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EYKD
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Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:26 am

Is it just me, or the Control Panel looks totally different in different browsers and operating systems? I used Mozilla Firefox under Windows XP and Chrome under Windows 7 and had two control panels layed out totally different, not only in terms of appearance but also in terms of available controls and settings.

UPDATE: It turned out that the Control Panel appearance depends on if you are "fully signed-in" or just "pre-signed" to the forum. Many users noticed that the site welcomes them by inscription in the upper right corner, yet still SIGN IN button is above and active. That is what I referred to as "pre-signed".
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benjjk
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:30 am

I'm sure this is a great upgrade for mobile users, but I on on PC and I hate the new forums. I'm going to try and be constructive instead of just having a whinge.

I like the front page, lots of big pictures to grab your attention. Scrolling through photos is good for the same reason, but when I open the photo to see a larger version of it, I wish I didn't have to scroll so far down to see the caption. Also in the same screen it would be good to just click the right arrow and see the next photo on that list (of, for example, top photos of the last 7 days), instead of just the other ones from the same photographer.

The colour scheme of the forums makes it too hard to read. Also it used to be so easy to quote selected text, and text from multiple posts, but I haven't figured out how to do that yet. I miss how compact it was but in time I'm sure I will adjust.

It's a shame because the forums now feel very generic. Though the option of having a profile photo is good.
 
PanHAM
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:37 am

sorry to say, but this new design is awful. The Background Color is eye soring, the design is a giant leap backwards, it is confusing. The photo section as well, I used to check the "Airports" category every morning, I could not find that category yet. looking at the users online, I find that the numbers are steadily going down. Right so, it is no fun using this Forum any loner, or until the old Version Comes back
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kazakb
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:50 am

I'm having issues opening some photos, and am getting a "404 File not found" error message, when I try and full size a photo.
 
laxboeingman
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:21 am

Thank you to those who worked on the site. Thank you to Demand for putting money into it.

I echo those who have said they miss the blue background and it now looks like any old forum instead of the aviation forum we all knew and loved. I am sure I will get around to it, but I miss the old site, at least for now.

My web analytics professor said that old sites that worked were still good. What matters is that they worked. I know that people wanted a refresh - and thought there should be some, I was in that group some of the time - but an entirely new site?

I do not like the way the photos are displayed. It is way too much scrolling to find all of the data. I am also not a huger of fan of the white, and I wish the country flags would come back. I also miss the jumbo in the header and "Airliners.net" as the title. Isn't that what the site is called? That's the brand. I think of Airliners as a magazine, not as our beloved website. It seems like there is too much stacked and that there is not an efficient use of horizontal space.

I am still exploring the new site, however.
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laxboeingman
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:25 am

I like seeing who is online and who is in the thread. Is there any way the default for hyperlinks to be open in new tab?

Also, how do I edit my info in my profile?

I am still trying to decide what I think of the forum, but I do like the photo slider on the homepage, as others have said.
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klemmi85
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:56 am

Hi everyone...

I'm a reader since the mid 2000s and registered in 2009. I'm not a frequent poster but I was a frequent reader. Until now... this is really gone bad! There's nothing even remotely reminding me of the previous version of a.net

If you take a look at my occupation, you'll see that as a designer I'm often faced with redesigns of matured websites, print media and so on. It's always the first and most important rule for me to NOT start everything all over again – this confuses people and could destroy a brand – but to take what's there and evolve it to the next level. By doing so, I keep the identity people are used to but still bring in a fresh breeze to adapt to current design and UX requirements.

That being said, it should not have been a really big problem to just take the old design, make it state of the art front end technology and hire some experienced developers to clean up the mess under the hood. Doing so would have kept the original layout to a certain extend and still provide some fresh input, looks and functionality. I recently had a client of mine who had a five year old website, not running any CMS or the like but still wanted to keep its design because that's his brand. What I did was taking the design, "translate" it to the state-of-art mobile friendly front end and add some fresh looking elements throughout the page so the website looked fresh but still much like the old version. I'd bet some people didn't even notice a difference at first until they fired up a mobile browser which was a pain before and now the page was displayed in a readable way. That's evolution, that's what you do with long grown brands, websites and the like to NOT scare everyone away. If you take this new "design" of a.net and change the top logo "Airliners" to "Fruityplanes" it would just be like any other site out there, just looking the same like every other "modern" community as well which means you took the unique, unmistakeable look of a.net and trashed it for something with absolutely no unique characteristics at all. Just remove the logo and you wouldn't know where you are.

