The Guardian claims to have seen an advance copy of Harry’s highly anticipated memoir, “Spare,” in which the duke reportedly alleges William, the Prince of Wales, knocked him to the floor during the altercation.

The alleged scuffle took place after a conversation between the two brothers, during which William, the heir to the British throne, called Meghan “difficult,” “rude” and “abrasive,” according to The Guardian.

The confrontation escalated until William “grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and … knocked me to the floor,” the newspaper reported.
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The story reports Harry’s version of events, in which William arrives at Harry and Meghan’s then-home, Nottingham Cottage on Kensington Palace grounds in London, to allegedly discuss “‘the whole rolling catastrophe’ of their relationship and struggles with the press.”

Aesma wrote:

Well, for a future king, dropping anyone, let alone your brother, isn't exactly a good look.

Especially over the woman basically everyone in the family is rejecting, for "reasons" that might not be too progressive either.

Aesma wrote:

Well, for a future king, dropping anyone, let alone your brother, isn't exactly a good look. Especially over the woman basically everyone in the family is rejecting, for "reasons" that might not be too progressive either.

ltbewr wrote:

As I have suggested before, I wonder if Prince Harry has some serious mental/psychological health issues.

majano wrote:

I can also state that I fought my brother, but it was not over a woman (abrasive or not)

Braybuddy wrote:

Hmmm . . . I can see the headlines: "White man who has no regrets about killing 25 darker-skinned people calls others racist".

Revelation wrote:

majano wrote:

I can also state that I fought my brother, but it was not over a woman (abrasive or not)

I see a revenge motivation in Harry telling the world about this, which IMO is a sign he isn't being a mature adult. Maybe he'll never become one, who knows? It is a shame he and Megan can't find some better way to make a living other than spilling the beans on others. One would think they have enough advantages in life that they can find a better way forward.

bennett123 wrote:

Those people were the enemy.

majano wrote:

I would apologise upfront If my upcoming comment is offensive to anyone, but I fully agree. This situation feels a bit like watching a street beggar. It is cringe-worthy for the passer-by and you wonder why they would choose such a pathetic life instead of, for example, finding a job. Yet, for the beggar it's all "good and dandy". Easy money to be made.

Braybuddy wrote:

bennett123 wrote:

Those people were the enemy.

I was making a point. The Sussexes are quick to accuse others of racism without evidence. "Meghan was treated badly because she was black", isn't really any different from saying "Harry killed 25 Taliban because they were black".

bennett123 wrote:

But did he kill them because they were black?.

Revelation wrote:

ltbewr wrote:

As I have suggested before, I wonder if Prince Harry has some serious mental/psychological health issues.

I think he's more or less admitted that he was traumatized by the loss of his mother at such a young age, and felt a lack of love from his father and the rest of the family, something common in many royal upbringings. His dad said more or less the same thing about his relationship with Phil The Greek.

In that regard, it shouldn't be that surprising that he was attracted to Megan, another damaged person. As the saying goes, love is blind.

Braybuddy wrote:

bennett123 wrote:

But did he kill them because they were black?.

Of course not. In exactly the same way that Meghan Markle wasn't hated because she was black.

889091 wrote:

They left the "firm" what, 3 years ago? Their main source of income till now seems to be dishing the dirt on Harry's blood relatives in exchange for $.

Fast forward 2 years when they've exhausted selling Harry's 'exclusive' tell all juicy bits about his time spent at the "firm". What next? Submit application to re-join the "firm"?

889091 wrote:

What next? Submit application to re-join the "firm"?

hh65man wrote:

What’s next? We’ll that’s easy…. The leaked “for our eyes only” sex tape. That should keep them relevant and earn a bit more dime for down the road.

bennett123 wrote:

When someone says Black I tend to think of Michelle Obama.

Revelation wrote:

889091 wrote:

What next? Submit application to re-join the "firm"?

One element of his book tour seems to be pushing the issue of being at Daddy's coronation. Seems the current state of affairs from Harry's point of view is that Harry isn't going unless Daddy reaches out personally. Either way, he wins. If Daddy doesn't reach out, Daddy is a turd and Harry is right to dis the whole family, probably at the exact same time the coronation is on TV. If Daddy does reach out, Harry can gain satisfaction by telling him to piss off, or he can show up to the coronation knowing a lot of cameras will be on him and Megs and not on Daddy and Horse Face / Tampax Lady.

