2023 is kicking off to be the year of schadenfreude: Matt Schlapp grabs male staffer by the p#%!s.

Conservative leader Matt Schlapp is accused of fondling a male campaign staffer in Georgia

The Herschel Walker campaign aide said the conservative leader groped him without his consent in October.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... -rcna64563

Here's Herschel Walker's son calling him to resign:

Christian Walker: ‘Predator’ Matt Schlapp Should Resign From CPAC

https://www.thedailybeast.com/christian ... -from-cpac

Here's Milo Yipyapayapado claiming Schlapp was handsy with him in 2016/7, presumably when Milo was not pretending to be straight:

https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status ... r5cAIrFnkw

Oh, yes, I liked this one a lot. Stimulated all the pleasure centers.

It sounds pretty plausible. He's always had a Marcus Bachmann air about him to me, typical closeted gay Republican.

Something I am not understanding:

Republicans say they are accepting and open with homosexuality so why are gay Republican men still in the closet? Aren't they celebrated by Republicans?

He should be Schlapped.

(I'll get my coat...)

He should pull a Santos .. he isn't gay, just gay'ish

Anybody who thinks that men can't be sexually assaulted really needs to listen to the contemporaneous audio that he recorded 2 hours later with his wife. Pain, shame, anger, etc. all play out as some very raw emotions. To me there isn't really a way I can question the veracity of the victim here, because he's so clearly distressed by what just happened that it's disturbing to listen to.

Schlapp needs to be banished for this one.

Apparently despite the rabid conservatism he wasn't a major anti-LGBT figure so he's a bit less of an hypocrite than others. Still a predator, it seems.

bluecrew wrote:

Anybody who thinks that men can't be sexually assaulted really needs to listen to the contemporaneous audio that he recorded 2 hours later with his wife. Pain, shame, anger, etc. all play out as some very raw emotions. To me there isn't really a way I can question the veracity of the victim here, because he's so clearly distressed by what just happened that it's disturbing to listen to.

Schlapp needs to be banished for this one.

Yeah. Happened to me twice at 17 and 28. I've never told anyone directly, so I appreciate these guys coming forward.

SEAorPWM wrote:

bluecrew wrote:

Anybody who thinks that men can't be sexually assaulted really needs to listen to the contemporaneous audio that he recorded 2 hours later with his wife. Pain, shame, anger, etc. all play out as some very raw emotions. To me there isn't really a way I can question the veracity of the victim here, because he's so clearly distressed by what just happened that it's disturbing to listen to.

Schlapp needs to be banished for this one.

Yeah. Happened to me twice at 17 and 28. I've never told anyone directly, so I appreciate these guys coming forward.

I didn't really care much about this because it should be obvious to the average observer that the religious, the GQP Gym Jordan, Matt Gaetz crowd are unquestionably the cringiest sexual creeps out there, they have no problem with rapist rights, all these sex abuse of children are from Red States - for a reason, their politicians have dog-whistled that 'certain things' a o-k.

Even forcing young female rape victims to have the rapist' kid...fn sick!


I just heard the aide's recording...and it is unnerving. He's really shook up about it and rightfully so.

Schlapp needs to feel the same heat as Anthony Weiner and worse, right now! He physically assaulted this man. and like Harvey Weinstein, using his position of power to pressure this kid.

It's I can't stand Herschel Dumbass Walker or anyone connected to him, but this has to seen as if 'Gosar or some other creep goosed some young woman'..but it's dude.
Left to the own devices, the GQP forget about by Thursday...meanwhile, this Republican victim will get more assistance to deal with this and. bring some heat to his cause from the Dems than his own party. Period.

There you go sexual assault is 'o-k'....with that crowd.


BN747

BN747 wrote:

, they have no problem with rapist rights, all these sex abuse of children are from Red States - for a reason, their politicians have dog-whistled that 'certain things' a o-k.

7 out of the top 10 most sex offending states are blue.

https://mapsexoffenders.com/states-most ... offenders/

Redd wrote:

BN747 wrote:

, they have no problem with rapist rights, all these sex abuse of children are from Red States - for a reason, their politicians have dog-whistled that 'certain things' a o-k.

7 out of the top 10 most sex offending states are blue.

https://mapsexoffenders.com/states-most ... offenders/

And the top 3 are New York, California, and Texas.

Come on, don't be lazy. That article is ridiculous and the point is spurious. And it appears the point of your post is to help launder Schlapp's sexual assault?

bluecrew wrote:

Redd wrote:

BN747 wrote:

, they have no problem with rapist rights, all these sex abuse of children are from Red States - for a reason, their politicians have dog-whistled that 'certain things' a o-k.

7 out of the top 10 most sex offending states are blue.

https://mapsexoffenders.com/states-most ... offenders/

And the top 3 are New York, California, and Texas.

Come on, don't be lazy. That article is ridiculous and the point is spurious. And it appears the point of your post is to help launder Schlapp's sexual assault?

My point was to correct someone else's mistake, people seem to write things they make up in their heads, pass it off as facts because they seem to feel that it should be that way. Just doing my part to keep it honest.

Please don't hesitate to analyze that and tell me what I meant by writing it. I'm interested.

Redd wrote:

bluecrew wrote:

Redd wrote:

7 out of the top 10 most sex offending states are blue.

https://mapsexoffenders.com/states-most ... offenders/

And the top 3 are New York, California, and Texas.

Come on, don't be lazy. That article is ridiculous and the point is spurious. And it appears the point of your post is to help launder Schlapp's sexual assault?

My point was to correct someone else's mistake, people seem to write things they make up in their heads, pass it off as facts because they seem to feel that it should be that way. Just doing my part to keep it honest.

