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LabQuest wrote:This is going to go nowhere.
ER757 wrote:Apparently they're looking into payments made to Karen McDougal as well:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-gran ... n-c1818ffb
IADFCO wrote:LabQuest wrote:This is going to go nowhere.
Yes, the consensus seems to be that this is a weak case, with jail time a very unlikely outcome, but I'm not a lawyer so I can't really say.
However, I wonder whether this will -- so to speak -- break the ice, and make easier more dangerous (for him) cases, such as the Georgia election and, especially, the January 6 attempted coup case.
IADFCO wrote:
Yes, the consensus seems to be that this is a weak case, with jail time a very unlikely outcome, but I'm not a lawyer so I can't really say.
Avatar2go wrote:Trump has a new legal team for this case. He has about a dozen lawyers working for him now, on various investigations.
The factual evidence in this case is strong. Trump's defense is that when Cohen broke the law to make the payments, he did it without Trump's knowledge, such that Trump was not involved in the criminal activity. Yet Trump reimbursed him for it later (Guiliani has already admitted this as Trump's attorney), so possibly he did that from the goodness of his heart.
The question will be what the jury will do, as Trump is unlikely to admit guilt or take a plea. If there are sympathetic members, they could deadlock and not reach a verdict. That's probably his best hope, and given his followers, it is a possibility.
I would prefer to see him indicted for official acts, rather than this matter, as the perception and impact on future office is much clearer. But I guess we'll see how this plays out.
bennett123 wrote:This has not gone well for his previous lawyers not sure why there always seem to be more coming forward.
FLYFIRSTCLASS wrote:Just because the Grand Jury voted to indict, does not mean the district attorney will. I still think nothing will come of this and we will walk.
luckyone wrote:FLYFIRSTCLASS wrote:Just because the Grand Jury voted to indict, does not mean the district attorney will. I still think nothing will come of this and we will walk.
Dare one ask, who is “we?”
Avatar2go wrote:bennett123 wrote:This has not gone well for his previous lawyers not sure why there always seem to be more coming forward.
One open question, is whether Trump will now throw Rudy Guiliani under the bus, and claim that Rudy falsely represented Trump as his attorney, when Rudy stated on the record that Trump had reimbursed Cohen. That would be consistent with Trump's past behavior.
If that happens, Cohen has already admitted in his own trial, that he performed no legal services for the reimbursement payments he received from Trump. So Trump would need to produce documentation of the services Cohen was performing for those payments.
It should be interesting to see how Trump tries to wiggle out from underneath the evidence. He has denied having any relationship with either of the two women. He has denied authorizing Cohen to make the payments to them. So my guess is he will continue denying everything that is put forward.
drew777 wrote:He finally got the majority vote!
LAX772LR wrote:Even if convicted, he'll never see a day in jail.
I do think this'll open the floodgates to other charges by other bodies though, most notably Georgia.
TangoandCash wrote:If (and that's still a very big if) this goes to trial, it will make the OJ Simpson case look like a slow day in traffic court.
I'll defer to the legal experts whether this is a strong or weak case, we'll see what the DA decides to charge soon enough. Even if it goes to trail, I suspect Trump will weasel out of it somehow (throw Cohen or Rudy under the bus, or at least sow doubts of what Trump knew and when).
Even so, I think the Georgia and January 6th cases are much more meaningful for Trump's future (political and otherwise).
DIRECTFLT wrote:A MashUp From The Jimmy Dore Show YouTube Channel:
The Walls Are Closing In ! ! !
https://youtu.be/MdHtAzFNwjE?t=132
TWA772LR wrote:He's going to die in his bed at an older age.
TangoandCash wrote:If (and that's still a very big if) this goes to trial, it will make the OJ Simpson case look like a slow day in traffic court.
TangoandCash wrote:
I'll defer to the legal experts whether this is a strong or weak case, we'll see what the DA decides to charge soon enough.
piedmontf284000 wrote:Just mind boggling how the Democrats, and their obsession of Trump, just can't let it go.
Avatar2go wrote:bennett123 wrote:This has not gone well for his previous lawyers not sure why there always seem to be more coming forward.
One open question, is whether Trump will now throw Rudy Guiliani under the bus, and claim that Rudy falsely represented Trump as his attorney, when Rudy stated on the record that Trump had reimbursed Cohen. That would be consistent with Trump's past behavior.
If that happens, Cohen has already admitted in his own trial, that he performed no legal services for the reimbursement payments he received from Trump. So Trump would need to produce documentation of the services Cohen was performing for those payments.
It should be interesting to see how Trump tries to wiggle out from underneath the evidence. He has denied having any relationship with either of the two women. He has denied authorizing Cohen to make the payments to them. So my guess is he will continue denying everything that is put forward.
sierrakilo44 wrote:DIRECTFLT wrote:A MashUp From The Jimmy Dore Show YouTube Channel:
The Walls Are Closing In ! ! !
https://youtu.be/MdHtAzFNwjE?t=132
Jimmy Dore was a former progressive who fell deeply into the anti-Hillary Clinton bandwagon, to the point he loathed anyone who tried to work with establishment Democrats, including Bernie and AOC. Then Covid came along and he fell down the conspiracy theorist rabbit hole. Now he’s a Tucker Carlson regular.
And he’s wrong. The walls have closed in, and the first criminal charges have been filed.
seb146 wrote:piedmontf284000 wrote:Just mind boggling how the Democrats, and their obsession of Trump, just can't let it go.
