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RWally
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Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Wed Sep 05, 2001 11:57 pm

I was watching MSNBC, and according to the AP, French and British sources have just cleared the Concorde to fly again!

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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 12:00 am

That's great news!

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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 12:03 am

Welcome Back to the most beautiful passenger aircraft ever.
 
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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 12:07 am

Brilliant News.

here is the official News from BA

British Airways welcomed the joint decision today by the Civil Aviation Authority and its French equivalent, the DGAC, to return Concorde's Certificate of Airworthiness.

It marks the end of an intensive programme of work by the manufacturers, regulatory authorities, British Airways and Air France to ensure that Concorde returns safely back into service.

Mike Street, Director of Customer Service and Operations, said: “It is a tremendous tribute to everyone who has worked extremely hard on both sides of the Channel since last year.

“British Airways has always said that we would only resume Concorde services once we were convinced we could do so safely. The package of safety measures developed by the manufacturers and agreed today by the regulators enables us to achieve this.

“Our Concorde customers are keen to get back on board and we are very much looking forward to carrying them again soon.”

The main package of measures includes:

; Installation of Kevlar-rubber fuel tank liners designed to minimise any fuel leaks should the wing skin be punctured.

; Use of newly developed Michelin Near Zero growth tyres.

; Strengthening of the wiring in the undercarriage area.

Alpha Foxtrot, the first of British Airways’ seven aircraft to have completed the modification programme, will have its Certificate of Airworthiness returned today. The next two aircraft, Alpha Echo and Alpha Golf, are in the process of being modified.

While no firm date has been set yet for the resumption of Concorde services, British Airways hopes to start flying passengers supersonically again soon, with an initial daily return service between London and New York.

Mike Bannister, British Airways’ Chief Concorde pilot, said: “We are delighted by today’s announcement. After months of hard work by the manufacturers and our engineering teams, it is exciting to be one step closer to getting Concorde back into the air.”
 
RWally
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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 12:08 am

CONCORDE CLEARED TO FLY

5 September, 2001. British Airways welcomed the joint decision today by the Civil Aviation Authority and its French equivalent, the DGAC, to return Concorde's Certificate of Airworthiness.

It marks the end of an intensive programme of work by the manufacturers, regulatory authorities, British Airways and Air France to ensure that Concorde returns safely back into service.

Mike Street, Director of Customer Service and Operations, said: “It is a tremendous tribute to everyone who has worked extremely hard on both sides of the Channel since last year.

“British Airways has always said that we would only resume Concorde services once we were convinced we could do so safely. The package of safety measures developed by the manufacturers and agreed today by the regulators enables us to achieve this.

“Our Concorde customers are keen to get back on board and we are very much looking forward to carrying them again soon.”

The main package of measures includes:

; Installation of Kevlar-rubber fuel tank liners designed to minimise any fuel leaks should the wing skin be punctured.

; Use of newly developed Michelin Near Zero growth tyres.

; Strengthening of the wiring in the undercarriage area.

Alpha Foxtrot, the first of British Airways’ seven aircraft to have completed the modification programme, will have its Certificate of Airworthiness returned today. The next two aircraft, Alpha Echo and Alpha Golf, are in the process of being modified.

While no firm date has been set yet for the resumption of Concorde services, British Airways hopes to start flying passengers supersonically again soon, with an initial daily return service between London and New York.

Mike Bannister, British Airways’ Chief Concorde pilot, said: “We are delighted by today’s announcement. After months of hard work by the manufacturers and our engineering teams, it is exciting to be one step closer to getting Concorde back into the air.”


September 5, 2001



098/BC/01

Source: http://press.britishairways.com/
 
Lowsonboy
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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 12:15 am

Hooray!
 
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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 12:22 am

Hi !!!

Great News !!!!!!!!!!

Now i must fly to Vegas in Economy Class (a very cheap rate) and win a Jackpot there. Than i can fly with the Concorde back to Europe.

Just kidding, but now i start to save money because one time in my life i must fly with the Concorde !!!

