Anybody watching TV right now? The schadenfreude is hitting like a first cigarette out of the prison yard.

Looks like he's failed 2 votes so far, that hasn't happened in over a hundred years. This guy's cooked. Instead of 5 Never Kevins they're now up to 15 Never Kevins.

My favorite quote so far - I can see the families of the QAnon nuts wandering around trying to find Groyper and livestreaming the experience on Facebook:

The House floor is just sort of chaos right now. Democrats are gleeful, having remained united behind Hakeem Jeffries and drawn a direct contrast with House Republicans. Staff members and conference leaders are breaking off into huddles on the Republican side. Left in limbo are all the families, including children, who came to watch their loved ones be sworn into Congress.

Enjoy the chaos!! Early January revolts come once every two years.

Got to give Jim Jordan credit he is acting like an adult. Gaetz should give it a rest. Just wasting time.

bluecrew wrote:

Anybody watching TV right now? The schadenfreude is hitting like a first cigarette out of the prison yard.

Looks like he's failed 2 votes so far, that hasn't happened in over a hundred years. This guy's cooked. Instead of 5 Never Kevins they're now up to 15 Never Kevins.

My favorite quote so far - I can see the families of the QAnon nuts wandering around trying to find Groyper and livestreaming the experience on Facebook:

The House floor is just sort of chaos right now. Democrats are gleeful, having remained united behind Hakeem Jeffries and drawn a direct contrast with House Republicans. Staff members and conference leaders are breaking off into huddles on the Republican side. Left in limbo are all the families, including children, who came to watch their loved ones be sworn into Congress.

Enjoy the chaos!! Early January revolts come once every two years.

What a mess. Not that they care, but the "No" crowd doesn't really have an alternative. But that isn't their objective. They're looking for their 15 minutes.

The irony is that McCarthy bent over backwards to defend the MAGA's that tried to overturn the presidential election. Yet that is the group that is revolting against him now.

It shows the true character of both McCarthy and that group. Adam Kinzinger's comments over the weekend were right on track.

What really needs to happen, is the Republicans need to put up a candidate from "Team Normal", and marginalize the MAGA wing of the party that has caused continuous trouble since they appeared in Washington. That is the only outcome that is not dysfunctional.

However that will never happen, so all we can do is keep the popcorn coming. It is amusing that Jeffries is leading right now.

luckyone wrote:

bluecrew wrote:

Anybody watching TV right now? The schadenfreude is hitting like a first cigarette out of the prison yard.

Looks like he's failed 2 votes so far, that hasn't happened in over a hundred years. This guy's cooked. Instead of 5 Never Kevins they're now up to 15 Never Kevins.

My favorite quote so far - I can see the families of the QAnon nuts wandering around trying to find Groyper and livestreaming the experience on Facebook:

The House floor is just sort of chaos right now. Democrats are gleeful, having remained united behind Hakeem Jeffries and drawn a direct contrast with House Republicans. Staff members and conference leaders are breaking off into huddles on the Republican side. Left in limbo are all the families, including children, who came to watch their loved ones be sworn into Congress.

Enjoy the chaos!! Early January revolts come once every two years.

What a mess. Not that they care, but the "No" crowd doesn't really have an alternative. But that isn't their objective. They're looking for their 15 minutes.

According to CNN, donors have started to flood Republican offices with calls, lots of wobble all over.

Wobble has increased now to 19 rebels, likely up to 25. It's some very entertaining TV. One Republican quoted as saying "McCarthy will have them voting all night [to win a vote]."

Day 1 of the 2024 cycle starts with a Republican implosion. Oh darn.

bluecrew wrote:

Anybody watching TV right now? The schadenfreude is hitting like a first cigarette out of the prison yard.

Looks like he's failed 2 votes so far, that hasn't happened in over a hundred years. This guy's cooked. Instead of 5 Never Kevins they're now up to 15 Never Kevins.

My favorite quote so far - I can see the families of the QAnon nuts wandering around trying to find Groyper and livestreaming the experience on Facebook:

The House floor is just sort of chaos right now. Democrats are gleeful, having remained united behind Hakeem Jeffries and drawn a direct contrast with House Republicans. Staff members and conference leaders are breaking off into huddles on the Republican side. Left in limbo are all the families, including children, who came to watch their loved ones be sworn into Congress.

Enjoy the chaos!! Early January revolts come once every two years.

Heard an interesting possible outcome, perhaps the Democrats could take it because some more moderate Republicans won't be taken hostage by the extreme wing (read Trumpians) of the party and rather would see a democrat than listen to every whim of those 9 senators.

