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MaverickM11 wrote:Florida teachers told to remove books from classroom libraries or risk felony prosecution
https://popular.info/p/florida-teachers ... move-books
"Teachers in Manatee County, Florida, are being told to make their classroom libraries — and any other "unvetted" book — inaccessible to students, or risk felony prosecution. The new policy is part of an effort to comply with new laws and regulations championed by Governor Ron DeSantis (R). It is based on the premise, promoted by right-wing advocacy groups, that teachers and librarians are using books to "groom" students or indoctrinate them with leftist ideologies. "
https://www.salon.com/2023/01/25/sorry- ... m-reading/
"The facts of this situation are straightforward: A Florida law signed by DeSantis requires that every book available to students "must be selected by a school district employee who holds a valid educational media specialist certificate," in most cases, the school librarian. This may sound reasonable on its surface, but as the situation in Manatee County shows, in reality, it's about creating a bottleneck preventing books from getting into the hands of students. Even more importantly, it's about establishing the idea that books are inherently dangerous objects, to the degree that no student can be allowed to handle one without heavy-handed surveillance."
Party o' free speech!
victrola wrote:Keep them dumb, illiterate and Christian extremist. That is the goal of DeSantis. Most of our problems in society come from the fact that we have so many people who don't know how to read and write, not from people who have read "subversive" books. Kids who read, no matter what they read, are not the problem. Please show me the data where children have been psychologically traumatized and their lives ruined because they read a book that had gay characters or contained a sex scene.
FluidFlow wrote:Hitler would be proud...
EDIT: And now I have the scene from Indiana Jones in my head where Dr. Jones Jr. gets his notebook personally signed instead of burned...
phatfarmlines wrote:Gov. DeSantis has committed numerous First Amendment violations, including most recently banning Advanced Placement African-American history high school course since he doesn't like topics on LGBT and prison reform, and also firing the Hillsborough County state attorney over not pursuing gender conversion cases.
Why has this gone unchecked?
This has gone beyond "owning the libs" into insanity.
Is this what he's going to bring to the table in 2024?
DeSantis says Florida rejected new AP course on African American Studies for imposing 'political agenda'
Source: CNN
Judge Declines To Reinstate Florida Prosecutor Gov. DeSantis Fired—At Least For Now
Source: Forbes
SEAorPWM wrote:What's next... will segregation make a comeback? Will gay 10-12th graders start getting expelled?
bennett123 wrote:So the Librarian has to read every book before it goes on the shelf.
What about the books which are already on the shelf?.
flipdewaf wrote:Do you think the bible has been accepted?
Fred
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FluidFlow wrote:flipdewaf wrote:Do you think the bible has been accepted?
Fred
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Probably not, all this inclusion stuff (“Love your neighbor as yourself”) can not be accepted. Also there many very sexually loaded parts that should not be in school, some people even have sex with animals in this horrendous book...
luckyone wrote:FluidFlow wrote:flipdewaf wrote:Do you think the bible has been accepted?
Fred
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Probably not, all this inclusion stuff (“Love your neighbor as yourself”) can not be accepted. Also there many very sexually loaded parts that should not be in school, some people even have sex with animals in this horrendous book...
My favorite saucy bit is that part where a guy watches a woman taking a shower from a rooftop, then sends her husband off to war to be killed, and then seduces the woman and knocks her up.
My second favorite is the gang rape and dismemberment scene.
Then we dined with prostitutes!!!
This was all part of the curriculum in my 7th and 8th grade special topics class.
luckyone wrote:FluidFlow wrote:flipdewaf wrote:Do you think the bible has been accepted?
Fred
Probably not, all this inclusion stuff (“Love your neighbor as yourself”) can not be accepted. Also there many very sexually loaded parts that should not be in school, some people even have sex with animals in this horrendous book...
My favorite saucy bit is that part where a guy watches a woman taking a shower from a rooftop, then sends her husband off to war to be killed, and then seduces the woman and knocks her up.
My second favorite is the gang rape and dismemberment scene.
Then we dined with prostitutes!!!
This was all part of the curriculum in my 7th and 8th grade special topics class.
alfa164 wrote:luckyone wrote:FluidFlow wrote:
Probably not, all this inclusion stuff (“Love your neighbor as yourself”) can not be accepted. Also there many very sexually loaded parts that should not be in school, some people even have sex with animals in this horrendous book...
My favorite saucy bit is that part where a guy watches a woman taking a shower from a rooftop, then sends her husband off to war to be killed, and then seduces the woman and knocks her up.
