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sixfootscream wrote:It is a very sad that one gets censored here for holding a different view and saying something someone might no agree with. The response is simple. We are a privat website and we can chose what someone is allowed to post and what not. Sad state of affairs.
Aaron747 wrote:sixfootscream wrote:It is a very sad that one gets censored here for holding a different view and saying something someone might no agree with. The response is simple. We are a privat website and we can chose what someone is allowed to post and what not. Sad state of affairs.
That's almost every site on the internet with members. If you don't like someone's rules nothing is stopping you from setting up your own site and community.
sixfootscream wrote:Aaron747 wrote:sixfootscream wrote:It is a very sad that one gets censored here for holding a different view and saying something someone might no agree with. The response is simple. We are a privat website and we can chose what someone is allowed to post and what not. Sad state of affairs.
That's almost every site on the internet with members. If you don't like someone's rules nothing is stopping you from setting up your own site and community.
Cool. I will enslave people in my business too. Since I my business is private and I can do how I wish.
sixfootscream wrote:It is a very sad that one gets censored here for holding a different view and saying something someone might no agree with. The response is simple. We are a privat website and we can chose what someone is allowed to post and what not. Sad state of affairs.
qf789 wrote:sixfootscream wrote:It is a very sad that one gets censored here for holding a different view and saying something someone might no agree with. The response is simple. We are a privat website and we can chose what someone is allowed to post and what not. Sad state of affairs.
There is nothing stopping anyone from sharing their own opinion provided that it is posted within the rules of what we expect all users to follow. This includes not calling other users names, provoking other users, flamebait, disrespecting other users, trying to incite trouble, being disrespectful towards crew members, not properly attributing news sources and providing your own comments, etc.
You can also drop the censorship nonsense. There is one common theme of those who bring up censorship and that is those are the ones who fail to take any responsibility for their own actions and blame someone else.
At the end of the day we expect users to act in a civil and productive manner and stay within the rules. If you can’t do that perhaps it’s time you moved on
TVNWZ wrote:“Enslave people”? Over the top much?
Aaron747 wrote:sixfootscream wrote:Aaron747 wrote:
That's almost every site on the internet with members. If you don't like someone's rules nothing is stopping you from setting up your own site and community.
Cool. I will enslave people in my business too. Since I my business is private and I can do how I wish.
'Enslaved' has virtually no meaning in the context of the discussion. Might want to try a dictionary.
sixfootscream wrote:Aaron747 wrote:sixfootscream wrote:
Cool. I will enslave people in my business too. Since I my business is private and I can do how I wish.
'Enslaved' has virtually no meaning in the context of the discussion. Might want to try a dictionary.
No. No. It is a private business so I may enslave people. If they don't like it, they can leave right?
jbpdx wrote:What’s happened to signatures?
jetmatt777 wrote:I just wish we had feedback on why a post was deleted. It is annoying to go to a thread and see your post is gone with no explanation. It really makes contributing feel like a complete waste of time.
jetmatt777 wrote:I just wish we had feedback on why a post was deleted. It is annoying to go to a thread and see your post is gone with no explanation. It really makes contributing feel like a complete waste of time.
WidebodyPTV wrote:There's an active thread discussing AA's mass route cancellations, one of them being TOL-CLT. Can I get an explanation as to why my postings were deleted? A poster falsely claimed that the route's local traffic exceeded expectations, and that it was COVID / AA's decision to put a 50-seater and match DTW's low fares that doomed the route. This is merely a.net lore -- I posted a thoughtful response that pointed out that local traffic never made it out of the single digits, and AA was forced to compete with an abundance of low fares (in markets CLT competes with) at DTW, as it was within a reasonable drive at DTW.
The concept of moderation should not include deleting factual view points we don't agree with.
tys777 wrote:The post that you quoted was deleted. And as a result, your post was as well.
Daysleeper wrote:I just wanted to add my 2 Cents to this, after sending a PM to the moderator involved.
For the last couple of days, I have been having a conversation about possible changes to EK's order in the civil aviation forum. Well with such a broad subject there were various tangents, and we ended up discussing the 77X.s suitability in replacing the A380 - Or perhaps as the 77X was intended replacing the 77X.
At no point was anyone involved within the conversation rude, disrespectful or posting flame bait. It was a perfectly civil conversation.
But, it has now been locked as it was too far off topic....
Over moderation?
WidebodyPTV wrote:tys777 wrote:The post that you quoted was deleted. And as a result, your post was as well.
Thank you for the response! But the post I quoted (flyinryan99) is still active. It's concerning, because he's making assertions ('local traffic exceeded expectations') without providing any support -- and the hard data shows the PDEW never made it out of the single digits, which indicates his point was manufactured. And yet it's a claim that will be perpetually repeated...
atcsundevil wrote:WidebodyPTV wrote:tys777 wrote:The post that you quoted was deleted. And as a result, your post was as well.
Thank you for the response! But the post I quoted (flyinryan99) is still active. It's concerning, because he's making assertions ('local traffic exceeded expectations') without providing any support -- and the hard data shows the PDEW never made it out of the single digits, which indicates his point was manufactured. And yet it's a claim that will be perpetually repeated...