Dutchy wrote:

Heard an interesting possible outcome, perhaps the Democrats could take it because some more moderate Republicans won't be taken hostage by the extreme wing (read Trumpians) of the party and rather would see a democrat than listen to every whim of those 9 senators.

Although that's a possible outcome vote-wise, the Republicans have demonstrated that they will always close ranks against the Democrats.

This is purely an internal fight. The resistant MAGA group just wants to burn it all down, just as they did on Jan 6. There is no coherent plan or strategy. None of these people really belong in Congress. But there you have it.

If Jim Jordan is the candidate this group puts forward, that tells you everything about that group.

Vote 2 is done and dusted - failed.

Phone calls from anonymous Republican congressmen to CNN saying they will happily sit on the floor and vote for McCarthy until midnight.

Can't make it up. I haven't stopped giggling all morning.

I guess a rule doesn't exist where Jordan can give his votes to McCarthy. More parlor games and beltway BS. Only people who win is the uber eats drivers. Yawn.

NIKV69 wrote:

I guess a rule doesn't exist where Jordan can give his votes to McCarthy. More parlor games and beltway BS. Only people who win is the uber eats drivers. Yawn.

Come now, this is the Constitution. Your team bangs on about it all day - surely what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Dutchy wrote:

bluecrew wrote:

Anybody watching TV right now? The schadenfreude is hitting like a first cigarette out of the prison yard.

Looks like he's failed 2 votes so far, that hasn't happened in over a hundred years. This guy's cooked. Instead of 5 Never Kevins they're now up to 15 Never Kevins.

My favorite quote so far - I can see the families of the QAnon nuts wandering around trying to find Groyper and livestreaming the experience on Facebook:

The House floor is just sort of chaos right now. Democrats are gleeful, having remained united behind Hakeem Jeffries and drawn a direct contrast with House Republicans. Staff members and conference leaders are breaking off into huddles on the Republican side. Left in limbo are all the families, including children, who came to watch their loved ones be sworn into Congress.

Enjoy the chaos!! Early January revolts come once every two years.

Heard an interesting possible outcome, perhaps the Democrats could take it because some more moderate Republicans won't be taken hostage by the extreme wing (read Trumpians) of the party and rather would see a democrat than listen to every whim of those 9 senators.

Just an FYI, they aren’t Senators. I could see maybe a handful of Republicans voting for Jeffries — they’d only need six — but they would be committing career suicide and would lose all committee assignments. The last time I recall someone crossing the aisle in the Speaker’s vote was Jim Trafficant in 2001. And that pretty much ended his Congressional career. Granted, he ended up in jail shortly afterward anyway so maybe he saw it coming.

Back to your point though, the more moderate members are already firmly in the McCarthy camp. The other actual moderates have been purged through the GOP primaries the last three cycles — see Kinzinger, Adam.

Either way, I bet John Boehner is laughing his ass off at Kevin McCarthy’s expense.

NIKV69 wrote:

Got to give Jim Jordan credit he is acting like an adult. Gaetz should give it a rest. Just wasting time.

I never thought I would see "Jim Jordan" and "acting like an adult" in the same sentence...

luckyone wrote:

I could see maybe a handful of Republicans voting for Jeffries — they’d only need six — but they would be committing career suicide and would lose all committee assignments.

You might be right about their future careers - although I keep hoping that, someday, my beloved G.O.P. will exhibit a sudden return to sanity - but if a handful of Republicans were to band together and vote for Jeffries, that should make him Speaker. And since Jeffries would be making the Committee assignments, I would bet they would get top choice.

alfa164 wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

Got to give Jim Jordan credit he is acting like an adult. Gaetz should give it a rest. Just wasting time.

I never thought I would see "Jim Jordan" and "acting like an adult" in the same sentence...

luckyone wrote:

I could see maybe a handful of Republicans voting for Jeffries — they’d only need six — but they would be committing career suicide and would lose all committee assignments.

You might be right about their future careers - although I keep hoping that, someday, my beloved G.O.P. will exhibit a sudden return to sanity - but if a handful of Republicans were to band together and vote for Jeffries, that should make him Speaker. And since Jeffries would be making the Committee assignments, I would bet they would get top choice.

A fair point. I just see that being a very tenuous, almost coalition style arrangement that could easily fail even the 50-vote speakership challenge time and time again. I don’t see it being a long lasting option.

luckyone wrote:

Either way, I bet John Boehner is laughing his ass off at Kevin McCarthy’s expense.

