Major Earthquake in Turkey & Syria Feb. 6-7.8 level-1000's dead

ltbewr · Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:34 pm

A 7.8 Richter Scale level earthquake hit mainly in the central and south central regions of Turkey and northeastern Syria today, Feb. 6th. By late in the day it is broadly estimated close to 3000 have been killed and over 13,000 injured. Serious aftershocks of up to 7.5 have occurred as well. Rescue efforts are underway. within Turkey and Syria and some international help is being arranged. https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-new ... index.html

Newark727 · Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:37 pm

Weird, I thought we already had a thread on this.

B717fan · Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:50 pm

WHO is estimating as many as 20,000 people may have been killed.
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1622681189784887296

JetFlight89 · Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:12 pm

So sad......the damages were huge and the death toll is rising very fast, unfortunately.... TK had set their logo in a black and white pattern on their social media, altough there were no statement from them. They are sending cargo flights, possibly with relief to Adana-Incirlik Air Base (UAB), according to FR24, flights TK6050 and TK6052.

https://www.flightradar24.com/THY6052/2f1a128d

https://www.flightradar24.com/THY6050/2f19cc41

Aaron747 · Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:33 pm

Where did the previous thread go? We had some good discussion going on technical aspects of the event and why the damage is so extensive over a large area.

zakuivcustom · Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:42 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
Where did the previous thread go? We had some good discussion going on technical aspects of the event and why the damage is so extensive over a large area.

Not sure what happened either. I saw a few replies to my comment but by then the thread was already deleted.

ltbewr wrote:
A 7.8 Richter Scale level earthquake hit mainly in the central and south central regions of Turkey and northeastern Syria today, Feb. 6th. By late in the day it is broadly estimated close to 3000 have been killed and over 13,000 injured. Serious aftershocks of up to 7.5 have occurred as well. Rescue efforts are underway. within Turkey and Syria and some international help is being arranged. https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-new ... index.html

The 7.5 from USGS is not even an aftershock...basically two huge earthquakes back to back.

The time the earthquake strikes, at 3am, only add to the devastation.

Aaron747 · Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:56 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Where did the previous thread go? We had some good discussion going on technical aspects of the event and why the damage is so extensive over a large area.

Not sure what happened either. I saw a few replies to my comment but by then the thread was already deleted.

ltbewr wrote:
A 7.8 Richter Scale level earthquake hit mainly in the central and south central regions of Turkey and northeastern Syria today, Feb. 6th. By late in the day it is broadly estimated close to 3000 have been killed and over 13,000 injured. Serious aftershocks of up to 7.5 have occurred as well. Rescue efforts are underway. within Turkey and Syria and some international help is being arranged. https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-new ... index.html

The 7.5 from USGS is not even an aftershock...basically two huge earthquakes back to back.

The time the earthquake strikes, at 3am, only add to the devastation.

According to USGS, fault rupture with high-M7 events is typically greater than 150km. That’s a long stretch of energy release, and partly explains why damage is seen in multiple cities. The other reason is patchy construction quality and poor enforcement of seismic codes. Also these quakes have been quite shallow, all occurring at less than 20 km.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-64540696

art · Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:28 pm

BBC has a map graphically showing severe shaking along a line of 200km+
Go to end of article to see the map.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64533851

I fear this series of quakes and aftershocks will prove extremely catastrophic with immense loss of life.

ltbewr · Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:09 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Where did the previous thread go? We had some good discussion going on technical aspects of the event and why the damage is so extensive over a large area.

Perhaps in the removed post there wasn't a link to a respected news source. I used one from CNN-US in my opening post. The deleted post also could have tripped into inappropriate political and social views.
The death counts are rising, to over 6,000 in total in Turkey and Syria together as many persons were trapped in rubble of destroyed buildings and died, as their bodies are located.
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-new ... index.html

pune · Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:14 am

One of the 'partners' of GOI writes this -

https://twitter.com/ThePrintIndia/statu ... 8174395393

The Government's aid for Earthquake-hit Turkey demonstrates compassion - and a sharp grasp of geopolitics. President Recep Tayipp Erdogan has claimed leadership of the Muslim World by targetting India on Kashmir and by backing Anti-West causes. India's assistance helps victims but also schools Ankara - and Islamabad - about the realities of global power.

