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b2319
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Cyber-bullying: Accepted Here?

Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:27 pm

Hello,

I feel a little agrieved and I just want to gauge some response. If the consensus is that I am in the wrong, then, I'll choose to spend my private time elsewhere.....

As a scientist and Chartered Chemical engineer, I was dismayed by some of the postings here on a.net, and after joining, I decided to try and educate the community regarding what I considered to be 'hard science' and what I believed to be 'drivel', that, had often, been posted.

Citing an anonymous source, I referred to a post that I considered to be 'ill-informed' and it's owner chose to take issue with this, citing the fact that the terminology was used by the regulators/investigators, though, of course, not referenced in the original post.

Now, the 'fact' is that any body dealing with the media, not least in the context of an effective worldwide aircraft type grounding, has to choose its words very carefully, especially, in the initial period.

Consequently, scientifically what was portrayed as 'fact' was, in itself innacurate. But, once out in the media, it was portrayed as 'fact', and repeated ad nauseum.

So, where should the line be drawn? Am I a victim of cyber bullying or not? Scientifically, I am correct and on a.net, made to look a fool.....

BTW, had I not received PMs offering me sympathy/support, I would not have been motivated to post this topic just now.

It shouldn't take anyone interested so long to track down the posts and see the details I was keen to discuss, and the ensuing fall-out.....

Regards

B-2319
 
wilco737
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RE: Cyber-bullying: Accepted Here?

Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:09 pm

Quoting b2319 (Thread starter):

Dear B-2319

first let me say that we do NOT accept cyber bullying at all!


A.net has always been an enthusiasts forum with many experts as well, but discussions here are not always 100% professional as there are people out who ask questions, have heard rumours etc.

So when you posted something, it is read by many people and many people know that you are right about what you are talking, but some others think they know better and question your opinion or your knowledge.
Do not see that as cyber bullying. This happens in many forums and cannot be avoided 100% as there are simply too many users on here.

If you see a post which violates the rules or which seems to be bullying, then use the "suggest deletion" function which can be found next to every post and flag this post and we moderators will look into it.

You can email us directly as well if you think something is going wrong here: [email protected]

We want that people have fun here and have proper discussions and I say again: we do not accept bullying!

I hope that explained it to you.

Thanks.

wilco737
  
 
Unflug
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RE: Cyber-bullying: Accepted Here?

Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:13 pm

Quoting b2319 (Thread starter):
Citing an anonymous source, I referred to a post that I considered to be 'ill-informed' and it's owner chose to take issue with this, citing the fact that the terminology was used by the regulators/investigators, though, of course, not referenced in the original post.

Now, the 'fact' is that any body dealing with the media, not least in the context of an effective worldwide aircraft type grounding, has to choose its words very carefully, especially, in the initial period.

Consequently, scientifically what was portrayed as 'fact' was, in itself innacurate. But, once out in the media, it was portrayed as 'fact', and repeated ad nauseum.


b2319, maybe you would have better left the sentence "What an absolutely ill-informed post if there ever was one" out of your post #260. Regardless, I was astonished about the tone of the "welcome" you received as a new member.
 
PHX787
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RE: Cyber-bullying: Accepted Here?

Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:03 am

Hello-

I've been a member since March last year, and of course i've delt with my share of cyber-bullying. But you know what, since the new mods came in, I saw a decrease in it. Wilco himself does a great job maintaining the integrity of the site.

if there's ever an issue, know that a number of members probably think low of the one calling you names. I've personally had attacks directed at me and with a few of those members, they were banned from the site within a month.

just let it slide and focus on the good guys here  
PHX787
 
luv2fly
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RE: Cyber-bullying: Accepted Here?

Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:31 pm

I believe it is MUCH better then it use to be.
 
Quokkas
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RE: Cyber-bullying: Accepted Here?

Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:50 pm

Hi b2319,

I admit to being not familiar with our posts but I am dismayed if you feel that you have been the victim of cyber bullying. I know that in a public forum like Airliners. net you will get all sorts of opinions, some more reliable than others because they are posted by people who are experienced in the field. Sadly, despite the best efforts of the moderators to enforce the rules, in a largely free society people can say what they like even if it is a pack of...

In an ideal world everyone would be considerate and frame their posts in a respectable manner, based on either experience or research but some people do assume freedom of speech means the freedom to insult. I disagree but others will counter that people choose to be offended rather than people choose to offend. Again a load of... Is anything gained from that? No, far from it because it simply closes discussion rather than facilitating it, and I suspect that is the intent of those who do choose to offend. Would I have freedom of speech curtailed? No, I would rather that people learnt to grow up and treat others as they would like to be treated. I am also a firm believer in the notion that if people wish to spare us any doubt and prove that they are idiots, they should be free to do so.

It makes life hard for the moderators (I have seen some of my own posts deleted so I am not being soft on them) but I hope that you will not withdraw because a few people choose to be insulting.
 
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HAWK21M
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RE: Cyber-bullying: Accepted Here?

Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:40 am

Quoting b2319 (Thread starter):
If the consensus is that I am in the wrong, then, I'll choose to spend my private time elsewhere.....

