Yay 2nd amendment! Too bad there wasn't a good guy with a gun around. You'd think being in a Walmart, especially in Virgina, that everyone and their cousin/wife would have been armed to the tooth.

We all know the drill by now.

GOP: 'Thoughts and prayers', 'now's not the time to talk about gun control', 'don't politicize this, people have died', then sit on their asses and wait for the next one.

Rinse, repeat.

Scorpio wrote:

We all know the drill by now.

GOP: 'Thoughts and prayers', 'now's not the time to talk about gun control', 'don't politicize this, people have died', then sit on their asses and wait for the next one.

Rinse, repeat.

You forgot the gun aficionados. "The 2nd amendment is here to stay, my family was scared one time at home and if not for my pew pew we woulda been a goner" Also the time honored "Yes I do take my AR-15 and AK-47 when I hunt rabbits. They're extremely accurate hunting guns"

The classic line of let's wait and see about the evidence from the GOP is going to be popular again. Or something about the Dems defunded all the police force in the country is a good one too.
This is awful for the families especially with Thanksgiving happening this week in the U.S.

Didn't many conservatives complain about the fact that there are too many people on this planet and also in their country/city/town? At least the US tries to do something against it by making sure there is an above average mortality and a below average life expectancy. */sarcasm off

What a tragedy, particularly this close to Thanksgiving.

With regard to the 2nd, it is not going anywhere (nor should it), so that conversation is pointless.

CaptHadley wrote:

Yay 2nd amendment! Too bad there wasn't a good guy with a gun around. You'd think being in a Walmart, especially in Virgina, that everyone and their cousin/wife would have been armed to the tooth.

Almost 70% of Americans don't own a firearm.

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-tren ... ownership/

CaptHadley wrote:

Scorpio wrote:

We all know the drill by now.

GOP: 'Thoughts and prayers', 'now's not the time to talk about gun control', 'don't politicize this, people have died', then sit on their asses and wait for the next one.

Rinse, repeat.

You forgot the gun aficionados. "The 2nd amendment is here to stay, my family was scared one time at home and if not for my pew pew we woulda been a goner" Also the time honored "Yes I do take my AR-15 and AK-47 when I hunt rabbits. They're extremely accurate hunting guns"

Rabbits are dangerous critters.

LabQuest wrote:

CaptHadley wrote:

Yay 2nd amendment! Too bad there wasn't a good guy with a gun around. You'd think being in a Walmart, especially in Virgina, that everyone and their cousin/wife would have been armed to the tooth.

Almost 70% of Americans don't own a firearm.

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-tren ... ownership/

The fact that almost one out of every three people walking around owns a gun is not necessarily reassuring...
Not to mention that the US counts almost 400 million guns in civilian hands, meaning that these gun owners own on average 4 guns each.

In an country with such elevated anger levels, polarization, dubious education standards and a massive drug and mental health epidemic, there is no wonder these things happen on an almost daily basis.

Basically, no one is safe anywhere, and that's exactly the way politicians intend to keep it.

LabQuest wrote:

CaptHadley wrote:

Yay 2nd amendment! Too bad there wasn't a good guy with a gun around. You'd think being in a Walmart, especially in Virgina, that everyone and their cousin/wife would have been armed to the tooth.

Almost 70% of Americans don't own a firearm.

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-tren ... ownership/

Yet 44% of Americans have guns in their household, and I’d wager that number has only gone up since 2020 with the massive increase in first-time gun buyers that we saw after COVID and the 2020 riots.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/per ... -guns.aspx

CaptHadley wrote:

Yay 2nd amendment! Too bad there wasn't a good guy with a gun around. You'd think being in a Walmart, especially in Virgina, that everyone and their cousin/wife would have been armed to the tooth.

There's very rarely a good guy with a gun when you need one, which makes a mockery of 2A.

Kiwirob wrote:

CaptHadley wrote:

Yay 2nd amendment! Too bad there wasn't a good guy with a gun around. You'd think being in a Walmart, especially in Virgina, that everyone and their cousin/wife would have been armed to the tooth.

There's very rarely a good guy with a gun when you need one, which makes a mockery of 2A.

This sounds like a Walmart employee who targeted other employees in a breakroom. Hardly a chance for a good guy with a gun to take him out . I am also willing to bet it is against company policy for employees to bring a gun to work so there's that.

stratosphere wrote:

Kiwirob wrote:

CaptHadley wrote:

Yay 2nd amendment! Too bad there wasn't a good guy with a gun around. You'd think being in a Walmart, especially in Virgina, that everyone and their cousin/wife would have been armed to the tooth.

There's very rarely a good guy with a gun when you need one, which makes a mockery of 2A.