The Print is unofficially GOI's spokeperson.

casinterest · Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:57 pm

Major rise in water levels in Iskderdun, or sinking of land.

https://9gag.com/gag/aGEzQj0

Will be iinteresting to see what effects are occuring.

art · Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:44 pm

Turkey’s disaster management agency said it had 11,342 reports of collapsed buildings, of which 5,775 had been confirmed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... ramanmaras

Very sad, particularly since some of those buildings will have been apartment blocks housing many people. On a Turkish forum I read, some posters are saying that this is the biggest disaster to befall the country in its hundred year history.

cpd · Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:54 pm

Some historic landmarks are gone completely, just rubble left. It's a very bad earthquake.

Aaron747 · Wed Feb 08, 2023 2:25 am

An excellent piece by environmental journalist Andy Revkin on the background of challenges in Turkey with quake preparedness and regulating contractors. In short, this kind of outcome was both predicted and repeatedly warned about.

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2023/ ... -calamity/

pune · Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:50 am

0 news about Syria ??? They are also in a war IIRC, wouldn't this on top of that make matters worse ???

https://news.yahoo.com/civil-war-makes- ... 03046.html

Aaron747 · Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:59 am

pune wrote:
0 news about Syria ??? They are also in a war IIRC, wouldn't this on top of that make matters worse ???

https://news.yahoo.com/civil-war-makes- ... 03046.html

There has been plenty of coverage about the impact in Syria.

ltbewr · Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:16 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
pune wrote:
0 news about Syria ??? They are also in a war IIRC, wouldn't this on top of that make matters worse ???
https://news.yahoo.com/civil-war-makes- ... 03046.html

There has been plenty of coverage about the impact in Syria.

Over 10 of 1000's of refugees from Syria are in Turkey and in the region where this earthquake occurred. https://www.msn.com/en-ae/news/middleea ... r-AA17dkz3

pune · Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:19 pm

ltbewr wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
pune wrote:
0 news about Syria ??? They are also in a war IIRC, wouldn't this on top of that make matters worse ???
https://news.yahoo.com/civil-war-makes- ... 03046.html

There has been plenty of coverage about the impact in Syria.

Over 10 of 1000's of refugees from Syria are in Turkey and in the region where this earthquake occurred. https://www.msn.com/en-ae/news/middleea ... r-AA17dkz3

Omg, this is just going to get from bad to worse, IIRC, both these places have extremely cold climate like snow and stuff.

pune · Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:25 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
An excellent piece by environmental journalist Andy Revkin on the background of challenges in Turkey with quake preparedness and regulating contractors. In short, this kind of outcome was both predicted and repeatedly warned about.

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2023/ ... -calamity/

Think that's partially both a policy and an implementation issue.

IIRC, only Japan is very strict about building codes and their building inspectors are also. And they have to be non-corrupt because loss of life in Japan is real and can be anytime. And Japan has had more than its shares of earthquakes.

https://medium.com/@briancpotter/japan- ... 2427beccfa

c933103 · Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:36 pm

pune wrote:
0 news about Syria ??? They are also in a war IIRC, wouldn't this on top of that make matters worse ???

https://news.yahoo.com/civil-war-makes- ... 03046.html

War mean information are difficult to travel.

art · Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:38 pm

pune wrote:
Omg, this is just going to get from bad to worse, IIRC, both these places have extremely cold climate like snow and stuff.

The 1939 Erzincan earthquake registered 7.8 on the Richter scale. It was responsible for around 33,000 deaths and 100,000 injuries. In the coming days it will become clearer if the losses from the earthquakes and aftershocks in Turkey are worse than those in 1939.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_Erzincan_earthquake

What I wonder is how many people are reported missing, most of whom are presumably under the rubble of collapsed buildings. That would give an indication of casualty levels.

Aaron747 · Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:39 pm

pune wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
An excellent piece by environmental journalist Andy Revkin on the background of challenges in Turkey with quake preparedness and regulating contractors. In short, this kind of outcome was both predicted and repeatedly warned about.

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2023/ ... -calamity/

Think that's partially both a policy and an implementation issue.

IIRC, only Japan is very strict about building codes and their building inspectors are also. And they have to be non-corrupt because loss of life in Japan is real and can be anytime. And Japan has had more than its shares of earthquakes.

https://medium.com/@briancpotter/japan- ... 2427beccfa

Yes, as a resident again, very familiar with the situation in Japan. The codes are quite strict in certain US states as well, but enforcing retrofitting is difficult.