Probably best if Charles does reach out.

If he does as you suggest then people can draw their own conclusions.

This is the kind of stuff the tabloids eat up and keeps the money flowing towards Harry/Megs.

hh65man wrote:

What’s next? We’ll that’s easy…. The leaked “for our eyes only” sex tape. That should keep them relevant and earn a bit more dime for down the road.

That sets a pretty low bar for sex tapes, no? I mean, even pervs have their standards... Don't ask me how I know....

OTOH on this very forum I recall a few of our gay posters suggesting they fancied Harry, maybe he could make good money catering to that audience?

Revelation wrote:

ltbewr wrote:

As I have suggested before, I wonder if Prince Harry has some serious mental/psychological health issues.

I think he's more or less admitted that he was traumatized by the loss of his mother at such a young age, and felt a lack of love from his father and the rest of the family, something common in many royal upbringings. His dad said more or less the same thing about his relationship with Phil The Greek.

In that regard, it shouldn't be that surprising that he was attracted to Megan, another damaged person. As the saying goes, love is blind.

Revelation wrote:

889091 wrote:

What next? Submit application to re-join the "firm"?

One element of his book tour seems to be pushing the issue of being at Daddy's coronation. Seems the current state of affairs from Harry's point of view is that Harry isn't going unless Daddy reaches out personally. Either way, he wins. If Daddy doesn't reach out, Daddy is a turd and Harry is right to dis the whole family, probably at the exact same time the coronation is on TV. If Daddy does reach out, Harry can gain satisfaction by telling him to piss off, or he can show up to the coronation knowing a lot of cameras will be on him and Megs and not on Daddy and Horse Face / Tampax Lady.

This is the kind of stuff the tabloids eat up and keeps the money flowing towards Harry/Megs.

hh65man wrote:

What’s next? We’ll that’s easy…. The leaked “for our eyes only” sex tape. That should keep them relevant and earn a bit more dime for down the road.

That sets a pretty low bar for sex tapes, no? I mean, even pervs have their standards... Don't ask me how I know....

OTOH on this very forum I recall a few of our gay posters suggesting they fancied Harry, maybe he could make good money catering to that audience?

Kiwirob wrote:

My best friend was traumatised by the loss of his mother at a young age as well, his younger sister is even more messed up, there dad is not an emotion man and the mother never told them she was dying, when she died they were caught completely by surprise, my parents knew she was dying and told my sister and I but we were told not to say anything. Being Royal of has nothing to with it, plenty of families are messed up.

Kiwirob wrote:

I wonder how much time Harry spent with his mother, he was at boarding school and she was running around the world partying with various boyfriends? They didn’t live together in a traditional family setting.

hh65man wrote:

889091 wrote:

They left the "firm" what, 3 years ago? Their main source of income till now seems to be dishing the dirt on Harry's blood relatives in exchange for $.

Fast forward 2 years when they've exhausted selling Harry's 'exclusive' tell all juicy bits about his time spent at the "firm". What next? Submit application to re-join the "firm"?

What’s next? Well that’s easy…. The leaked “for our eyes only” sex tape. That should keep them relevant and earn a bit more dime for down the road.

Revelation wrote:

Kiwirob wrote:

My best friend was traumatised by the loss of his mother at a young age as well, his younger sister is even more messed up, there dad is not an emotion man and the mother never told them she was dying, when she died they were caught completely by surprise, my parents knew she was dying and told my sister and I but we were told not to say anything. Being Royal of has nothing to with it, plenty of families are messed up.

Indeed, my aunt died when her kids were late teens, early 20s. Everyone knew, she had cancer, it took a while to run its course. The younger ones had a harder time than the older ones. The dad was a big-time manipulator long before the mom got sick, that made things far worse than they needed to be.

Kiwirob wrote:

I wonder how much time Harry spent with his mother, he was at boarding school and she was running around the world partying with various boyfriends? They didn’t live together in a traditional family setting.

That was pretty common across upper-class English society. One example noted above was Churchill, another one I know of is Alan Turing. I've read biographies of both. The accepted practice was to let others raise your kids pretty much from birth, and to send them off to boarding school when they were old enough. In Turing's case his dad had some sort of Imperial job in India, and he often only saw his parents for a month or two every two years. The letters this kids wrote their parents are extremely sad, they are begging/pleading/screaming for their parents to give them some love and attention, they can't understand why they've been abandoned and left in such awful places. I've also seen various documentaries of how the UK royal family raises its kids, and it's pretty much the same thing.