He's probably about 2 bottles of merlot deep, smoking a blunt from the recreational marijuana companies he's been lobbying for over the past 5 years.

Good call on Trafficant - as punishment for voting for (sex offender) Denny Hastert, he was isolated, banished from any committee slots, and stripped of his seniority.

Open mocking, laughing, and jeering on the House floor as they announce the results right now. Total pandemonium.

Steve Scalise and Elise Stefanik trying to pick it up now. It'll be fun to watch this one fail too.

bluecrew wrote:

luckyone wrote:

Either way, I bet John Boehner is laughing his ass off at Kevin McCarthy’s expense.

He's probably about 2 bottles of merlot deep, smoking a blunt from the recreational marijuana companies he's been lobbying for over the past 5 years.

Good call on Trafficant - as punishment for voting for (sex offender) Denny Hastert, he was isolated, banished from any committee slots, and stripped of his seniority.

Open mocking, laughing, and jeering on the House floor as they announce the results right now. Total pandemonium.

Steve Scalise and Elise Stefanik trying to pick it up now. It'll be fun to watch this one fail too.

Trafficant made supporting creeps and compromised individuals his calling card. Hell, he made his name defending John Demjanjuk. In 2022 he’d squarely have an R by his name.

Avatar2go wrote:

What really needs to happen, is the Republicans need to put up a candidate from "Team Normal", and marginalize the MAGA wing of the party that has caused continuous trouble since they appeared in Washington. That is the only outcome that is not dysfunctional.

However that will never happen, so all we can do is keep the popcorn coming. It is amusing that Jeffries is leading right now.

Isn't McCarthy the sane one of the group. If I were him I would consider it a blessing that you aren't going to be speaker.
Let a MAGA crazy be the speaker and see how that works out.

I will buy futures in popcorn.

luckyone wrote:

Either way, I bet John Boehner is laughing his ass off at Kevin McCarthy’s expense.

This is why its a blessing in disguise that McCarthy isn't going to be speaker.

The crap that Boehner went through was nuts and the GOP wasn't as crazy a decade ago. So much GOP friendly legislation would have been passed had the Freedom Caucus not stonewalled Boehner.

StarAC17 wrote:

Avatar2go wrote:

What really needs to happen, is the Republicans need to put up a candidate from "Team Normal", and marginalize the MAGA wing of the party that has caused continuous trouble since they appeared in Washington. That is the only outcome that is not dysfunctional.

However that will never happen, so all we can do is keep the popcorn coming. It is amusing that Jeffries is leading right now.

Isn't McCarthy the sane one of the group. If I were him I would consider it a blessing that you aren't going to be speaker.
Let a MAGA crazy be the speaker and see how that works out.

I will buy futures in popcorn.

luckyone wrote:

Either way, I bet John Boehner is laughing his ass off at Kevin McCarthy’s expense.

This is why its a blessing in disguise that McCarthy isn't going to be speaker.

The crap that Boehner went through was nuts and the GOP wasn't as crazy a decade ago. So much GOP friendly legislation would have been passed had the Freedom Caucus not stonewalled Boehner.

I don’t consider McCarthy sane. I don’t consider him crazy. He’s a neutered doofus who can’t ever quite get out of his own way, but can’t actually make anything happen. He’s the political equivalent of Nickeback. Always manages to hang in there and give us some pablum, but nobody particularly likes him, and plenty of people have a bad word to say about it. Legislatively…he’s never actually done much of anything and doesn’t have a vision. Paul Ryan at least made it very clear what his term as Speaker would look like.

Ahh look, the party that promotes Anti/Establishment/Anti-Government /Anti American candidates is surprised when they get handed the reciepts.


This all looks a lot like a bunch of fools that shoul;d never have been voted in, are intent on destroying the government still.

luckyone wrote:

StarAC17 wrote:

Avatar2go wrote:

What really needs to happen, is the Republicans need to put up a candidate from "Team Normal", and marginalize the MAGA wing of the party that has caused continuous trouble since they appeared in Washington. That is the only outcome that is not dysfunctional.

However that will never happen, so all we can do is keep the popcorn coming. It is amusing that Jeffries is leading right now.

Isn't McCarthy the sane one of the group. If I were him I would consider it a blessing that you aren't going to be speaker.
Let a MAGA crazy be the speaker and see how that works out.

I will buy futures in popcorn.

luckyone wrote:

Either way, I bet John Boehner is laughing his ass off at Kevin McCarthy’s expense.

