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PatrickZ80 wrote:I disagree. Opt-in won't work since nobody will. You said it yourself, you probably won't use it. That ain't good, it should be used.
PatrickZ80 wrote:einsteinboricua wrote:My
Keep it with the @ character. Let us opt-in. I probably won't even use it, but I would much rather the post not be automatically set to change every instant of an airport code. Imagine a programming thread about SQL and having every instant be changed in reference to San Carlos Airport.
"I use SQL (San Carlos-USA) in my daily work".
At this point, I'd say "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". As scbriml said, we've done well without the hover function. Unless it's a very small airport, odds are that most airports are common knowledge and are just one Google away if they aren't.
Let's not forget that the hover function also had its drawbacks, most notably, underlining every instant that was an airport code as well (in the SQL example, every instant of SQL would also be underlined).
I disagree. Opt-in won't work since nobody will. You said it yourself, you probably won't use it. That ain't good, it should be used.
What if you're listing a bunch of airports and you don't use the @? Somebody reading your posts that doesn't know those airports has to look them all up, so you're bugging them because you were too lazy to include the @.
Of course you got to have the possibility to opt-out, therefor I suggested adding the ' in front of it. So if you're talking about structured query language, you're saying 'SQL as that will show up as SQL and not as SQL (San Carlos - USA).
hOMSaR wrote:PatrickZ80 wrote:einsteinboricua wrote:My
Keep it with the @ character. Let us opt-in. I probably won't even use it, but I would much rather the post not be automatically set to change every instant of an airport code. Imagine a programming thread about SQL and having every instant be changed in reference to San Carlos Airport.
"I use SQL (San Carlos-USA) in my daily work".
At this point, I'd say "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". As scbriml said, we've done well without the hover function. Unless it's a very small airport, odds are that most airports are common knowledge and are just one Google away if they aren't.
Let's not forget that the hover function also had its drawbacks, most notably, underlining every instant that was an airport code as well (in the SQL example, every instant of SQL would also be underlined).
I disagree. Opt-in won't work since nobody will. You said it yourself, you probably won't use it. That ain't good, it should be used.
What if you're listing a bunch of airports and you don't use the @? Somebody reading your posts that doesn't know those airports has to look them all up, so you're bugging them because you were too lazy to include the @.
Of course you got to have the possibility to opt-out, therefor I suggested adding the ' in front of it. So if you're talking about structured query language, you're saying 'SQL as that will show up as SQL and not as SQL (San Carlos - USA).
The problem with making someone opt out in order to avoid the messy auto-formatting of codes that aren’t codes is that there are too many potential cases of it being wrong (any three-letter word would need it, even an accidental typo that turns a non-airport code word into one), and unless/until they get this turned into proper alt-text from the current (messy, clunky) setup of just adding an airport text string, it’s going to make a lot of posts unreadable. Especially since they apparently don’t distinguish between capital and lowercase (unless that has changed in the past few hours). If they ever got around to adding airline codes (they say no for now, but who knows what a future update may bring), then any two-letter word will get changed.
‘Not only will ‘it ‘get beyond annoying ‘for a poster ‘to have ‘to ‘add a symbol before every ‘two ‘or three letter word (since there’s no way someone is going to know whether or not a particular character string is an airport code, or one of the secret database of codes that autocorrect into a full name), but you’re going to drive half the members crazy when they can’t figure out why their posts keep changing, despite everyone trying to explain it to them hundreds of times. This is a board where a large portion of the members still can’t figure out simple quoting, despite it being exactly the same as every other web forum in the world, and, really, the language formatting is the same as it was on the old site (which folks still pretend to prefer, even though half the time someone would quote the wrong person back then anyway). Now you expect these same folks to remember to put a symbol in front of every word that they don’t want to convert into an airport name?
c933103 wrote:If a system similar to the old one is to be used, then error doesn't actually matter. Sure all unrelated shorthands and short words would get highlighted with mouse tip for airport name or airlines name, but you know from context that those aren't airports so you can simply read on. There's only a little dashed line there if you weren't mouse-overing it
hOMSaR wrote:The problem with making someone opt out in order to avoid the messy auto-formatting of codes that aren’t codes is that there are too many potential cases of it being wrong (any three-letter word would need it, even an accidental typo that turns a non-airport code word into one), and unless/until they get this turned into proper alt-text from the current (messy, clunky) setup of just adding an airport text string, it’s going to make a lot of posts unreadable. Especially since they apparently don’t distinguish between capital and lowercase (unless that has changed in the past few hours). If they ever got around to adding airline codes (they say no for now, but who knows what a future update may bring), then any two-letter word will get changed.
