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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:40 am

Any chances of sign that I have a post in this thread like it was at the old A.net?
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:06 am

skyzk wrote:
Probably been said somewhere but it would be great to "Like" or thumbs up a post. Perhaps saving room on many similar posts.

We have that suggestion on the list. No guarantees it will happen and for now low priority.


Francoflier wrote:
Is there any hope of the login - homepage redirect ever being fixed?

Yes, I have hope that it will be fixed.
I've been told that it's holiday time in the US, and one of the developers that we were in contact most is currently away. Once he returns (next week?) I hope we can make some visible progress again. Sorry it's taking so long.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:10 am

Kulverstukas, Yes, but don't know when it will be implemented. In phpbb you can set an image to different status, but not all statuses have deicated images from start so they have to be made. Likely not a high priority.
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Like other things, it's on the to do list :)
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:16 pm

John you forget pinned topics ;)
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:28 pm

kulverstukas wrote:
John you forget pinned topics ;)

Demmit, almost had it :D
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:41 pm

airkas1 wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
Is there any hope of the login - homepage redirect ever being fixed?

Yes, I have hope that it will be fixed.
I've been told that it's holiday time in the US, and one of the developers that we were in contact most is currently away. Once he returns (next week?) I hope we can make some visible progress again. Sorry it's taking so long.

I wrote the above earlier this morning, but have received an E-mail just now that they're still looking into this (and not per se waiting for next week). So it will be fixed, but I don't have an exact ETA.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:13 pm

How do you change your password?
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:20 pm

Planesmart wrote:
How do you change your password?

Click the icon/three bars top left on main page, choose settings/my account and then security, or go here:
https://www.airliners.net/user/account/settings/security
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:26 pm

I guess the change to brackets and all caps for Off-Airport locations and closed airfields is permanent, then, yes? As it appears to have been retroactively added to pre-upgrade entries.

I realize I've harped on this, but it's sad to see all the work I did submitting corrections being flushed like that.

VVVV Thanks, good to hear that
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:37 pm

SabreHog wrote:
I guess the change to brackets and all caps for Off-Airport locations and closed airfields is permanent, then, yes? As it appears to have been retroactively added to pre-upgrade entries.

I realize I've harped on this, but it's sad to see all the work I did submitting corrections being flushed like that.

I think it looks horrible compared to the old format, so not over and done as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:26 am

Good day.
What happened with the site again? Two of my photos were accepted today #3955399 and #3955401.
But I am not unable to find it during website search by photographer name, location, registration, type. Unable to find it in 24 hrs added. These photos visible only when clicking on photographer and in photographer corner.

Regards,
Oleg
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:29 am

olegchaplin wrote:
Good day.
What happened with the site again? Two of my photos were accepted today #3955399 and #3955401.
But I am not unable to find it during website search by photographer name, location, registration, type. Unable to find it in 24 hrs added. These photos visible only when clicking on photographer and in photographer corner.


Info here: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1342021
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:50 am

airkas1 wrote:

Thanks!
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:40 am

Looks like there is still a bug in the code somewhere, I can't login on my phone using Firefox. It always returns back an "Invalid Login" response despite my username and password being correct.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:43 pm

JohnKrist wrote:
EL-AL wrote:
Sorry if that was discussed before, but where are the personal photo albums? I made nice album of all the planes I flew on and I can not find it. Thx!

On front page click the icon in the top right corner (on smaller screens the three bars) and choose Profile. On small screens it's My account, and then View Profile. There you will find a drop down with About, Photos, Albums and Favorites. Or, simply click this link https://www.airliners.net/user/EL-AL/profile/albums


I had a related question before and I was glad to see today that the way the photos in the albums are displayed has changed. I have a few more follow-up recommendations though:

  • The photos seem to be ordered with the most viewed first. Any chance to add more options such as displaying the most recently added photo first? Other options would be sorting by airline, airport or aircraft type (not important for me though)
  • Would it be possible to add the option to display e.g. 20/40/60/120 photos per page? I recall the old page had up to 120 photos per page
  • Maybe I overlooked this, but there used to be an option 'edit photos in album', where photos could be moved around within the photo album. Haven't seen this yet but I used it quite a lot
  • A super bonus would be to have the option to display the photo previews only (without any captions). The old page had such an option which I had used for my album

It would be great if the above recommendations could be configured for each album, so if a visitor opens the album he'd see the album exactly the way the author has defined it.

