Five Memphis police officers have been fired and charged with murder after allegedly beating a young man to death during a traffic stop. The incident was captured on video, which will be released tonight after 6pm local time.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/tyre-n ... index.html

I am not looking forward to watching the video, as it sounds pretty bad. Memphis and other cities are calling in extra officers to brace for the possibility of unrest through the weekend. Atlanta has gone so far as to call in 1,000 National Guard soldiers to be on the ready.

Should have released the video right away. This build up is only negative. Seems like these 5 officers acted in some barbaric way and will go to jail. Also interesting is the talk of passing a law to protect officers who intervene when they see another officer acting like this. No reason for this beating and it seems this was easy to see coming. Total breakdown in procedure. Again not sure why they are releasing the video at end of business on a Friday.

I will back law enforcement any chance I get but things like this make it really difficult. Don't you realize that everything is recorded now, everywhere. So this guy obviously pissed you off, you didn't stop to think, while beating the brakes off this guy, that it might be, I don't know, recorded?

NIKV69 wrote:

Should have released the video right away. This build up is only negative. Seems like these 5 officers acted in some barbaric way and will go to jail. Also interesting is the talk of passing a law to protect officers who intervene when they see another officer acting like this. No reason for this beating and it seems this was easy to see coming. Total breakdown in procedure. Again not sure why they are releasing the video at end of business on a Friday.

I disagree. Releasing the video after the officers have already been charged should help reduce tension and potential violence. Also, if there are going to be riots, best to have them over the weekend when schools are not in session and businesses have a few days to prepare.

TriJets wrote:

I disagree. Releasing the video after the officers have already been charged should help reduce tension and potential violence. Also, if there are going to be riots, best to have them over the weekend when schools are not in session and businesses have a few days to prepare.

If you release it right after the news breaks then it’s already done. Also it forces the police to address it. If charges are in order then you go from there. As for your opinion on riots they thrive on weekends and at night when school is out and people are not working. Just more fuel, release it 9am on a business day and you have a better shot.

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NIKV69 wrote:

Should have released the video right away. This build up is only negative. Seems like these 5 officers acted in some barbaric way and will go to jail. Also interesting is the talk of passing a law to protect officers who intervene when they see another officer acting like this. No reason for this beating and it seems this was easy to see coming. Total breakdown in procedure. Again not sure why they are releasing the video at end of business on a Friday.

What the police did was horrible and should not have ever happened. No excuse what so ever. I do agree with the delay of the video release because Memphis protests have become violent in the past and a lot tend to close down the I 40 bridge into Arkansas and spread from that area. Lots of people live across the bridge that work in downtown and you don't want people trapped in the city. That could lead to other issues in itself.

NIKV69 wrote:

TriJets wrote:

I disagree. Releasing the video after the officers have already been charged should help reduce tension and potential violence. Also, if there are going to be riots, best to have them over the weekend when schools are not in session and businesses have a few days to prepare.

If you release it right after the news breaks then it’s already done. Also it forces the police to address it. If charges are in order then you go from there. As for your opinion on riots they thrive on weekends and at night when school is out and people are not working. Just more fuel, release it 9am on a business day and you have a better shot.

Riots thrive on despair, not idle time. If someone is emotionally charged enough to riot, why would they care about their job?

There’s nothing to despair about now because we know the officers are going to be held to account.

Video has just been released and is pretty horrible IMO. I didn't not watch the whole thing as combined the four videos are over an hour long, but the relevant portions involving the beating are just a few minutes. Basically they were hyper aggressive from the start and jumped on him, he ran, then they kicked him in the head while he was down, picked him up, and one person appeared to hold him up with his hands behind his back while another very large officer punched him very hard in the head several times. Truly horrific and those cops never should see the outside of prison.

When Detroit has a shooting, they release it quite quickly, because they have confidence in their officers' conduct.

CaptHadley wrote:

I will back law enforcement any chance I get but things like this make it really difficult. Don't you realize that everything is recorded now, everywhere. So this guy obviously pissed you off, you didn't stop to think, while beating the brakes off this guy, that it might be, I don't know, recorded?

Or, more importantly, that their actions were wrong and inhumane. If the threat of being recorded is their only mitigating motivation to doing something like this, they absolutely are not worthy to serve on any force.

All I can say is good luck to the five officers getting a fair and impartial jury in Memphis, or anywhere for that matter. Wherever this ends up court wise if there's a guilty verdict the first thing appealed will be the venue. It'll be a long time before this thing is over, the only way it is if they all get plea deals.

The blood sport fashion in which media of all persuasions trumpeted the video release for maximum emotional influence was reprehensible. American messaging is truly lost in terms of ethical values.

Aaron747 wrote:

The blood sport fashion in which media of all persuasions trumpeted the video release for maximum emotional influence was reprehensible. American messaging is truly lost in terms of ethical values.

I had friends texting me if i'm going to watch it, it starts in 15 minutes! It was celebrated like the ball drop in NYC. Haven't watched it nor will I, what's the point? To see some guy get his brains bashed in? From the description you knew it was going to be bad, so why the need to view it? It's all about the ratings baby!!