This sounds like a Walmart employee who targeted other employees in a breakroom. Hardly a chance for a good guy with a gun to take him out . I am also willing to bet it is against company policy for employees to bring a gun to work so there's that.

Correct.

Older video of the WalMart shooter Andre Marcus Bing

https://twitter.com/Stackeyeq/status/15 ... 1585321986

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Chesapeake_shooting

DIRECTFLT wrote:

Older video of the WalMart shooter Andre Marcus Bing

https://twitter.com/Stackeyeq/status/15 ... 1585321986

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Chesapeake_shooting

Well this thread will quickly go silent now.

LabQuest wrote:

DIRECTFLT wrote:

Older video of the WalMart shooter Andre Marcus Bing

https://twitter.com/Stackeyeq/status/15 ... 1585321986

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Chesapeake_shooting

Well this thread will quickly go silent now.

...why?

Six dead including the shooter who took his own life and 4 others injured. The store will be closed until further notice due to the investigation and cleanup. Once again in the USA a person with a social or mental health problem + a gun + a place where victims cannot easily escape = many dead. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/si ... ab663b40db

Scorpio wrote:

LabQuest wrote:

DIRECTFLT wrote:

Older video of the WalMart shooter Andre Marcus Bing

https://twitter.com/Stackeyeq/status/15 ... 1585321986

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Chesapeake_shooting

Well this thread will quickly go silent now.

...why?

Because he doesn't fit the narrative being spouted in this very thread.

Another mass shooting, how uncivilised, death penalty in about half the states, not looking good for you chaps in the long run down the road.

LabQuest wrote:

Scorpio wrote:

LabQuest wrote:

Well this thread will quickly go silent now.

...why?

Because he doesn't fit the narrative being spouted in this very thread.

And what narrative is that?

ltbewr wrote:

Once again in the USA a person with a social or mental health problem + a gun + a place where victims cannot easily escape = many dead.

I think that is very true. I also think that is what US society chooses to endure.

LabQuest wrote:

Because he doesn't fit the narrative being spouted in this very thread.

If anything, this guy is proof that anyone can snap without prior indication or warning.
He’s the best example yet of why fewer guns are a good idea.

petertenthije wrote:

LabQuest wrote:

Because he doesn't fit the narrative being spouted in this very thread.

If anything, this guy is proof that anyone can snap without prior indication or warning.
He’s the best example yet of why fewer guns are a good idea.

The phrase "fewer guns" is one of the most nebulous statements I have ever heard spoken...

Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

I wonder If the U.S. needs intervention from places like Canada and Australia to help it get under control. We need to ban most guns in the U.S.

Kiwirob wrote:

There's very rarely a good guy with a gun when you need one, which makes a mockery of 2A.

The 2A wasn't created so that crime would be guaranteed not to happen. You can do better than that.

NIKV69 wrote:

Kiwirob wrote:

There's very rarely a good guy with a gun when you need one, which makes a mockery of 2A.

The 2A wasn't created so that crime would be guaranteed not to happen. You can do better than that.

It's not really him that needs to do better. I don't believe that he lives in a country that has had around 2 mass shootings every day of this year.

Pi7472000 wrote:

I wonder If the U.S. needs intervention from places like Canada and Australia to help it get under control. We need to ban most guns in the U.S.

No thanks.

Virtual737 wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

Kiwirob wrote:

There's very rarely a good guy with a gun when you need one, which makes a mockery of 2A.

The 2A wasn't created so that crime would be guaranteed not to happen. You can do better than that.

It's not really him that needs to do better. I don't believe that he lives in a country that has had around 2 mass shootings every day of this year.

Neither do we, unless you change your definition of “mass shooting” to include urban gang violence in which several people are injured but none are killed.

LabQuest wrote:

Because he doesn't fit the narrative being spouted in this very thread.

What narrative pertaining to the shooter has been spouted in this very thread?

The only narrative I've seen in this thread is the same narrative in every other mass shooting thread in that the US has a gun problem.

The only narrative is that every country in the world has crime, every country in the world has to deal with mental health issues, every country in the world has their tragedies, but only one country in the world has mass shootings almost on the daily and is the only country that keeps looking the other way looking for excuses when it comes to gun control and restrictions while every other country has enacted some sort of gun control and for some strange reason, despite having to deal with the same issues that the US does, they don't have mass shootings on the daily.

TriJets wrote:

Pi7472000 wrote:

I wonder If the U.S. needs intervention from places like Canada and Australia to help it get under control. We need to ban most guns in the U.S.

No thanks.

Yeah, thats usually the response one gets from people who need an intervention.