As for the forums – yes... that's an even more drastic approach one cannot understand. Here goes the same like with the website itself... if you feel you need to change what's under the bonnet, don't even think of touching the front end for more than an refresh because again – you irritate everyone. And if we're honest, it's not that you guys can tell me it's impossible to do so because of yada yada – it isn't. You can take every design out there in the world, rewrite it from scratch so it meets all modern days requirements like mobile friendliness and so on so that YOU have your new basis and modern software and still the community is put in an environment it is used to. Be it the flags, the RR, the whatever... with someone who knows their stuff, all this could easily be integrated in whatsoever software you're picking to use.

So one can conclude that you guys simply didn't want to keep a.net as it was – in terms of the basic design and so on – because it would have been a 100% possible to do so. If you just wanted. But you didn't. I therefor think the heritage and "brand" that grew over the last years was simply thrown to the trash without thinking much about it really, otherwise you would have chosen a different path and everyone even remotely in touch with the design and marketing business would have advised exactly the same I just did. If you really spent money on this and hired "professionals" to create this kind of a mess you definitely made the wrong choice.

I won't go into design details here because others have already stated what went wrong and that most of them are layman and still recognize many problems at first glance says everything about how good the choice of designers was. The page that went live here doesn't even belong in a non-live development environment because it is just so utterly far off of what airliners.net used to be and you guys spend that much time on this? Seriously?

As for me, I won't bother with this a.net anymore because it just isn't a.net anymore. It is something completely different from how it looks, how it feels, how it works. If I have to get used to something entirely new anyway, I can just as well go somewhere else to stay in touch with aviation enthusiasts. If you treat your user base like this, there's no point in being loyal as you do what you want anyway.

From a professional perspective – this redesign (which it really isn't) is the worst you could have done. To even think for a minute that you could just throw everything over board and no resistance would arise is just unbelievable. What did you actually think would happen? Hands clapping and cheering?

Even if you bring back the old design now, the damage is already done because why on earth should any user trust you in not changing this site all over again when someone feels like doing so is a good idea? What you did – you just don't do that. Period.

RIP a.net, you've been a very good friend it's sad to see you've turned this way. May this be of success for you – only without me anymore.
quit a.net 07/2016
 
zkeye
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:06 am

LKlemmi85,

Your post sums up exactly how I feel about this abomination of an "upgrade". They (DM not the mods) simply don't care - look at the utterly unbelievable response to the privacy issue for example. It is such a goddamn shame.
Bring out the gimp
 
pac
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:10 am

You just have to watch users Online ...17 ? it never has been that low...
ome on A.net thats not what you want create here ?
I first found this page in 1997 and become an member 1999 !
and since that I was visiting this Page nearly every day !!!!
It was one of the fun Pages on the Internet !
Searching for Aircraft / Airlines / Airports !
A.net was an Hobby for me
but not anymore , with that update you created an Facebook for Airplanes Fotos !
which looks it was designed for Kids !
I only can repeat what klemmi just mentioned before !
RIP A.net you just burried yourself and it looks to mee you just dont care about it !
and goodbye
 
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HGL
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:15 am

PanHAM wrote:
looking at the users online, I find that the numbers are steadily going down.

It's even worse when you look at the user names and see things like Yahoo[Bot], Google Adsense [Bot] and Google[Bot] inflating the list.
Qui omnes despicit, omnibus displicit.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:31 am

Hi there!

I am a frequent user of this site since 2000 and became a member in 2005.
I really liked the old layout...but am sure to be able to adjust to the new one.

Times change and so can I...one Thing I really do not understand however, is the fact that ads are being displayed, even when I am a paying member of this site and the page should be ad free!
Looking at another thread opened by a moderator, on the list of things being rectified...this problem is not on their list.
Bummer...
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JimJupiter
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:35 am

laxboeingman wrote:
Thank you to Demand for putting money into it.


