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"Quarrelsome" Threads

Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:49 am

Would the management here consider a proposal that where a thread has become (or predictably will become) combative. it be designated a "potentially quarrelsome" thread and a special set of rules for that thread being enacted?

The rules another site (Historium) uses for such threads are:
NO
Shouting
Swearing
Teasing
Baiting
Sarcasm
Ridicule
Sardonic humor
Ad hominem attacks

Historium has a special forum such threads are placed in, but I don't see that as being necessary here.
Historium has a 30 day suspension rule for the first offense in the protected forum.
Perhaps here it could be toned down to 7 days for a first offense.

Their enforcement is:

The following is prohibited ......., whether as a means of expressing anger, or as an attempt to incite anger in others:

This rule will be strictly enforced if in the consensus view of the Moderators there has been a deliberate occurance of any of the above. The consequences of infractions will be suspension from Historum on the following schedule:
1st offence - 30 Days
2nd offence - 60 Days
3rd offence - 120 days
4th offence - Permanent
Proselytizing will be equally frowned upon and dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.


A rule like this might be of great help in raising threads like the MH370 thread to a higher level of discourse. It works there.
 
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:11 am

Quoting tailskid (Thread starter):

A rule like this might be of great help in raising threads like the MH370 thread to a higher level of discourse. It works there.

While this theory sounds good on paper, like most moderation suggestions, it attempts to remove the human from the equation. Due to a large number of reasons, people will always find controversial topics to be controversial, and within these topics there will be some fighting between members which have radical opinions. You cannot stop every bad post from being posted, it's simply not going to happen. It's the nature of the internet, and that's why we have the moderating crew removing any trolling/flamebait posts in threads such as MH370 etc. etc. They do a pretty good job of it, I must say.

One thing I've never understood about forums such as NonAv is why do people respond if someone insults them? The second guy always gets caught, and if you respond to a flamebaiting reply, the flambaiter wins. In forums such as NonAv, it just seems to be the same "Obama versus Bush" or other ridiculous political debates that never seem to end and nobody ever seems to agree on anything. It's nonsensical, to say the least, and that's why I don't go to the Non Aviation Forum very often.

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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:49 am

Quoting tailskid (Thread starter):
A rule like this might be of great help in raising threads like the MH370 thread to a higher level of discourse.

There would one MH370 thread with about a dozen posts if we followed those rules...
 
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:10 am

And it might be a good idea to add extreme hyperbole to the above list. And I'm not trying to be cute or coy. Hyperbole has no place in any serious discussion, and where there is already conflict, it is inevitably going to raise tensions.
 
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:51 pm

No sarcasm. Really? Are we just supposed to sit around and have no fun here?
 
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:02 pm

The most quarrelsome thing I see around here is when someone posts an incorrect term, and most times it isn't wrong just not the best possible answer and instead of the first 5 posts trying to answer the question it is 5 posts of people arguing semantics. Not sure why but that just ticks me off to no end.
 
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:33 am

Quoting thegman (Reply 5):
The most quarrelsome thing I see around here is when someone posts an incorrect term, and most times it isn't wrong just not the best possible answer and instead of the first 5 posts trying to answer the question it is 5 posts of people arguing semantics. Not sure why but that just ticks me off to no end.


It *does* get tiresome reading the basic same response peppered throughout a thread.

One the other hand, almost every mouse has a scroll wheel which will let the operator easily skim past things as fast as they can be scanned.

As far as attacks, sniping, and flat-out insults, who cares?

It's the internet. Let it be. You don't have to feel insulted, and you don't have to correct anyone.


If you wanted to enact a rule which would do some good, enforce a rule that everyone is required to reach the bottom of a thread before posting A) The same damn question that's been answered 50 times, or B) Making the same armchair leap-O-logic that 20 other basement philosophers have already posted.

*Those* are really, really tiresome.

And, have the software check and reject multiple links to the same news story.
 
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:17 am

This is a fan forum. This isn't a UN international conference on Aviation.

Primarily because you have goofballs like me on this site that are simply here to both learn but altogether have a good time. Otherwise, I wou;dn't have shelled out $15 for premium membership. Remember, I am a college kid :P

Quoting penguins (Reply 4):
No sarcasm. Really? Are we just supposed to sit around and have no fun here?

Exactly my point.
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:25 pm

Pretty much any mention of the 764ER leads to combative behavior by many users.
 
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:31 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 8):
Pretty much any mention of the 764ER leads to combative behavior by many users.

   Normally this only happens when someone else accuses anyone expressing a negative opinion of said plane of being "a LIAR".



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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:10 am

Quoting thegman (Reply 5):
The most quarrelsome thing I see around here is when someone posts an incorrect term, and most times it isn't wrong just not the best possible answer and instead of the first 5 posts trying to answer the question it is 5 posts of people arguing semantics. Not sure why but that just ticks me off to no end.

