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NIKV69 wrote:Newark727 wrote:Nothing says "I'm serious about this problem" like dumping it on somebody else's doorstep, after all.
Why should Texas have to bear the brunt of illegal immigration? Let everyone share in helping these “asylum seekers”
NIKV69 wrote:
Why should Texas have to bear the brunt of illegal immigration? Let everyone share in helping these “asylum seekers”
NIKV69 wrote:Newark727 wrote:Nothing says "I'm serious about this problem" like dumping it on somebody else's doorstep, after all.
Why should Texas have to bear the brunt of illegal immigration? Let everyone share in helping these “asylum seekers”
stratosphere wrote:BowlingShoeDC9 wrote:stratosphere wrote:
So you think unlimited amounts of people from other countries streaming across our border is sustainable? Shipping migrants up to the residence of the VP or NYC or Martha's vineyard might be a political stunt. But obviously it is going to take something to get this attention of this pathetic administration. Say what want about Trump but the message to fence jumpers was clear . You are not going to have it easy if you come here illegally and try to cross our border. Trump also sent a message to Mexico that you better help us with this or we are going to slap tariffs on you until the cows come home. Mexico got the message fast. Now Biden comes in an unravels all that and lays out a welcome mat for anyone who wants to come here and now the southern border is overwhelmed more than ever and Biden won't even go there and see the mess he created. Anyone who thinks this isn't a major problem is a special kind of stupid.
If I remember correctly, Mexico told Trump to fuck off and did jack shit.
Also if you want our economy to continue having near constant growth, you really should be for more immigration.
Nothing has really changed about the border situation. Biden has fought to keep the special pandemic related Trump regulations in place, much to the anger of many liberals. The only difference is Fox News coverage because the Democrats have the white housr.
So you think the amount of migrants streaming over our border is the same as it was under Trump or less even then since Biden took office? Go ahead provide me with those factoids.
BowlingShoeDC9 wrote:stratosphere wrote:BowlingShoeDC9 wrote:
If I remember correctly, Mexico told Trump to fuck off and did jack shit.
Also if you want our economy to continue having near constant growth, you really should be for more immigration.
Nothing has really changed about the border situation. Biden has fought to keep the special pandemic related Trump regulations in place, much to the anger of many liberals. The only difference is Fox News coverage because the Democrats have the white housr.
So you think the amount of migrants streaming over our border is the same as it was under Trump or less even then since Biden took office? Go ahead provide me with those factoids.
You mean the increased numbers of interactions with border patrol? The numbers that show the system is working and that the border IS being patrolled? That’s like saying an increase in arrests is the same thing as an increase in crime committed.
I have no doubt that if the numbers were decreasing you’d be using that as an proof of the border not being patrolled.
bpatus297 wrote:Most of the people arrested by the Border Patrol are "give ups". They walk across the border and look to be arrested. Its a loop hole in the system as they know they will be put into proceedings and released with an EAD (Employment Authorization Document). It is years and years until their hearings, which can be pushed out indefinitely with continuances. The Border Patrol tracks several metrics, apprehensions, known entries, "got-aways", etc. All categories have gone up by a lot. Not sure how easy it is to find those numbers other than apprehensions, heck I am not sure they are even publicly released.
alfa164 wrote:bpatus297 wrote:Most of the people arrested by the Border Patrol are "give ups". They walk across the border and look to be arrested. Its a loop hole in the system as they know they will be put into proceedings and released with an EAD (Employment Authorization Document). It is years and years until their hearings, which can be pushed out indefinitely with continuances. The Border Patrol tracks several metrics, apprehensions, known entries, "got-aways", etc. All categories have gone up by a lot. Not sure how easy it is to find those numbers other than apprehensions, heck I am not sure they are even publicly released.
So...? That is the way it is supposed to be: immigrants come in to present their case, and await the - through no fault of their own - oft-delayed proceeding that determine their eligibility for asylum. That is the way it is supposed to be done - at least, until Herr Trump upended the system.
bpatus297 wrote:alfa164 wrote:bpatus297 wrote:Most of the people arrested by the Border Patrol are "give ups". They walk across the border and look to be arrested. Its a loop hole in the system as they know they will be put into proceedings and released with an EAD (Employment Authorization Document). It is years and years until their hearings, which can be pushed out indefinitely with continuances. The Border Patrol tracks several metrics, apprehensions, known entries, "got-aways", etc. All categories have gone up by a lot. Not sure how easy it is to find those numbers other than apprehensions, heck I am not sure they are even publicly released.
So...? That is the way it is supposed to be: immigrants come in to present their case, and await the - through no fault of their own - oft-delayed proceeding that determine their eligibility for asylum. That is the way it is supposed to be done - at least, until Herr Trump upended the system.