Please don't hesitate to analyze that and tell me what I meant by writing it. I'm interested.

Okay, sure, maybe I was not being fair.

The source leaves a lot to be desired. It's putting per capita numbers in there inconsistently, and counting total offenders, which is why it reads like a list of "top 15 states by population," and the "most sex offending states" end up Texas, NY, and California.

It was clearly written as clickbait - you can easily tell by the domain name as well, so I have significant issues with the source, which obviously led me to question the motivation.

Redd wrote:

bluecrew wrote:

Redd wrote:

7 out of the top 10 most sex offending states are blue.

https://mapsexoffenders.com/states-most ... offenders/

And the top 3 are New York, California, and Texas.

Come on, don't be lazy. That article is ridiculous and the point is spurious. And it appears the point of your post is to help launder Schlapp's sexual assault?

My point was to correct someone else's mistake, people seem to write things they make up in their heads, pass it off as facts because they seem to feel that it should be that way. Just doing my part to keep it honest.

Please don't hesitate to analyze that and tell me what I meant by writing it. I'm interested.

I don't think it is because of Red or Blue those three states have the most population so it would make sense that there may be more sex offenses.

NIKV69 wrote:

Redd wrote:

bluecrew wrote:

And the top 3 are New York, California, and Texas.

Come on, don't be lazy. That article is ridiculous and the point is spurious. And it appears the point of your post is to help launder Schlapp's sexual assault?

My point was to correct someone else's mistake, people seem to write things they make up in their heads, pass it off as facts because they seem to feel that it should be that way. Just doing my part to keep it honest.

Please don't hesitate to analyze that and tell me what I meant by writing it. I'm interested.

I don't think it is because of Red or Blue those three states have the most population so it would make sense that there may be more sex offenses.

Nick!
Finally you and I agree on something!

NIKV69 wrote:

Redd wrote:

bluecrew wrote:

And the top 3 are New York, California, and Texas.

Come on, don't be lazy. That article is ridiculous and the point is spurious. And it appears the point of your post is to help launder Schlapp's sexual assault?

My point was to correct someone else's mistake, people seem to write things they make up in their heads, pass it off as facts because they seem to feel that it should be that way. Just doing my part to keep it honest.

Please don't hesitate to analyze that and tell me what I meant by writing it. I'm interested.

I don't think it is because of Red or Blue those three states have the most population so it would make sense that there may be more sex offenses.

You are correct. Plus, sex offender laws can vary greatly from one state to the next.

Being a massive closet case also always does not equal being a creep like we're dealing with here.

Redd wrote:

bluecrew wrote:

Redd wrote:

7 out of the top 10 most sex offending states are blue.

https://mapsexoffenders.com/states-most ... offenders/

And the top 3 are New York, California, and Texas.

Come on, don't be lazy. That article is ridiculous and the point is spurious. And it appears the point of your post is to help launder Schlapp's sexual assault?

My point was to correct someone else's mistake, people seem to write things they make up in their heads, pass it off as facts because they seem to feel that it should be that way. Just doing my part to keep it honest.

Please don't hesitate to analyze that and tell me what I meant by writing it. I'm interested.

Easy!

Usually sexual creeps are religious people or back sliding religious people (push come to shove, they're wll the Jesus schtick) therefore, that kind of person is usually a Republican or Conservative.
New York and California has millions of those...Texas, no comment.



BN747

Redd wrote:

bluecrew wrote:

Redd wrote:

7 out of the top 10 most sex offending states are blue.

https://mapsexoffenders.com/states-most ... offenders/

And the top 3 are New York, California, and Texas.

Come on, don't be lazy. That article is ridiculous and the point is spurious. And it appears the point of your post is to help launder Schlapp's sexual assault?

My point was to correct someone else's mistake, people seem to write things they make up in their heads, pass it off as facts because they seem to feel that it should be that way. Just doing my part to keep it honest.

Please don't hesitate to analyze that and tell me what I meant by writing it. I'm interested.

Easy!

Usually sexual creeps are religious people or back sliding religious people (push come to shove, they're wll the Jesus schtick) therefore, that kind of person is usually a Republican or Conservative.
People who do everything humanly possible to not think about their sexual urges, desires or needs...sexual repression can only go on for so long.
New York and California has millions of those...Texas, no comment.



BN747

Redd wrote:

BN747 wrote:

, they have no problem with rapist rights, all these sex abuse of children are from Red States - for a reason, their politicians have dog-whistled that 'certain things' a o-k.

7 out of the top 10 most sex offending states are blue.

https://mapsexoffenders.com/states-most ... offenders/

mapofsexoffenders dot com sounds legit

Lol ok House of Hastert.

bluecrew wrote:

Redd wrote:

bluecrew wrote:

And the top 3 are New York, California, and Texas.

Come on, don't be lazy. That article is ridiculous and the point is spurious. And it appears the point of your post is to help launder Schlapp's sexual assault?

My point was to correct someone else's mistake, people seem to write things they make up in their heads, pass it off as facts because they seem to feel that it should be that way. Just doing my part to keep it honest.

Please don't hesitate to analyze that and tell me what I meant by writing it. I'm interested.

Okay, sure, maybe I was not being fair.

The source leaves a lot to be desired. It's putting per capita numbers in there inconsistently, and counting total offenders, which is why it reads like a list of "top 15 states by population," and the "most sex offending states" end up Texas, NY, and California.

It was clearly written as clickbait - you can easily tell by the domain name as well, so I have significant issues with the source, which obviously led me to question the motivation.

I didn't have an ulterior motive, just to be clear. Had not heard of Schlapp until this thread. I was only interested in a particular statement, which was, in essence, that rape and child molestation happens exclusively in red states.