No kidding. Especially when we consider that anyone who's worked in this business for more than 6 months knows that even all that jargon changes from place to place and time to time anyway.

ATC won't even hammer on pilots for errors the way we do.

Quoting RottenRay (Reply 6):
As far as attacks, sniping, and flat-out insults, who cares?

It's the internet. Let it be. You don't have to feel insulted, and you don't have to correct anyone.

Yup. Though I have to admit I'm at times amused at how easy it is to get flamed, defamed, etc for simply not agreeing with someone, the truth is that is if I get bent out of shape over it, I'm also the one with a problem.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
This is a fan forum. This isn't a UN international conference on Aviation.

But we sure think we know everything, lol.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 8):
Pretty much any mention of the 764ER leads to combative behavior by many users.

Well... I know of one user like that at any rate,   
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:09 am

Quoting tailskid (Thread starter):
Shouting
Swearing
Teasing
Baiting
Sarcasm
Ridicule
Sardonic humor
Ad hominem attacks

all of those are very individual and don't make for good moderating guide lines, handling a board consistently is difficult enough as it is. That a goodly part of the users aren't native speakers won't help either.

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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:09 pm

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 1):
You cannot stop every bad post from being posted, it's simply not going to happen. It's the nature of the internet, and that's why we have the moderating crew removing any trolling/flamebait posts in threads such as MH370 etc. etc. They do a pretty good job of it, I must say.

This x1,000. The internet is what it is, and the veil of anonymity is going to enable some folks to simply be trolls for the sake of being trolls. That's what they get off on, so they'll keep doing it, rules or not.

To add to this, I think it's a case of knowing your audience. In non-Av, I'm fine with letting things go a bit more losely. We're all adults and should be able to let off a bit of steam here, versus the other forums. But I wouldn't stroll into Tech/Ops and start flaming and trolling, and I would be much more likely to report stuff there than here.
 
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:40 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 9):
Priceless!   

   Delusional doesn't quite begin to cover it.
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:10 pm

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 1):
It's the nature of the internet, and that's why we have the moderating crew removing any trolling/flamebait posts in threads such as MH370 etc. etc. They do a pretty good job of it, I must say.

At least, that's as far as you'll say on this site. On a different site that rhymes with airliners.net you seem to have an entirely different opinion of the moderators (when you're not on there posting raps about being an elitist frequent flyer who'll only ever travel in F, or providing the WWW with further evidence that you're a total misogynist). I like your demeanor here much more.

Quoting darksnowynight (Reply 10):
Well... I know of one user like that at any rate,   

Who's this user everyone has been slamming on who's apparently obsessed with the 764?

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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:52 pm

Quoting darksnowynight (Reply 10):
Well... I know of one user like that at any rate,   

I honestly think that a large portion of the problem this thread is intended to address could be solved by permanently banning just that one user. It's that single subject that is the obsession of that one delusional poster that gets out of hand most consistently and causes the evisceration or elimination of otherwise intelligent discussions.

Quoting OMP777X (Reply 14):
Who's this user everyone has been slamming on who's apparently obsessed with the 764?

A look at the usernames in this thread may provide you some enlightenment.

[Edited 2015-06-03 14:57:22]
 
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:18 pm

Quoting IADCA (Reply 15):
A look at the usernames in this thread may provide you some enlightenment.

     

  

I've been brought up to speed now. Thanks!
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:47 am

Quoting tailskid (Reply 3):
And it might be a good idea to add extreme hyperbole to the above list. And I'm not trying to be cute or coy. Hyperbole has no place in any serious discussion, and where there is already conflict, it is inevitably going to raise tensions.

The MH370 thread misses you, Tailskid! Whaa haappenn (to you)? I miss the polarities that used to exist within that thread as well as others. You seemed to have had it all figured out already. Another great thing about this site that has fallen by the wayside.
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:42 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 9):
Normally this only happens when someone else accuses anyone expressing a negative opinion of said plane of being "a LIAR".

Not true at all. In the recently deleted UA A380 thread, some user posted a post bashing the 764ER without me even posting anything about it; it was in response to another user who included the 764ER in DL's future fleet plans.
 
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:44 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 18):
some user posted a post bashing the 764ER without me even posting anything about it;

And you attacked him in return (I'd be happy to link to the post except it's been deleted). It's not "combative" behavior until it involves two posters. Bashing the capabilities of a particular airplane is not "combative." Airplanes don't have feelings, nor do they engage in conversations on a.net.
 
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:26 pm

As a moderator elsewhere (much bigger, non aviation related), I prefer the trolling to be concentrated in one place that I can follow, instead of popping up sporadically in all threads.

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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:30 pm

Is there a way to block certain people so you do not see their posts?
 