CaptHadley wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

The blood sport fashion in which media of all persuasions trumpeted the video release for maximum emotional influence was reprehensible. American messaging is truly lost in terms of ethical values.

I had friends texting me if i'm going to watch it, it starts in 15 minutes! It was celebrated like the ball drop in NYC. Haven't watched it nor will I, what's the point? To see some guy get his brains bashed in? From the description you knew it was going to be bad, so why the need to view it? It's all about the ratings baby!!

It’s as if everyone’s rubbernecking on the highway waiting for a slow-mo pileup to begin. Except the societal cancer already started eating everything, so they can’t help themselves.

CaptHadley wrote:

All I can say is good luck to the five officers getting a fair and impartial jury in Memphis, or anywhere for that matter. Wherever this ends up court wise if there's a guilty verdict the first thing appealed will be the venue. It'll be a long time before this thing is over, the only way it is if they all get plea deals.

Notice the deafening silence from the Police Unions, always front and center for every white officer involved in a Black brutal beating/killing...silence.

I have to question, where these five sadistic brutal thugs savagely beating a skinny white teen...would officer taser 'I hope they stomp the shit out of him'...would he have said and stood by as he did here - were a white victim a traffic violator and taking this kind pummeling?

No, he wouldn't...and neither would the fat bad ass bastard cops wailing on this frail young Black man....not a white victim, not a chance in hell.

Why?

Because what is here in plain view (the video) is result of the history of Racism's rewarding spinoff. Black self-Hatred.

Were I their attorneys that would be the heart of my case. A mentality that was inbred in the Black psyche since enslaved.

You are worth nothing. Your life is worth nothin'. Your mother, father, kids are worth nothing....less than nothing.
from the slave provided entertainment of Battle Royales (Slaves goaded into brutal no rules fist fights by slave owners placing bets to the Cake Wake contest - look it up)
And powering forward, all the events sending clear messages of 'You are worth nothing' from all the black communities destroyed because of their self-sustaining communities were thriving and prospering while white communities suffered economic ups and downs - see pre- Wall Street and post attacks. (only Americans bombed from the air) to Einsenhowers great 1950s
interstate network project slamming down elevated highways destroying nearly every prospering Black community in it's path.
Diving Black families and communities since their arrival til the late 20th century.

Those are undisputed facts of a side of American life, the Black side.

Now given the position of authority, police...it is without question every black officer is made to understand his handling of White suspects. Very clear.

Black suspects?

..just follow the White officers lead.

It is easier to beat down your own when the system tolerates and or endorses it.

Whites can say 'they're so angry and violent...well if that were your history, you would be as accommodating either.

Black Self-Hatred (also Latino & Asian versions exist as well) is their best legal defense. Nothing else they come up will hold water.
They must pay for what these criminals did to this young man, but history can aid in explaining their own savage brutal act of inhumanity upon one of their own when EVERYONE knows that could NEVER be a white victim receiving those vicious blows.

Fortunately, none of them are that intelligent to craft that strategy and their attorneys ..not that enlightened to make the timeline connection of human devaluation.

BN747

I won't watch the main parts of the video, I just can't watch someone getting killed.
I think a 1 area that need to be looked at as to law enforcement officers is the recruitment of persons who served in the military forces, in particular if served in combat roles in Iraq and Afghanistan. Modern military combat is against civilians, terrorists, who have used guerilla tactics and bombs (like IED's) that trains too many into being fearful of anyone but their own fellow troops.That leads to a mentality as LEO's.of shoot first, ask questions later.

BN747 wrote:

Were I their attorneys that would be the heart of my case. A mentality that was inbred in the Black psyche since enslaved.

You are worth nothing. Your life is worth nothin'. Your mother, father, kids are worth nothing....less than nothing.

Psychologically that may indeed be true for many black Americans, but the argument itself is a blunt object lacking nuance. That's not going to win with a jury. Even with an all-black jury, there would be members who categorically accept and completely REJECT such a notion. Further, it's unprovable in court.

The prosecution's argument will be: these officers were trained to do a job properly, and didn't. They made an example of this troubled young man, and callously exercised deadly force in a manner unbefitting the interaction.

Aaron747 wrote:

BN747 wrote:

Were I their attorneys that would be the heart of my case. A mentality that was inbred in the Black psyche since enslaved.

You are worth nothing. Your life is worth nothin'. Your mother, father, kids are worth nothing....less than nothing.

Psychologically that may indeed be true for many black Americans, but the argument itself is a blunt object lacking nuance. That's not going to win with a jury. Even with an all-black jury, there would be members who categorically accept and completely REJECT such a notion. Further, it's unprovable in court.

The prosecution's argument will be: these officers were trained to do a job properly, and didn't. They made an example of this troubled young man, and callously exercised deadly force in a manner unbefitting the interaction.

The prosecution won't have to work that hard..the defense will try the 'pre-existing ailment was the contributing cause of death'...

BN747

BN747 wrote:

CaptHadley wrote:

All I can say is good luck to the five officers getting a fair and impartial jury in Memphis, or anywhere for that matter. Wherever this ends up court wise if there's a guilty verdict the first thing appealed will be the venue. It'll be a long time before this thing is over, the only way it is if they all get plea deals.