BN747 wrote:

Easy!

Usually sexual creeps are religious people or back sliding religious people (push come to shove, they're wll the Jesus schtick) therefore, that kind of person is usually a Republican or Conservative.
People who do everything humanly possible to not think about their sexual urges, desires or needs...sexual repression can only go on for so long.
New York and California has millions of those...Texas, no comment.

BN747

It's been a while since I've lived in the states, but I live in a very catholic country. Sex or urges aren't really suppressed here, rapes are just about the lowest in Europe, and Poland is among the most religious countries in Europe, so where is the religious correlation?



I think religion can play a small part in these sorts of instances of sexual repression, but in the statistics it just doesn't carry over. I'm more on the line of it being a cultural thing. America is violent and extreme in many regards. Just take a look at your list of serial killers compared to any other country in the world, it's staggering.

Redd wrote:

BN747 wrote:

Easy!

Usually sexual creeps are religious people or back sliding religious people (push come to shove, they're wll the Jesus schtick) therefore, that kind of person is usually a Republican or Conservative.
People who do everything humanly possible to not think about their sexual urges, desires or needs...sexual repression can only go on for so long.
New York and California has millions of those...Texas, no comment.

BN747

It's been a while since I've lived in the states, but I live in a very catholic country. Sex or urges aren't really suppressed here, rapes are just about the lowest in Europe, and Poland is among the most religious countries in Europe, so where is the religious correlation?



I think religion can play a small part in these sorts of instances of sexual repression, but in the statistics it just doesn't carry over. I'm more on the line of it being a cultural thing. America is violent and extreme in many regards. Just take a look at your list of serial killers compared to any other country in the world, it's staggering.

Countries like Ireland, Spain, or Portugal seem to have moved on with most European countries with it comes to sexuality (including LGBT); however, countries like Poland and Italy still oppress/shun their LGBT citizens, so I'm not sure if closeted men from these countries manage themselves better around other guys, or if the data is not being captured (Italy is curiously absent).

That said, I'm curious about Italy given that they share the same propensity for religious indoctrination and extremism the US has. It's pretty common to hear about gay couples getting attacked and 14 year old gay boys jumping off buildings in Rome due to their sexuality. This is fairly uncommon even in most large US cities in 2023.

Redd wrote:

It's been a while since I've lived in the states, but I live in a very catholic country. Sex or urges aren't really suppressed here, rapes are just about the lowest in Europe, and Poland is among the most religious countries in Europe, so where is the religious correlation?

Apply a bit of critical thinking: Is rape really 46 times more prevalent in the UK than Poland, or maybe it has something to do with the way rapes are or are not reported, or how policing works, in each country?

Redd wrote:

BN747 wrote:

Easy!

Usually sexual creeps are religious people or back sliding religious people (push come to shove, they're wll the Jesus schtick) therefore, that kind of person is usually a Republican or Conservative.
People who do everything humanly possible to not think about their sexual urges, desires or needs...sexual repression can only go on for so long.
New York and California has millions of those...Texas, no comment.

BN747

It's been a while since I've lived in the states, but I live in a very catholic country. Sex or urges aren't really suppressed here, rapes are just about the lowest in Europe, and Poland is among the most religious countries in Europe, so where is the religious correlation?



I think religion can play a small part in these sorts of instances of sexual repression, but in the statistics it just doesn't carry over. I'm more on the line of it being a cultural thing. America is violent and extreme in many regards. Just take a look at your list of serial killers compared to any other country in the world, it's staggering.

I thought you lived in Canada?

Redd wrote:

It's been a while since I've lived in the states, but I live in a very catholic country. Sex or urges aren't really suppressed here, rapes are just about the lowest in Europe, and Poland is among the most religious countries in Europe, so where is the religious correlation? I think religion can play a small part in these sorts of instances of sexual repression, but in the statistics it just doesn't carry over. I'm more on the line of it being a cultural thing. America is violent and extreme in many regards. Just take a look at your list of serial killers compared to any other country in the world, it's staggering.

One of the things we overlook here is that these statistics rely on reported cases, and do not necessarily reflect the number of incidents in a particular country or area. Just like hetrosexual rape, some cultures blame the victim more than others, which can skew all the statistics.

leader1 wrote:

I thought you lived in Canada?

Maybe not this week...

Redd wrote:

BN747 wrote:

Easy!

Usually sexual creeps are religious people or back sliding religious people (push come to shove, they're wll the Jesus schtick) therefore, that kind of person is usually a Republican or Conservative.
People who do everything humanly possible to not think about their sexual urges, desires or needs...sexual repression can only go on for so long.
New York and California has millions of those...Texas, no comment.

BN747

It's been a while since I've lived in the states, but I live in a very catholic country. Sex or urges aren't really suppressed here, rapes are just about the lowest in Europe, and Poland is among the most religious countries in Europe, so where is the religious correlation?



I think religion can play a small part in these sorts of instances of sexual repression, but in the statistics it just doesn't carry over. I'm more on the line of it being a cultural thing. America is violent and extreme in many regards. Just take a look at your list of serial killers compared to any other country in the world, it's staggering.

And the reason why that is? Do you know?



It's because the attitude on sex is a galaxy away from Americans (which spreads throughout both continents..especially the Catholic ones.

But I must say this about the Latin Catholic nations. They believe in repenting/sinning/repenting in rote fashion..because they really believe that BS.
Having said that, I'd bet anything that Catholic communities hold the pervert priest.

The submissive and surrender of admissions is far more free flowing than in not Latin church communities, Asians too.