Actually they shouldn't cross illegally. It was actually meant for them to present themselves at a POE or be physically present in the US. That's the loop hole, cross illegally and you are now physically present, but that was never the spirit of the law. You obviously are look9ng at this through a political bias as evident from the Herr Trump comment. Inam simply presenting the truth of the matter without political slant.
seb146 wrote:bpatus297 wrote:alfa164 wrote:
So...? That is the way it is supposed to be: immigrants come in to present their case, and await the - through no fault of their own - oft-delayed proceeding that determine their eligibility for asylum. That is the way it is supposed to be done - at least, until Herr Trump upended the system.
Actually they shouldn't cross illegally. It was actually meant for them to present themselves at a POE or be physically present in the US. That's the loop hole, cross illegally and you are now physically present, but that was never the spirit of the law. You obviously are look9ng at this through a political bias as evident from the Herr Trump comment. Inam simply presenting the truth of the matter without political slant.
Some of these people dumped at VP Harris' home were following the rules and laws of our country. Some may not have been and that made problems worse. Again: the ones asking for an asylum hearing were given an asylum hearing in a border state, no Washington DC or Maryland or Virginia. So, they had to figure out a way to get back to their legally sanctioned hearing from thousands of miles away with no money, no family, no resources, nothing. All to pwn the libs and literally nothing else. The ones who were here completely illegally were released into the country and can not be fodder for right wing media because they are drug mules or something.
Just keep in mind that REPUBLICANS did this. REPUBLICANS declared open borders and REPUBLCIANS forced these people thousands of miles away. Not Democrats.
bpatus297 wrote:seb146 wrote:bpatus297 wrote:
Actually they shouldn't cross illegally. It was actually meant for them to present themselves at a POE or be physically present in the US. That's the loop hole, cross illegally and you are now physically present, but that was never the spirit of the law. You obviously are look9ng at this through a political bias as evident from the Herr Trump comment. Inam simply presenting the truth of the matter without political slant.
Some of these people dumped at VP Harris' home were following the rules and laws of our country. Some may not have been and that made problems worse. Again: the ones asking for an asylum hearing were given an asylum hearing in a border state, no Washington DC or Maryland or Virginia. So, they had to figure out a way to get back to their legally sanctioned hearing from thousands of miles away with no money, no family, no resources, nothing. All to pwn the libs and literally nothing else. The ones who were here completely illegally were released into the country and can not be fodder for right wing media because they are drug mules or something.
Just keep in mind that REPUBLICANS did this. REPUBLICANS declared open borders and REPUBLCIANS forced these people thousands of miles away. Not Democrats.
You understand that they voluntarily got on the bus with the k own destination of DC, right? Also, so as long as they stay in a border state, you don't care? NIMBY at its finest.
seb146 wrote:
What were they told, though? Remember when the migrants were flown to Martha's Vineyard, they were told they would be given free stuff and they willingly got on the plane? If they are being given resources in MD, DC, or VA, that's fine. But, to be dumped off on the side of a highway is just cruel.
Avatar2go wrote:seb146 wrote:
What were they told, though? Remember when the migrants were flown to Martha's Vineyard, they were told they would be given free stuff and they willingly got on the plane? If they are being given resources in MD, DC, or VA, that's fine. But, to be dumped off on the side of a highway is just cruel.
In fairness, in this instance the migrants knew where they were going, and the DC aide agencies knew they were coming. Sending them to the VP residence was still a political stunt, and was the only objectionable part of this.
I would heed bpatus297 on these issues, he knows wherefore he speaks, and has given an objective and informational perspective. It's a very complex issue with problems on all sides, and with all parties involved.
We do ourselves a disservice by trying to reduce it to a sound byte, on any side. Unfortunately the discussion tends to be consumed by the "Battle of the Bytes", which accomplishes exactly nothing to resolve the true issues.
I would imagine that for the border patrol, who are trying to manage this and asking for assistance, it must look like a giant circus, with the clowns in charge. That's not meant as a political comment to criticize any side, just as a comment on the general administrative reality.
Avatar2go wrote:seb146 wrote:
What were they told, though? Remember when the migrants were flown to Martha's Vineyard, they were told they would be given free stuff and they willingly got on the plane? If they are being given resources in MD, DC, or VA, that's fine. But, to be dumped off on the side of a highway is just cruel.
In fairness, in this instance the migrants knew where they were going, and the DC aide agencies knew they were coming. Sending them to the VP residence was still a political stunt, and was the only objectionable part of this.
I would heed bpatus297 on these issues, he knows wherefore he speaks, and has given an objective and informational perspective. It's a very complex issue with problems on all sides, and with all parties involved.
We do ourselves a disservice by trying to reduce it to a sound byte, on any side. Unfortunately the discussion tends to be consumed by the "Battle of the Bytes", which accomplishes exactly nothing to resolve the true issues.