You are correct. Let me send an email to the moderator involved and find out what happened. It's possible that the original post may have needed to be removed, it's possible that your post was removed by accident, or it's possible that the reason listed for deletion was mislabeled. Just be patient and I'll make sure we get you an answer.
WidebodyPTV wrote:tys777 wrote:The post that you quoted was deleted. And as a result, your post was as well.
Thank you for the response! But the post I quoted (flyinryan99) is still active. It's concerning, because he's making assertions ('local traffic exceeded expectations') without providing any support -- and the hard data shows the PDEW never made it out of the single digits, which indicates his point was manufactured. And yet it's a claim that will be perpetually repeated...
atcsundevil wrote:Daysleeper wrote:I just wanted to add my 2 Cents to this, after sending a PM to the moderator involved.
For the last couple of days, I have been having a conversation about possible changes to EK's order in the civil aviation forum. Well with such a broad subject there were various tangents, and we ended up discussing the 77X.s suitability in replacing the A380 - Or perhaps as the 77X was intended replacing the 77X.
At no point was anyone involved within the conversation rude, disrespectful or posting flame bait. It was a perfectly civil conversation.
But, it has now been locked as it was too far off topic....
Over moderation?
We're not actually supposed to converse with users via PM with regards to our moderating duties. It actually mentions this specifically in the forum rules. Conversing via email at moderators@airliners.net keeps our end of the conversation accountable because we all see it — that's good for you and for us. I would advise you to send us an email and ask why the moderator felt the topic drifted and needed to be locked. Keep in mind that when posts are deleted, you likely never see them. Sometimes threads take more effort than it appears for us to keep them alive and on topic. At some point, we simply have to shut it down. I'm not saying that's what happened here, but that's a common theme in locked threads.
Just send us an email and you should receive a reply shortly.
Daysleeper wrote:Yet a moderator chose to end the discussion. Why? We were all being perfectly civil and discussing aviation. The result is I have started a new thread, appropriately titled, and I have no doubt it will be flamed and eventually locked also. Are we just to start a new topic anytime a tangent within a conversation occurs? I mean I can, and I will. But I suspect you will end up banning me.
eastafspot wrote:Why was this thread about Uganda Airlines deleted after 1 week+ only? Was Lightsaber sleeping or is the only moderator?
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1467093
This is not my video, nor my interest to advertise about airlines/friends channel (I don't even know that guy who posted that video tbh, nor it was watched till the end, after 2min I was done as it was boring, exclusively depending my point of view).
If the mods were fair, this thread should have been non-existent after 3 days only and not only now!!! Shall we discuss to only US aviation and other regional/airlines related now?
jetmatt777 wrote:The truth is there is zero consistent in the moderation. I don’t care what the rules are, so much as they are applied uniformly as possible.
I had a post deleted that had a photo I took in it. It was deleted for not linking the original source… I am the original source.
But, there have been tons of posts made by other users doing the same thing and they turn a blind eye to it. If those are the rules - that is fine. But when the moderators don’t apply rules equally you get frustration.
Another example. I had a post deleted that quoted a deleted post. The moderator replied to the deleted post (it was an off topic joke, but relevant and light hearted) and his post was allowed to remain while every other post referencing the deleted post remained.
They expect us to adhere to a mind-numbingly long list of rules that would make a lawyer’s head spin - yet offer no consistency, explanation, or even self moderation of said rules.
It really feels like getting pulled over for talking on the phone while driving, and being passed by a police officer texting while driving 2 minutes later. The value in contributing here is rapidly waning.
Grizzly410 wrote:Asking to the mods team, would you be able to pull out some stats of the moderation workload and support you receive from the users?
Maybe it could help figure out better if the forum is over-moderated or not
Grizzly410 wrote:Yes this kind of data.
Is it possible to take one month to average better the number ? And contrast with the volume of new posts and thread over the same period ?
Got me curious about the 4 new user post disapproval. What is this, an application from bot ?
atcsundevil wrote:Grizzly410 wrote:New user post disapprovals sometimes come from bots or spammers, which is why we now require five posts to clear our approval process before they're cleared to post. Many disapprovals are from genuine new users though. We simply hold their posts to a higher level of scrutiny in an attempt to set the correct tone for their future as a user. Common reasons for disapprovals is a low quality post, using suspicious links or images, and attacking other users.
CaptHadley wrote:Can the moderation team please explain to me why my post was deleted this evening in the thread I started relating to the mass shooting in Michigan. There was no "foul" language, threatening language, spam, calling of names. I was accused of being a "troll" by John3:16. I defended my stance and thoughts about the pro gun aficionados on this site and their lack of compassion for the shooting victims. There was no flame bait language in my post, I simply stated my thoughts on the subject at hand. So I ask, again, why was my post deleted and why wasn't I given a message as to it's removal and reason.