But Americans, although many who attend, they also gotten wiser as followers..I bet Pastors and priests at this time are getting far more complex questions about matters beyond their purview vs the old days when no one pressed a pastor or priest on much of anything.

But the Religious Right and the Southern Baptist Church along with Catholics are swimming in the most sexually retarded instructions, attitudes, repression and a whole bunch of adjectives when F's up the human mind trying 'fit in' and be like everyone else. Europeans are mord mature about hooking up. Americans have to lie like no tomorrow unless they're drop dead gorgeous or not in search of drop dead gorgeous...just average attracted to average.

With regard to the topic, Schlapp as a political Harvey Weinstein,
This isn't his first time.
Like Weinstein, he's has no attractive qualities..so in every work environment where the rules are dodgy, working as an intern in Entertainment, Politics, Finance...the holder of power like Schlapp
will go there. They get tired of being rejected watching everyone else 'live it up'.

The Despicable Madison Cawthorn did speak one truth - the cocaine, sex party spill..ummmm yeah, he wasn't lying about that in the slightest.
His error was thinking he could blow the whole thing open..but they already that no one will believe him anyway.

The Press knows about these private matters..but they rightfully leave it alone. The public doesn't need to know recreational details - unless, they're hypocrites on a subject
voting against gay rights (I'm sure Schlapp did so proudly) but doing deep gay when no one's watching.




America does need to catch up to European thought on sexual nature.

BN747

BN747 wrote:

Redd wrote:

BN747 wrote:

Easy!

Usually sexual creeps are religious people or back sliding religious people (push come to shove, they're wll the Jesus schtick) therefore, that kind of person is usually a Republican or Conservative.
People who do everything humanly possible to not think about their sexual urges, desires or needs...sexual repression can only go on for so long.
New York and California has millions of those...Texas, no comment.

BN747

It's been a while since I've lived in the states, but I live in a very catholic country. Sex or urges aren't really suppressed here, rapes are just about the lowest in Europe, and Poland is among the most religious countries in Europe, so where is the religious correlation?



I think religion can play a small part in these sorts of instances of sexual repression, but in the statistics it just doesn't carry over. I'm more on the line of it being a cultural thing. America is violent and extreme in many regards. Just take a look at your list of serial killers compared to any other country in the world, it's staggering.

And the reason why that is? Do you know?



It's because the attitude on sex is a galaxy away from Americans (which spreads throughout both continents..especially the Catholic ones.

But I must say this about the Latin Catholic nations. They believe in repenting/sinning/repenting in rote fashion..because they really believe that BS.
Having said that, I'd bet anything that Catholic communities hold the pervert priest.

The submissive and surrender of admissions is far more free flowing than in not Latin church communities, Asians too.

But Americans, although many who attend, they also gotten wiser as followers..I bet Pastors and priests at this time are getting far more complex questions about matters beyond their purview vs the old days when no one pressed a pastor or priest on much of anything.

But the Religious Right and the Southern Baptist Church along with Catholics are swimming in the most sexually retarded instructions, attitudes, repression and a whole bunch of adjectives when F's up the human mind trying 'fit in' and be like everyone else. Europeans are mord mature about hooking up. Americans have to lie like no tomorrow unless they're drop dead gorgeous or not in search of drop dead gorgeous...just average attracted to average.

With regard to the topic, Schlapp as a political Harvey Weinstein,
This isn't his first time.
Like Weinstein, he's has no attractive qualities..so in every work environment where the rules are dodgy, working as an intern in Entertainment, Politics, Finance...the holder of power like Schlapp
will go there. They get tired of being rejected watching everyone else 'live it up'.

The Despicable Madison Cawthorn did speak one truth - the cocaine, sex party spill..ummmm yeah, he wasn't lying about that in the slightest.
His error was thinking he could blow the whole thing open..but they already that no one will believe him anyway.

The Press knows about these private matters..but they rightfully leave it alone. The public doesn't need to know recreational details - unless, they're hypocrites on a subject
voting against gay rights (I'm sure Schlapp did so proudly) but doing deep gay when no one's watching.




America does need to catch up to European thought on sexual nature.

BN747

This map only shows the rate of reported sexual violence for each nation; I find it difficult to extrapolate any conclusions based on how sexually "open" a nation's culture is by looking at it, especially when it comes to LGBT people.

As I have been harping on in these comparisons between the USA and Europe as a whole regarding gay rights, some European countries are still behind most of western Europe and the US.

So to answer your post: not all countries in each continent are equal. Countries like Argentina, Canada, and even the USA are ahead of countries like Italy or Poland regarding gay rights and public perception. How closeted men conduct themselves in those two Catholic European nations I have no idea, but the subject here (regarding Schlapp) should be how homosexuality is suppressed vs. heterosexuality.

SEAorPWM wrote:

BN747 wrote:

Redd wrote:

It's been a while since I've lived in the states, but I live in a very catholic country. Sex or urges aren't really suppressed here, rapes are just about the lowest in Europe, and Poland is among the most religious countries in Europe, so where is the religious correlation?



I think religion can play a small part in these sorts of instances of sexual repression, but in the statistics it just doesn't carry over. I'm more on the line of it being a cultural thing. America is violent and extreme in many regards. Just take a look at your list of serial killers compared to any other country in the world, it's staggering.

And the reason why that is? Do you know?



It's because the attitude on sex is a galaxy away from Americans (which spreads throughout both continents..especially the Catholic ones.

But I must say this about the Latin Catholic nations. They believe in repenting/sinning/repenting in rote fashion..because they really believe that BS.
Having said that, I'd bet anything that Catholic communities hold the pervert priest.

The submissive and surrender of admissions is far more free flowing than in not Latin church communities, Asians too.

