So Kristen Sinema has changed to Independent and is no longer registered as a Democrat. To me it is not surprising
Wanted to post this.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/kyrsten ... d=94855733

Not much will change with Sinema even though she is not conferencing with the Dems. Importantly she is retaining her committees.

(Don't know what happened to the other Senema thread)
Tugg

So the other thread was deleted?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/bi ... en-sinema/

Not much should change, especially if Sinema wants to have a chance in 2024 in Az.

The WA Post article noted that she is not going to be able to win the Democratic nomination again, but she can be nominated as an Independent. Democrats may go along with this so long as she supports Democratic control of the senate. In such a case Democrats may not back a Democratic challenger in the nominations. My question, she seems not to have come up with a longer statement on why she votes as she does. The simplest answer is she got paid off, but I have not read anything supporting that. She really ought to write and publicize a discussion of her current political views. Democrats are pretty tolerant of those who have principled and rational reasons for not voting party line.

Well...the only surprise is that Sinema left Democrat Party before Manchin did .

If she's really backing up her word of trying to achieve goals via bipartisanship, good for her. As of right now she's basically a corporate shill and vote what her corporate overlord tell her to rather than voting how her constituent tell her to do.

She claims to follow the path of John McCain - well, McCain built his reputation over many, many years. I just went back and watched his thumbs down on repealing Obamacare...still what a moment.

frmrCapCadet wrote:

The WA Post article noted that she is not going to be able to win the Democratic nomination again, but she can be nominated as an Independent. Democrats may go along with this so long as she supports Democratic control of the senate. In such a case Democrats may not back a Democratic challenger in the nominations. My question, she seems not to have come up with a longer statement on why she votes as she does. The simplest answer is she got paid off, but I have not read anything supporting that. She really ought to write and publicize a discussion of her current political views. Democrats are pretty tolerant of those who have principled and rational reasons for not voting party line.

Not vote the party line? She’s only at 97%!

https://projects.propublica.org/represe ... ten-sinema

I like how there is this effort by people who say that Sinema is “an extremist.” (Hint, it is the left 20% and right 20%). Notice how that is projection. By extremists.

That’s the problem. Sinema is not the problem.

LCDFlight wrote:

I like how there is this effort by people who say that Sinema is “an extremist.” (Hint, it is the left 20% and right 20%). Notice how that is projection. By extremists.

That’s the problem. Sinema is not the problem.

Absolutely, moderates are not wanted in the DNC. You can see how her and Manchin have been treated. I wouldn't be surprised if Manchin does the same thing.

NIKV69 wrote:

LCDFlight wrote:

I like how there is this effort by people who say that Sinema is “an extremist.” (Hint, it is the left 20% and right 20%). Notice how that is projection. By extremists.

That’s the problem. Sinema is not the problem.

Absolutely, moderates are not wanted in the DNC. You can see how her and Manchin have been treated. I wouldn't be surprised if Manchin does the same thing.

But honestly where are moderates wanted? I don't see them wanted by either major party, so kinda pot calling the kettle black.

Tugg

NIKV69 wrote:

LCDFlight wrote:

I like how there is this effort by people who say that Sinema is “an extremist.” (Hint, it is the left 20% and right 20%). Notice how that is projection. By extremists.

That’s the problem. Sinema is not the problem.

Absolutely, moderates are not wanted in the DNC. You can see how her and Manchin have been treated. I wouldn't be surprised if Manchin does the same thing.

The GOP doesn't want them, either. Remember John Kasich, the moderate who was forever being denigrated as a RINO? Your party chose Chump over him in 2016.

zakuivcustom wrote:

Well...the only surprise is that Sinema left Democrat Party before Manchin did

No one belongs to "democrat party" unless you can prove there is a legitimate political party in the United States called that.

Tugger wrote:

But honestly where are moderates wanted?

Tugg

By the majority of the electorate.

NIKV69 wrote:

Tugger wrote:

But honestly where are moderates wanted?

Tugg

By the majority of the electorate.

OK, I can agree with that. Certainly for me that is true. But which party? Neither so far as I can tell, so calling out the one you don't like as not being inclusive their moderate base is just disingenuous and hypocritical.

I wish there were actual Rino and Dino parties (with of course a Rhinoceros and Dinosaur as mascots).

