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fr8mech wrote:Have we really devolved to the point where we can’t even use wildcards in the place of those nasty words? And, only in one instance.
This site used to be a place where we could have discussions and the occasional use of a swear word, where appropriate was not censored.
I guess the old A-Net is truly gone and this has now become a touchy-feely zone.
I’m glad I’ve curtailed my visits to non-av. It’s not the place it used to be.
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fr8mech wrote:Have we really devolved to the point where we can’t even use wildcards in the place of those nasty words? And, only in one instance.
This site used to be a place where we could have discussions and the occasional use of a swear word, where appropriate was not censored.
I guess the old A-Net is truly gone and this has now become a touchy-feely zone.
I’m glad I’ve curtailed my visits to non-av. It’s not the place it used to be.
extender wrote:What happened to the "Military Command Structure" thread?
Boeing757100 wrote:We all have a right to use this site.
fr8mech wrote:I guess the old A-Net is truly gone and this has now become a touchy-feely zone.
I’m glad I’ve curtailed my visits to non-av. It’s not the place it used to be.
Braybuddy wrote:fr8mech wrote:I guess the old A-Net is truly gone and this has now become a touchy-feely zone.
I’m glad I’ve curtailed my visits to non-av. It’s not the place it used to be.
I would have to agree. I have had posts deleted without any explanation. They have not contained unacceptable words, or even words with asterisks. At the same time, I have often noticed posts with words which would be unacceptable -- as per the rules -- remain in place.
Braybuddy wrote:fr8mech wrote:I guess the old A-Net is truly gone and this has now become a touchy-feely zone.
I’m glad I’ve curtailed my visits to non-av. It’s not the place it used to be.
I would have to agree. I have had posts deleted without any explanation. They have not contained unacceptable words, or even words with asterisks. At the same time, I have often noticed posts with words which would be unacceptable -- as per the rules -- remain in place.
tys777 wrote:Have you ever considered reporting a post that contains that language? We don't read every post, we need help having them brought to our attention.
It's been a long long time since there were notifications for deleted posts. We've talked about that ad nauseum along with telling people to email us.
atcsundevil wrote:We all have jobs, families, social lives, and other obligations. We volunteer our time here to keep the site going and try to keep things respectful. At best, some of us are able to put in an hour or two per day here. Given that there are only about 10 of us, that means that we're only able to read a small percentage of posts. If users don't report issues to us, we may never see it. It's disheartening for us to see people constantly say we're missing things, yet they're not actively trying to help us. We never claimed we could do this alone.
As for deletions — we don't like the idea of disappearing posts any more than you do. The old site had notifications, which was excellent. When we migrated to this site five years ago, the notifications went away. We begged the developers for years to bring them back, but it hasn't happened, and we've long since given up trying. We don't have enough time in the day to keep up with moderation AND notify every user of a deletion. That's why the onus is on you to contact us and ask why a post was removed. It's lousy. We know it. We don't have a better option though.
Boeing757100 wrote:Don't forget, there are many kids/teenagers and younger users (including me) who use this forum too. Using swear words or very bad insults could possibly have a negative impact on this demographic of us users. We all have a right to use this site.
Braybuddy wrote:tys777 wrote:Have you ever considered reporting a post that contains that language? We don't read every post, we need help having them brought to our attention.
It's been a long long time since there were notifications for deleted posts. We've talked about that ad nauseum along with telling people to email us.atcsundevil wrote:We all have jobs, families, social lives, and other obligations. We volunteer our time here to keep the site going and try to keep things respectful. At best, some of us are able to put in an hour or two per day here. Given that there are only about 10 of us, that means that we're only able to read a small percentage of posts. If users don't report issues to us, we may never see it. It's disheartening for us to see people constantly say we're missing things, yet they're not actively trying to help us. We never claimed we could do this alone.
As for deletions — we don't like the idea of disappearing posts any more than you do. The old site had notifications, which was excellent. When we migrated to this site five years ago, the notifications went away. We begged the developers for years to bring them back, but it hasn't happened, and we've long since given up trying. We don't have enough time in the day to keep up with moderation AND notify every user of a deletion. That's why the onus is on you to contact us and ask why a post was removed. It's lousy. We know it. We don't have a better option though.
Thank you both for your considered replies. I wasn't aware there were only 10 moderators putting in a couple of replies each day, so you not-picking up forum-breaking posts is understandable, to say the least. What you say atcsundevil about the notification of deleted posts disappearing explains the absence of explanations, and it's odd that it should have been removed. This was a worthwhile part of the site in that it gave the poster an indication of why their post was deleted. I would also suggest that the develpoers re-instate it. I don't particularly like reporting or e-mailing moderators about posts, simply because I like interesting and (sometimes inflammatory) debate, and in my seventeen years on this site have never, ever, done so. I have noticed (and posted about) the staleness of topics compared to recent years (they mostly seem to be about US politics and inevitably descend into a Republican vs. Democrat slanging match which ends up being locked). This is a shame, but it's not the fault of the moderators, more a symptom of the lack of engagement of the members, and is probably a vicious circle: the lack of interesting and varied topics probably puts people off visiting Non-Av.
As for my own deleted posts, I never post abusive language, even with asterisks, so I have assumed they were deleted because of content which may not have been politically correct (yet within the rules as I understand them). I would like your views here. I haven't really bothered about e-mailing moderators, as I assumed it would be a waste of time, so that may be an idea fpr the future.
Thanks guys!Boeing757100 wrote:Don't forget, there are many kids/teenagers and younger users (including me) who use this forum too. Using swear words or very bad insults could possibly have a negative impact on this demographic of us users. We all have a right to use this site.
Come on, are you really telling me your demographic never uses swear words or insults?
extender wrote:Curious as to why a thread in Non-Av about a school shooter gets deleted. Or should I go to the mods directly?
atcsundevil wrote:extender wrote:What happened to the "Military Command Structure" thread?
It was removed, as there was an issue with the thread starting post. I cannot go into further detail since it wasn't your thread.
You or anyone else is free to restart the thread. Please just be sure to include sufficient detail in your own words when starting the thread, and be sure to include a source. Those are the basic requirements whenever starting a thread on this forum.
eta unknown wrote:I was wondering what happened to yesterday's Ryanair credit card charge back thread that's now missing in action...