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:03 am

Quoting OMP777X (Reply 17):
The MH370 thread misses you, Tailskid! Whaa haappenn (to you)? I miss the polarities that used to exist within that thread as well as others. You seemed to have had it all figured out already. Another great thing about this site that has fallen by the wayside.

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Quoting DDR (Reply 21):
Is there a way to block certain people so you do not see their posts?

Good question and good idea!
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:12 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 22):
Good question and good idea!

Remember, A.Net's forum software is a very heavily modified version of an old forum build which has largely fallen out of use. However, in my opinion, it has stood the test of time well (notice the easy integration of Facebook, Digg, Twitter, and RSS feed options). With that said, the answer to that question is no.

However, the two most widely - utilized stable release message board software on the market today, Invision Power Board and PHPBB, both feature a "block" setting in the user control panel. Both software platforms have mechanisms for normal forum users to block PMs, and PHPBB has a feature for users to hide posts from certain usernames. But, it isn't like Facebook, where if you block someone, they are 99% invisible to you. Rather, if you add a user to your "Blocked Posts" list, their posts show up as a small bar saying "This message has not been loaded as XXXXXXXXXXXXX is on your ignore list. Click here to reveal this message."

I'm not sure if Invision Power Board features such a setting as standard, but just like all other forum software and programs in general, it has an exhaustive list of both payware and freeware modifications that can be installed by administration. It's really amazing how customizable the whole forum experience is.

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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:57 pm

As this is a forum where each post in the thread addresses ones before it (more or less), blocking would be more of a nuisance because by leaving out posts, the discussion is not fluid. The idea of blocking works better on sites like Facebook where user's posts are more self-contained. It really seems that the best policy is just to ignore people you don't like.
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:17 am

Quoting adipasquale (Reply 24):
It really seems that the best policy is just to ignore people you don't like.

It seems that the thread starter has vanished...
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:50 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 25):
It seems that the thread starter has vanished...

Could you please clarify what you mean by this, I'm not sure I understand.   
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Tue Jul 21, 2015 2:35 am

Quoting adipasquale (Reply 26):
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 25):It seems that the thread starter has vanished...

Could you please clarify what you mean by this, I'm not sure I understand.

The thread starter last replied over 4 months ago and furthermore, if you click on their profile link the following message comes up: "This account is no longer active."

It seems that they are gone; vanished just like the missing MH 777  
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:08 am

A simple fix would be the ability to have an ignore function. As I read through a lot of threads, there are some predictable people who will launch some obvious flamebait. If we could simply ignore such people, you'd never see their irritating nonsense and move on. We all get caught in the trap. You're bored, you read a thread and there it is. Something that sets you off at the wrong time. Next thing you're well on your way to a pissing match and a vacation.
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:54 pm

Showing restraint would be a very smart thing to do, and has saved me on a number of occassions. I have no idea why if you are insulted -- why would you respond? That is just fueling the troll. Now, when someone trolls me or my trip reports, I just head straight for the suggest delete button, and pretend they don't exist. No sense in playing a troll's game.

Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 28):
As I read through a lot of threads, there are some predictable people who will launch some obvious flamebait.

Most likely troll accounts, and yes, people do spend [throw away] $25 to be able to troll. It's pretty obvious when such accounts make very radical statements or only post in controversial topics or both.

Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 28):
If we could simply ignore such people, you'd never see their irritating nonsense and move on. We all get caught in the trap.

I don't get caught in the trap. I just report troll posts and troll accounts, then pretend they don't exist.

I wish I realized this earlier, but in 99.9% of cases of this that I've dealt with, responding to any kind of negative post directed towards me, whether made by a troll account or 'genuine' user, is just not worth it.

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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:02 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 27):
The thread starter last replied over 4 months ago and furthermore, if you click on their profile link the following message comes up: "This account is no longer active."

It seems that they are gone; vanished just like the missing MH 777  

Thank you. I feel like an idiot for not understanding what you meant by that.   
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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:30 pm

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 29):
Now, when someone trolls me or my trip reports, I just head straight for the suggest delete button, and pretend they don't exist.

  

I used to use the SD button, and every time I used it a post was deleted. Every time.

But here is the irony...

I was once sent on a vacation and one of the reasons given was that I used Suggest Delete too many times... Funny because every time I used that SD the post was deleted.

Since then I have never hit that button once, even if a post was a disgusting attack on another member full of offensive language...

Quoting adipasquale (Reply 30):
Thank you. I feel like an idiot for not understanding what you meant by that.

LOL

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RE: "Quarrelsome" Threads

Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:53 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 31):

I was once sent on a vacation

Firstly, get terminology, lol.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 31):

Since then I have never hit that button once, even if a post was a disgusting attack on another member full of offensive language...

Seccondly, don't give up on this please. If I had a sheckle for every time some blowhard with an opinion/agenda flamed away a great contributor... Well you get the idea. We're a lot better than a lot of forums and it's because we police ourselves as well as we do. Just sayin...
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