This is why its a blessing in disguise that McCarthy isn't going to be speaker.

The crap that Boehner went through was nuts and the GOP wasn't as crazy a decade ago. So much GOP friendly legislation would have been passed had the Freedom Caucus not stonewalled Boehner.

I don’t consider McCarthy sane. I don’t consider him crazy. He’s a neutered doofus who can’t ever quite get out of his own way, but can’t actually make anything happen. He’s the political equivalent of Nickeback. Always manages to hang in there and give us some pablum, but nobody particularly likes him, and plenty of people have a bad word to say about it. Legislatively…he’s never actually done much of anything and doesn’t have a vision. Paul Ryan at least made it very clear what his term as Speaker would look like.

Fair enough. I don't follow the inner workings of the GOP caucus not being an American.
Can they nominate Gaetz or Jordan and have them do it. From my observation they are arrogant enough. have them do the job.

casinterest wrote:

Ahh look, the party that promotes Anti/Establishment/Anti-Government /Anti American candidates is surprised when they get handed the reciepts.


This all looks a lot like a bunch of fools that shoul;d never have been voted in, are intent on destroying the government still.

Vote for the party that says the government doesn't work and they will get in and prove it.

casinterest wrote:

Ahh look, the party that promotes Anti/Establishment/Anti-Government /Anti American candidates is surprised when they get handed the reciepts.


This all looks a lot like a bunch of fools that shoul;d never have been voted in, are intent on destroying the government still.

Can’t expect much else from people (or voters) whose entire mindset is give the toy or I’ll break it.

StarAC17 wrote:

luckyone wrote:

StarAC17 wrote:

Isn't McCarthy the sane one of the group. If I were him I would consider it a blessing that you aren't going to be speaker.
Let a MAGA crazy be the speaker and see how that works out.

I will buy futures in popcorn.



This is why its a blessing in disguise that McCarthy isn't going to be speaker.

The crap that Boehner went through was nuts and the GOP wasn't as crazy a decade ago. So much GOP friendly legislation would have been passed had the Freedom Caucus not stonewalled Boehner.

I don’t consider McCarthy sane. I don’t consider him crazy. He’s a neutered doofus who can’t ever quite get out of his own way, but can’t actually make anything happen. He’s the political equivalent of Nickeback. Always manages to hang in there and give us some pablum, but nobody particularly likes him, and plenty of people have a bad word to say about it. Legislatively…he’s never actually done much of anything and doesn’t have a vision. Paul Ryan at least made it very clear what his term as Speaker would look like.

Fair enough. I don't follow the inner workings of the GOP caucus not being an American.
Can they nominate Gaetz or Jordan and have them do it. From my observation they are arrogant enough. have them do the job.

casinterest wrote:

Ahh look, the party that promotes Anti/Establishment/Anti-Government /Anti American candidates is surprised when they get handed the reciepts.


This all looks a lot like a bunch of fools that shoul;d never have been voted in, are intent on destroying the government still.

Vote for the party that says the government doesn't work and they will get in a prove it.

Jordan and Gaetz are both provocateurs. Neither would know what to do if they were the leader, because they’ve spent their careers bucking against leadership.

Boebert, once again demonstrating the class and dignity that her role requires, was heard saying 'this is bullshit' on the House floor in response to McCarthy's speech

skyservice_330 wrote:

Boebert, once again demonstrating the class and dignity that her role requires, was heard saying 'this is bullshit' on the House floor in response to McCarthy's speech

Lauren Boebert is almost literally lipstick (and capped, whitened teeth, and hair extension) on a pig.

That is being generous... I think most pigs would have the good sense to leave a partner convicted of lewd conduct and domestic violence.

The irony of her screaming about 'grooming' while married to a dude that whipped it out at a bowling alley - family values!

Rebels without a cause.

And we're done here folks!

Adjourned, probably to try and find a new candidate? Maybe?

bluecrew wrote:

And we're done here folks!

Adjourned, probably to try and find a new candidate? Maybe?

More likely a lot of phone calls. And MTG will throw her own name in.

Whoever is elected speaker, just remember the only thing Republicans will do is investigate the FBI for doing their job and investigate the CIA for doing their job and investigate Hunter Biden for having a laptop and crating zero legislation to help the poor and zero legislation for securing the border they keep screaming about.

bluecrew wrote:

And we're done here folks!

Adjourned, probably to try and find a new candidate? Maybe?

After a third failed vote.

How the hell can republicans seriously be considering Gym Jordan for Speaker?