I admit my request is a bit selfish as it is for my photo flight-log, too (similar to EL-AL's request), but its the only way the photo flightlogs work if the photos can be sorted in chronological order of the flights.

Thanks very much in advance!
Cheers,
Loran
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:18 pm

Sorry if it has been discussed but one matter about site design.

The new statistic information now is presented like 76,4K of 38,3M views. It might be good for graphic things, for general presentations. It is very modern feature but rather unuseful and inconvinient if we talk about tables and ratings. I don't know if anybody else care but I'd like to see the exact figures of my views for the shot or general info.

Could it be changed if people will say they would like to see 4.125 views insted of 4K?

Regards,

Fyodor
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:51 am

JohnKrist wrote:
Kulverstukas, Yes, but don't know when it will be implemented. In phpbb you can set an image to different status, but not all statuses have deicated images from start so they have to be made. Likely not a high priority.
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Like other things, it's on the to do list :)


That doesn't sound difficult - just take the existing images and do something like paste an exclamation mark over the corner of all of them. Voila!
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:30 pm

SomebodyInTLS wrote:

That doesn't sound difficult - just take the existing images and do something like paste an exclamation mark over the corner of all of them. Voila!


No way. Based on what we see since site relaunch it must take couple month and hard work of huge developers team to implement. They also must break main page and photo screening in process. :-|
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:32 pm

kulverstukas wrote:
SomebodyInTLS wrote:

That doesn't sound difficult - just take the existing images and do something like paste an exclamation mark over the corner of all of them. Voila!


No way. Based on what we see since site relaunch it must take couple month and hard work of huge developers team to implement. They also must break main page and photo screening in process. :-|


Well, I could do it as I did it on my own phpbb site, but it looks like shite :P
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:05 pm

Much prefer old site format. Sorry guys
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:49 pm

BTW can't miss another chance to point on quality degradation of photo after download: there clearly visible that reg. on nose gear hatch became unreadable:

Image
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:43 am

Hoping the homepage layout (and overall site layout) bug is fixed soon......
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:49 am

Further to the issue about whether the top 5 photos are displayed horizontally or vertically I note that in IE11 they are displayed horizontally and in Firefox v48.02 they are displayed vertically. This is on Windows 7 SP1 at a resolution of 1440x900.

IE11 below:

Image

Firefox v48.02 below:

Image

Edited for typos.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:46 am

SamYeager2016, check that you have 100% zoom in Firefox, and it seems IE is maximized, and Firefox isn't
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:20 pm

JohnKrist wrote:
SamYeager2016, check that you have 100% zoom in Firefox, and it seems IE is maximized, and Firefox isn't


Looks like it was the zoom. I'm still astounded the A.net site is so fussy about that though. BTW how can I see what the zoom level is as FF doesn't seem to show the value?
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:27 pm

SamYeager2016 wrote:
Looks like it was the zoom. I'm still astounded the A.net site is so fussy about that though. BTW how can I see what the zoom level is as FF doesn't seem to show the value?

You can press the menu-button at top right of FF. On the second line of the pop up window (below copy/paste) the zoom level is indicated and can be changed. I found that one only when searching for it due to the display issues of a.net.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:03 pm

glen wrote:
You can press the menu-button at top right of FF. On the second line of the pop up window (below copy/paste) the zoom level is indicated and can be changed. I found that one only when searching for it due to the display issues of a.net.


Cheers glen.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:20 pm

A small update has just been released for the homepage layout. The page should now not break to mobile right away like it did in the past and if you start making the screen smaller it should remain in desktop mode. Users using smaller screens will experience a desktop view without interruption. So there is a lot more time now before it goes to mobile. Let us know if you have any problems thank you.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:01 am

Great job, folks.

Image

How engaged are visitors to airliners.net?
Bounce Rate
41.30%
/\ 17.00%

How fast does airliners.net load?
Slow (2.468 Seconds), 70% of sites are faster.

Continue improving!
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:59 am

RottenRay wrote:
How engaged are visitors to airliners.net?
Bounce Rate
41.30%
/\ 17.00%


The high bounce rate could be the result of dissatisfaction with the site design or it could be the outcome of the default behaviour when clicking on an external link. On the old site, a link would open in a new window or tab but on this site the link opens in the same window. It can be very difficult to retain viewers once they have moved to another site as they may become more interested in that site or follow another link from it rather than try and find their way back to this one.