Now that's funny. ;) Our independent football fan forum, completely run on a volunteer basis and without any money from elsewhere, managed to migrate without displaying real names, "forgetting" crucial copyright issues etc. ...
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ThReaTeN
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:40 am

pac wrote:
You just have to watch users Online ...17 ? it never has been that low...

Where do you guys see the number of logged in users?

Edit: Oh, here? viewonline.php

And why exactly is my user represented with the image of a skull? Jesus Christ.
 
dragon-wings
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:46 am

When I click on reply to respond to a thread why do I get brought back to the home page after I log in? When you log in you should go right to the reply.

Also when I clicked on "top of last 24 hours" there was only 10 photos there is that right? Is that all the new photos uploaded in the last 24 hours? Or am I not looking in the right place to find the new photos added to the website?

And there should be the registration of the plane in the thumbnail!

And how do I get to the site related forums (I got here through a link in the non aviation forum)? You used to be able to get here after you logged on. I am logged on now and there is no site related link in the drop down menu.
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:21 am

Just as a side; why did paid membership cease? I'm happy to pay for a good service; as I'm sure many others are?

Sadly as it stands at the moment I actually cannot view it as is; for the ads slow my PC down to the point where it fills the cache and kills it completely...
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:30 am

This may have already been mentioned, but I miss the option to hover over ICAO and IATA codes to see what the airport/airline is. I have become very good over time (mainly due to this feature) but it can't be assumed that every member knows the, given how often they are used.

If there is some way to bring this feature in to the new interface then I would recommend it!
Let's fly! Unless it's on a CRJ 200, then I'll stay down here.
 
zkeye
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:44 am

fhrx wrote:
Just as a side; why did paid membership cease? I'm happy to pay for a good service;


It would appear that a good service is no longer offered.
Bring out the gimp
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:55 am

pac wrote:
You just have to watch users Online ...17 ? it never has been that low...
ome on A.net thats not what you want create here ?
I first found this page in 1997 and become an member 1999 !
and since that I was visiting this Page nearly every day !!!!
It was one of the fun Pages on the Internet !
Searching for Aircraft / Airlines / Airports !
A.net was an Hobby for me
but not anymore , with that update you created an Facebook for Airplanes Fotos !
which looks it was designed for Kids !
I only can repeat what klemmi just mentioned before !
RIP A.net you just burried yourself and it looks to mee you just dont care about it !
and goodbye


It was site about airliners photos. It was build around fine photos which thousands people contribute for 20 years. It was site with most demanding screening, known around a world for it's hardness... And now it compress and upsized photos uploaded and cut parts of them at homepage. Such a shame!

You bring your old and weathered photo camera into service and after a year you get it back.
- WTF?!
- Oh! You see, we don't only repair it, we make it even better! Now it now you can post to social media your feelings with this button! And here is GPS inside! And here Wi-Fi for connecting to hotspots for check-ins. And special button for like other owners of same model cameras.
- But what about photos? I used it to shoot planes!
- Sorry, guy, this still under construction. But we can squeeze this old iPhone 2 inside, so you don't loose ability to shoot photos.
 
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kulverstukas
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:56 am

zkeye wrote:
fhrx wrote:
Just as a side; why did paid membership cease? I'm happy to pay for a good service;


It would appear that a good service is no longer offered.


As was stated here by crew members, it's now free of charge and full of ads.
 
p201055r
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:01 am

Clearly there's much disgust and dissatisfaction with the way the site now appears and operates; serious issues concerning identity revelation and photo copyright and so much more. As I mentioned earlier, I sincerely hope this can all be fixed sooner rather than later. My drop-in visits are less now than at any time over the past 10 or more years and I am more and more exasperated trying to move around the site. There's nothing intuitive about it any more.

An allusion somewhere further up this thread to being challenged at gunpoint in Srebrenica during the Yugoslav War is not quite the same experience as - and in my view it is disingenuous to liken it to - that of contributors who survive in countries where anything airport or aviation-related is adjudged high-security and restricted but who continue at some personal risk to life and freedom to provide quality photo and other inputs into the site.
And the contribution of aviation professionals whose material here might conflict with their employment or other interests cannot be ignored either.