When there is reasonable doubt the law has been broken, I would think the "law and order" Republican party would be on board with following the law
piedmontf284000 wrote:A nice photo op, loads of compelling talk show fodder, and lots of punchlines for the late night hosts. In the end though, he and his base will just gain even more strength. Just mind boggling how the Democrats, and their obsession of Trump, just can't let it go. The more they try to hang him in the public square the longer the rope gets. Three years ago, they could have just been done with anything Trump but sadly they have let this egotistical maniac dominate the spotlight more then their own guy in the oval office. Now he will get to boast how he was the first sitting President to beat two impeachments and first former President to beat criminal charges.
ltbewr wrote:I suspect from this indictment that the Republicans are going to go to full tilt ugly persecution war against Pres. Biden, his son Hunter, certain cabinet members, all Democrats especially Governors and big city mayors over a variety of issues. Republicans will see these charges and other possible ones against Trump as political persecution, to destroy him politically.
ltbewr wrote:I suspect from this indictment that the Republicans are going to go to full tilt ugly persecution war against Pres. Biden, his son Hunter, certain cabinet members, all Democrats especially Governors and big city mayors over a variety of issues. Republicans will see these charges and other possible ones against Trump as political persecution, to destroy him politically.
casinterest wrote:ltbewr wrote:I suspect from this indictment that the Republicans are going to go to full tilt ugly persecution war against Pres. Biden, his son Hunter, certain cabinet members, all Democrats especially Governors and big city mayors over a variety of issues. Republicans will see these charges and other possible ones against Trump as political persecution, to destroy him politically.
Let them. It will be just like their claims of voter fraud. All lies, no proof. The difference between crimes and political stunts is that real crimes leave real evidence. Trump has left tons of evidence that the GOP chooses to keep their head in the sand over, while manufacturing fake lies. The dissonance and ignorance present from these Fox News addicts is that they don;t know the difference betweem kool-aid, water, and excrement anymore.
Trump has abused power and committed crimes in his business life, personal life and political life, and the GOP wants to give him a free pass. Now that the bills are coming due, the GOP wants to scream about abuse of power? it doesn't work that way. Be consistent, or just be quiet. People like Kevin McCarthy are working hard at getting themselves charged for politcally motivated crimes.
luckyone wrote:casinterest wrote:ltbewr wrote:I suspect from this indictment that the Republicans are going to go to full tilt ugly persecution war against Pres. Biden, his son Hunter, certain cabinet members, all Democrats especially Governors and big city mayors over a variety of issues. Republicans will see these charges and other possible ones against Trump as political persecution, to destroy him politically.
Let them. It will be just like their claims of voter fraud. All lies, no proof. The difference between crimes and political stunts is that real crimes leave real evidence. Trump has left tons of evidence that the GOP chooses to keep their head in the sand over, while manufacturing fake lies. The dissonance and ignorance present from these Fox News addicts is that they don;t know the difference betweem kool-aid, water, and excrement anymore.
Trump has abused power and committed crimes in his business life, personal life and political life, and the GOP wants to give him a free pass. Now that the bills are coming due, the GOP wants to scream about abuse of power? it doesn't work that way. Be consistent, or just be quiet. People like Kevin McCarthy are working hard at getting themselves charged for politcally motivated crimes.
Kevin McCarthy’s speakership is built upon such a shaky foundation that effectively it only takes two or three people squeezing his balls to send him squawking in any direction.
bennett123 wrote:I genuinely think that the only country that can destroy the United States is the United States.
Aesma wrote:Personally I fear DeSantis more than I fear Trump. First I think a goat could win against Trump, but secondly even if he won he would be less effective than the first time, and he wasn't very effective then (except regarding a few major things like cutting taxes and nominating supreme court judges, but clearly it wasn't really his doing).
DeSantis doesn't come as very smart but he can do more damage.
TangoandCash wrote:If (and that's still a very big if) this goes to trial, it will make the OJ Simpson case look like a slow day in traffic court.
luckyone wrote:“What did the President know, and when did he stop knowing it.”
Revelation wrote:TangoandCash wrote:If (and that's still a very big if) this goes to trial, it will make the OJ Simpson case look like a slow day in traffic court.
I doubt it. The OJ situation was a beloved sports hero allegedly committing a murder, and had a bunch of racial overtones mixed in as well. This is just a rich married guy screwing up trying to pay off a side piece after he slept with her.luckyone wrote:“What did the President know, and when did he stop knowing it.”
Maybe he should go with the Reagan dementia defense?
casinterest wrote:Now Trump can go and get his Attorney's to say no it isn't so. The difficulty level of it all, is that unlike most charges. The DA in Manhatten already has Trump's Organization pleading guilty to Tax Fraud.
The Rhetoric is the same as it was in 2020. Act offended and hope the ignorant fools that don't know better create a scene big enough to destablize the US justice system. Trump and his supporters should know better by now.
Revelation wrote:TangoandCash wrote:If (and that's still a very big if) this goes to trial, it will make the OJ Simpson case look like a slow day in traffic court.
I doubt it. The OJ situation was a beloved sports hero allegedly committing a murder, and had a bunch of racial overtones mixed in as well. This is just a rich married guy screwing up trying to pay off a side piece after he slept with her.luckyone wrote:“What did the President know, and when did he stop knowing it.”
Maybe he should go with the Reagan dementia defense?