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The Media Garbage When It Comes To Aviation

Thu Aug 30, 2001 10:58 pm

Hey folks,

I'm getting fed up of the media that write all sorts of crap when it comes to aviation.

We know that our famous journalist and there so-called 'aviation experts' (haha now that's funny! Big grin ) diffuse all kind of crap when something happens to an airplane, be it an incident or a crash.

Now I just found out this page http://cgi.cnn.com/US/9712/29/turbulence.explainer/

Now look at the little GIF they put on the page
I doubt that such turbulence will pull 1.8g only (see below)

The flight data recorder indicated that while the aircraft was cruising at flight level 310, it experienced a positive 1.814 G vertical acceleration excursion. Six
seconds later, the aircraft sustained a negative 0.824 G vertical acceleration. Is really not that big, ok it could prodice some slight discomfort but that's all. Yesterday during a spiral dive practice I pulled +3g's in a Cessna 152 aerobat and I'm here to testify!

I think the media should put less sensasionalism into their reports and think about doing their jobs right instead of putting this crap up to just boost their viewing ratings.

regards,
A frustrated Nicolas  Insane


 
steinwayartist
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RE: The Media Garbage When It Comes To Aviation

Thu Aug 30, 2001 11:27 pm

I think it's against the rules for the media to give any thought towards reality and the truth; all that seems to count is "professionalism."
The perfect parody is Kent Brockman on the Simpsons. He looks down on certain people, uses pathetic stories to improve his look, and that's basically what the real media is like. (Except that it's funny on the Simpsons  Smile ).

-Nick (Actually, Nicolas as well; je suis ne a Paris, et toi?)
 
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RE: The Media Garbage When It Comes To Aviation

Thu Aug 30, 2001 11:42 pm

Speaking of "aviation experts," I remember one that CNN had on right after the Egypt Air crash. I don't remember his name, but he certainly had an ax to grind against Boeing. This was in the almost immediate aftermath of the crash, and of course, CNN, because they're a 24 hour news network and needed to fill in the time, started to speculate. First, they started in on the thrust reverser theory, and basically assumed that this was the cause. Then they brought this joker on, and I wish I could remembe his name. He basically launched into an attack on Boeing, and their policy of designing twin-engined airliners for transatlantic/transpacific flights. There was no evidence at this point whatsoever about what the cause of the crash was, but there was CNN, saying it was a thrust reverser problem, and their "aviation expert" implying that Boeing was putting lives in danger with their aircraft designs.

Back when TWA 800 exploded and crashed, they did it as well. The immediate assumption was that it was a terroist bomb, and they had someone on claiming that it was a bomb and that he had a "short list" of who was behind it. To CNN's credit that time, they didn't ask this guy who was on his "short list."

Basically, the media wants to give instant answers, and they want to be able to report the crash and what caused it, even though it will likely take months in most cases to determine the cause. Unfortunatly, in order to provide these instant answers, they begin to speculate.
 
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RE: The Media Garbage When It Comes To Aviation

Thu Aug 30, 2001 11:54 pm

Actually, pulling negative Gs on large aircraft can cause some pretty serious structural damage. It can (and often does) cause injury as well.

The momentum of an 800,000 lb aircraft is alot more (do some math) than your 152 at any speed. A -1 G jolt is rather large.

Many of the posts on this forum read much like the "media" accounts you speak of.
 
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RE: The Media Garbage When It Comes To Aviation

Fri Aug 31, 2001 1:04 am

Media hype is largely responsible for the reputation of Aeroflot, Russian airlines and Russian-made aircraft today. Really, all of it is stupid speculation based on myth and legend, without any grounding in REAL facts and figures. There are exposees on Russian airline safety all the time, yet most of the journalists have never flown on a Russian airliner, and have no idea about maintenance or reliability of Russian aircraft, nor about safety equipment aboard the planes.

It's also funny that half the time, when there is an accident of some sort, the news reports don't even get the aircraft type right! C'mon, that's a simple thing! And speculating about causes never helps.
 
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RE: The Media Garbage When It Comes To Aviation

Fri Aug 31, 2001 1:14 am

A "big jet" is calculated and bild to sustain 2.5g positive and 1.0g negative MAXIMUM without permanant deformation. So with +1.814g and -0.824g we are very close to those maxima. Don't forget they are not aerobatic planes nor military fighters.
Rgds.
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RE: The Media Garbage When It Comes To Aviation

Fri Aug 31, 2001 1:17 am

I am also fed up with it. They just exadurate so much. Especially when talking about delays casued by ATC. I would love to see Connie Chung try to push some tin at 5 PM in JFK TRACON. Lets see how many delays that she can create.