We're being asked to be patient while the bugs are fixed; to understand there is a priority list of remedial work to be done - formulated after less than 24 hours or so online in the new format; not to jump on the moderators/developers/owners.
All very well, perhaps, had there been an effort to bring a swathe of users into the revamp or to announce in advance where the site was heading.
The first I (and I reckon many others) knew of it was the Tuesday announcement that the site was in the hangar for maintenance.
Whether we were Free or First Class members before, the readership/usership deserved a better and more professional service from the owners. We still do.
The litany of faults and complaints which have been revealed within 24 hours of re-opening points to an incomplete understanding - probably through lack of consultation - of what was required by the membership and lack of testing before introduction. Sad and inexcusable on both counts. Where's the professionalism we used to enjoy from the site in that approach?

I'm prepared to give it a week to come around to somewhere near its previous self; for the bugs to be fixed, the identity and photographic issues put to rights; the three AdChoices blocks - top, left and right - to stop clogging up/distracting the view and more. If things don't improve, then it will probably be time to move onwards and upwards.
Perhaps dissatisfaction here will lead to a revised and user-friendly site elsewhere, a true successor to the formerly great airliners.net.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:14 am

When I checked my profile I noticed that my post count was over 2,000 posts lower than before? Are there more of you out there where this has also happened?

And does anyone know why this is?
 
terrywade
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:25 am

The more I look at the new site the more I dislike it.

On my Iphone5 the adverts are truly awful, in fact I really can't use my mobile to look at the site anymore.

I feel that all the time and effort I've taken since 2005 uploading over 4000+ images to
ANET has been wasted, now seeing my images presented the way they are on the new site, it's really disappointing!

Where has the upload statistics gone under photographers corner? Yes I can see the images I have waiting for screening but can't seem to find where in the queue they are?

In my opinion the new site is no where near as good as the old one. Why change something that was already really good, but that seems the way of the world nowadays!
 
zkeye
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:35 am

kulverstukas wrote:
zkeye wrote:
fhrx wrote:
Just as a side; why did paid membership cease? I'm happy to pay for a good service;


It would appear that a good service is no longer offered.


As was stated here by crew members, it's now free of charge and full of ads.


Yep - you get what you pay for.
Bring out the gimp
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:38 am

p201055r wrote:
All very well, perhaps, had there been an effort to bring a swathe of users into the revamp or to announce in advance where the site was heading.


OK, now I can formulated what's wrong with whole look there. This is just mobile version of A.net - m.airliners.net - which I get any time I open Airliners.net on my mobile phone, and now it's became desktop version. Yes, it's touch screen friendly and possible looks good on 5"-8" screens with >224ppi. Unfortunately, I think that as more money now generated in mobile web it's inevitable that site will remain this way. Also I think we will see "A.net Market" button for in[s]game[/s]site purchase of likes and stars... :roll:
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oldannyboy
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:39 am

This redesign is a mega-disaster folks... Let's just be honest. And the absolutely overwhelming huge amount of negative comments just proves this.

You've gone for such a radical re-design for really no reason. I mean, I can see the technical reasons behind the idea, but there was no need to touch the style, the layout, the very essence of what this site was. It's like one of those un-needed radical facelifts that rather than making somebody look younger they just make them look like somebody else. Pity.

if something this bad had happened in some private company which seriously values its brand, trust me, somebody would have been politely shown to the back door....
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:54 am

I will not say that I do not like. :) I want to ask if it is technically easy return links work here in this format: www.airliners.net/open.file/2832090/L/
The fact that a very large part of the internet links in the materials of our site are in this format. And now they do not work. This is a minus for the site traffic.
Also links https://www.airliners.net/photo-details/10705 format now do not work correctly.
 