Out of desperation, do you think there's a way for McCarthy to shift to the middle and start talking to Moderate Democrats in the house?

ewt340 wrote:

Out of desperation, do you think there's a way for McCarthy to shift to the middle and start talking to Moderate Democrats in the house?

Nope. He's alienated the Democrats enough for that to never happen.

Well, if this isn't the inevitable and entirely predictable consequences of the MAGA-fication of the GOP...

Sow discord, reap chaos.

The US might finally become a multi-party democracy.

One thing is for sure, the GOP sure is consistent in historic loses.

ewt340 wrote:

Out of desperation, do you think there's a way for McCarthy to shift to the middle and start talking to Moderate Democrats in the house?

Do they have any motivation to trust that he's arguing in good faith though?

I kinda figured they would let him sail into the Speaker's chair, and pick him apart later with internal party politics. Wasn't really expecting the drama where he can't even get the gavel.

I guess Democrats could participate in sort of a mercy-killing? If Dems voted McCarthy in, it would be a sign that his premiership is pretty much over already.

bluecrew wrote:

ewt340 wrote:

Out of desperation, do you think there's a way for McCarthy to shift to the middle and start talking to Moderate Democrats in the house?

Do they have any motivation to trust that he's arguing in good faith though?

I kinda figured they would let him sail into the Speaker's chair, and pick him apart later with internal party politics. Wasn't really expecting the drama where he can't even get the gavel.

I guess Democrats could participate in sort of a mercy-killing? If Dems voted McCarthy in, it would be a sign that his premiership is pretty much over already.

I think whatever the animosity between Republicans, it's nothing relative to that with Democrats. There was a time when this might have been possible, with inter-party deals made for committee memberships and chairmanships. Today there is really no chance.

What this issue boils down to, is the Freedom (MAGA) Caucus wants to have an outsized influence on Congressional proceedings, relative to their numbers. They want to be able force floor votes on things they can't get out of committee. And they want a shock collar on the Speaker so they can threaten him if he ignores them, which he is very likely to do once elected.

They claim they are demanding these things on behalf of the people, but it's really only the small portion that constitutes the MAGA base. Yet all Republicans know they can be primaried by that base, so they have to be cautious in how they deal with the Freedom Caucus.

It's effectively blackmail, but such is politics in an age when a significant block of Republican voters can be controlled by one person, or a small caucus. Until that is broken up and laid to rest, we will continue to have crazy circumstances develop.

I had to chuckle a bit today, yesterday I saw many forums with conservatives saying this was no different than Pelosi making deals to become Speaker. It's pretty clear now this is quite different. It's one thing for party factions to seek political benefits, it's another to toss the spanner into the works, just because you can.

ewt340 wrote:

Out of desperation, do you think there's a way for McCarthy to shift to the middle and start talking to Moderate Democrats in the house?

Only the Senate has members that would do this. House forget it.

Avatar2go wrote:

I had to chuckle a bit today, yesterday I saw many forums with conservatives saying this was no different than Pelosi making deals to become Speaker.

Oh, good! If a Democrat hadn't done it before, Republicans would be forced to consider whether or not anything they did was a good, smart, or moral idea on its own merits. Fortunately, Democrats have previously done absolutely everything under the sun that it is possible for a human being to do, so that isn't necessary.

NIKV69 wrote:

ewt340 wrote:

Out of desperation, do you think there's a way for McCarthy to shift to the middle and start talking to Moderate Democrats in the house?

Only the Senate has members that would do this. House forget it.

The problem for Kevin, is that he sold out the middle to appease the seditionist liars that were responsible for the Jan 6 attacks on democracy, The Democrats won't ever forget that.
Kevin is being held back by the very cowards he sought to protect. I think the Democrats should propose that the responisble members of the GOP move to an independent or Democratic speaker. Of course that won't work, but as long as the GOP fails to get a functioning caucus in the house, it will just be fodder for all those that see the GOP as a facilitator of the destruction of the US government.

casinterest wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

ewt340 wrote:

Out of desperation, do you think there's a way for McCarthy to shift to the middle and start talking to Moderate Democrats in the house?

Only the Senate has members that would do this. House forget it.

The problem for Kevin, is that he sold out the middle to appease the seditionist liars that were responsible for the Jan 6 attacks on democracy, The Democrats won't ever forget that.
Kevin is being held back by the very cowards he sought to protect. I think the Democrats should propose that the responisble members of the GOP move to an independent or Democratic speaker. Of course that won't work, but as long as the GOP fails to get a functioning caucus in the house, it will just be fodder for all those that see the GOP as a facilitator of the destruction of the US government.

