Toenga wrote:OK,
From an economic point of view, Brexit was a mistake. For the majority of UK inhabitants, they have been subjected to a bigger decline in living standards, healthcare availability, educational opportunity, then had they remained a member of the EU.
This can most easily be verified by comparing UK performance with its immediate neighbours on mainland Europe.
But for some, apparently, they think the gain of the nebulous, other benifits of removing freedom of movement, and another layer in their governance more then compensates. We can only speculate on their motives and belief structures.
But does seem a very entrenched, but unspoken, view there, that a leader should be an upper class, white Englishman. (Or at least, someone closely resembling one)
Post Brexit, Britain now, must face up to the consequences of it's own failings, as it's opportunities for diverting blame elsewhere have declined.
Rejoining is not an option available in any short term. Whilst the UK would have to initiate the process, the decision lies entirely with gaining unanimous approval from the 27 EU member countries, and subject to whatever conditions they like to impose.
With the recent history of UK destructive membership of the EU, the chances of any of the previous UK especially favourable terms being reinstated must be extraordinarily unlikely. So a UK without pounds and pence? That would be a challenge.
But very concerningly, where is progress now towards a more economically sustainable UK?
Changing PMs and cabinet every few months is a symptom of the currently directionless Britain.
How is Britain going to at least reverse its comparitive decline? Decline in living standards and international standing. Comparitive to its peer countries.
Bonfires of regulations is not a plan, it is simply more destruction. The enormously destructive GFC had two epicentres, one of which was London.
And it was the result of inadequate regulation. So given this history, relaxing regulation here, will not endear the UK to much of the rest of the world. Much the same as effectively moving out of the CE product certification regimes has introduced an unwelcomed trade impediment.
Joining the remote CPTPP smacks more of despiration then any meaningful lifeline. It will be a benifit, but very modest compared to what it gave up with the EU.
If lowering taxes automatically led to raising living standards then the high tax, high benifit, Nordic and North European social democracies would not be top of the tables for living standards and functional democracies.
It is how well the peasants are looked after, not how well their Lords are, that achieves progress. Just look at China post WW2, until recently that is, and the decline in the same period in so many South American countries.
The debate of whether Brexit was a mistake or not, is far less important then the debate that should be happening now, but largely isn't
Where now, and how, for Britain?
I refer you to the You Tube link in reply 3, most do NOT want it, this is only going one way and has been for a considerable time, now if anything this trend is accelerating.
Several reasons, given how the Leave vote was heavily loaded towards older voters, so in some cases some are just not here now and I will write what some are inevitably thinking, plus 200,000 and still, if slowly rising, also even more heavily biased to older voters due to the same incompetent, corrupt bunch who are responsible for Brexit, mismanaged the pandemic resulting in the number of deaths being over twice the Department of Health’s worst estimation in Spring 2020.
A public inquiry is ramping up on that, we should have the same for Brexit given the avalanche of deliberate lies and conflict of interests about it.
So there is that but likely many more have just been confronted increasingly with the reality and that many identified with it have shown, like Johnson, like some MP’s who have either resigned for corruption or are notorious for it and/or general incompetence. Plus Farage bring a grifter and racist.
Polling, done by a respected group with in depth methodology, as noted in the You Tube link, now showing of 651 Parliamentary constituencies only 3 have a majority who do not regard it as a mistake, only one of those still has a majority in favor and that one, a grim rural area which had one of the largest immigration influxes as for many years the locals who hate them so much would not work in the local largely agriculture based industries.
Just ONE seat that still thinks it a good thing, for now at least.
That’s the takeaway from this thread, not another load of disproved nonsense regurgitated by one who never, ever, has anything to back up their repeated assertions.
Best ignored unless that changes, which it won’t.