Kiwirob wrote:

Revelation wrote:

ltbewr wrote:

As I have suggested before, I wonder if Prince Harry has some serious mental/psychological health issues.

I think he's more or less admitted that he was traumatized by the loss of his mother at such a young age, and felt a lack of love from his father and the rest of the family, something common in many royal upbringings. His dad said more or less the same thing about his relationship with Phil The Greek.

In that regard, it shouldn't be that surprising that he was attracted to Megan, another damaged person. As the saying goes, love is blind.

My best friend was traumatised by the loss of his mother at a young age as well, his younger sister is even more messed up, there dad is not an emotion man and the mother never told them she was dying, when she died they were caught completely by surprise, my parents knew she was dying and told my sister and I but we were told not to say anything. Being Royal of has nothing to with it, plenty of families are messed up.

Is Megan damaged or is she just a nasty person that has Harry by the short and curries?

I wonder how much time Harry spent with his mother, he was at boarding school and she was running around the world partying with various boyfriends? They didn’t live together in a traditional family setting.

chimborazo wrote:

Kiwirob wrote:

Revelation wrote:

I think he's more or less admitted that he was traumatized by the loss of his mother at such a young age, and felt a lack of love from his father and the rest of the family, something common in many royal upbringings. His dad said more or less the same thing about his relationship with Phil The Greek.

In that regard, it shouldn't be that surprising that he was attracted to Megan, another damaged person. As the saying goes, love is blind.

My best friend was traumatised by the loss of his mother at a young age as well, his younger sister is even more messed up, there dad is not an emotion man and the mother never told them she was dying, when she died they were caught completely by surprise, my parents knew she was dying and told my sister and I but we were told not to say anything. Being Royal of has nothing to with it, plenty of families are messed up.

Is Megan damaged or is she just a nasty person that has Harry by the short and curries?

I wonder how much time Harry spent with his mother, he was at boarding school and she was running around the world partying with various boyfriends? They didn’t live together in a traditional family setting.

No, that's not his parents job. I'm sure there was a (misguided) reason why the parents didn't want their kids to know.


Your parents don’t sound like particularly nice people then. They told you not to say anything and those kids lost their mum without knowing it was going to happen. Shame on your parents: they could have done something to help that situation for the kids.

chimborazo wrote:

Kiwirob wrote:

Revelation wrote:

I think he's more or less admitted that he was traumatized by the loss of his mother at such a young age, and felt a lack of love from his father and the rest of the family, something common in many royal upbringings. His dad said more or less the same thing about his relationship with Phil The Greek.

In that regard, it shouldn't be that surprising that he was attracted to Megan, another damaged person. As the saying goes, love is blind.

My best friend was traumatised by the loss of his mother at a young age as well, his younger sister is even more messed up, there dad is not an emotion man and the mother never told them she was dying, when she died they were caught completely by surprise, my parents knew she was dying and told my sister and I but we were told not to say anything. Being Royal of has nothing to with it, plenty of families are messed up.

Is Megan damaged or is she just a nasty person that has Harry by the short and curries?

I wonder how much time Harry spent with his mother, he was at boarding school and she was running around the world partying with various boyfriends? They didn’t live together in a traditional family setting.

Your parents don’t sound like particularly nice people then. They told you not to say anything and those kids lost their mum without knowing it was going to happen. Shame on your parents: they could have done something to help that situation for the kids.

johns624 wrote:

chimborazo wrote:

Kiwirob wrote:

My best friend was traumatised by the loss of his mother at a young age as well, his younger sister is even more messed up, there dad is not an emotion man and the mother never told them she was dying, when she died they were caught completely by surprise, my parents knew she was dying and told my sister and I but we were told not to say anything. Being Royal of has nothing to with it, plenty of families are messed up.

Is Megan damaged or is she just a nasty person that has Harry by the short and curries?

I wonder how much time Harry spent with his mother, he was at boarding school and she was running around the world partying with various boyfriends? They didn’t live together in a traditional family setting.

No, that's not his parents job. I'm sure there was a (misguided) reason why the parents didn't want their kids to know.


Your parents don’t sound like particularly nice people then. They told you not to say anything and those kids lost their mum without knowing it was going to happen. Shame on your parents: they could have done something to help that situation for the kids.