bunumuring
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:03 am

Yuck yuck yuck....
I absolutely HATE the changes...
Why was I getting scantily clad Asian women down either side of the forum page I was unsuccessfully trying to read? Oh, because there were ads there yet I'm not supposed to be getting ads!
I haven't found even one thing close to being 'an improvement'... It's all so negative to me.
So, to whoever is behind this massively bad overhaul, who is to blame? How much consultation did you actually do with those who pay (ie. The likes of me!!!) to use this site?
This is a total fail fail fail in my opinion.
I really hope that those power brokers behind this website ARE responsive to feedback... My $$$ to them depends upon it.
I applaud change and improvement, but this is a masterclass in bad change management... And I deal with that in my professional career daily, as well as website design and training/development. You want details? PM me... I'll let you know in great detail where you have all gone wrong.
Cheers, but cranky really,
Bunumuring.
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P206
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:14 am

I'm sure it has already been said but,to white/to bright
 
gpw55
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:23 am

fhrx wrote:
Just as a side; why did paid membership cease? I'm happy to pay for a good service; as I'm sure many others are?

Sadly as it stands at the moment I actually cannot view it as is; for the ads slow my PC down to the point where it fills the cache and kills it completely...


AGREE 100 PERCENT
 
102IAHexpress
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:37 am

well it was fun while it lasted. But all good things....

RIP airliners.net

Mods delete my account please.

Thanks.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:38 am

bunumuring wrote:
Why was I getting scantily clad Asian women down either side of the forum page I was unsuccessfully trying to read?


Hey, you're getting those for free! There are other sites where you have to pay for that sort of stuff. ;)
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:39 am

I just want to point out my proposal for Airliners.net 2.0 which I have posted on April 2nd, 2016:

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1334399

What I feared came true.

Membership fees? YES! Not only to get rid of ads, but also to create a genuine pressure on the a.net crew to do their job right, and listen to their customers.

But a.nut seems to be the milking cow for Demand Media. There are tons of free phpBB boards that are visually more appealing, have a more responsible team, do their privacy right...

I go crying now. And I'll see next week if things have improved. Please shoot me if I return earlier than Thursday, 23rd. Even if things get exciting now with the MS804 accident (wreck located at the seaground).


David
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Hut
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:23 pm

So I started with a rant and after a bad day at work was actually angry enough with this to attempt a meaningful response.

For a site that is thrives on the active participation of its membership changes to the way that is members interact should be approached with caution, advance warning, and the active involvement of the members themselves.

I'm a long time lurker, and maybe missed some of the above, but as a result of this redesign find myself confronted with a sudden and poorly communicated change that actually makes it difficult to use the site.

With the community in open revolt and a word full of alternatives immediate action should be taken to address the feedback given.

Next Steps:
  1. Roll Back, apologize and seek community involvement in requirements for revised look of site
  2. If you don't have a roll back plan, try for one,
  3. If a roll back is not technically possible - get it as close as possible
  4. Seek Professional Help - Missing skills include, but are not limited to graphic design, change management, communications
  5. Once the site is back to its former glory (or something much closer) work with the membership to build something that works for the masses going forward

[rant]
Okay - the good - you forced a long time lurker to sign up.

The bad - I signed up to implore you to roll back... so am unlikely to be an active member ever again.

How this ever got out of Dev I will never know - has anyone heard of Testing, Beta (or even Color Theory) - or did I miss it???
[/rant]
 
ringlasergyro
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:09 pm

Unfortunately i have to disagree that the site has been "upgraded" at all.

For years i've used the airliners.net site and to see one of my favourite websites turned upside down like this is just irritating.

In short, the user interface has been completely dismantled. The reason the site was so popular was its ease of use - very efficient, and was very easy to navigate. Now trying to do a simple photo search on a laptop is just awful. Everything has simply exploded across the screen - far too much white space, scrolling and far too little information. I don't even know where to begin. Its like everything has just exploded across the screen.

The last time an aviation website (flightglobal) did a major overhaul like this, i stopped using it, as the user interface was just too annoying.

From the look of this forum even before i posted my reply, it seems the majority of users agree.

I really hope you take the collective feedback on board and return to the site we all knew and loved.
 
m1m2
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:11 pm

I feel the same way as most here, I don't think the new site is an improvement. One feature I really miss is the "continue where you left off" option you had when logging in. I don't like the new forums, that's mainly what I used airliners.net for. I can see pictures of airplanes anywhere, but Airliners is (or maybe was) a community and I liked reading the forums.