Perhaps the old default of opening external links in a new window or tab could be introduced here.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:05 am

PanAm_DC10 wrote:
A small update has just been released for the homepage layout. The page should now not break to mobile right away like it did in the past and if you start making the screen smaller it should remain in desktop mode. Users using smaller screens will experience a desktop view without interruption. So there is a lot more time now before it goes to mobile. Let us know if you have any problems thank you.

Now it looks much better on my screen (1280x1024 resolution). :mrgreen:
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:16 pm

Just wondering if the failed retention of log-in detail is happening across all browsers ? I'm on the new Microsoft Edge browser that came with Win10 and cannot retain an A.net log-in, same on my Windows 8.1 phone. Is anyone having better luck with Chrome for example ? I wonder what the problem actually is, retention of log-in cookie info seems to be the most basic of website features...
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:12 pm

JannEejit wrote:
Just wondering if the failed retention of log-in detail is happening across all browsers ? I'm on the new Microsoft Edge browser that came with Win10 and cannot retain an A.net log-in, same on my Windows 8.1 phone. Is anyone having better luck with Chrome for example ? I wonder what the problem actually is, retention of log-in cookie info seems to be the most basic of website features...


I'm using Chrome on Windows 10 on a desktop and laptop. Both keep me logged in for about a week to ten days before I have to sign-in again.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:58 pm

RottenRay wrote:
Great job, folks.

Image

How engaged are visitors to airliners.net?
Bounce Rate
41.30%
/\ 17.00%

How fast does airliners.net load?
Slow (2.468 Seconds), 70% of sites are faster.

Continue improving!


Its almost mirroring Demand Media's stock performance and public profile.

This is what happens when you literally have one guy "working" on the site. Terrible management and development team..
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:03 pm

scbriml wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
Just wondering if the failed retention of log-in detail is happening across all browsers ? I'm on the new Microsoft Edge browser that came with Win10 and cannot retain an A.net log-in, same on my Windows 8.1 phone. Is anyone having better luck with Chrome for example ? I wonder what the problem actually is, retention of log-in cookie info seems to be the most basic of website features...


I'm using Chrome on Windows 10 on a desktop and laptop. Both keep me logged in for about a week to ten days before I have to sign-in again.


Chrome on W8.1 doesn't maintain log-in at all. Maybe a couple of hours if I'm lucky then have to go through the whole process again. Remember me button does nothing.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:29 pm

LenPepperbottom wrote:
This is what happens when you literally have one guy "working" on the site. Terrible management and development team..


Posts like this are off topic, pointless, non constructive and wrong, borderline flame bait. You have been a member for a full two months so You have only been a member since the change, still you got all of DM and the development team figured in that short time.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:58 pm

Good to see the screen issue finally got fixed.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:03 pm

JohnKrist wrote:
LenPepperbottom wrote:
This is what happens when you literally have one guy "working" on the site. Terrible management and development team..


Posts like this are off topic, pointless, non constructive and wrong, borderline flame bait. You have been a member for a full two months so You have only been a member since the change, still you got all of DM and the development team figured in that short time.


How is stating facts based on what information you release flame bait? One of your colleagues said a few weeks ago that the person in charge of actually implementing the updates was out of the office. That tells me there's one person working on the site. Can you clear up the confusion by having the team do a Q&A perhaps? Or we can just continue to be left in the dark and be forced to speculate.

Would you say the management and development team has done a good job with the implementation of new site? I don't think calling the outcome of it so far as "terrible" is out of line at all. I've been around for a long time on the internet and I've never seen such a poorly managed roll-out by a major internet company. Again, not a flame, just an observation based on hundreds of feedback messages.

And lastly, I've been on the site for over a decade.
 
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Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:08 pm

LenPepperBottom, read again, the developer in charge of the update was out of office, and that has nothing to do with the actual number of developers working on the site.
 
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Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:02 pm

JohnKrist wrote:
LenPepperBottom, read again, the developer in charge of the update was out of office, and that has nothing to do with the actual number of developers working on the site.


That's even worse than I thought. So its not just one ineffective developer its a whole team with problems. How can the site possibly explain this execution?

And further your attitude is just not necessary. I've seen how you've reacted to this whole thing and its just not very professional.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:13 pm

LenPepperbottom wrote:
JohnKrist wrote:
LenPepperBottom, read again, the developer in charge of the update was out of office, and that has nothing to do with the actual number of developers working on the site.


That's even worse than I thought. So its not just one ineffective developer its a whole team with problems. How can the site possibly explain this execution?

And further your attitude is just not necessary. I've seen how you've reacted to this whole thing and its just not very professional.