Notice the deafening silence from the Police Unions, always front and center for every white officer involved in a Black brutal beating/killing...silence.

I have to question, where these five sadistic brutal thugs savagely beating a skinny white teen...would officer taser 'I hope they stomp the shit out of him'...would he have said and stood by as he did here - were a white victim a traffic violator and taking this kind pummeling?

No, he wouldn't...and neither would the fat bad ass bastard cops wailing on this frail young Black man....not a white victim, not a chance in hell.

Why?

Because what is here in plain view (the video) is result of the history of Racism's rewarding spinoff. Black self-Hatred.

Were I their attorneys that would be the heart of my case. A mentality that was inbred in the Black psyche since enslaved.

You are worth nothing. Your life is worth nothin'. Your mother, father, kids are worth nothing....less than nothing.
from the slave provided entertainment of Battle Royales (Slaves goaded into brutal no rules fist fights by slave owners placing bets to the Cake Wake contest - look it up)
And powering forward, all the events sending clear messages of 'You are worth nothing' from all the black communities destroyed because of their self-sustaining communities were thriving and prospering while white communities suffered economic ups and downs - see pre- Wall Street and post attacks. (only Americans bombed from the air) to Einsenhowers great 1950s
interstate network project slamming down elevated highways destroying nearly every prospering Black community in it's path.
Diving Black families and communities since their arrival til the late 20th century.

Those are undisputed facts of a side of American life, the Black side.

Now given the position of authority, police...it is without question every black officer is made to understand his handling of White suspects. Very clear.

Black suspects?

..just follow the White officers lead.

It is easier to beat down your own when the system tolerates and or endorses it.

Whites can say 'they're so angry and violent...well if that were your history, you would be as accommodating either.

Black Self-Hatred (also Latino & Asian versions exist as well) is their best legal defense. Nothing else they come up will hold water.
They must pay for what these criminals did to this young man, but history can aid in explaining their own savage brutal act of inhumanity upon one of their own when EVERYONE knows that could NEVER be a white victim receiving those vicious blows.

Fortunately, none of them are that intelligent to craft that strategy and their attorneys ..not that enlightened to make the timeline connection of human devaluation.

BN747

I think it is a bit more complex than this. There were over 300 homicides in Memphis last year. Memphis is a city that is majority black. Black people disproportionately make up both homicide victims and offenders in the US. These officers likely have responded to countless homicides in their careers and have seen countless men like Tyre as victims and as offenders. The constant exposure to violence involving young black men likely dehumanized people like Tyre to the officers, even though the officers are black men themselves.

BN747 wrote:

Notice the deafening silence from the Police Unions, always front and center for every white officer involved in a Black brutal beating/killing...silence.

Memphis has a large African-American population, and thus I would expect the police force to have similar demographics. The unions not responding is more likely that the video captured the officer's actions not authorized by official procedures.

phatfarmlines wrote:

BN747 wrote:

Notice the deafening silence from the Police Unions, always front and center for every white officer involved in a Black brutal beating/killing...silence.

Memphis has a large African-American population, and thus I would expect the police force to have similar demographics. The unions not responding is more likely that the video captured the officer's actions not authorized by official procedures.

Right…I read somewhere that the police department there is over 60% black, the police chief is black, the mayor is black, etc. Additionally, a lot of the times police unions have spoken up recently have been when officers were unfairly accused of brutality or racism with false narratives pushed heavily before any facts could emerge.

How is it that 5 Cops can't arrest someone without killing them.

TriJets wrote:

BN747 wrote:

CaptHadley wrote:

All I can say is good luck to the five officers getting a fair and impartial jury in Memphis, or anywhere for that matter. Wherever this ends up court wise if there's a guilty verdict the first thing appealed will be the venue. It'll be a long time before this thing is over, the only way it is if they all get plea deals.

Notice the deafening silence from the Police Unions, always front and center for every white officer involved in a Black brutal beating/killing...silence.

I have to question, where these five sadistic brutal thugs savagely beating a skinny white teen...would officer taser 'I hope they stomp the shit out of him'...would he have said and stood by as he did here - were a white victim a traffic violator and taking this kind pummeling?

No, he wouldn't...and neither would the fat bad ass bastard cops wailing on this frail young Black man....not a white victim, not a chance in hell.

Why?

Because what is here in plain view (the video) is result of the history of Racism's rewarding spinoff. Black self-Hatred.

Were I their attorneys that would be the heart of my case. A mentality that was inbred in the Black psyche since enslaved.

You are worth nothing. Your life is worth nothin'. Your mother, father, kids are worth nothing....less than nothing.
from the slave provided entertainment of Battle Royales (Slaves goaded into brutal no rules fist fights by slave owners placing bets to the Cake Wake contest - look it up)
And powering forward, all the events sending clear messages of 'You are worth nothing' from all the black communities destroyed because of their self-sustaining communities were thriving and prospering while white communities suffered economic ups and downs - see pre- Wall Street and post attacks. (only Americans bombed from the air) to Einsenhowers great 1950s
interstate network project slamming down elevated highways destroying nearly every prospering Black community in it's path.
Diving Black families and communities since their arrival til the late 20th century.