It should be noted despite the 2011 Tohoku quake’s size at M9, nearly all fatalities were from the tsunami, not building collapses.

Aaron747 · Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:18 pm

Death toll now over 11,000 and will continue to rise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMzilnkzRlU

LCDFlight · Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:35 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
Death toll now over 11,000 and will continue to rise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMzilnkzRlU

Yes, this is a pretty “remote” part of the world with a lot of poor and old construction techniques. The combined population of Turkey and Syria is 100 million (83 and 17, respectively.) It was a big quake. You can tell by the collapse of Roman ruins that it was a rare and destructive event likely to kill.

Aaron747 · Wed Feb 08, 2023 4:13 pm

LCDFlight wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Death toll now over 11,000 and will continue to rise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMzilnkzRlU

Yes, this is a pretty “remote” part of the world with a lot of poor and old construction techniques. The combined population of Turkey and Syria is 100 million (83 and 17, respectively.) It was a big quake. You can tell by the collapse of Roman ruins that it was a rare and destructive event likely to kill.

As structural engineers like to say, quakes generally don't kill people, bad buildings do. Following the disaster in Kobe in 1995, Japan revised the 1981 codes immediately and mandated retrofitting to several classes of structures. As a result even with the 2011 Tohoku quake being 63 times stronger than this event in Turkey, building collapses were not a widespread occurrence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyYshE34wJY

Given the cold temps and difficulty of rescue work (rescue resources have not even been able to enter Syria), the final toll may go over 100,000.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/08/crews-f ... quake.html

art · Wed Feb 08, 2023 6:37 pm

Twitter being restricted by Turkish government

https://netblocks.org/reports/twitter-r ... e-oy9LJ9B3

One reason may be to prevent people reporting/discussing what they see as inadequate government response in areas affected by the earthquakes. Unfortunately rescuers may also rely on Twitter to communicate, so this may hamper rescue efforts.

PS

Also, the place where the General Directorate of Highways announced the open roads in the region..

post #269
https://defencehub.live/threads/four-7- ... 84/page-14

zakuivcustom · Wed Feb 08, 2023 6:44 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
LCDFlight wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Death toll now over 11,000 and will continue to rise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMzilnkzRlU

Yes, this is a pretty “remote” part of the world with a lot of poor and old construction techniques. The combined population of Turkey and Syria is 100 million (83 and 17, respectively.) It was a big quake. You can tell by the collapse of Roman ruins that it was a rare and destructive event likely to kill.

As structural engineers like to say, quakes generally don't kill people, bad buildings do. Following the disaster in Kobe in 1995, Japan revised the 1981 codes immediately and mandated retrofitting to several classes of structures. As a result even with the 2011 Tohoku quake being 63 times stronger than this event in Turkey, building collapses were not a widespread occurrence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyYshE34wJY

Given the cold temps and difficulty of rescue work (rescue resources have not even been able to enter Syria), the final toll may go over 100,000.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/08/crews-f ... quake.html

While Kobe Earthquake definitely serves as a big wake-up call for earthquake safety in Japan, it was also much shallower (~14km) vs. the 2011 quake (~29km) with the epicenter literally a few miles off Kobe's coast compare to the 2011 one which was like 50 miles off the coast. It was definitely the tsunami that was VERY deadly as people evacuate to supposedly "safe" evacuation point only for those to get destroy by the tsunami.

As far as building code I believe Taiwan is also a lot more stringent after the 9.21 Earthquake in 1999. But even in 1999 in Taiwan there was only like 10s of building that collapsed. Here in Turkey alone they have more collapsed buildings in a neighborhood than that

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https://www.bbc.com/news/live/64533954

Just looking at some images in Syria in places like Aleppo, things look even worse than Turkey...WAY worse. As if Aleppo or Idlib wasn't bombed out to begin with, there are areas that are totally destroyed.

Aaron747 · Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:52 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
While Kobe Earthquake definitely serves as a big wake-up call for earthquake safety in Japan, it was also much shallower (~14km) vs. the 2011 quake (~29km) with the epicenter literally a few miles off Kobe's coast compare to the 2011 one which was like 50 miles off the coast. It was definitely the tsunami that was VERY deadly as people evacuate to supposedly "safe" evacuation point only for those to get destroy by the tsunami.