But Americans, although many who attend, they also gotten wiser as followers..I bet Pastors and priests at this time are getting far more complex questions about matters beyond their purview vs the old days when no one pressed a pastor or priest on much of anything.

But the Religious Right and the Southern Baptist Church along with Catholics are swimming in the most sexually retarded instructions, attitudes, repression and a whole bunch of adjectives when F's up the human mind trying 'fit in' and be like everyone else. Europeans are mord mature about hooking up. Americans have to lie like no tomorrow unless they're drop dead gorgeous or not in search of drop dead gorgeous...just average attracted to average.

With regard to the topic, Schlapp as a political Harvey Weinstein,
This isn't his first time.
Like Weinstein, he's has no attractive qualities..so in every work environment where the rules are dodgy, working as an intern in Entertainment, Politics, Finance...the holder of power like Schlapp
will go there. They get tired of being rejected watching everyone else 'live it up'.

The Despicable Madison Cawthorn did speak one truth - the cocaine, sex party spill..ummmm yeah, he wasn't lying about that in the slightest.
His error was thinking he could blow the whole thing open..but they already that no one will believe him anyway.

The Press knows about these private matters..but they rightfully leave it alone. The public doesn't need to know recreational details - unless, they're hypocrites on a subject
voting against gay rights (I'm sure Schlapp did so proudly) but doing deep gay when no one's watching.




America does need to catch up to European thought on sexual nature.

BN747

This map only shows the rate of reported sexual violence for each nation; I find it difficult to extrapolate any conclusions based on how sexually "open" a nation's culture is by looking at it, especially when it comes to LGBT people.

As I have been harping on in these comparisons between the USA and Europe as a whole regarding gay rights, some European countries are still behind most of western Europe and the US.

So to answer your post: not all countries in each continent are equal. Countries like Argentina, Canada, and even the USA are ahead of countries like Italy or Poland regarding gay rights and public perception. How closeted men conduct themselves in those two Catholic European nations I have no idea, but the subject here (regarding Schlapp) should be how homosexuality is suppressed vs. heterosexuality.

Your measure of status of certain rights as an indicator is the wrong path to determine actual conduct and behavior.

1.Most rapes/assaults go unreported...there's goes any stats whatsoever.
2.Example - I believe Mexico is on the 'gay rights' list...but those 'new rights' have nothing to do with altering and the long standing mindset of machsimo sexual attitude.
3. Those endless Indian village gang rapes/murder attacks ..why does that keep happening? Why do the police try to avoid involvement when they can. And when perps are caught and prosecuted...it still keeps occurring.
Male sex drive is one the most powerful urges a human can posses...and all do. Til a certain age.
A cultural mindset of male sexuality is not entertained in any finding crunching assault data.

The world does not revolve around 'stats'...reality contributes to those stats them but the actual results are never honestly represented.


BN747

Redd wrote:

It's been a while since I've lived in the states, but I live in a very catholic country. Sex or urges aren't really suppressed here, rapes are just about the lowest in Europe, and Poland is among the most religious countries in Europe, so where is the religious correlation?



I think religion can play a small part in these sorts of instances of sexual repression, but in the statistics it just doesn't carry over. I'm more on the line of it being a cultural thing. America is violent and extreme in many regards. Just take a look at your list of serial killers compared to any other country in the world, it's staggering.

That map is very dubious.

It talks about the crime of rape. In France, this is trialed in a "cour d'assises", with a jury (unlike lower offenses), the procedure takes years and around 700 people are convicted by year. So by 100000 capita that map should show 1 for France, not 25.

Now the number of reports of rape, either to the police, or by poll, or whatever, is very different, but then if it doesn't lead to a conviction, how can you measure it ?

I don't know Poland much but just by the laws passed recently about abortion, that have led to the death of several women, I'd say women are second class citizens, and rapes are simply not reported, why bother if the policeman will just laugh at you ?

leader1 wrote:

Redd wrote:

BN747 wrote:

Easy!

Usually sexual creeps are religious people or back sliding religious people (push come to shove, they're wll the Jesus schtick) therefore, that kind of person is usually a Republican or Conservative.
People who do everything humanly possible to not think about their sexual urges, desires or needs...sexual repression can only go on for so long.
New York and California has millions of those...Texas, no comment.

BN747

It's been a while since I've lived in the states, but I live in a very catholic country. Sex or urges aren't really suppressed here, rapes are just about the lowest in Europe, and Poland is among the most religious countries in Europe, so where is the religious correlation?



I think religion can play a small part in these sorts of instances of sexual repression, but in the statistics it just doesn't carry over. I'm more on the line of it being a cultural thing. America is violent and extreme in many regards. Just take a look at your list of serial killers compared to any other country in the world, it's staggering.

I thought you lived in Canada?

Used to, moved to Poland in 2009.

Aesma wrote:

I don't know Poland much but just by the laws passed recently about abortion, that have led to the death of several women, I'd say women are second class citizens, and rapes are simply not reported, why bother if the policeman will just laugh at you ?

You can try to rationalize it any way you like. It's one of the most popular retorts when it comes to crime. "I bet it just isn't reported".

Women here had rights and participated in the workplace far before most western countries, due to communism. Women pilots, bankers, foremen. My own grandma was a manager in the (at the time) state-owned bank PKO in the 50's. If you're going to try to rape a woman, Poland is probably one of the most dangerous places to do so for a man. Women don't take shit from men here. It's one of the reasons women can feel safe walking through the city alone at 3am. Not something that can be said about most western countries.

The argument of underreported rapes in Poland is moot, but it's convenient for western countries that have much bigger problems with rape, and other crime.