Well actually the US doesn't have a monopoly in gun violence -

Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country

El Salvador — 36.78
Venezuela — 33.27
Guatemala — 29.06
Colombia — 26.36
Brazil — 21.93
Bahamas — 21.52
Honduras — 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40
Puerto Rico — 18.14
Mexico — 16.41

The US is actually 22nd on that list in deaths from firearms at 10.95 per 100k population What is strange is all the top 22 countries are in the Western Hemisphere. Whats up with that?

MohawkWeekend wrote:

Well actually the US doesn't have a monopoly in gun violence -

Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country

El Salvador — 36.78
Venezuela — 33.27
Guatemala — 29.06
Colombia — 26.36
Brazil — 21.93
Bahamas — 21.52
Honduras — 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40
Puerto Rico — 18.14
Mexico — 16.41

The US is actually 22nd on that list in deaths from firearms at 10.95 per 100k population What is strange is all the top 22 countries are in the Western Hemisphere. Whats up with that?

Which is why I said mass shootings and not gun violence. As for mass shootings:

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/us-ac ... ings-57797

Are humans inherently violent?

Human violence is in the news every day. But is violence innate in Homo sapiens?

11/20/22

https://www.livescience.com/are-people- ... ly-violent

The earliest human civilizations appeared between 3,000 and 4,000 years ago; since then, humans as a species have been entirely at peace for approximately 268 years. And as many as 1 billion people may have perished as a direct result of war, according to "What Every Person Should Know About War" (Free Press, 2003)

Violence is clearly not a modern phenomenon, but is it an inherent part of being human? Have we evolved to be aggressive? 

It turns out the answer isn't simple.

ACDC8 wrote:

TriJets wrote:

Pi7472000 wrote:

I wonder If the U.S. needs intervention from places like Canada and Australia to help it get under control. We need to ban most guns in the U.S.

No thanks.

Yeah, thats usually the response one gets from people who need an intervention.

Canada is welcome to try to "intervene" in the US. I don't think that would work out well in Canada's favor, though.

MohawkWeekend wrote:

Well actually the US doesn't have a monopoly in gun violence -

Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country

El Salvador — 36.78
Venezuela — 33.27
Guatemala — 29.06
Colombia — 26.36
Brazil — 21.93
Bahamas — 21.52
Honduras — 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40
Puerto Rico — 18.14
Mexico — 16.41

The US is actually 22nd on that list in deaths from firearms at 10.95 per 100k population What is strange is all the top 22 countries are in the Western Hemisphere. Whats up with that?

It makes you not want to go to the Caribbean.

What is interesting about this tragedy is that this seems related to working conditions. Typically random people are the targets, being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but as of tonight (Nov. 23rd) when I'm posting this, there seems to be evidence this shooter targeted his superiors at work. Specifically when tasks were being delegated for the day.

Sounds like we really need to up our security approaches, more armed guards and good guys with guns.

FLYFIRSTCLASS wrote:

Sounds like we really need to up our security approaches, more armed guards and good guys with guns.

Right!
What we need is more guns.

/s

meecrob wrote:

What is interesting about this tragedy is that this seems related to working conditions. Typically random people are the targets, being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but as of tonight (Nov. 23rd) when I'm posting this, there seems to be evidence this shooter targeted his superiors at work. Specifically when tasks were being delegated for the day.

He was the night shift supervisor from what I read.

ACDC8 wrote:

MohawkWeekend wrote:

Well actually the US doesn't have a monopoly in gun violence -

Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country

El Salvador — 36.78
Venezuela — 33.27
Guatemala — 29.06
Colombia — 26.36
Brazil — 21.93
Bahamas — 21.52
Honduras — 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40
Puerto Rico — 18.14
Mexico — 16.41

The US is actually 22nd on that list in deaths from firearms at 10.95 per 100k population What is strange is all the top 22 countries are in the Western Hemisphere. Whats up with that?

Which is why I said mass shootings and not gun violence. As for mass shootings:

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/us-ac ... ings-57797

Mind you, at 22 the US is far and away the leader in first world countries - France is the next highest at number 59.

To a reasonable person, there is nothing that justifies the level of gun violence in the US. In most of the developed world, access and culture means that gun violence is very rarely an outcome of reltively trivial matters.

FLYFIRSTCLASS wrote:

Sounds like we really need to up our security approaches, more armed guards and good guys with guns.

On the Gini scale for income inequality measurement, the US scores 49, not as bad as South Africa or Brazil but in the same neighborhood as Panama, Zimbabwe, and Guatemala.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/219 ... ouseholds/

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.GINI

Perhaps that’s why the US will need to evolve to the level of private security necessary in those countries in comparison to the likes of Canada, Australia, Germany etc. These countries all have Gini scores under 40.

FLYFIRSTCLASS wrote:

Sounds like we really need to up our security approaches, more armed guards and good guys with guns.

Right, like how you did in schools. How's that been working out?