Tugg

Tugger wrote:

OK, I can agree with that. Certainly for me that is true. But which party? Neither so far as I can tell, so calling out the one you don't like as not being inclusive their moderate base is just disingenuous and hypocritical.

I wish there were actual Rino and Dino parties (with of course a Rhinoceros and Dinosaur as mascots).

Tugg

We only need a third party not a 4th as well though your mascots are pretty cool.

Who is Sinema's audience? She seems laser focused on the Megyn Kelly career path where she's hated by everyone.

MaverickM11 wrote:

Who is Sinema's audience? She seems laser focused on the Megyn Kelly career path where she's hated by everyone.

Green then Democrat then Independent, where next?.

bennett123 wrote:

MaverickM11 wrote:

Who is Sinema's audience? She seems laser focused on the Megyn Kelly career path where she's hated by everyone.

Green then Democrat then Independent, where next?.

Whatever Tulsi is doing?

Tugger wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

Tugger wrote:

But honestly where are moderates wanted?

Tugg

By the majority of the electorate.

OK, I can agree with that. Certainly for me that is true. But which party? Neither so far as I can tell, so calling out the one you don't like as not being inclusive their moderate base is just disingenuous and hypocritical.

I wish there were actual Rino and Dino parties (with of course a Rhinoceros and Dinosaur as mascots).

Tugg

I love this idea! Rino vs dino would really lower the temperature as well

MaverickM11 wrote:

Who is Sinema's audience? She seems laser focused on the Megyn Kelly career path where she's hated by everyone.

Got this in one.

She'd get trounced in a Democratic primary, so she's trying to play a Lisa Murkowski without RCV. She'll get stomped and lose hilariously, but if she runs independent for reelection, she'll probably dilute the Democratic vote enough to make it structurally impossible to win, unless they run another Mark Kelly.

It would be easier if she just resigned to go focus on her media or wine career. She's a clown. She'll probably reliably bilk a comfortable living out of speaking gigs, and we'll still be hearing about her in 2040. Yuck.

bluecrew wrote:

MaverickM11 wrote:

Who is Sinema's audience? She seems laser focused on the Megyn Kelly career path where she's hated by everyone.

Got this in one.

She'd get trounced in a Democratic primary, so she's trying to play a Lisa Murkowski without RCV. She'll get stomped and lose hilariously, but if she runs independent for reelection, she'll probably dilute the Democratic vote enough to make it structurally impossible to win, unless they run another Mark Kelly.

It would be easier if she just resigned to go focus on her media or wine career. She's a clown. She'll probably reliably bilk a comfortable living out of speaking gigs, and we'll still be hearing about her in 2040. Yuck.

I thinking K Street working with lobbyists for the drug companies at seven figures.

bluecrew wrote:

MaverickM11 wrote:

Who is Sinema's audience? She seems laser focused on the Megyn Kelly career path where she's hated by everyone.

Got this in one.

She'd get trounced in a Democratic primary, so she's trying to play a Lisa Murkowski without RCV. She'll get stomped and lose hilariously, but if she runs independent for reelection, she'll probably dilute the Democratic vote enough to make it structurally impossible to win, unless they run another Mark Kelly.

It would be easier if she just resigned to go focus on her media or wine career. She's a clown. She'll probably reliably bilk a comfortable living out of speaking gigs, and we'll still be hearing about her in 2040. Yuck.

Someone suggested the Arizona Democratic Committee will run a Democrat and not back Sinema while Republicans will run an election denier MAGA and Sinema will be shut out.

seb146 wrote:

Someone suggested the Arizona Democratic Committee will run a Democrat and not back Sinema while Republicans will run an election denier MAGA and Sinema will be shut out.

She is definitely persona non grata in the ADC now. This will be interesting.

NIKV69 wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Someone suggested the Arizona Democratic Committee will run a Democrat and not back Sinema while Republicans will run an election denier MAGA and Sinema will be shut out.

She is definitely persona non grata in the ADC now. This will be interesting.

At the end of the day , it will be an interesting test case of whether and Independent run can be viable in this world of extreme right and extreme left.

Can't wait for 2024.

seb146 wrote:

bluecrew wrote:

MaverickM11 wrote:

Who is Sinema's audience? She seems laser focused on the Megyn Kelly career path where she's hated by everyone.

Got this in one.