I visited this site at least a couple of times per day, but as others have said before me, my visits will most likely become fewer and farther in between. Airliners was part of my routine, but I guess I might have to add something else to that routine.

Sorry to be a critic, but I think you went too far too fast, now the site seems entirely different, so it's not like visiting Airliners.net at all, but some other site.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:55 pm

zkeye wrote:
LKlemmi85,

Your post sums up exactly how I feel about this abomination of an "upgrade". They (DM not the mods) simply don't care - look at the utterly unbelievable response to the privacy issue for example. It is such a goddamn shame.


My sentiments exactly. Don't think I'll be using a.net much anymore. And I've been a regular visitor/poster for over 15 years. :cry:

Jeremy
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:12 pm

The continued pathetic response from the airliners.net “Development Team” is simply unacceptable. No...you do not deserve 24 hours to fix anything. It should have been right the first time. First off they are now a “team” and not a “crew”; this is just the tip of the iceberg as the site makes a huge pivot from being aviation focused to whatever you call it today. Their blatant disregard for privacy or photo ownership is simply insulting to those of us who have visited this website daily and contributed for more than a decade. The fact that they have to “investigate ways to improve the forum”, is another example of how the new team at airliners and Demand Media simply has no idea what they are doing. If you look at the other demand media sites you can see they all look basically the same. The forums are unreadable with this horrible white background and red headers.

You have alienated the entire community. Since airliners is now the “aviation Facebook”, I hope you have success selling all of these ads since there will be no website traffic to click on them. I would much prefer to look at industry pictures on Flickr or another website than airliners. At least those websites have respect for the photographers and the community on their websites.

Not only have the forums and their functionally been destroyed, but their accuracy will never be the same. Since anyone can post without being a paid member, it makes airliners no different than someone commenting on a newspaper article on a different website. At least with paid memberships we knew that the people in the forums for the most part had a vested interest in providing accurate information.

It is not worth writing out everything that is wrong with the website. You had no business going from the old website to the new one overnight. As with any business or organization that understands how to implement change there should have been a transition period that allowed the new website to run in beta while the old website remained. This would have allowed the community that you love so much to provide feedback so when the new website launched it wouldn’t be the mess that is it today.

I think all of us here would have been willing to give the new website a try if there was a proper change management plan instituted and we felt like our comments actually mattered. Guess what airliners.net and demand media, without us you have nothing.

With that I say goodbye to airliners. It has been great, but it’s not worth my time to click and scroll through a horrible forum layout, or to look at all the top pictures that somehow have only been the moderators of the forum since the launch.

Blue Sky…..
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:24 pm

Would prefer having the forum post lists have a single line view - meaning take the info on the 2nd line of each post in the list and have it go to the right - really not easy right not to see post titles with the other info right below the post name. (poster name, etc)
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:56 pm

The contrast on the message boards is so bad it causes eye strain for me. Something needs to be done to fix this before I decide to go to another site.

Also this website is now the S-L-O-W-E-S-T website I visit. It takes forever to load.

Please bring back the old a.net. Thank you.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:21 pm

Speechless - Worth the wait! Thank you to all for getting this up and running!
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:44 pm

I've been on Anet since 2001, & a frequent poster on the Tech/Ops forum.
Personally I'm disapointed with this new look forum board, pls restore the older one.
The ads are just too irritating & disturbs the focus on the site.
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:52 pm

p201055r wrote:
An allusion somewhere further up this thread to being challenged at gunpoint in Srebrenica during the Yugoslav War is not quite the same experience as - and in my view it is disingenuous to liken it to - that of contributors who survive in countries where anything airport or aviation-related is adjudged high-security and restricted but who continue at some personal risk to life and freedom to provide quality photo and other inputs into the site.


Seriously? I risked my life to save other human lives, not to taka an aircraft photo. And that is somehow less risky and less important and I getting kind of frowned upon?
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:55 pm

p201055r wrote:
An allusion somewhere further up this thread to being challenged at gunpoint in Srebrenica during the Yugoslav War is not quite the same experience as - and in my view it is disingenuous to liken it to - that of contributors who survive in countries where anything airport or aviation-related is adjudged high-security and restricted but who continue at some personal risk to life and freedom to provide quality photo and other inputs into the site.