BN747 wrote:

America does need to catch up to European thought on sexual nature.

BN747

It doesn't need to do anything it doesn't want. But the statistics speak for themselves, there is no more violent western nation (including sexual violence) than the USA. You expect other people of other nations to speak openly about how you as an American perceive flaws in their system, but you refuse to speak about your own.

It's an interesting conversation, why so much violence, serial killers, gangs, etc...?. There is something about American culture that isn't right in that regard. I've lived in the states for a year and traveled to just about every state. There are many messed up things about the USA.

Redd wrote:

BN747 wrote:

America does need to catch up to European thought on sexual nature.

BN747

It doesn't need to do anything it doesn't want. But the statistics speak for themselves, there is no more violent western nation (including sexual violence) than the USA. You expect other people of other nations to speak openly about how you as an American perceive flaws in their system, but you refuse to speak about your own.

It's an interesting conversation, why so much violence, serial killers, gangs, etc...?. There is something about American culture that isn't right in that regard. I've lived in the states for a year and traveled to just about every state. There are many messed up things about the USA.

And as American I've been to 41 of the 50 states (AK & HA incl) and you are correct on so much being a mess here, however part of that mess and discounting so easily is where you go wrong.

With so much messed up, how on Earth can someone claim America's a mess but nothing (psychologically) needs to change...is is the warped lessons learned taught/from from poor role models and poor political decisions spread across the country - correction and maturity on the sexual level is a MUST. Pity, with your travels all over America, that particular corner eluded ytou or your are not as in touch with 'understanding America that way. Your opinion in that matter is so lacking ...apparently due to little exposure to the issue over the decades.


BN747

Redd wrote:

It doesn't need to do anything it doesn't want. But the statistics speak for themselves, there is no more violent western nation (including sexual violence) than the USA. You expect other people of other nations to speak openly about how you as an American perceive flaws in their system, but you refuse to speak about your own.

It's an interesting conversation, why so much violence, serial killers, gangs, etc...?. There is something about American culture that isn't right in that regard. I've lived in the states for a year and traveled to just about every state. There are many messed up things about the USA.

And that's great for Europe and Poland but we are talking about the United States of America. Many places make it difficult to convict someone on rape charges. Some people even still believe in the "she had it coming because of that dress" defense. That is stupid, but some men still think that way. Just like some people believe men can not be raped. Some men feel a sense of shame if they are raped or groped so they simply do not report it.

Also, reporting and getting a conviction are two different things. Sure, rape is reported, but does that mean the accused is guilty?

BN747 wrote:

SEAorPWM wrote:

BN747 wrote:

And the reason why that is? Do you know?



It's because the attitude on sex is a galaxy away from Americans (which spreads throughout both continents..especially the Catholic ones.

But I must say this about the Latin Catholic nations. They believe in repenting/sinning/repenting in rote fashion..because they really believe that BS.
Having said that, I'd bet anything that Catholic communities hold the pervert priest.

The submissive and surrender of admissions is far more free flowing than in not Latin church communities, Asians too.

But Americans, although many who attend, they also gotten wiser as followers..I bet Pastors and priests at this time are getting far more complex questions about matters beyond their purview vs the old days when no one pressed a pastor or priest on much of anything.

But the Religious Right and the Southern Baptist Church along with Catholics are swimming in the most sexually retarded instructions, attitudes, repression and a whole bunch of adjectives when F's up the human mind trying 'fit in' and be like everyone else. Europeans are mord mature about hooking up. Americans have to lie like no tomorrow unless they're drop dead gorgeous or not in search of drop dead gorgeous...just average attracted to average.

With regard to the topic, Schlapp as a political Harvey Weinstein,
This isn't his first time.
Like Weinstein, he's has no attractive qualities..so in every work environment where the rules are dodgy, working as an intern in Entertainment, Politics, Finance...the holder of power like Schlapp
will go there. They get tired of being rejected watching everyone else 'live it up'.

The Despicable Madison Cawthorn did speak one truth - the cocaine, sex party spill..ummmm yeah, he wasn't lying about that in the slightest.
His error was thinking he could blow the whole thing open..but they already that no one will believe him anyway.

The Press knows about these private matters..but they rightfully leave it alone. The public doesn't need to know recreational details - unless, they're hypocrites on a subject
voting against gay rights (I'm sure Schlapp did so proudly) but doing deep gay when no one's watching.




America does need to catch up to European thought on sexual nature.

BN747

This map only shows the rate of reported sexual violence for each nation; I find it difficult to extrapolate any conclusions based on how sexually "open" a nation's culture is by looking at it, especially when it comes to LGBT people.

As I have been harping on in these comparisons between the USA and Europe as a whole regarding gay rights, some European countries are still behind most of western Europe and the US.

So to answer your post: not all countries in each continent are equal. Countries like Argentina, Canada, and even the USA are ahead of countries like Italy or Poland regarding gay rights and public perception. How closeted men conduct themselves in those two Catholic European nations I have no idea, but the subject here (regarding Schlapp) should be how homosexuality is suppressed vs. heterosexuality.

Your measure of status of certain rights as an indicator is the wrong path to determine actual conduct and behavior.

1.Most rapes/assaults go unreported...there's goes any stats whatsoever.
2.Example - I believe Mexico is on the 'gay rights' list...but those 'new rights' have nothing to do with altering and the long standing mindset of machsimo sexual attitude.
3. Those endless Indian village gang rapes/murder attacks ..why does that keep happening? Why do the police try to avoid involvement when they can. And when perps are caught and prosecuted...it still keeps occurring.
Male sex drive is one the most powerful urges a human can posses...and all do. Til a certain age.
A cultural mindset of male sexuality is not entertained in any finding crunching assault data.