She'd get trounced in a Democratic primary, so she's trying to play a Lisa Murkowski without RCV. She'll get stomped and lose hilariously, but if she runs independent for reelection, she'll probably dilute the Democratic vote enough to make it structurally impossible to win, unless they run another Mark Kelly.

It would be easier if she just resigned to go focus on her media or wine career. She's a clown. She'll probably reliably bilk a comfortable living out of speaking gigs, and we'll still be hearing about her in 2040. Yuck.

Someone suggested the Arizona Democratic Committee will run a Democrat and not back Sinema while Republicans will run an election denier MAGA and Sinema will be shut out.

She can stand as an independent, and siphon off 5-10% of Arizonans without a brain who think her equivocation and lack of convictions are a good fit for their values.

19% favorable rating, -57% skew among likely Democratic primary voters - yeah, stellar candidate. Hopefully she can just fade away... if she puts up a fight that 5-10% could sink a Dem candidate.

She's no independent, that's for sure. This is a move to angle for a better committee chair or assignment. A power play, and a transparent one too.

casinterest wrote:

At the end of the day , it will be an interesting test case of whether and Independent run can be viable in this world of extreme right and extreme left.

Can't wait for 2024.

Hard to predict how the political climate will be in just under two years but I am curious to see how this plays out. I actually don't think she can win a 3 way race.

NIKV69 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

At the end of the day , it will be an interesting test case of whether and Independent run can be viable in this world of extreme right and extreme left.

Can't wait for 2024.

Hard to predict how the political climate will be in just under two years but I am curious to see how this plays out. I actually don't think she can win a 3 way race.

Which is sad because 3-way races give voters more options, and in a perfect world, the least awful candidate would win. Another argument for ranked choice systems.

Sen. Kyrsten Sinema has filed a statement of candidacy with the Federal Election Commission to run for the U.S. Senate again in 2024. Got to keep one's options open.
If the Republicans in Arizona nominate another Blake Masters or Martha McSally it would shape up as a interesting race if Sinema stays in and not go the K Street route. Working on the immigration bill with Senator Tillis which would have given the "Dreamers" permanent status will sure help her with the Latino vote.

910A wrote:

Sen. Kyrsten Sinema has filed a statement of candidacy with the Federal Election Commission to run for the U.S. Senate again in 2024. Got to keep one's options open.
If the Republicans in Arizona nominate another Blake Masters or Martha McSally it would shape up as a interesting race if Sinema stays in and not go the K Street route. Working on the immigration bill with Senator Tillis which would have given the "Dreamers" permanent status will sure help her with the Latino vote.

If Masters and McSally couldn't win last time they don't have much chance in 24' Sinema should be ok.

Democrats better put up a challenger under the democratic name in 2024. A real one.

Sinema changing labels is like Hitler leaving the nazi party. It doesn’t make him any less of a genocidal criminal than it makes Sinema any less of a puppet for big pharmaceutical.

Cheaper drugs were cut because of that crook. This WILL kill people.

Being independent simply means “other”, and that other can mean so many different things, so many diverse beliefs, and certainly not just in the middle of the two parties, but even farther left than the democrats, or farther right than the republicans…. Or more corrupt than either or.

Research your candidates. Voting by name recognition is an awful way to vote. Know what you’re voting for so you aren’t disappointed later.

CarlosSi wrote:

Democrats better put up a challenger under the democratic name in 2024. A real one.

Sinema changing labels is like Hitler leaving the nazi party. It doesn’t make him any less of a genocidal criminal than it makes Sinema any less of a puppet for big pharmaceutical.

Comparing her to Hitler? Isn't that a little over the top?

johns624 wrote:

CarlosSi wrote:

Democrats better put up a challenger under the democratic name in 2024. A real one.

Sinema changing labels is like Hitler leaving the nazi party. It doesn’t make him any less of a genocidal criminal than it makes Sinema any less of a puppet for big pharmaceutical.

Comparing her to Hitler? Isn't that a little over the top?

It is, but I didn’t actually do that.

The focus was on one changing labels doesn’t make one’s actions or reputation any different.

Sinema is still bought-up by big money. Labeling oneself independent is a cop-out in her case so she can play the “I have a different opinion we can agree to disagree with” card. Well I can see past that, and I hope many/most see it that way too.