Those are undisputed facts of a side of American life, the Black side.

Now given the position of authority, police...it is without question every black officer is made to understand his handling of White suspects. Very clear.

Black suspects?

..just follow the White officers lead.

It is easier to beat down your own when the system tolerates and or endorses it.

Whites can say 'they're so angry and violent...well if that were your history, you would be as accommodating either.

Black Self-Hatred (also Latino & Asian versions exist as well) is their best legal defense. Nothing else they come up will hold water.
They must pay for what these criminals did to this young man, but history can aid in explaining their own savage brutal act of inhumanity upon one of their own when EVERYONE knows that could NEVER be a white victim receiving those vicious blows.

Fortunately, none of them are that intelligent to craft that strategy and their attorneys ..not that enlightened to make the timeline connection of human devaluation.

BN747

I think it is a bit more complex than this. There were over 300 homicides in Memphis last year. Memphis is a city that is majority black. Black people disproportionately make up both homicide victims and offenders in the US. These officers likely have responded to countless homicides in their careers and have seen countless men like Tyre as victims and as offenders. The constant exposure to violence involving young black men likely dehumanized people like Tyre to the officers, even though the officers are black men themselves.

I know the demographics, not only that Morgan Freeman's cousin is a Memphis native with who I worked with at a film studio a while back and we'd talk about her city's history quite a bit.
But on the surface, looking at that demographic,one would think the huge Black representation would not allow this to occur ..but look at other large cities with predominantly Black with is same problem with Black cops - Baltimore/Freddie Gray, mostly Black cops, Philadelphia all these cities have this problem.

Gang infiltration runs deep in all these areas and those are Black and Latino gangs behind it...and we are using 1930s AL Capone gangland style attacks in 2023 - nothing has evolved in Police tactics other than a heavy hand in attempting to maintain order - yes, heavy is the language gang members expect and it is exactly what they deserve.

And to them it's cat and mouse with bullets flying and innocent bystanders taking the literal fall.

Even having Black police Chiefs and other administrators does not make 'behavior' tolerated long before they got there - to instantly change minds, before them you had 10s of white Police chiefs, admins who didn't give a damn, these current crop of Black police honchos are the best to get down and dirty in these gang infested cities to iron that trouble out..but that will take 10s of them to erase the harmful mentalities in place from all the past leaders who just gaffed it off.

The Memphis Chief, set the standard..she moved expeditiously to take these clowns out, no due process and let's wait for the facts bullshit..she did what every prior similar case should have done as soon as videos.body cams showed in excessive aggressive police act over a stupid, simplistic traffic stop.
This gang task force has no business making traffic stops of this kind because in their minds every Black driver is a potential gang member, they adopted the outlook held by the white officers beforre they ever took over and maintain it just as this case has shown.

This case has sent signals to every Black police officer in every city (but most imporatntly..the large or majority Black police forces) for example...

Awhile ago, I had to call the cops on a tenant who has lost his young mind due to a string of unfortunates from an abusive mother thru many relationships and add a healthy dose of post-Covid crazy.
I don't like calling the cops on anyone and probably done so in 20+ years of living here. You can't assault someone for being nuts, but you can if they come at you but this was not the case it was just get him to settle the hell down so people could be at ease in their home.

The two BHPD officers showed up were a Black man and a Black woman...as the drove up, they past me as I was waving them down along the curbside. A few feet later they stopped and got out.
I asked if a certain office happen to be on duty?
The woman responded in the negative.

The Black male struck a doubting posture and asked, "You live here?"

20+ years ..as he realized where he was 20 years ago, JV string or Pop Warner league football.

Anyhow nothing happen, the disturbed slipped away.

When he returned, I stood in near entrance and watched him enter and close his door.

I called again, this time, after reminding the the dispatcher of my earlier call but I added : Should the two officers who were here earlier make the call here again, please ask them to act as if they are addressing a long time resident, white adult male as I've seen them do over the years..the dispatcher asked to repeat myself..aand I did, she apologized..and when they returned, thet were all 'good evening sir, blah blah blah" very courteous unlike the first encounter.

I repeated that encounter to a senior officer I know the next day and (he's white) he said..'Well a teachable moment, wouldn't you agree?' He got me.
Were that LAPD Hollywood division who knows how that would have turned out - if they even showed up the first time - doubtful from what I hear.

Point is, a dismissive attitude from a minority in power comes easily aimed at another minority, they know their standing and yours in your lower social rank.

The behaviors of these ruthless thugs is not unusual, I believe some like them exist on every police force with minorities including the blatant FUBAR that is Uvalde.

This goes deeper than many of you care to know but that toxic mentality has a solid history behind it and this one case will not dimish it one bit..sure for a moment now the smarter Bad minority cops are going to dial it down a bit til this storm blows over.