380
 
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RE: The Media Garbage When It Comes To Aviation

Fri Aug 31, 2001 3:27 am

Well, if Sam Buttrick and Mike Boyd can be "aviation experts", why can't the media do it. After all, they can't be any dumber can they?
 
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RE: The Media Garbage When It Comes To Aviation

Fri Aug 31, 2001 3:28 am

A few years ago the The Times newspaper's 'aviation correspondent' rang BA to say he'd seen a bit fall of one of their Concorde's, turned out to be a 757.
Oh well, easy mistake to make!
 
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RE: The Media Garbage When It Comes To Aviation

Fri Aug 31, 2001 4:41 am

I have to agree with Airplay and Spitfire here. In fact, the original post comes pretty close to the accusations of sensationalism made against the media.

Sorry if you're offended by that, but that's how I interpreted the original post:

"Yesterday during a spiral dive practice I pulled +3g's in a Cessna 152 aerobat and I'm here to testify!" means absolutely nothing when discussing load tolerances of large jet airliners.

On the other hand, for about 98% of the technical issues tackled by the media, they either get it wrong or apply the information inappropriately. I have to admit though that much of what is coming out in the last couple of days with regards the Transat flight-from-hell has been fairly accurate and unsensational.

Just my opinion! Certainly nothing personal - Nicolaki's been around this forum quite awhile and has made many fine posts.

Best Regards,

Buff
 
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RE: The Media Garbage When It Comes To Aviation

Fri Aug 31, 2001 5:23 pm

As someone who´s day by day job includes some involvement in this media stuff, depending on the story i am sometimes amused and sometimes angry about what comes out of a story. Especially when less informed reporters with no backround information on the specific topic start to speculate, like on this 24 hrs newschannels.
Best Regards
Rickster
 
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RE: The Media Garbage When It Comes To Aviation

Thu Sep 13, 2001 10:34 am

Here's some new "unimformed" information. In this case the media was just involved in relaying it.

When the Korean jet was escorted yesterday to the Yukon the media interviewed the local airport manager. They asked him if jets normally overflew the Yukon or if these jets were diverted.

He said they never fly over the Yukon and that he beleived they were diverted (a couple of thousand miles) to the polar route.

I guess he didn't know about great circle routes but instead of saying "I don't know" he decided to give the answer his best shot!
 
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RE: The Media Garbage When It Comes To Aviation

Thu Sep 13, 2001 10:35 am

Here's some new "unimformed" information. In this case the media was just involved in relaying it.

When the Korean jet was escorted yesterday to the Yukon the media interviewed the local airport manager. They asked him if jets normally overflew the Yukon or if these jets were diverted.

He said they never fly over the Yukon and that he beleived they were diverted (a couple of thousand miles) to the polar route.

I guess he didn't know about great circle routes but instead of saying "I don't know" he decided to give the answer his best shot!
 
airplay
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RE: The Media Garbage When It Comes To Aviation

Thu Sep 13, 2001 10:36 am

Here's some new "unimformed" information. In this case the media was just involved in relaying it.

When the Korean jet was escorted yesterday to the Yukon the media interviewed the local airport manager. They asked him if jets normally overflew the Yukon or if these jets were diverted.

He said they never fly over the Yukon and that he beleived they were diverted (a couple of thousand miles) to the polar route.

I guess he didn't know about great circle routes but instead of saying "I don't know" he decided to give the answer his best shot!
 
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But Consider This

Thu Sep 13, 2001 10:54 am

I agree with your thoughts, but the aviation industry is not the only one that feels cheated by the media. You and I get upset with some of the coverage because we know the facts and the truth.

But how did you base your political views? By what you hear fomr the media. Therefore, how do you know that you have all the facts when it comes to what you hear about your candidate of choice?

Attorneys feel that a disservice is done when a complex, month-long trial is condensed by the media into a 20-second sound vyte.

So what you experience is the tip of the iceberg. I used to be a TV broadcaster in a large market, and I left that to pursue a call (n of all things,) the ministry. One of my passions has been to study the media and their biases and views. I don't want to get into it here, but they often hide the truth or fail to provide an accurate picture of what went on.

So to summarize, the aviation industry is one of numerous groups who feel that the media is erroneous.

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