No, it does not mean there's a whole team with problems, what it means is that you have a lead developer or product owner that approves what gets pushed in a release, or not depending on their status.

And yes, I may be a bit grumpy, and reply from my heart, when non constructive, pointless posts are made over and over again. What did you hope to achieve with your original post? How will that post help with moving the site forward? Have you checked the update thread lately to see what has been done since the update was released? The site is getting better every single week, which is why I get a bit tired of the negativity and DM crew bashing tirade.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:02 pm

JohnKrist wrote:
LenPepperbottom wrote:
JohnKrist wrote:
LenPepperBottom, read again, the developer in charge of the update was out of office, and that has nothing to do with the actual number of developers working on the site.


That's even worse than I thought. So its not just one ineffective developer its a whole team with problems. How can the site possibly explain this execution?

And further your attitude is just not necessary. I've seen how you've reacted to this whole thing and its just not very professional.


No, it does not mean there's a whole team with problems, what it means is that you have a lead developer or product owner that approves what gets pushed in a release, or not depending on their status.

And yes, I may be a bit grumpy, and reply from my heart, when non constructive, pointless posts are made over and over again. What did you hope to achieve with your original post? How will that post help with moving the site forward? Have you checked the update thread lately to see what has been done since the update was released? The site is getting better every single week, which is why I get a bit tired of the negativity and DM crew bashing tirade.


In all fairness JohnKrist, the negativity and "DM crew bashing" is fully justified when it takes upwards of THREE MONTHS (and counting) for a full team of devs to seemingly be unable to implement a simple cookie store on the user's device to save having to re-login every visit. Basically the whole DM crew wants sacking and some competent people need hiring in their place. I'm sure this won't sit well with you but I'd bet that the majority of the users feel much the same.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:52 am

Why can I only view an Airliners.net link in a post when I am not logged in?

Sorry if it has been mentioned but is this my settings or a bug? I think internal hyperlinks should work no matter what your settings are..

This is the message I get..

"No posts exist inside this topic for the selected time frame."
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:21 am

When I sign in from a particular forum, after signing in, I am always taken to the home page. Earlier, it would take me to the page I was on when I clicked the login button. Why is this regression? Its irritating to be taken to some other page after signing in.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:15 am

blrsea wrote:
When I sign in from a particular forum, after signing in, I am always taken to the home page. Earlier, it would take me to the page I was on when I clicked the login button. Why is this regression? Its irritating to be taken to some other page after signing in.

It's on the fix list and has been escalated, that together with the login/logout issue are high priority in the current sprint.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:29 am

LenPepperbottom wrote:
You can be grumpy and speak from the heart because you are frustrated but when we do it for the same reason we are censored and threatened with being banned. How is that fair? There are no reasons why I should cut you and DM slack in this situation- close to a decade of false promises and letdowns give the users all the right to be fed up with you.

Difference is I don't do name calling or bashing of anyone... There is no such thing as "fair game" just "because it's DM". Hostility against users or crew has never been allowed, and never will be. If you don't like the site, fine, adress what's wrong with the site itself, not the people behind it.

LenPepperbottom wrote:
I'm going to do everything I can within the terms of service to call it out and stop its progress into this website because I care about the integrity of the current community (or what's left). DM's interest in this website died with Paulo and what we are seeing is a uninspired half-measure to update it.

Contrary to what you think we are very passionate about the site, and so are the developers. We also got a new general manager a while back, Ashoor, and he is an aviation nut and very passionate about airliners. I agree that the airliners remake was long over due, but now it's here and we are working really hard to fix things and improve it. It's a huge project. The roll out of the first iteration was a decision by the old General manager, and I agree that it wasn't well thought through. With Ashoor we have gone from that to what we have now, and the incoming positive/negative e-mail now is 10 to 1 insead of 1 to 10 before. So we are getting there, and is one of the reasons posts like yours make me grumpy.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:09 pm

OMG, new Homepage. Respectively old Homepage, almost. I'm so happy!
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:35 am

Happy friday all, Good news this morning, login now re-direct you back to where you came from in most cases.
Fixes has also been applied to the remember me function so that should have improved as well.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:08 am

But please do let us know if you encounter any problems with logging in or the redirect function.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Fri Sep 16, 2016 2:52 pm

The redirect back to the original page is working now.

The login remembering is not working. I just logged in with remember me, exited Safari, came immediately back in, clicked my bookmark and my login was forgotten already. (My bookmark link is https://www.airliners.net/aviation-forum ... _aviation/ if that helps any.)

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