Lets see the Police Union rep these guys, any GoFundme help, HA! From DeSantis and Trump maybe... just maybe.
But nearly every cop from Michael Brown's killing were able to collect via GoFundme even the Kentucky GOP played the Breonna Taylor killing bodycam footage at fundraiser last week,

This mentality is very very real and unfortunately a reality that will continue to go unnotice by casual observers who are reading this (at lease some of you may benefit , knowledge wise- from what I've shared versus my never bringing this angle to the discussion. Maybe none of you care, but I've seen a few here do and given A.net's past reflection (comments on similar matters past)..I'm impressed at how some members have paid attention are more sensitive than in that past.

But know that Bad policing Black/white and everything else has a far longer history than the history of good policing and unfortunately a lot of 'good policing has gone largely unnoticed.
Just as Mayor Karen Bass is taking on homelessness in a massive campaign, she is taking the bull by the horns and dealing with it, maybe she'll set the model for others should she be successful...those Black Chiefs you mentioned earlier, they going need time and they understand the minds of the Black criminal element far better than their previous office holders - they grew up in it. Think of all that inner city strife as little Haiti's everywhere - they are about that bad and unmanageable...but it will take Intelligent policing, outsmarting the criminals, and the Black officers who grew up in all that are now paying very close attention to how this has all gone down..but they are now under the spotlight light to level up in their attitudes toward their own kind.
They want respect from the community, then give it..especially to the ones who just trying to survive, they can be useful if you give them the chance but Black cops must engage them to find out who's with them and who is against them. That is intelliigent policing...not looping everyone into one basket.


BN747

TriJets wrote:

phatfarmlines wrote:

BN747 wrote:

Notice the deafening silence from the Police Unions, always front and center for every white officer involved in a Black brutal beating/killing...silence.

Memphis has a large African-American population, and thus I would expect the police force to have similar demographics. The unions not responding is more likely that the video captured the officer's actions not authorized by official procedures.

Right…I read somewhere that the police department there is over 60% black, the police chief is black, the mayor is black, etc. Additionally, a lot of the times police unions have spoken up recently have been when officers were unfairly accused of brutality or racism with false narratives pushed heavily before any facts could emerge.

The Memphis city mayor, Jim Strickland, is white. The county mayor, Lee Harris, is black.

BowlingShoeDC9 wrote:

TriJets wrote:

phatfarmlines wrote:

Memphis has a large African-American population, and thus I would expect the police force to have similar demographics. The unions not responding is more likely that the video captured the officer's actions not authorized by official procedures.

Right…I read somewhere that the police department there is over 60% black, the police chief is black, the mayor is black, etc. Additionally, a lot of the times police unions have spoken up recently have been when officers were unfairly accused of brutality or racism with false narratives pushed heavily before any facts could emerge.

The Memphis city mayor, Jim Strickland, is white. The county mayor, Lee Harris, is black.

Thank you for the correction.

Found it. This video shows a time synched version of the body cam and sky cams.

https://archivevideomirror.com/?filename=10n2hs8.mp4

BN747 wrote:

First very long post on racism and dehumanization.

BN747

I think you make excellent points here.

I think another important factor is the militarization of the police as well. For the last 20 years Memphis has been one of the scariest downtowns I've ever been to. Crime, drugs, gangs on the streets, neighborhoods that you "just don't go to," and I haven't heard from anyone that it's gotten much better.

In that regard, this is a modern-day version of the killings and brutality that would happen in NYC in the 1970s, LA in the 1980s and 1990s. The police are spun up that everyone is a threat, everyone can be a perp. They get juiced on the confirmation bias and their subsequent experience is standing over a smoking corpse with ten bullet holes in it.

Can it happen outside of Memphis? It has, often, but I think it's more likely to happen *in* Memphis. We have a culture of violence that contributes to all of this.

bluecrew wrote:

BN747 wrote:

First very long post on racism and dehumanization.

BN747

I think you make excellent points here.

I think another important factor is the militarization of the police as well. For the last 20 years Memphis has been one of the scariest downtowns I've ever been to. Crime, drugs, gangs on the streets, neighborhoods that you "just don't go to," and I haven't heard from anyone that it's gotten much better.

In that regard, this is a modern-day version of the killings and brutality that would happen in NYC in the 1970s, LA in the 1980s and 1990s. The police are spun up that everyone is a threat, everyone can be a perp. They get juiced on the confirmation bias and their subsequent experience is standing over a smoking corpse with ten bullet holes in it.

Can it happen outside of Memphis? It has, often, but I think it's more likely to happen *in* Memphis. We have a culture of violence that contributes to all of this.

Strongly disagree about downtown Memphis. Downtown Memphis is fine. Most of the crime is in other areas of town.

bluecrew wrote:

BN747 wrote:

First very long post on racism and dehumanization.

BN747

I think you make excellent points here.

I think another important factor is the militarization of the police as well. For the last 20 years Memphis has been one of the scariest downtowns I've ever been to. Crime, drugs, gangs on the streets, neighborhoods that you "just don't go to," and I haven't heard from anyone that it's gotten much better.

In that regard, this is a modern-day version of the killings and brutality that would happen in NYC in the 1970s, LA in the 1980s and 1990s. The police are spun up that everyone is a threat, everyone can be a perp. They get juiced on the confirmation bias and their subsequent experience is standing over a smoking corpse with ten bullet holes in it.