If Kevin didn't understand the big game that the Speakership is and what it takes to feed those that he has to deal with... and I mean "deal" as in make deals with, then he is not cut out for the position.

I can't... couldn't stand Pelosi but she knew how to play the game that the position requires.

Tugg

Another complaint of the Freedom Caucus, is that the House leadership shouldn't be based on fundraising ability.

That is were McCarthy has them beat, and why he has the support of most of the traditional members. He was effective in supporting their campaigns, through the RNC. Which is why he also has Ronna McDaniels' support.

He wasn't as generous to the Freedom Caucus in the last cycle, recognizing that election denial was not a popular position. They haven't forgotten that. That's partly why it's personal for them.

They may feel, and perhaps rightly so, that he hoped they would lose and be eliminated from the House, without his having to openly oppose them.

Apparently, making a messy situation even more, shall we say... complicated, McCarthy has reportedly been moving his personal belongings into the House Speaker's office...

This is spectacular. It’s amazing what a basket case Trump has made of the GOP. Truly the inmates running the asylum. I wish I could revel more in the schadenfreude of McCarthy and the utter ineptitude of the Trumpists, but it’s truly unfortunate to see the unraveling of anything resembling an effective opposition to the Democrats.

Aesma wrote:

The US might finally become a multi-party democracy.

Doubt it, they’re not smart enough…

skyservice_330 wrote:

That is being generous... I think most pigs would have the good sense to leave a partner convicted of lewd conduct and domestic violence.

The irony of her screaming about 'grooming' while married to a dude that whipped it out at a bowling alley - family values!

She's a dollar store Sarah Palin knockoff who thinks she is the high school mean girl.

bgm wrote:

skyservice_330 wrote:

That is being generous... I think most pigs would have the good sense to leave a partner convicted of lewd conduct and domestic violence.

The irony of her screaming about 'grooming' while married to a dude that whipped it out at a bowling alley - family values!

She's a dollar store Sarah Palin knockoff who thinks she is the high school mean girl.

Listen, give her credit for at least not parading her daughter's teen pregnancy on national television. She had her own for that.

SumChristianus wrote:

Apparently, making a messy situation even more, shall we say... complicated, McCarthy has reportedly been moving his personal belongings into the House Speaker's office...

I also thought that was a bit presumptuous given the circumstances. Just...damn though the way that these hyenas are cackling.

Tugger wrote:

casinterest wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

Only the Senate has members that would do this. House forget it.

The problem for Kevin, is that he sold out the middle to appease the seditionist liars that were responsible for the Jan 6 attacks on democracy, The Democrats won't ever forget that.
Kevin is being held back by the very cowards he sought to protect. I think the Democrats should propose that the responisble members of the GOP move to an independent or Democratic speaker. Of course that won't work, but as long as the GOP fails to get a functioning caucus in the house, it will just be fodder for all those that see the GOP as a facilitator of the destruction of the US government.

If Kevin didn't understand the big game that the Speakership is and what it takes to feed those that he has to deal with... and I mean "deal" as in make deals with, then he is not cut out for the position.

I can't... couldn't stand Pelosi but she knew how to play the game that the position requires.

Tugg

The GOP these days only understands raw base anger. Kevin still thinks donors and money matter to a party that has been overtaken by zealots that want to burn it all down.

Eventually the GOP will destruct when the donations mean nothing and stop arriving, but the zealots don't see it that way.

Avatar2go wrote:

Another complaint of the Freedom Caucus, is that the House leadership shouldn't be based on fundraising ability.

That is were McCarthy has them beat, and why he has the support of most of the traditional members. He was effective in supporting their campaigns, through the RNC. Which is why he also has Ronna McDaniels' support.

He wasn't as generous to the Freedom Caucus in the last cycle, recognizing that election denial was not a popular position. They haven't forgotten that. That's partly why it's personal for them.

They may feel, and perhaps rightly so, that he hoped they would lose and be eliminated from the House, without his having to openly oppose them.

This is the issue with pandering to those that hate Government. Eventually you will have compromised every one of your goals to meet the goals of those that just don't care.

Well now it's getting interesting. The "boss man" is calling for all Republicans to fall in line behind McCarthy. Let's see how much clout he has with his drones. Or it could've been he enjoyed the chaos just as much as anybody else, and wants to be seen as a savior and unifier.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3797 ... -mccarthy/