No, it's not his parents decision or place to tell the children. I'm sure the parents had a (misguided) reason not to tell their own kids.

davidjohnson6 wrote:

Harry knows not the forces that are being unleashed... I am beginning to wonder if the UK (in whatever form that may be) will still be a monarchy by the time Charles dies

davidjohnson6 wrote:

Harry knows not the forces that are being unleashed... I am beginning to wonder if the UK (in whatever form that may be) will still be a monarchy by the time Charles dies

A101 wrote:

davidjohnson6 wrote:

Harry knows not the forces that are being unleashed... I am beginning to wonder if the UK (in whatever form that may be) will still be a monarchy by the time Charles dies

I don't wonder don't think it will change anytime soon if this is any indication he would have to do something really really stupid

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/bmncb6vteb/ ... 221215.pdf

We should keep the monarchy 60%
We should abolish the monarchy 25%
Don't know 15%

ample Size: 1690 adults in GB
Fieldwork: 14th - 15th December 2022

A101 wrote:

I don't wonder don't think it will change anytime soon if this is any indication he would have to do something really really stupid

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/bmncb6vteb/ ... 221215.pdf

We should keep the monarchy 60%
We should abolish the monarchy 25%
Don't know 15%

ample Size: 1690 adults in GB
Fieldwork: 14th - 15th December 2022

Revelation wrote:

A101 wrote:

I don't wonder don't think it will change anytime soon if this is any indication he would have to do something really really stupid

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/bmncb6vteb/ ... 221215.pdf

We should keep the monarchy 60%
We should abolish the monarchy 25%
Don't know 15%

ample Size: 1690 adults in GB
Fieldwork: 14th - 15th December 2022

The only ones who take the time to answer such surveys are bored pensioners.

The same demographic in Russia wants the Soviet Union back.

Go figure.

Max Q wrote:

The hatred, outright racism, intolerance and arrogance shown towards Harry and Meghan is pretty nauseating

He has done nothing wrong, his choices are his and theirs to make

I do believe his wife was very badly treated when she lived in the UK and I’m sure the memory of his mother being literally hounded to death by the media made him want to take her as far away as he could from that into a more welcoming and tolerant culture

Kiwirob wrote:

Revelation wrote:

Kiwirob wrote:

My best friend was traumatised by the loss of his mother at a young age as well, his younger sister is even more messed up, there dad is not an emotion man and the mother never told them she was dying, when she died they were caught completely by surprise, my parents knew she was dying and told my sister and I but we were told not to say anything. Being Royal of has nothing to with it, plenty of families are messed up.

Indeed, my aunt died when her kids were late teens, early 20s. Everyone knew, she had cancer, it took a while to run its course. The younger ones had a harder time than the older ones. The dad was a big-time manipulator long before the mom got sick, that made things far worse than they needed to be.

Kiwirob wrote:

I wonder how much time Harry spent with his mother, he was at boarding school and she was running around the world partying with various boyfriends? They didn’t live together in a traditional family setting.

That was pretty common across upper-class English society. One example noted above was Churchill, another one I know of is Alan Turing. I've read biographies of both. The accepted practice was to let others raise your kids pretty much from birth, and to send them off to boarding school when they were old enough. In Turing's case his dad had some sort of Imperial job in India, and he often only saw his parents for a month or two every two years. The letters this kids wrote their parents are extremely sad, they are begging/pleading/screaming for their parents to give them some love and attention, they can't understand why they've been abandoned and left in such awful places. I've also seen various documentaries of how the UK royal family raises its kids, and it's pretty much the same thing.

It was pretty common for farming families in NZ when my dad and his brothers were kids to go to boarding school. I don’t know if this is still done today.

A couple of really good books about time spent at British boarding schools are Roald Dahls autobiographies Boy and Going Solo. Dahl had a very interesting life story.

Max Q wrote:

The hatred, outright racism, intolerance and arrogance shown towards Harry and Meghan is pretty nauseating


No one really seems to be able to clarify what it is they’ve done that is so awful


Harry served his country honorably in combat in Afghanistan placing himself in great danger (unlike his brother) and spent a decade in the army where he had a good reputation

He decided to marry an American woman, leave the Royal family and move to the US

So what ?

He was never going to be king and in any case his royal duties have never been mandatory


We are in 2023 !