I would imagine that for the border patrol, who are trying to manage this and asking for assistance, it must look like a giant circus, with the clowns in charge. That's not meant as a political comment to criticize any side, just as a comment on the general administrative reality.
seb146 wrote:bpatus297 wrote:seb146 wrote:
Some of these people dumped at VP Harris' home were following the rules and laws of our country. Some may not have been and that made problems worse. Again: the ones asking for an asylum hearing were given an asylum hearing in a border state, no Washington DC or Maryland or Virginia. So, they had to figure out a way to get back to their legally sanctioned hearing from thousands of miles away with no money, no family, no resources, nothing. All to pwn the libs and literally nothing else. The ones who were here completely illegally were released into the country and can not be fodder for right wing media because they are drug mules or something.
Just keep in mind that REPUBLICANS did this. REPUBLICANS declared open borders and REPUBLCIANS forced these people thousands of miles away. Not Democrats.
You understand that they voluntarily got on the bus with the k own destination of DC, right? Also, so as long as they stay in a border state, you don't care? NIMBY at its finest.
What were they told, though? Remember when the migrants were flown to Martha's Vineyard, they were told they would be given free stuff and they willingly got on the plane? If they are being given resources in MD, DC, or VA, that's fine. But, to be dumped off on the side of a highway is just cruel.
bpatus297 wrote:alfa164 wrote:bpatus297 wrote:Most of the people arrested by the Border Patrol are "give ups". They walk across the border and look to be arrested. Its a loop hole in the system as they know they will be put into proceedings and released with an EAD (Employment Authorization Document). It is years and years until their hearings, which can be pushed out indefinitely with continuances. The Border Patrol tracks several metrics, apprehensions, known entries, "got-aways", etc. All categories have gone up by a lot. Not sure how easy it is to find those numbers other than apprehensions, heck I am not sure they are even publicly released.
So...? That is the way it is supposed to be: immigrants come in to present their case, and await the - through no fault of their own - oft-delayed proceeding that determine their eligibility for asylum. That is the way it is supposed to be done - at least, until Herr Trump upended the system.
Actually they shouldn't cross illegally. It was actually meant for them to present themselves at a POE or be physically present in the US. That's the loop hole, cross illegally and you are now physically present, but that was never the spirit of the law. You obviously are look9ng at this through a political bias as evident from the Herr Trump comment. Inam simply presenting the truth of the matter without political slant.
Avatar2go wrote:seb146 wrote:
What were they told, though? Remember when the migrants were flown to Martha's Vineyard, they were told they would be given free stuff and they willingly got on the plane? If they are being given resources in MD, DC, or VA, that's fine. But, to be dumped off on the side of a highway is just cruel.
In fairness, in this instance the migrants knew where they were going, and the DC aide agencies knew they were coming. Sending them to the VP residence was still a political stunt, and was the only objectionable part of this.
I would heed bpatus297 on these issues, he knows wherefore he speaks, and has given an objective and informational perspective. It's a very complex issue with problems on all sides, and with all parties involved.
We do ourselves a disservice by trying to reduce it to a sound byte, on any side. Unfortunately the discussion tends to be consumed by the "Battle of the Bytes", which accomplishes exactly nothing to resolve the true issues.
I would imagine that for the border patrol, who are trying to manage this and asking for assistance, it must look like a giant circus, with the clowns in charge. That's not meant as a political comment to criticize any side, just as a comment on the general administrative reality.
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
ItnStln wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:
And that’s just the ones we know about, it’s probably double that, at least.
Tugger wrote:ItnStln wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:
And that’s just the ones we know about, it’s probably double that, at least.
And that is backed up by what? Or is it just fear-mongering to stir like-minded fearful people up?
Tugg
bluecrew wrote:Tugger wrote:ItnStln wrote:And that’s just the ones we know about, it’s probably double that, at least.
And that is backed up by what? Or is it just fear-mongering to stir like-minded fearful people up?
Tugg
Come now, you know by now that facts aren't useful except the ones that agree with the 100% true, correct ideology right?
seb146 wrote:bluecrew wrote:Tugger wrote:And that is backed up by what? Or is it just fear-mongering to stir like-minded fearful people up?
Tugg
Come now, you know by now that facts aren't useful except the ones that agree with the 100% true, correct ideology right?
Genuine question for the MAGA Christian nationalists:
What Would Jesus Do? Honestly: What does Scripture say about immigrants and those being cast out into the cold? What did Jesus, your other Lord and Savior, say about that? No shade, no mocking, just an honest question. We are a Christian nation, right?
DH106 wrote:Strikes me that many 'Christians' are..... 'CINOs' - to borrow a Trump term.
hh65man wrote:DH106 wrote:Strikes me that many 'Christians' are..... 'CINOs' - to borrow a Trump term.
If Trump actually says that, it’s a bit rich coming from a person who doesn’t know up from down with the Bible. Loved that stumped, ignorant looking face of his when he was asked what his favourite verse of the Bible was and he just deflected the answer. Abotts stunt was just that a stunt. And it was callous, unprofessional, and undignified of a Bible thumper.