Thats the last thing you should do..If you believe you are right....stand by it.

Quoting b2319 (Thread starter):
I am correct and on a.net, made to look a fool.....

It depends on how you look at it.

On these forums , you will always have brave people behind a computer screen that choose to debate/disagree with you....At time they may be ill informed or just troublemakers choosing to get the thread locked.
If you are confident as a knowledgable person in your field, you should stick by your words & ignore such folks that dont want to accept facts........Unless you feel they could have a point to discuss.......Over time on this site...you will know whose posts make sense & whose to ignore.......

They are a lot out here who are keen to learn......Stand with them....Cheers.
 
RussianJet
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RE: Cyber-bullying: Accepted Here?

Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:03 am

If anyone has directly insulted you, then that is of course totally unacceptable. However, in terms of a differing of opinions, even if you know yourself to be in the right, you have to develop at least a slightly thick skin here. This is part and parcel of a large forum with a huge number of members from a massively diverse range of backgrounds. Don't let it get you down, and just stick with it and remain dignified.

If you do receive any unacceptable communications, PMs or whatever, or if someone openly insults you in the forum, report it immediately. On the one occasion I received an inappropriate message some years back now, I reported it and the matter was dealt with swiftly and effectively.

I hope you choose to stick around, because specialist knowledge such as yours is a large part of what makes this place interesting.
 
greasespot
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RE: Cyber-bullying: Accepted Here?

Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:04 pm

Holy crap.

Someone disagreeing with you on a internet forum whether the facts are correct or not is NOT cyber bullying.

Bullying is a term that is so over used that it is is losing its relevance. Every time someone gets a rude comment or someone argues they scream I am being bullied. The term is almost meaningless now.

What happened to you is someone was rude to you. That's all.

Ignore the comment and move on.

GS
 
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falstaff
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RE: Cyber-bullying: Accepted Here?

Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:42 pm

Quoting greasespot (Reply 8):
Someone disagreeing with you on a internet forum whether the facts are correct or not is NOT cyber bullying.

Bullying is a term that is so over used that it is is losing its relevance. Every time someone gets a rude comment or someone argues they scream I am being bullied. The term is almost meaningless now.

Bullying is a repeated action. When something only happens one time It isn't bullying, it is just bad behavior. I deal with this issue with teens all the time. If somebody gets picked on day after day by the same person that is bully behaviour. If some guy makes fun of you once and you never hear from them again, that is not.

Quoting b2319 (Thread starter):
I decided to try and educate the community regarding what I considered to be 'hard science' and what I believed to be 'drivel', that, had often, been posted.

You said you considered it to be hard science, other may not. People are allowed to disagree. Check out any thread about guns or any Boeing vs Airbus debate to see what I mean.
 
darthluke12694
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RE: Cyber-bullying: Accepted Here?

Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:02 am

Quoting greasespot (Reply 8):
Someone disagreeing with you on a internet forum whether the facts are correct or not is NOT cyber bullying.

Bullying is a term that is so over used that it is is losing its relevance. Every time someone gets a rude comment or someone argues they scream I am being bullied. The term is almost meaningless now.

Thank you for saying what we're all probably thinking.

Quoting falstaff (Reply 9):
Bullying is a repeated action. When something only happens one time It isn't bullying, it is just bad behavior.

So we're only allowed to disagree with a person once? I disagree with your statement. But I guess I can't disagree with you again otherwise I might be cyber-bullying you....Wow.

There's a difference from someone disagreeing with you than someone actually cyber-bullying you.
 
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falstaff
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RE: Cyber-bullying: Accepted Here?

Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:12 am

Quoting darthluke12694 (Reply 10):
So we're only allowed to disagree with a person once? I disagree with your statement. But I guess I can't disagree with you again otherwise I might be cyber-bullying you....Wow.

There's a difference from someone disagreeing with you than someone actually cyber-bullying you.


That isn't what I meant. A disagreement is a disagreement. Bullying is different. If somebody is making a point to single you out over and over again and give you a hard time you have bullying. A disagreement over an issue isn't being a bully. For example Lets say Superfly and I disagree over whether Cadillac or Lincoln had better cars in the 1970s. We could have a heated debate on the issue, but if I call him nasty names and threaten him you have a case of bullying. We have heated discussions all the time on a.net and very little bullying.

The point I was trying to make is the OP may be be thinking he as a bully situation, but it is really a disagreement.
 
darthluke12694
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RE: Cyber-bullying: Accepted Here?

Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:37 am

Quoting falstaff (Reply 11):
That isn't what I meant.

I'm sorry I misunderstood you. After all, you quoted someone talking about a disagreement, and you responded to that. So I assumed you were talking about a disagreement.

Otherwise I agree with what you are saying.
 
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HAWK21M
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RE: Cyber-bullying: Accepted Here?

Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:34 am

There can be member x responding constantly to member y posts on most topics in most forums just to belittle or ridicule member y...that would be bullying.....Although if member y decides they can be smart & ignore member x & the posts......

However in a forum there are bound to be differences of opinions that is disagreements & quite normal.

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