Well, yes and no. The understanding decades ago was that epicenter was everything, now geophysicists understand the situation much better. Earthquake wave propagation depends on fault plane, directional angle of the fault rupture energy release, rock composition, and so on. In the 1989 Loma Prieta quake, the soft alluvial soils of the Silicon Valley were much closer to the epicenter and should have incurred a lot of damage, yet the directional energy affected the landfill areas of San Francisco and Oakland much more, over 50 mi away.

The Kobe event was shallower, but most of the wave energy was vertical as well, which made for incredibly violent shaking despite the magnitude. The 2011 event was out to sea as you say, but nearly all directional energy was sent to the Honshu coast because of the fault plane. However that event had longer horizontal waves, which made for a very long quake but somewhat easier for structures to ride out despite the greater energy. So, in short, distance from epicenter is one factor, but not the only determinant in how damaging the energy is.

GalaxyFlyer · Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:21 am

Looking at Turkish buildings, we always said don’t go higher than you’re willing to fall and don’t enter a building you’re not willing to have come down on top of you. The Roman and Crusader ruins looked better. That’s in Adana, strangely.

pune · Thu Feb 09, 2023 5:00 am

Would it be a good or a bad idea to say Visit Turkey say about a month, month and a half after this. Could have a sort of cheap holiday and also help the Turkish economy ???

It probably is bad taste but don't see any other way to directly help them, this way at least would be able to help them and also gain some cultural experience of Turkey maybe ???

Looking to know what people think ?? I am sure there are both positives and negatives to above.

petertenthije · Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:38 am

pune wrote:
It probably is bad taste but don't see any other way to directly help them, this way at least would be able to help them and also gain some cultural experience of Turkey maybe ???

You could of course also send your holiday budget to the red cross or a local charity.

art · Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:47 am

pune wrote:
Would it be a good or a bad idea to say Visit Turkey say about a month, month and a half after this. Could have a sort of cheap holiday and also help the Turkish economy ???

It probably is bad taste but don't see any other way to directly help them, this way at least would be able to help them and also gain some cultural experience of Turkey maybe ???

Looking to know what people think ?? I am sure there are both positives and negatives to above.

I'm not sure how helpful going on holiday to Turkey would be. There are probably hundreds of thousands of newly homeless people. Accommodation should be in short supply for some time, so if one tourist takes a hotel room that would otherwise be taken by one or more people rendered homeless by the earthquakes, would that mean more people being condemned to live in tents or in the street?

Of course, if tourists stop going to Turkey that will reduce demand for employment in tourist areas, making it more difficult for Turkish people who depend on tourism to earn money to pay for their accommodation.

I am sure there must be several plusses and minuses involved with people visiting Turkey in the near future.

dampfnudel · Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:12 am

pune wrote:
Would it be a good or a bad idea to say Visit Turkey say about a month, month and a half after this. Could have a sort of cheap holiday and also help the Turkish economy ???

It probably is bad taste but don't see any other way to directly help them, this way at least would be able to help them and also gain some cultural experience of Turkey maybe ???

Looking to know what people think ?? I am sure there are both positives and negatives to above.

A lot of Turks depend on tourism so I don’t believe anyone who had plans to go to the unaffected areas of the country should cancel their holidays this spring/summer because of some “guilt” they’re feeling. Donate to a charity in addition to contributing to the tourism industry there.

Aaron747 · Thu Feb 09, 2023 12:44 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Looking at Turkish buildings, we always said don’t go higher than you’re willing to fall and don’t enter a building you’re not willing to have come down on top of you. The Roman and Crusader ruins looked better. That’s in Adana, strangely.

That's probably a very sensible maxim to follow. Now what remains to be seen is if Turks will pressure their government to get serious about prevention. Far too many costly seismic lessons the last 30 years.

ltbewr · Thu Feb 09, 2023 6:51 pm

Reports are now saying an estimated over 20,000 dead in the affected region. Some relief is getting into Syria. Access and being able to help Syrian victims is badly hampered due to sanctions by the USA on their government and access via Turkey is very limited to keep out refugees from Syria. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/to ... 2a01bdea9c

phatfarmlines · Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:22 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Looking at Turkish buildings, we always said don’t go higher than you’re willing to fall and don’t enter a building you’re not willing to have come down on top of you. The Roman and Crusader ruins looked better. That’s in Adana, strangely.

That's probably a very sensible maxim to follow. Now what remains to be seen is if Turks will pressure their government to get serious about prevention. Far too many costly seismic lessons the last 30 years.

You'd think the Turks would have the means to institute Japan-style construction codes.