Harry seems to be seen as a ‘traitor’ for leaving his Royal life behind, marrying a ‘less than White’ American and moving to the US


He has done nothing wrong, his choices are his and theirs to make


The way they’ve been treated in the UK media lately is disgusting, it reveals the really nasty side of the English culture with it’s arrogance, coldness and unforgiving judgmental nature


I don’t blame Harry for what he did at all, I do believe his wife was very badly treated when she lived in the UK and I’m sure the memory of his mother being literally hounded to death by the media made him want to take her as far away as he could from that into a more welcoming and tolerant culture


Good for him and good for them both

Revelation wrote:

Max Q wrote:

The hatred, outright racism, intolerance and arrogance shown towards Harry and Meghan is pretty nauseating

Same can be said for pretty much any celebrity. All of them get all kinds of nastiness dumped on them.

He has done nothing wrong, his choices are his and theirs to make

Writing a book that takes shots at family members is OK then?

I do believe his wife was very badly treated when she lived in the UK and I’m sure the memory of his mother being literally hounded to death by the media made him want to take her as far away as he could from that into a more welcoming and tolerant culture

Too bad he seems to need to cash in on his celebrity to make ends meet.

A101 wrote:

Max Q wrote:

The hatred, outright racism, intolerance and arrogance shown towards Harry and Meghan is pretty nauseating


No one really seems to be able to clarify what it is they’ve done that is so awful


Harry served his country honorably in combat in Afghanistan placing himself in great danger (unlike his brother) and spent a decade in the army where he had a good reputation

He decided to marry an American woman, leave the Royal family and move to the US

So what ?

He was never going to be king and in any case his royal duties have never been mandatory


We are in 2023 !

Harry seems to be seen as a ‘traitor’ for leaving his Royal life behind, marrying a ‘less than White’ American and moving to the US


He has done nothing wrong, his choices are his and theirs to make


The way they’ve been treated in the UK media lately is disgusting, it reveals the really nasty side of the English culture with it’s arrogance, coldness and unforgiving judgmental nature


I don’t blame Harry for what he did at all, I do believe his wife was very badly treated when she lived in the UK and I’m sure the memory of his mother being literally hounded to death by the media made him want to take her as far away as he could from that into a more welcoming and tolerant culture


Good for him and good for them both

Don’t think people really care that he left the royal family or that Meghan could not handle that is their choice.

But how they have conducted themselves while proclaiming the contributions to his mental health but at the same time using it for financial gain

Max Q wrote:

A101 wrote:

Max Q wrote:

The hatred, outright racism, intolerance and arrogance shown towards Harry and Meghan is pretty nauseating


No one really seems to be able to clarify what it is they’ve done that is so awful


Harry served his country honorably in combat in Afghanistan placing himself in great danger (unlike his brother) and spent a decade in the army where he had a good reputation

He decided to marry an American woman, leave the Royal family and move to the US

So what ?

He was never going to be king and in any case his royal duties have never been mandatory


We are in 2023 !

Harry seems to be seen as a ‘traitor’ for leaving his Royal life behind, marrying a ‘less than White’ American and moving to the US


He has done nothing wrong, his choices are his and theirs to make


The way they’ve been treated in the UK media lately is disgusting, it reveals the really nasty side of the English culture with it’s arrogance, coldness and unforgiving judgmental nature


I don’t blame Harry for what he did at all, I do believe his wife was very badly treated when she lived in the UK and I’m sure the memory of his mother being literally hounded to death by the media made him want to take her as far away as he could from that into a more welcoming and tolerant culture


Good for him and good for them both

Don’t think people really care that he left the royal family or that Meghan could not handle that is their choice.

But how they have conducted themselves while proclaiming the contributions to his mental health but at the same time using it for financial gain

If they don’t care why are they making such a fuss ?

Such a passive aggressive statement

How they have ‘conducted themselves’ by discussing what has happened to them is their choice, why not use it for financial gain after the damage that’s been done to them

bennett123 wrote:

Max Q wrote:

A101 wrote:

Don’t think people really care that he left the royal family or that Meghan could not handle that is their choice.

But how they have conducted themselves while proclaiming the contributions to his mental health but at the same time using it for financial gain

If they don’t care why are they making such a fuss ?

Such a passive aggressive statement

How they have ‘conducted themselves’ by discussing what has happened to them is their choice, why not use it for financial gain after the damage that’s been done to them

Perhaps it is time for them to move on with their lives.

To date, that seems to be the last thing on their minds.