Can it happen outside of Memphis? It has, often, but I think it's more likely to happen *in* Memphis. We have a culture of violence that contributes to all of this.

You are correct, the beating that Rodney King took from LAPD back in 1990?..the Memphis kid would have been dead within the 1st minute of vicious assault that King took...and recovered.

These things have beeing going on in Black communities since post slavery and Blacks have being crying out about until George Halliday shoot that VHS recording and showed the world.
But no internet kept mush of the world from seeing it, George Floyd happened in the age of internet and the entire world saw it and the entire world responded.
Some Asian A.net member stated that Asians didn't care about this...then I posted pics from nearly every Asian capital depicting massive protest and support for BLM/George Floyd..that memebr never returned to the discussion.

Racism is dehumanization at it's very core. Very hard for many people with little to zero knowledge to ever understand.

BN747

It has finally reached the mainstream news in Australia.

https://www.9news.com.au/world/more-pro ... 2fa273bb28


Just noticed this as well what role did they play in this?

Two Memphis Fire Department employees who were part of Nichols' initial care were relieved of duty, pending the outcome of an internal investigation.

A101 wrote:

It has finally reached the mainstream news in Australia.

https://www.9news.com.au/world/more-pro ... 2fa273bb28


Just noticed this as well what role did they play in this?

Two Memphis Fire Department employees who were part of Nichols' initial care were relieved of duty, pending the outcome of an internal investigation.

They played close to no role, which is the problem.

A101 wrote:

It has finally reached the mainstream news in Australia.

https://www.9news.com.au/world/more-pro ... 2fa273bb28


Just noticed this as well what role did they play in this?

Two Memphis Fire Department employees who were part of Nichols' initial care were relieved of duty, pending the outcome of an internal investigation.

They basically just watched him for 10 minutes before trying to treat him. Burnout or incompetence, either way not good.

bluecrew wrote:

BN747 wrote:

First very long post on racism and dehumanization.

BN747

I think you make excellent points here.

I think another important factor is the militarization of the police as well. For the last 20 years Memphis has been one of the scariest downtowns I've ever been to. Crime, drugs, gangs on the streets, neighborhoods that you "just don't go to," and I haven't heard from anyone that it's gotten much better.

In that regard, this is a modern-day version of the killings and brutality that would happen in NYC in the 1970s, LA in the 1980s and 1990s. The police are spun up that everyone is a threat, everyone can be a perp. They get juiced on the confirmation bias and their subsequent experience is standing over a smoking corpse with ten bullet holes in it.

Can it happen outside of Memphis? It has, often, but I think it's more likely to happen *in* Memphis. We have a culture of violence that contributes to all of this.

I'd say this mentality even lasted into the 2010's to an extent in NYC - look at Kalief Browder. Part of that was also a set of bad laws at the state level though.

I saw an interesting response to this on Insta. The poster theorized the officers are simply condoning racism because the officers are in a position of power given to them by the white superiors, much like the slave patrols in the 1700s. Black slave patrol men were treated less bad by the white masters so the black slave patrolers could think they have a place. Very interesting concept. Pretend so you are not beat as bad and thank the beaters so you can survive. Some twisted Stockholm syndrome stuff.

"Alleged." Lol

More blatant police misconduct. The only reason there hasn't been an attempt at a cover up is because the murderers involved are black. If they were white, Tyre would be demonized and they'd attempt to cover it up.

Aaron747 wrote:

The blood sport fashion in which media of all persuasions trumpeted the video release for maximum emotional influence was reprehensible. American messaging is truly lost in terms of ethical values.

The media has been a bit flummoxed, they can't jump on the usual narrative of racist cops, this is new territory.

N1120A wrote:

"Alleged." Lol

More blatant police misconduct. The only reason there hasn't been an attempt at a cover up is because the murderers involved are black. If they were white, Tyre would be demonized and they'd attempt to cover it up.

Yeah, I don’t think so. Unlike many other alleged instances of pl”police brutality”, this one was actually real and was captured entirely on camera.

It all comes down to the fact that there are bad cops of every color. It has nothing to do with history. It has to do with people getting into a line of work where they can get away with stuff.

johns624 wrote:

It all comes down to the fact that there are bad cops of every color. It has nothing to do with history. It has to do with people getting into a line of work where they can get away with stuff.

So we should extend background checks, end qualified immunity, and extend training.

seb146 wrote:

johns624 wrote:

It all comes down to the fact that there are bad cops of every color. It has nothing to do with history. It has to do with people getting into a line of work where they can get away with stuff.

So we should extend background checks, end qualified immunity, and extend training.

Sounds good to me.

seb146 wrote:

johns624 wrote:

It all comes down to the fact that there are bad cops of every color. It has nothing to do with history. It has to do with people getting into a line of work where they can get away with stuff.

So we should extend background checks, end qualified immunity, and extend training.

1,000%.

I would rather have a police force of 20% that are qualified, trained, and willing to work then a police force of 100% that are corrupt, incompetent, and lazy/unwilling.

johns624 wrote:

It all comes down to the fact that there are bad cops of every color. It has nothing to do with history. It has to do with people getting into a line of work where they can get away with stuff.