‘Not only will ‘it ‘get beyond annoying ‘for a poster ‘to have ‘to ‘add a symbol before every ‘two ‘or three letter word (since there’s no way someone is going to know whether or not a particular character string is an airport code, or one of the secret database of codes that autocorrect into a full name), but you’re going to drive half the members crazy when they can’t figure out why their posts keep changing, despite everyone trying to explain it to them hundreds of times. This is a board where a large portion of the members still can’t figure out simple quoting, despite it being exactly the same as every other web forum in the world, and, really, the language formatting is the same as it was on the old site (which folks still pretend to prefer, even though half the time someone would quote the wrong person back then anyway). Now you expect these same folks to remember to put a symbol in front of every word that they don’t want to convert into an airport name?
PatrickZ80 wrote:ADD is Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. Right now the system is not case sensitive and therefor useless.
PatrickZ80 wrote:9w748capt wrote:However for now let's focus on the detection techniques. I think we all agree the @ needs to go as it doesn't work, it should work without. In order to avoid false positives you need to set a good set of detection rules.
PatrickZ80 wrote:...That is exactly why it is absolutely essential for the detection system to be case-sensitive. That way add is just a word and ADD is Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. Right now the system is not case sensitive and therefor useless.
Perhaps it's possible to display the added airport information in a smaller font or in upperscript or something like that. That way you can see in one blink of an eye that it's not part of the regular text.
Indy wrote:I may even have the PHP code still that identifies the airport codes and comes up with the HTML to make the mouseover work.
WPvsMW wrote:Adding codes will slow a.net considerably.
SUGGESTION: Add a link to
http://www.iata.org/publications/Pages/code-search.aspx
in the upper right corner of each post, beside the "quote" icon.
LG777 wrote:The old a.net did it and without problem and was not considerably slower. Solutions exist for specialized board.
XAM2175 wrote:On the other hand, the previous software implemented the code lookup at the time the post was saved and then added the script for the hover-text to the actual post as saved in the database, which is much less heavy on the server. For this reason, and because the look-up trigger conditions had also been specially written, the code list could be longer.
It's also the reason that posts made with the old forum software still show the code hovers even when viewed today, whereas the new codes may or may not show depending on the trigger conditions and actual code list in use at the time you look.
PatrickZ80 wrote:So basically it's the post save script that needs to be modified. The post load script can then remain untouched.
LovePrunesAnet wrote:How hard is it to just Google something you dontnknow, rather than try all this automated stuff? Just don't bother with this coding at all.
LG777 wrote:LovePrunesAnet wrote:How hard is it to just Google something you dontnknow, rather than try all this automated stuff? Just don't bother with this coding at all.
Hard ? Not really as we do it everyday since the switch to phpBB. Boring ? A lot. Switching regularly between airliners.net and Google don't make the use of this forum.
Posters could avoid ICAO or IATA codes for less known airport but well this is a lost debate.
LG777 wrote:Posters could avoid ICAO or IATA codes for less known airport but well this is a lost debate.
LovePrunesAnet wrote:How hard is it to just Google something you dontnknow, rather than try all this automated stuff? Just don't bother with this coding at all.
WPvsMW wrote:IMO, learning airport and airline codes is part of paying your dues in the biz.
That said, the least intrusive solution would be a Kindle-type feature. In a Kindle book, double click on the word and the definition pops up... in a.net, double click on the code and the airline or airport pops up.
LovePrunesAnet wrote:LG777 wrote:LovePrunesAnet wrote:How hard is it to just Google something you dontnknow, rather than try all this automated stuff? Just don't bother with this coding at all.
Hard ? Not really as we do it everyday since the switch to phpBB. Boring ? A lot. Switching regularly between airliners.net and Google don't make the use of this forum.
Posters could avoid ICAO or IATA codes for less known airport but well this is a lost debate.
not much of a switch to just open a tab real quick, even on a phone...or even ask your phone "ok google what airport is code LAX" and you don't even have to switch, it'll just tell you. i mean i appreciate the effort, but this seems like a waste to implement.
airkas1 wrote:All in-line codes removed. Trying to find a different solution.