Greetings from Germany

Patrick
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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 12:29 am

 Smile  Smile
At last, I left work at 14;30 today, just missing this announcement.
Gordonroxburgh, I saw RWally's post, e-mailed you, but it seems from yours and RWally's second post it's confirmed.
OAE is nearly done, mostly tank rebuilds to do, and that's partially done as well.
OAG has been drilled (for the brackets holding the liners), in 5 and 8 tanks.
:D Big grin
A happy day, but let's reflect on the lives lost. when you are heavily involved with the raw technical side of things, you can lose sight of that.
The controversy surrounding what happened to F-BTSC has sometimes amplified this.
I won't estimate a date for service resumption, but by mid-october is a conservative guess.
 
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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 12:37 am

While British Airways has come out with a press release regarding the Concorde, I haven't seen anything from Air France's website. As GDB has mentioned, let's take a moment of silence for those who died in Air France 4590.




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CAA Press Release

Thu Sep 06, 2001 12:40 am

Further info on the Directived being issued is here in the CAA's press release.

One interesting fact is that the water deflector retention cable should be removed. This was a voluntary changes that had been asked for but the authorites in the 80's but was only carried out by BA; at the time a lot of people though this would have been a contributory factor to the accident as it broke off with great force and was not restrained or slowed by the cable. I wonder if BA have taken these off yet?

Gordon.

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The UK Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) and French Direction General de l’Aviation Civile (DGAC) announced today that the manufacturer’s package of changes has been approved, which will allow the return of the Certificates of Airworthiness to the Concorde fleet.

This decision paves the way for Concorde to return to commercial service. Once the changes are completed on each individual aircraft the regulatory authorities can return its Certificate of Airworthiness. Commercial operations can then resume at the discretion of the airlines.

Both the CAA and DGAC have issued a mandatory Airworthiness Directive detailing the required changes. These include:

·The fitment of Kevlar lining to key fuel tanks – this will reduce the flow of fuel from any leak which may occur, which together with the removal of electrical ignition sources will make sustained fire impossible.

·The use of the new Michelin Near Zero Growth (NZG) tyres on all eight main wheels - these tyres are designed to be more resilient to damage by foreign objects and only in extreme cases can smaller, lighter tread pieces be released, giving a much lower level of energy on impact than that which occurred at Gonesse.

·The armouring of electrical wiring in the undercarriage bay - the investigators believe that the fire may have been ignited by an electrical spark in the undercarriage bay, and that protecting this area eliminates that risk.

The other changes called for require:

·The water deflector retention cable must (if fitted) be removed and there is a slight reprofiling of the deflector to accommodate the new tyre.

·The antiskid protocols are changed. This is necessary because of the tyre change. (The anti-skid system is common to most airliners. If an aircraft is about to skid it automatically releases the brakes, for a short time, to prevent a skid developing.)

·The flat tyre detection and warning system must be working on departure.

·The electrical power to the brake cooling fans is switched off before take off and landing.

Commenting on the decision the CAA’s Head of Design and Production Standards, Mike Bell, said:
“Today’s decision is the culmination of a concerted effort by the manufacturer and operators to tackle the issues raised by last year’s tragic accident, and to return Concorde to service.

“As an independent specialist regulator, the CAA has monitored all the work and the modifications very closely and is now satisfied that the changes will prevent any future catastrophic accident such as occurred at Paris.”

The accident investigators have stated that they expect no further significant findings from the Paris accident which would have a bearing on these modifications. On this basis both the CAA and DGAC have taken the decision to allow the aircraft to return to service prior to the publication of the final accident report.
 
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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 12:42 am

This is briliant news. It will be a good feeling having her in the air again. But we may not forget what happened to F-BTSC and the 113 people who lost their lives.
Otherwise there is very pleasing news!

Regards
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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 12:56 am

The water deflectors had to be modified for the new NZG tyres, on tight turns during towing and taxing they were scuffing the defectors due to the slightly bulbous nature of the new wheels.
The superb performance, in regards to FOD resistance and the much lighter and smaller debris produced if it does burst, negates the need for the retaining strap.
For OAF's tests in july, AF deflectors with had been modified in the light of experience with the NZG tyre taxi tests carried out by AF in may, were loaned for fitment to OAF, in lieu of our own ones being modified.
Basically, some of the top part of the deflector, which faces the tyre, is filed down for greater clearance.
 