That may be your perspective but authority and racism has a longer joint marriage history than the 'color doesn't matter' mentality - it certainly does when you are a person of color. That's just fact with loaded historical context behind it, too much.

on top of that, yes ..there is a bad human element in every race, ethnicity.

Humans are like like every other living organism, some come out tweaked in a bad way and most will not or cannot correct it.
I think of the Tik Tok video of the little kid winding up and slugging his little brother (both under 3yo) and then runs off after his brother slugs him back.
Maybe that's tv/videos/family where he learned that..but it grows into people like Charles Whitman (first mass shooter UT Austin 1960s) to Ted Bundy et al..some
are just wired to be anti-social to the extreme.

And giving a human (cop) power over others...well that's where the corruption of power comes into play.
Priest, the Pedos, humans so use to people willingly placing their entire lives/trust into the hands of 'spiritual' men/women - only to betrayed and exploited by people who are suppose to only offer solace. But they too are humans...and many bad ones hiding there just as there was when started their religious scam...they knew people were gullible fools (I was one for decades).

But understand those cops wouldn't dare do that nonsense to any white man, woman or child..but did not hesitate to unload on one like themselves.
Look at these troublesome cops' arrest record, interview their white traffic stops vs their Black ones... world's apart.
That's a racism effect that escapes you.

BN747

We really have gone through the looking glass when five black policemen killing a black man can be ascribed to racism . . .

BN747 wrote:

johns624 wrote:

It all comes down to the fact that there are bad cops of every color. It has nothing to do with history. It has to do with people getting into a line of work where they can get away with stuff.

But understand those cops wouldn't dare do that nonsense to any white man, woman or child..but did not hesitate to unload on one like themselves.
Look at these troublesome cops' arrest record, interview their white traffic stops vs their Black ones... world's apart.
That's a racism effect that escapes you.

BN747

Sorry, I grew up, lived and worked in Detroit (for the school system) for 40+ years. My friends at work would be disgusted by your "they didn't know any better" attitude. It's an insult to honest black people everywhere. Although you claim that you know there are bad apples in every race, you then backtrack and blame it on racism, because of what happened 20+ years ago.

Braybuddy wrote:

We really have gone through the looking glass when five black policemen killing a black man can be ascribed to racism . . .

If that's your only takeaway from this, you clearly haven't been following the story. That's acceptable as I don't think you live in the US.

There's a lot more going on here. Maybe read the thread.

bluecrew wrote:

Braybuddy wrote:

We really have gone through the looking glass when five black policemen killing a black man can be ascribed to racism . . .

If that's your only takeaway from this, you clearly haven't been following the story. That's acceptable as I don't think you live in the US.

There's a lot more going on here. Maybe read the thread.

What is being shared above is is some ways how incentives and threats can be used for getting the behaviour you want.

What you do is find people who are morally bent anyways, take them from the minority.

Tell him/her that you are the overseer and you will be paid better and be more secure whom you are overlooking.

If the black officers beat black people, the white officer/gentleman can simply throw up his hands and plead ignorance.

If the black officers are punished, no skin of his or her nose. And s/he can continue to find more victims to do the dirty work for him.

And the cycle will go on and on

johns624 wrote:

BN747 wrote:

johns624 wrote:

It all comes down to the fact that there are bad cops of every color. It has nothing to do with history. It has to do with people getting into a line of work where they can get away with stuff.

But understand those cops wouldn't dare do that nonsense to any white man, woman or child..but did not hesitate to unload on one like themselves.
Look at these troublesome cops' arrest record, interview their white traffic stops vs their Black ones... world's apart.
That's a racism effect that escapes you.

BN747

Sorry, I grew up, lived and worked in Detroit (for the school system) for 40+ years. My friends at work would be disgusted by your "they didn't know any better" attitude. It's an insult to honest black people everywhere. Although you claim that you know there are bad apples in every race, you then backtrack and blame it on racism, because of what happened 20+ years ago.

"didn't know any better' is your own errant interpretation, nowhere did I say anything so asinine.

Also, there is not backtracking and blaming 'it' on racism, again, your own 'take away' of the very clear concise role racism has played where Black skin is involved...

The problem is you appear to be one who appears, like most, running from and looking for anything 'but racist elements long attached (where power is concerned) and embedded in American society far longer than the Constitution/Bill of Rights itself. Because you choose not to recognize, acknowledge or even begin to detect it even an all Black assailing of this kind simply underscaores your limited knowledge to begin with.

They 'didn't know any better'...all I can say is, you, again like most who are astonishing clueless on the subject can only come up with the (not even) half-baked interpretation that you just did.
You're looking only to ..not discuss/learn/exchange in modicum of understanding it but just to toss out your stern erroneous comment reflective of severely limited knowledge on this centuries old plague.

Since you grew up in Detroit, explained the founding of the Inkster district and by whom...you can learn alot from A Requiem for Detroit an excellent presentation by the BBC summing Race in America in one single shot. And I'm certain you've never seen it..because if you did, you'd know better (or if you actually lived and learned anything about the history of Detroit), here's your chance to enhance what little knowledge of your city's history aside from the wealth of knowledge you think you already possess AND Race in America.

