme's signature celebration in Van Gaal face, South Americans take their football seriously.
 
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Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:32 pm

JJJ wrote:
Grizzly410 wrote:
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argentinevol98 wrote:
There was a lot of frustration in South America as to Mbappé and other Europeans trashing South American soccer/football. There was also a lot of frustration as to the double standards applied to player "classiness" by Europeans when talking about South Americans.

Do you have a link to article describing this, quoting the comment ?
Mbappe is usually very, very careful with his communication. I'm really curious to know what were his actual words you describe as trashing South American football.


Video, in French.

https://tntsports.com.br/videos/vod_mba ... 23mp4.html

Saying mostly that South American football is less competitive than European football, that's why the latest winners had all been Europeans.

He has a point, but it was bound to stir something.

Just like Messi celebrated scoring making Riquelme's signature celebration in Van Gaal face, South Americans take their football seriously.


Uff thanks for the link, and yes, "less advanced" is definitively a clumsy wording to make his point.
I think basically the same point was made about the PSG, explaining their chokes in Champion's league because they don't have enough high level rival in the french ligue1 so are less used to support the higher pressure during knock-out phase of the CL.
Just like Argentina and Brasil it doesn't stop them to reach semi-finals or more as they don't lack talent, but it is still an additional drag they have to overcome to win the competition.

All in all it seems to me quite trivial to get tripped on, but it is easier for me as I'm not south american ! :lol:
 
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Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:52 pm

JJJ wrote:
Uff thanks for the link, and yes, "less advanced" is definitively a clumsy wording to make his point.
I think basically the same point was made about the PSG, explaining their chokes in Champion's league because they don't have enough high level rival in the french ligue1 so are less used to support the higher pressure during knock-out phase of the CL.
Just like Argentina and Brasil it doesn't stop them to reach semi-finals or more as they don't lack talent, but it is still an additional drag they have to overcome to win the competition.

All in all it seems to me quite trivial to get tripped on, but it is easier for me as I'm not south american ! :lol:


It didn't bother me nearly as much as some others, but I found it quite inaccurate and indicative that Mbappé perhaps doesn't know much about international football outside of Europe. It is accurate to say that the leagues are far less competitive, but it isn't so much to say that the national teams are. The leagues are not at European level because they can't economically compete with Europe for players (with a dash of corruption issues), but the clubs are basically irrelevant to the national teams. Very few Brazilian and Argentine national team players play outside of Europe, Mappé plays alongside the two most famous South American players as we all know. So the lower level of competition at the club level is largely irrelevant to the World Cup.

Mbappé was, of course, referring to the national teams, and that's where I think he made a mistake, perhaps born out of not watching enough South American (CONMEBOL) international football. It is true that there are fewer "top" national teams in South America than in Europe but there are also teams in Europe far far worse than the worst South American team (Venezuela, generally). In the final qualification stage France had to play Finland, Ukraine, Bosnia & Herzegovina, and Kazakhstan. Finland (or perhaps Ukraine) was the toughest opponent France faced in qualification. Finland/Ukraine are probably better than two, maybe three, CONMEBOL teams at most. To qualify, Brazil and Argentina had to play everyone else in CONMEBOL twice, including each other. That's at least 6-7 opponents more difficult than France's most difficult opponent.

The other aspect Mbappé and many Europeans seemingly aren't aware of are how challenging the road environments are. The travel is immense, South America is many times larger than Europe and the physical challenges can be staggering. European teams largely face each other in temperate conditions at near sea level. During qualification South American teams will often play in a huge variety of climates and altitudes. Bolivia is considered a "weak team" but defeating them in La Paz is enormously difficult. The stadium, for example, is at 3,580m above sea level. Playing at that altitude is insane. I've been to La Paz several times and get a head-ache just walking around. In other countries you can expect games at 40c with near 100% humidity, etc. That's why the comment comes across to me as mistaken, though it did not offend me like some others.

Argentines and Brazilians were bothered although the other South American countries were offended more for the most part. Mainly because it seems to imply that they are "weak". Trust me, every team in South America would beat teams like Kazakhstan and Bosnia and Herzegovina. Mbappé wasn't the only one to say something like this, many European pundits said the same as did other players. Thomas Meunier, for example, said that winning the Euros was better than winning the World Cup since "except Brazil, all of the best teams are [in Europe]". He said that before Belgium lost to the African nation of Morocco, of course.

Anyway, I think we can all leave this in the past now, certainly is silly to continue to get stirred up about (although I would enjoy the cup remaining in the American continent next cup as well, particularly of Argentina can win it again jaja).
 
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Re: World Cup 2022 Football Thread

Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:12 am

scbriml wrote:

I heard in commentary for one of the semis that the final format of the next WC hasn't been finalised yet and that it was now more likely to have 12 groups of four, with top two and the eight best 3rd placed teams going into Ro32, then Ro16, QF, SF & final. All of which means teams that reach the final (or 3rd place play-off game) will play an extra game compared to today's format.


I think it’s to ensure no “big” nation with a lot of viewers and revenue like Italy (or Netherlands/USA in 2018) misses the tournament. It won’t provide any more excitement in the group stage. It’ll just mean big teams are further spread out and will have to play smaller teams making up the numbers.

And the fact 3rd place teams can advance to the knockout stages is ludicrous. The last 10 World Cups have been won by teams that finished number 1 in their group. Second place teams can’t win it so bringing in 3rd place teams to the knockouts is just to build up numbers for extra games.

This is just so FIFA can make more money.
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