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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 12:57 am

Here's the article from france2 website:TRANSPORTS
Air France et les vols Concorde

Air France a annoncé que les vols commerciaux du Concorde devraient reprendre en novembre à la suite de la levée de la suspension des certificats de navigabilité par les autorités de l'aviation civile.
Les autorités britannique et française de l'aviation civile ont en effet approuvées "la liste de modifications présentées par les constructeurs".
"La compagnie va poursuivre l'entraînement de ses personnels, afin de reprendre" les vols entre Paris et New York dès novembre.

Very good News!!!!

Maybe AF and BA will offer a free return ticket 2 NY to some people who'd like to inaugurate the new flight!!!!!
I'll be happy to accept  Smile


 
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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 1:09 am

Nice to see the Concorde coming back.

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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 1:25 am

Finally! I've been waiting for this ever since all Concordes where grounded last year.

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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 2:53 am

Can't wait to see her again - it's been a long wait.
 
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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 3:19 am

Finally! This is great news, does anyone knows when BA and AF plan to restart the service?
 
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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 3:56 am

Probably early to mid October for the start of BA services they, like Air France need 3 aircraft ready. Presently they each have one aircraft modified.

Air France have said they would like to re-intoduce Concorde services at the start of the winter timetable, which I think is around the 28th of October?

Both will have 1 flight a day to New York and 1 a day back.

Gordon.
 
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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 4:17 am

Great news.
Unfortunately, she is forever tarnished in that spectacular crash caught on tape.
It will never be the same.
 
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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 4:23 am

I hope to one day have the priveledge (sp) of flying on the almighty Concorde.. Welcome back!!!

Chris
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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 4:35 am

If it ever comes back to Oshkosh...I'm buying a ticket on one of those spectator flights that British Airways does.
 
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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 5:04 am

Just got this email here at work....


CONCORDE’S AIRWORTHINESS CERTIFICATE TO BE REINSTATED



Air France is very pleased with the decision of the French Civil Aviation Authorities to reinstate Concorde’s airworthiness certificate.

The modifications proposed by the manufacturers have been approved by both the French and British Authorities’ certification services (DGAC and the Civil Aviation Authority), and are the subject of airworthiness directives announced today.

The Fox Bravo will be the first of Air France’s Concordes to have its airworthiness certificate reinstated.

These modifications will be applied to each of Air France’s four other Concordes, which will in turn have their airworthiness certificates reinstated individually.

Air France will continue to train crews, in order to resume commercial service between Paris and New York as from November.
 
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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 7:02 am

FINALLY!! The almighty Concorde is returning!!!!!! That is some of the best news I've heard in a while.

To KonaB777- If you do go on the spectator flight, try to wear cool clothing. At sub sonic speed, the Air Conditioning systems do not work. Believe me, I know first hand. I was on a spectator flight from Columbus, Ohio (CMH) over Lake Erie, and back to CMH in 1995. (British Airways G-BOAF) I loved it!!
I think I'll do a trip report on that 1 hour spectator flight in the near future.

Great News!!!!!  Smile

Where all does the Concorde fly for both BA and Air France, if anybody knows??

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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 7:59 am



****yay****


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DeltaRules

Thu Sep 06, 2001 9:41 am

Concorde operations-

BA:
LHR-JFK
JFK-LHR

AF:
CDG-JFK
JFK-CDG

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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 10:25 am

Yep, I saw the news on Yahoo! the other day. I was really happy. Hope to see it soon. The article said passenger service in a month. Can't wait!
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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 1:44 pm

Heard it on the radio this morning!! Hurrah!! ... need I say more ... Big grin
 
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RE: Concorde Cleared To FLy!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 2:03 pm

Hooray. At last - they are cleared to fly.

I wish I can see Concorde in September instead of October when my flight abroad british midland BD 472 from Rome touches down at London Heathrow Airport on 30th Sept to take Singapore Airlines SQ 317 back to Singapore.

Seems that I have no chance to catch Concordes in action.  Sad

I wish BA or AF deploy one of their Concordes to Singapore Changi International Airport one day. I will go crazy if they do land one of their Concordes at Changi.

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DeltaRules

Fri Sep 07, 2001 3:46 am

BA also plan to resume LHR-BGI schedules from December to April or May, one or twice a week.
But no charters before 2003, if any are done at all.

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