BN747

BN747 wrote:

Since you grew up in Detroit, explained the founding of the Inkster district and by whom...you can learn alot from A Requiem for Detroit an excellent presentation by the BBC summing Race in America in one single shot. And I'm certain you've never seen it..because if you did, you'd know better (or if you actually lived and learned anything about the history of Detroit), here's your chance to enhance what little knowledge of your city's history aside from the wealth of knowledge you think you already possess AND Race in America.

BN747

I'm well aware of how Inkster was founded. Here's something for you to "enhance what little knowledge" you have about it. I've known quite a few white people who lived in Inkster. Unlike you, I don't look at 80 years ago and not think that people can change.

johns624 wrote:

BN747 wrote:

Since you grew up in Detroit, explained the founding of the Inkster district and by whom...you can learn alot from A Requiem for Detroit an excellent presentation by the BBC summing Race in America in one single shot. And I'm certain you've never seen it..because if you did, you'd know better (or if you actually lived and learned anything about the history of Detroit), here's your chance to enhance what little knowledge of your city's history aside from the wealth of knowledge you think you already possess AND Race in America.

BN747

I'm well aware of how Inkster was founded. Here's something for you to "enhance what little knowledge" you have about it. I've known quite a few white people who lived in Inkster. Unlike you, I don't look at 80 years ago and not think that people can change.

And unlike like you I don't discount and disassociate events of the past as their impactful aftermath reaches beyond 80 years, 100 or 200 years...it's call gaging 'humans learning lessons from the past' - which largely do not.

And it was Henry Ford who founded the Inkster (black ink) district for his Black migrant workers fleeing the South for 'a better life'...only to find Ford's white workers didn't want to share restrooms with black workers. As much as you wish to deny, impacts of history (bad history) have their effects too.

But again, you aim is only because my take away from your input is, you lived and claim to know something about Detroit - that's it. Nothing shared about your having lived there (the white former resident in Requiem for Detroit gave an amazing account of what it was like as boy and later in life), nothing about your references that can be tied to similar cities with similar phases of deterioration and blight.

Oh and your 'They didn't know any better' conclusion which is not found in anything I've posted.

johns624 wrote:

Sorry, I grew up, lived and worked in Detroit (for the school system) for 40+ years. My friends at work would be disgusted by your "they didn't know any better" attitude. It's an insult to honest black people everywhere. Although you claim that you know there are bad apples in every race, you then backtrack and blame it on racism, because of what happened 20+ years ago.

That statement, I'll assume those disgusted 'friends' of yours are Black.

And if they are disgusted by my post as you suggest..tells me flat out that they are nowhere near as 'tight' with those friends as you think they are. If they were indeed 'friends'..you would not be here making these embarrassing comments that you continue to make in attempts to paint yourself as 'in the know'. Your comments expose your very limited 'in the know' knowledge level for what it is - very very little at all (like next to nothing). And these 'friends'..they've sharpened your race awareness 'how exactly'? A solid answer to that could very level up this conversation you're pretending to be sincere about.


BN747

BN747 wrote:

And unlike like you I don't discount and disassociate events of the past as their impactful aftermath reaches beyond 80 years, 100 or 200 years...it's call gaging 'humans learning lessons from the past' - which largely do not.



But again, you aim is only because my take away from your input is, you lived and claim to know something about Detroit - that's it. Nothing shared about your having lived there (the white former resident in Requiem for Detroit gave an amazing account of what it was like as boy and later in life), nothing about your references that can be tied to similar cities with similar phases of deterioration and blight.

Oh and your 'They didn't know any better' conclusion which is not found in anything I've posted.

johns624 wrote:

Sorry, I grew up, lived and worked in Detroit (for the school system) for 40+ years. My friends at work would be disgusted by your "they didn't know any better" attitude. It's an insult to honest black people everywhere. Although you claim that you know there are bad apples in every race, you then backtrack and blame it on racism, because of what happened 20+ years ago.

That statement, I'll assume those disgusted 'friends' of yours are Black.

And if they are disgusted by my post as you suggest..tells me flat out that they are nowhere near as 'tight' with those friends as you think they are. If they were indeed 'friends'..you would not be here making these embarrassing comments that you continue to make in attempts to paint yourself as 'in the know'. Your comments expose your very limited 'in the know' knowledge level for what it is - very very little at all (like next to nothing). And these 'friends'..they've sharpened your race awareness 'how exactly'? A solid answer to that could very level up this conversation you're pretending to be sincere about.


BN747

No, I don't discount it but I don't use it as an excuse for things today. Our past has an impact on our lives but we shouldn't let it run our lives. Just like having a crappy childhood is bad, but it doesn't mean that we can't live the life that we want, once we become an adult.
As far as me telling you my whole life story--I owe you nothing. At least you know where I grew up and where I worked. I know nothing about you. One of my older mentors at work was a member of the original Black Panthers---look them up. He didn't make excuses, either. We seem to be an older generation than you.