My second favorite is the gang rape and dismemberment scene.
Then we dined with prostitutes!!!
This was all part of the curriculum in my 7th and 8th grade special topics class.
Was that a part of show-and-tell in those grades?
SRQLOT wrote:From what my friend told me, it’s not just school libraries but also classrooms. Teachers have to cover the books with paper.
If I were a teacher I would ban all books from coming into the classroom including school books. Just a pen and paper and watch movies every class and write a 1 page paper. No homework that way!
Aaron747 wrote:SRQLOT wrote:From what my friend told me, it’s not just school libraries but also classrooms. Teachers have to cover the books with paper.
If I were a teacher I would ban all books from coming into the classroom including school books. Just a pen and paper and watch movies every class and write a 1 page paper. No homework that way!
I'd probably get fired for making my class watch 'Saving Private Ryan', 'Little Miss Sunshine', and then 'Kinky Boots'.
flipdewaf wrote:Aaron747 wrote:SRQLOT wrote:From what my friend told me, it’s not just school libraries but also classrooms. Teachers have to cover the books with paper.
If I were a teacher I would ban all books from coming into the classroom including school books. Just a pen and paper and watch movies every class and write a 1 page paper. No homework that way!
I'd probably get fired for making my class watch 'Saving Private Ryan', 'Little Miss Sunshine', and then 'Kinky Boots'.
I think you’ll find this is the only sanctioned video in these classrooms now.
https://youtu.be/Kppx4bzfAaE
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bennett123 wrote:What is wrong with 'Saving Private Ryan'?.
FluidFlow wrote:flipdewaf wrote:Do you think the bible has been accepted?
Fred
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Probably not, all this inclusion stuff (“Love your neighbor as yourself”) can not be accepted. Also there many very sexually loaded parts that should not be in school, some people even have sex with animals in this horrendous book...
BN747 wrote:...blah, blah, blah...
....It's why progress is s-l-ow in places like Mississippi and rural India/Africa and Asia.
BN747
Francoflier wrote:Ignorant masses are likelier to vote for manipulative politicians... Until they can't vote at all anymore.
Once again, the GOP takes a page from every Autocracy 101 lecture.
-Taking control of and dictating children education programs... working on it
-Taking control of the justice system... in progress
-Taking control of the media and general narrative... The billionaires are on it
-Weakening democratic and electoral processes... check
-Diverting attention from the flourishing plutocracy and eroding democracy by fostering anger over inconsequential social issues... Oh look, over there! A gay! And he wants to take your gun and turn your kid into a Drag Queen!
Francoflier wrote:Ignorant masses are likelier to vote for manipulative politicians... Until they can't vote at all anymore.
Once again, the GOP takes a page from every Autocracy 101 lecture.
-Taking control of and dictating children education programs... working on it
-Taking control of the justice system... in progress
-Taking control of the media and general narrative... The billionaires are on it
-Weakening democratic and electoral processes... check
-Diverting attention from the flourishing plutocracy and eroding democracy by fostering anger over inconsequential social issues... Oh look, over there! A gay! And he wants to take your gun and turn your kid into a Drag Queen!
bluecrew wrote:Francoflier wrote:Ignorant masses are likelier to vote for manipulative politicians... Until they can't vote at all anymore.
Once again, the GOP takes a page from every Autocracy 101 lecture.
-Taking control of and dictating children education programs... working on it
-Taking control of the justice system... in progress
-Taking control of the media and general narrative... The billionaires are on it
-Weakening democratic and electoral processes... check
-Diverting attention from the flourishing plutocracy and eroding democracy by fostering anger over inconsequential social issues... Oh look, over there! A gay! And he wants to take your gun and turn your kid into a Drag Queen!
With a conservative super majority on the Supreme Court, and with the Senate majority focusing on just confirming as many judges as possible during the first 2 years of the Trump admin, I would argue that they've already got the justice system in the bag.
Otherwise all good points. I think the erosion of civic understanding and tendency toward extreme narratives and conspiracy theories has been amplified to the extreme by smartphones and social media, especially when you consider that there's a huuuuge chunk of the US the primarily consumes media on their phones. 40% of Americans believed, on the day of the midterms, that the 2020 election was stolen. 40% of Democrats didn't think the 2000 election was stolen, even after the Brooks Brothers riot.
There's been a huge, undeniable devastation done to democratic institutions, and I'm blaming the phones and social media. I think we are definitely headed towards autocracy, I just haven't figured out what it's gonna look like yet.