The world does not revolve around 'stats'...reality contributes to those stats them but the actual results are never honestly represented.


BN747

I'm mainly referring to your last statement about the USA and other nations in the Americas needing to "catch up to European standards on sexuality".
When it comes to LGBT individuals living openly, I would say the US and some nations in SA (Argentina, Colombia) have already surpassed the likes of Italy, Poland, etc...

Redd wrote:

BN747 wrote:

America does need to catch up to European thought on sexual nature.

BN747

It doesn't need to do anything it doesn't want. But the statistics speak for themselves, there is no more violent western nation (including sexual violence) than the USA. You expect other people of other nations to speak openly about how you as an American perceive flaws in their system, but you refuse to speak about your own.

It's an interesting conversation, why so much violence, serial killers, gangs, etc...?. There is something about American culture that isn't right in that regard. I've lived in the states for a year and traveled to just about every state. There are many messed up things about the USA.

I agree the US has an issue with *violence* compared to other western nations, but as an American who is part of this "community", I find it ridiculous that you think *all* European countries are somehow ahead of the US on LGBT rights.
There is no way in hell I would be caught holding hands with another guy in Warsaw, Rome, or Milan; however, I would feel fine doing this in San Francisco, Boston, or here in Seattle. Even Austin, Texas is fairly safe.

SEAorPWM wrote:

Redd wrote:

BN747 wrote:

America does need to catch up to European thought on sexual nature.

BN747

It doesn't need to do anything it doesn't want. But the statistics speak for themselves, there is no more violent western nation (including sexual violence) than the USA. You expect other people of other nations to speak openly about how you as an American perceive flaws in their system, but you refuse to speak about your own.

It's an interesting conversation, why so much violence, serial killers, gangs, etc...?. There is something about American culture that isn't right in that regard. I've lived in the states for a year and traveled to just about every state. There are many messed up things about the USA.

I agree the US has an issue with *violence* compared to other western nations, but as an American who is part of this "community", I find it ridiculous that you think *all* European countries are somehow ahead of the US on LGBT rights.
There is no way in hell I would be caught holding hands with another guy in Warsaw, Rome, or Milan; however, I would feel fine doing this in San Francisco, Boston, or here in Seattle. Even Austin, Texas is fairly safe.

And that's where you're wrong...

I'm talking of male sexuality impulse immaturity attitudes of Americans juxtaposed the maturity level of Europeans...

You are fusing in LGBT rights...well I'll address that for you.
The long standing anti-same sex hatred is born of many things, but sexual ignorance is chief.

It endures because perverted churches preach against it as their sexually retarded, sexually repressive, sexually ignorant bible instructs them to.
I'm 100% certain that European Church services have nothing matching America Mega-Church (criminal scam operations)..
This shit is potent! And it's reach is stratospheric thru generations...passing down the ignorance, just like Racism.

The 13yo French kids' suicide today shines light right on that issye of Hate Ignorance.
Where do you think the bullies who mocked him learned it? Between Matthew Shephard and todays kid...how many have since transpired?

Please don;t confuse the point i'm making about feral male sexuality and LGBT rights...two separate lanes but both affected by my initial point.

BN747

BN747 wrote:

SEAorPWM wrote:

Redd wrote:

It doesn't need to do anything it doesn't want. But the statistics speak for themselves, there is no more violent western nation (including sexual violence) than the USA. You expect other people of other nations to speak openly about how you as an American perceive flaws in their system, but you refuse to speak about your own.

It's an interesting conversation, why so much violence, serial killers, gangs, etc...?. There is something about American culture that isn't right in that regard. I've lived in the states for a year and traveled to just about every state. There are many messed up things about the USA.

I agree the US has an issue with *violence* compared to other western nations, but as an American who is part of this "community", I find it ridiculous that you think *all* European countries are somehow ahead of the US on LGBT rights.
There is no way in hell I would be caught holding hands with another guy in Warsaw, Rome, or Milan; however, I would feel fine doing this in San Francisco, Boston, or here in Seattle. Even Austin, Texas is fairly safe.

And that's where you're wrong...

I'm talking of male sexuality impulse immaturity attitudes of Americans juxtaposed the maturity level of Europeans...

You are fusing in LGBT rights...well I'll address that for you.
The long standing anti-same sex hatred is born of many things, but sexual ignorance is chief.

It endures because perverted churches preach against it as their sexually retarded, sexually repressive, sexually ignorant bible instructs them to.
I'm 100% certain that European Church services have nothing matching America Mega-Church (criminal scam operations)..
This shit is potent! And it's reach is stratospheric thru generations...passing down the ignorance, just like Racism.

The 13yo French kids' suicide today shines light right on that issye of Hate Ignorance.
Where do you think the bullies who mocked him learned it? Between Matthew Shephard and todays kid...how many have since transpired?

Please don;t confuse the point i'm making about feral male sexuality and LGBT rights...two separate lanes but both affected by my initial point.

BN747

Again, you're painting all of Europe with the same brush. I'm certain you will find the same Megachurch LGBT vitriol in Italian and Polish Catholic churches in both cities and small towns.

France, Portugal etc... I would 100% agree with you. The French boy you brought up is at least getting proper attention by the authorities; the Italian boy who killed himself in 2013 only got some media attention and triggered a fight between a popular right wing MP and the only gay MP Italians ever elected (Italy was basically where the US was 1977 with Harvey Milk... in 2013).