Aaron747 · Sat Feb 11, 2023 6:00 am

phatfarmlines wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Looking at Turkish buildings, we always said don’t go higher than you’re willing to fall and don’t enter a building you’re not willing to have come down on top of you. The Roman and Crusader ruins looked better. That’s in Adana, strangely.

That's probably a very sensible maxim to follow. Now what remains to be seen is if Turks will pressure their government to get serious about prevention. Far too many costly seismic lessons the last 30 years.

You'd think the Turks would have the means to institute Japan-style construction codes.

Their developers seem more interested in pocketing huge profits than spending what is required to construct to code.

art · Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:24 am

I see photos of housing developments where it looks like a number of identical high rise apartment blocks have been built. Some collapsed in the earthquake. Some did not. Does that mean that the blocks still standing should be demolished, being the same design and construction as the ones that did collapse?

As for replacing buildings that have collapsed or have been seriously damaged, would it not make sense to start new settlements away from the fault lines rather than rebuild in zones of destructive seismic activity unless rebuilding is to the sort of standard found in Japan?

art · Sat Feb 11, 2023 11:43 am

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan hollowed out state institutions, placed loyalists in key positions, and enriched his cronies—paving the way for this tragedy.

Allegedly...

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/02/10/tu ... struction/

I believe that the election for president is scheduled to take place in June. It is reported that many Turkish people are angered by the perceived poor response to this disaster by the government. I wonder if Erdogan will lose the election and, if he does, will resign. Perhaps a coup if he wins but the election is seen as fraudulent?

Whatever, I hope that anyone still alive under the debris who can be freed is freed in time for their life to be saved.

Aaron747 · Sat Feb 11, 2023 11:57 am

art wrote:
I see photos of housing developments where it looks like a number of identical high rise apartment blocks have been built. Some collapsed in the earthquake. Some did not. Does that mean that the blocks still standing should be demolished, being the same design and construction as the ones that did collapse?

As for replacing buildings that have collapsed or have been seriously damaged, would it not make sense to start new settlements away from the fault lines rather than rebuild in zones of destructive seismic activity unless rebuilding is to the sort of standard found in Japan?

There are a lot of failure modes - it’s hard to say with certainty, that’s for inspectors to determine. Generally speaking though, it is likely structures not to code or with substandard materials that survived have been substantially weakened by the quakes. Hard to imagine how they would be safe to inhabit without substantial retrofitting.

pune · Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:51 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
art wrote:
I see photos of housing developments where it looks like a number of identical high rise apartment blocks have been built. Some collapsed in the earthquake. Some did not. Does that mean that the blocks still standing should be demolished, being the same design and construction as the ones that did collapse?

As for replacing buildings that have collapsed or have been seriously damaged, would it not make sense to start new settlements away from the fault lines rather than rebuild in zones of destructive seismic activity unless rebuilding is to the sort of standard found in Japan?

There are a lot of failure modes - it’s hard to say with certainty, that’s for inspectors to determine. Generally speaking though, it is likely structures not to code or with substandard materials that survived have been substantially weakened by the quakes. Hard to imagine how they would be safe to inhabit without substantial retrofitting.

From the article shared of foreign policy, it seems that most of the buildings made after 1999 were built sub-standard and inspectors chose to look away. But then again, if you have a PM/President who just wants power and gives all construction and they are allowed to do short-cuts then it was bound to happen.

Apart from that, the tardy response of the first responders and lack of equipment made it a bigger tragedy then it already is

Aaron747 · Mon Feb 13, 2023 1:07 am

As the death toll passes 30K and climbing, Turkish authorities have seized contractors who are trying to leave the country.

Too little, too late.

https://japantoday.com/category/world/T ... ass-33-000

QF7 · Mon Feb 13, 2023 7:57 am

pune wrote:

Apart from that, the tardy response of the first responders and lack of equipment made it a bigger tragedy then it already is

No doubt there are plenty of things to criticize the government for but these are not among them. No country on earth has an infinite number of first responders sitting around waiting for a once in 50 or 100 years catastrophe. And no one has tens or hundreds of thousands of pieces of equipment pre-staged on every street corner ready to go at a moment’s notice. Those measures would simply be unaffordable and a waste of resources that 99% of the time could be doing something productive in the economy.