CaptHadley wrote:Can the moderation team please explain to me why my post was deleted this evening in the thread I started relating to the mass shooting in Michigan. There was no "foul" language, threatening language, spam, calling of names. I was accused of being a "troll" by John3:16. I defended my stance and thoughts about the pro gun aficionados on this site and their lack of compassion for the shooting victims. There was no flame bait language in my post, I simply stated my thoughts on the subject at hand. So I ask, again, why was my post deleted and why wasn't I given a message as to it's removal and reason.
qf789 wrote:CaptHadley wrote:Can the moderation team please explain to me why my post was deleted this evening in the thread I started relating to the mass shooting in Michigan. There was no "foul" language, threatening language, spam, calling of names. I was accused of being a "troll" by John3:16. I defended my stance and thoughts about the pro gun aficionados on this site and their lack of compassion for the shooting victims. There was no flame bait language in my post, I simply stated my thoughts on the subject at hand. So I ask, again, why was my post deleted and why wasn't I given a message as to it's removal and reason.
Its is clearly stated in the rules why there are no deletion notifications and how to approach a deleted post. If you want the answer to why your post was deleted email us at moderators@airliners.net as it wont be discussed here
ItnStln wrote:atcsundevil wrote:Grizzly410 wrote:New user post disapprovals sometimes come from bots or spammers, which is why we now require five posts to clear our approval process before they're cleared to post. Many disapprovals are from genuine new users though. We simply hold their posts to a higher level of scrutiny in an attempt to set the correct tone for their future as a user. Common reasons for disapprovals is a low quality post, using suspicious links or images, and attacking other users.
I have a related question. I almost always utilize a VPN either on my work devices or Nord VPN on my personal devices. Does this flag as spam? On Reddit it does to the point I can't access it through my work VPN or Nord VPN.
tys777 wrote:ItnStln wrote:atcsundevil wrote:
I have a related question. I almost always utilize a VPN either on my work devices or Nord VPN on my personal devices. Does this flag as spam? On Reddit it does to the point I can't access it through my work VPN or Nord VPN.
No it does not. I routinely moderate from a VPN connection and posted as an user utilizing a VPN before that. I don't know of any spam flags on the site. Most spam posts are pretty obvious attempts at a script to make a post.
notdownnlocked wrote:Why do 99% of the posts have an asinine year beside them. There is one moderator that locked all 2021 posts and started all again with 2022 dates. Many of you moderators state your hours in the day are limited but then we have this. Why the dates? This site was not like this before. Is this site no longer a hobbyist site or is it a CPA accounting site with fiscal/physical end of year accounting methods needed? Why lock everything down and restart with a new year? People make posts and these include dates and time stamps. I feel a thread will naturally run its course to its end by way of complete replies/knowledge given or run its course due to boredom/no longer interesting. Why chop threads only due to a calendar change?
TVNWZ wrote:The rudeness aside, I laughed myself at some of the arbitrariness of this. I can see changing out a thread that has a thousand entries, or even a couple hundred. But some had 30 to less than a hundred entries. Not what you would call big interest and worth the effort IMO. Sometimes we can get a little overly Pedantic.
jetmatt777 wrote:Yep. And every single airport in the US seems to have its own thread. The first page of the forum is a mess this time of year with all of the new year topics. I understand a few of the mega threads. But why can’t topics just live and die on their own these days? The consolidation to catch all threads is just as confusing as individual topics. Good luck finding a post you wanted to discuss because it is buried in page 723 of some mega thread.
atcsundevil wrote:TVNWZ wrote:The rudeness aside, I laughed myself at some of the arbitrariness of this. I can see changing out a thread that has a thousand entries, or even a couple hundred. But some had 30 to less than a hundred entries. Not what you would call big interest and worth the effort IMO. Sometimes we can get a little overly Pedantic.
You've made your point, and we've explained to you why we've made the compromise we have on this issue. You disagree, and that is understood. It's ironic that you comment on "rudeness" given some of your comments directed as us/me, but I'll just leave it at that. I have nothing else to add.
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TVNWZ wrote:atcsundevil wrote:TVNWZ wrote:The rudeness aside, I laughed myself at some of the arbitrariness of this. I can see changing out a thread that has a thousand entries, or even a couple hundred. But some had 30 to less than a hundred entries. Not what you would call big interest and worth the effort IMO. Sometimes we can get a little overly Pedantic.
You've made your point, and we've explained to you why we've made the compromise we have on this issue. You disagree, and that is understood. It's ironic that you comment on "rudeness" given some of your comments directed as us/me, but I'll just leave it at that. I have nothing else to add.
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I’m sorry, what?? The rudeness comment was not directed at you, but the poster above you And you will have to show me one post where I have directed any rude comments your way or any other moderators way. You are letting your emotions get the better of you. Bad look.
atcsundevil wrote:[
We've been doing this for years since we moved to the new site, and we've explained this system multiple times over the years. Since you're apparently more interested in taking cheap shots at us, I'm not going to bother wasting my time to explain it..
oschkosch wrote:This dear Mods and Admins of A.net is exactly the problem. It's "always been done like this", is used as the kill all argument instead of thinking outside of the box! One should consider older threads with hardly any comments don't require a "new" annual thread.