SEAorPWM wrote:

BN747 wrote:

SEAorPWM wrote:

I agree the US has an issue with *violence* compared to other western nations, but as an American who is part of this "community", I find it ridiculous that you think *all* European countries are somehow ahead of the US on LGBT rights.
There is no way in hell I would be caught holding hands with another guy in Warsaw, Rome, or Milan; however, I would feel fine doing this in San Francisco, Boston, or here in Seattle. Even Austin, Texas is fairly safe.

And that's where you're wrong...

I'm talking of male sexuality impulse immaturity attitudes of Americans juxtaposed the maturity level of Europeans...

You are fusing in LGBT rights...well I'll address that for you.
The long standing anti-same sex hatred is born of many things, but sexual ignorance is chief.

It endures because perverted churches preach against it as their sexually retarded, sexually repressive, sexually ignorant bible instructs them to.
I'm 100% certain that European Church services have nothing matching America Mega-Church (criminal scam operations)..
This shit is potent! And it's reach is stratospheric thru generations...passing down the ignorance, just like Racism.

The 13yo French kids' suicide today shines light right on that issye of Hate Ignorance.
Where do you think the bullies who mocked him learned it? Between Matthew Shephard and todays kid...how many have since transpired?

Please don;t confuse the point i'm making about feral male sexuality and LGBT rights...two separate lanes but both affected by my initial point.

BN747

Again, you're painting all of Europe with the same brush. I'm certain you will find the same Megachurch LGBT vitriol in Italian and Polish Catholic churches in both cities and small towns.

France, Portugal etc... I would 100% agree with you. The French boy you brought up is at least getting proper attention by the authorities; the Italian boy who killed himself in 2013 only got some media attention and triggered a fight between a popular right wing MP and the only gay MP Italians ever elected (Italy was basically where the US was 1977 with Harvey Milk... in 2013).

You still conflating my general statement of enlightened sexual maturity with the mindsets of those bring gay hate.

I've already explained that. They are two separate issues.
Enlightened attitude is that of sexuality over all, specifically regarding gay sexuality is a who other ball of nonsense (explained above).

Don't conflate hetero sexual attitudes of most Europeans with the acceptance of gay life - two separate issues - the latter being based equal ignorant on both continents (and beyond)
The former is where the divide is discernible.

BN747

SEAorPWM wrote:

I agree the US has an issue with *violence* compared to other western nations, but as an American who is part of this "community", I find it ridiculous that you think *all* European countries are somehow ahead of the US on LGBT rights.
There is no way in hell I would be caught holding hands with another guy in Warsaw, Rome, or Milan; however, I would feel fine doing this in San Francisco, Boston, or here in Seattle. Even Austin, Texas is fairly safe.

Rome and Milan are fine, Naples, not so much. About the US, what about "flyover country" ? That's like half the country's landmass, easily, where gays are mostly in the closet. Ah ah, apparently there is even a movie called that, talking about exactly that : https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3124738/?ref_=tt_urv

Aesma wrote:

SEAorPWM wrote:

I agree the US has an issue with *violence* compared to other western nations, but as an American who is part of this "community", I find it ridiculous that you think *all* European countries are somehow ahead of the US on LGBT rights.
There is no way in hell I would be caught holding hands with another guy in Warsaw, Rome, or Milan; however, I would feel fine doing this in San Francisco, Boston, or here in Seattle. Even Austin, Texas is fairly safe.

Rome and Milan are fine, Naples, not so much. About the US, what about "flyover country" ? That's like half the country's landmass, easily, where gays are mostly in the closet. Ah ah, apparently there is even a movie called that, talking about exactly that : https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3124738/?ref_=tt_urv

That's come a long way in the last ten years though. There are gay bars in Salt Lake City, downtown is quite progressive and young and fun (despite being in Utah) depending on where you go. Love and life find a way. It's no NY/SF/BOS/SEA/etc., but I know a few people there, and they like it!

It's no surprise that if you move to a new city, you're bound to come across *someone* who fled Surprise, AZ, or Ding Dong, TX to move to Boston because they were gay and in Ding Dong that was social suicide. I can really easily think of 4-5 flight attendants and probably 10+ non-industry friends from my time in Boston that this would apply to. It's a remarkably common story in politically progressive cities - the same thing happens in Seattle, Portland, NYC, LA, etc. ad infinitum.

People with means, and without, pack up and leave from places that show they don't like them. Sure, plenty of people get stuck, and I support the ERA, enshrining gay rights into the Civil Rights Act, etc., but a lot of this is self-correcting.

Regardless, this is all off-topic. It's not like Matt Schlapp has spent the last 40 years living in Civil Rights Nightmare, AL. He's been sleazing all over the Republican Party and running CPAC, jetting around the globe, probably to abuse other male staffers. The first one is never the only one.

Aesma wrote:

SEAorPWM wrote:

I agree the US has an issue with *violence* compared to other western nations, but as an American who is part of this "community", I find it ridiculous that you think *all* European countries are somehow ahead of the US on LGBT rights.
There is no way in hell I would be caught holding hands with another guy in Warsaw, Rome, or Milan; however, I would feel fine doing this in San Francisco, Boston, or here in Seattle. Even Austin, Texas is fairly safe.

Rome and Milan are fine, Naples, not so much. About the US, what about "flyover country" ? That's like half the country's landmass, easily, where gays are mostly in the closet. Ah ah, apparently there is even a movie called that, talking about exactly that : https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3124738/?ref_=tt_urv

Comparing Campania and the third largest city in Italy with sparsely populated US states like Montana or Wyoming is a terrible comparison.

Maybe Alabama would be a better comparison... or Texas.

Still, it shows the US and Italy are stuck on the same unfortunate wavelength on the LGBT subject. Maybe we should stop with the comparisons between a single country that is a loose confederation of 50 governments with a whole entire continent.