Aaron747 · Mon Feb 13, 2023 9:41 am

QF7 wrote:
pune wrote:

Apart from that, the tardy response of the first responders and lack of equipment made it a bigger tragedy then it already is

No doubt there are plenty of things to criticize the government for but these are not among them. No country on earth has an infinite number of first responders sitting around waiting for a once in 50 or 100 years catastrophe. And no one has tens or hundreds of thousands of pieces of equipment pre-staged on every street corner ready to go at a moment’s notice. Those measures would simply be unaffordable and a waste of resources that 99% of the time could be doing something productive in the economy.

Not to mention, staging such massive resources is not necessary if construction practices are generally upheld to a high standard.

Newark727 · Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:16 am

You'd think at least one of the Middle East's many tinpot autocrats would have at least a moderate interest in enforcing proper building codes, but I guess not.

pune · Tue Feb 14, 2023 7:17 am

It really depends. History shows that natural disasters that it's not the natural disasters but by the politicians reaction to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdFGSkh5X24

ltbewr · Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:38 am

The damage including 10's of 1000's of deaths in Syria is horrible but the terrible political situation there has made it near impossible to give anywhere near sufficient help with rescue and recovery. That is compounded by the millions of refugees from other parts of Syria that have sought safety in the northwester part of the country. The USA and other countries won't help there due to their being seen as a terrorist state.

DIRECTFLT · Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:30 am

Newark727 wrote:
You'd think at least one of the Middle East's many tinpot autocrats would have at least a moderate interest in enforcing proper building codes, but I guess not.

"it was corruption"...

Let's have the UN outlaw corruption, like it did for child trafficking and slavery... That should do it !!!

VOX

On the morning of February 6, a pair of powerful earthquakes, 7.8 and 7.6, hit Turkey and Syria. On top of that, the region was hit with strong aftershocks, which made the destruction even worse. The death toll is already in the tens of thousands with many victims still lying beneath the rubble.

Multiple factors led to this earthquake being so devastating, like fault lines, neighborhoods still reeling from war and delayed rescue missions. But what made this earthquake particularly catastrophic was unsafe buildings. According to the Turkish government, over 6,000 buildings collapsed because of this earthquake. And that’s likely because of the way they were built.

This video will explain how bad building design made the Turkey-Syria earthquake more deadly than it had to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnlCRoBAcuw

DIRECTFLT · Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:31 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Newark727 wrote:
You'd think at least one of the Middle East's many tinpot autocrats would have at least a moderate interest in enforcing proper building codes, but I guess not.

"it was corruption"...

Let's have the UN condemn corruption, like it did for child trafficking and slavery... That should do it !!!

VOX

On the morning of February 6, a pair of powerful earthquakes, 7.8 and 7.6, hit Turkey and Syria. On top of that, the region was hit with strong aftershocks, which made the destruction even worse. The death toll is already in the tens of thousands with many victims still lying beneath the rubble.

Multiple factors led to this earthquake being so devastating, like fault lines, neighborhoods still reeling from war and delayed rescue missions. But what made this earthquake particularly catastrophic was unsafe buildings. According to the Turkish government, over 6,000 buildings collapsed because of this earthquake. And that’s likely because of the way they were built.

This video will explain how bad building design made the Turkey-Syria earthquake more deadly than it had to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnlCRoBAcuw

Aaron747 · Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:11 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Newark727 wrote:
You'd think at least one of the Middle East's many tinpot autocrats would have at least a moderate interest in enforcing proper building codes, but I guess not.

"it was corruption"...

Let's have the UN outlaw corruption, like it did for child trafficking and slavery... That should do it !!!

VOX

On the morning of February 6, a pair of powerful earthquakes, 7.8 and 7.6, hit Turkey and Syria. On top of that, the region was hit with strong aftershocks, which made the destruction even worse. The death toll is already in the tens of thousands with many victims still lying beneath the rubble.

Multiple factors led to this earthquake being so devastating, like fault lines, neighborhoods still reeling from war and delayed rescue missions. But what made this earthquake particularly catastrophic was unsafe buildings. According to the Turkish government, over 6,000 buildings collapsed because of this earthquake. And that’s likely because of the way they were built.

This video will explain how bad building design made the Turkey-Syria earthquake more deadly than it had to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnlCRoBAcuw

In the compilation videos they simply look like paper mache. I was noticing the column width on soft 1st floors with retail and parking, then did a comparative walk around my Tokyo neighborhood - the columns here for a 5-6 story building are 3x thicker than what I saw in a video from Turkey.

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