Seriously? I risked my life to save other human lives working with UNHCR, not to take an aircraft photo. And that is somehow less risky and less important than aircraft photos? And getting kind of frowned upon for?
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:24 pm

Why nothing change?
This new site is orribile ... Please make something, a.net was the best ... Now is very similar to a social network app ... I becaming Crazy thinking how is difficult to load a pic on this site... Now there are no motivation at all...
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:53 pm

We still need:
*A way to just select part of a post and quote it.
*A way to return to a quoted post like we used to be able to do when reading a reply. (Eg: Quoting DocLighting [reply 206]...) where you click on the reply number and it takes you there.
*A WAY TO CHANGE THE NUMBER OF POSTS PER DISPLAYED PAGE. No, srsly, this is a huge priority.
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:15 pm

JohnKrist wrote:
p201055r wrote:
Seriously? I risked my life to save other human lives working with UNHCR, not to take an aircraft photo. And that is somehow less risky and less important than aircraft photos? And getting kind of frowned upon for?

Why are you taking this personal and to an extreme comparison? Please this thread is in and about Airliners.net and the site change and issues related to it.

Of course comparing risking your life is not comparable to airplane photos, but this site and this thread are not about that, it is about what needs to be done here. And the people here are focused on that and looking for solutions to that and other outside things don;t really matter.

So thank you for working with UNHCR, I am sure it was important in their task and helped others. But please understand we are just wanting this site to return to some semblance of its former enjoyable nature and miss that. Please focus on that and know that any comments here will never demean or diminish what you have done elsewhere.

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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:26 pm

zkeye wrote:
kulverstukas wrote:
zkeye wrote:

It would appear that a good service is no longer offered.


As was stated here by crew members, it's now free of charge and full of ads.


Yep - you get what you pay for.


Long time reader, first time poster. My perspective:

I'm sorry but first off, the UI is a HUGE upgrade over what they had before. You can't deny it - the site looked like it was from 1996.

Second, something needed to be done about the membership policy. The forums were full of troll posters who would routinely derail thread (see any United Airlines thread - cheerleaders came out big league). The mods had their hands full and/or little control over the troll users and it was getting to be a REAL issue in the last several years. Literally I think people had different usernames that they signed in and out of so they couldn't get tracked to be banned.

There was also the theory of people making troll accounts just to ban informed members. There was one user who was vocal about this in the past year.

And of course when I tried to actually sign up to be in the forums last year, I couldn't even get prompted to sign up for a premium membership to start posting! I couldn't even reach out to DM or the Mods to get approval - there was no solution.

I don't know the backstory, but I could see DM getting fed up with the way it was run before and gutted it and took this approach.

I might be in the minority, but I really, really like it.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:29 pm

After 24 hours, it seems that there are far more people who are extremely unhappy with the new site than there are people who are happy with it. This reminds me a lot of the New Coke debacle back in the 80s.

DM needs to handle this in the right way - restore the old site temporarily, go back to the drawing board, involve the community fully in a new redesign, beta test it thoroughly (with actual members), and then relaunch. This is really the only way they are going to save face with the community - otherwise, people are going to continue jumping ship and never come back.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:31 pm

We still need:
*A way to just select part of a post and quote it.
*A way to return to a quoted post like we used to be able to do when reading a reply. (Eg: Quoting DocLighting [reply 206]...) where you click on the reply number and it takes you there.
*A WAY TO CHANGE THE NUMBER OF POSTS PER DISPLAYED PAGE. No, srsly, this is a huge priority.


Biggest forum priority for me:
    eliminate header on each post

... or at least give it a huge diet.
 
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Re: Airliners.net Site Upgrade Announcement & Discussion

Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:12 pm

fhrx wrote:
Just as a side; why did paid membership cease? I'm happy to pay for a good service; as I'm sure many others are?

Sadly as it stands at the moment I actually cannot view it as is; for the ads slow my PC down to the point where it fills the cache and kills it completely...


I've tried to make a new account to post in forums for over a year and couldn't sign up. The UI was completely broken :shock:

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