Kent350787 wrote:

ACDC8 wrote:

MohawkWeekend wrote:

Well actually the US doesn't have a monopoly in gun violence -

Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country

El Salvador — 36.78
Venezuela — 33.27
Guatemala — 29.06
Colombia — 26.36
Brazil — 21.93
Bahamas — 21.52
Honduras — 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40
Puerto Rico — 18.14
Mexico — 16.41

The US is actually 22nd on that list in deaths from firearms at 10.95 per 100k population What is strange is all the top 22 countries are in the Western Hemisphere. Whats up with that?

Which is why I said mass shootings and not gun violence. As for mass shootings:

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/us-ac ... ings-57797

Mind you, at 22 the US is far and away the leader in first world countries - France is the next highest at number 59.

To a reasonable person, there is nothing that justifies the level of gun violence in the US. In most of the developed world, access and culture means that gun violence is very rarely an outcome of reltively trivial matters.

Precisely - and many of the countries that do better with managing inequality are not absent of the migration and multicultural assimilation issues the US deals with, so that excuse is out as well. Perhaps the scale of the US population is an added challenge, and this tracks with the UK and France being more problematic than Canada or Australia.

But it’s only logical to suggest that with a larger population, the effects of inequality and misapplication of investment in human development are magnified in the stress levels and social malaise that drive violence as a problem solving tool in US culture.

If only he'd read the signs that employees cannot bring firearms to work! I mean, that would have fixed it, right?

Right?

NIKV69 wrote:

Kiwirob wrote:

There's very rarely a good guy with a gun when you need one, which makes a mockery of 2A.

The 2A wasn't created so that crime would be guaranteed not to happen. You can do better than that.

Why do I need to do better? I'm not living in a country with a mass shooting problem.

DIRECTFLT wrote:

Are humans inherently violent?

Human violence is in the news every day. But is violence innate in Homo sapiens?

11/20/22

https://www.livescience.com/are-people- ... ly-violent

The earliest human civilizations appeared between 3,000 and 4,000 years ago; since then, humans as a species have been entirely at peace for approximately 268 years. And as many as 1 billion people may have perished as a direct result of war, according to "What Every Person Should Know About War" (Free Press, 2003)

Violence is clearly not a modern phenomenon, but is it an inherent part of being human? Have we evolved to be aggressive? 

It turns out the answer isn't simple.

Actually, the is very simple, the further you look back in time, the more of man being the 'Human-animal' increases the further you go back the more Animal than civilized man.
Our human history is not one of a rational, enlighten and thoughtful people (some cultures are the exception, China for most of it's Imperial Age were nothing near the warring Europe that would emerge some 3000+ years later) Africa and the Americas did have smaller tribal squabbles (human quest for resources or perceived treasures, territory.

Gun Power changed everything. It took warring to the next level, if Genghis Khan had that...their may have never been a Europe.

Can't say had no one had it...someone surely would have come up with it.

Regardless, it's here to stay (in America) for some time to come....but a mass shooting limit will be reached because the rising and organizing of young people lead by advocate/survivors of these shootings are increasing and as they do, so will their political strength. Politicos such Congress woman Lucy McBath (lost her son) is one of more on the way, it won't be easy...but it will happen.
Federal Intervention is most likely out of the question but ...who knows, American leadership (non-GOP) on this must stake a position before that 'number' is reached or all of them will ultimately pay at the polls.

We've been the Human-ANIMAL in the past (rape, pillaging, slavery, etc) and we've departed from that path to a measurable degree, Xi/Uyghers & Putin/Ukraine currently keeping it going.
Most Americans possess guns out fear of 'just in case someone comes at me' better known as Fear. Justified in many cases but not most.

The senseless accidental family killings (children finding loaded guns) has to reach an unexceptable limit as well...all of this has toll that will be recognized, sooner or later, preferably (wishful thinking) sooner.

But to weigh human perennial aggression, look at the lust for it, UFC fan base, is it growing or shrinking.. adoration for this kind of silliness (along with bull fighting) are the kinds of things
too many see as harmless, on the surface yes...beneath, the profiteers from it? They have the motivation to keep it going and expand it..and their fans will pay.

How does this ancient nonsense come to end?


BN747

MohawkWeekend wrote:

Well actually the US doesn't have a monopoly in gun violence -

Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country

El Salvador — 36.78
Venezuela — 33.27
Guatemala — 29.06
Colombia — 26.36
Brazil — 21.93
Bahamas — 21.52
Honduras — 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40
Puerto Rico — 18.14
Mexico — 16.41

The US is actually 22nd on that list in deaths from firearms at 10.95 per 100k population What is strange is all the top 22 countries are in the Western Hemisphere. Whats up with that?

Do you have comparable figures for gun ownership?.