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NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 4:05 am

One question.

Would you rather travel on NWA's Domestic fleet ( a fwe older DC9-31,51, DC10-40, old 727 and largest US fleet of brand new A320/A319 and new 757) or, United Domestic fleet (older 737-200,300,500, old 727, very aging 767-200, newer 757 and a few new A320/A319.)

Let me know. i personally would rather be on a brand new NWA A320/319 than a 737-300, which you are likly to get when. Uniteds fleet of Airbus is limited but growing.

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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 4:12 am

I would probably choose Northwest's because I like flying Airbuses because they seem to be quieter and smoother, and I also like DC-9's and 727's
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 4:18 am

I'd choose NWA, as the DC-9's/-10's and 727's will be gone soon. I'd also fly on a UAL 727.
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 4:18 am

Ummm....you forgot a lot of stuff about United's fleet.

United does operate a large number of 737s. All of those with the exception of the 737-200s have audio. All non-shuttle 737s are capable of handling hot meals.

The only old planes in United's fleet are the 727, and considering everything, they are kept up very well. They will be gone in a few years.

United is also one of the largest Airbus operators in the world as well as in the United States. With close to 150 examples and a new delivery every week, the A319 and the A320 at United are the jewell of the single aisle domestic fleet.

United's A320 family contain expanded audio, as well as video enterntainment...something that NWA does not do.

United also has 98 757s. All of these are equiped with video, and are run on flights from an hour to 6 hours. The 757 is starting to feature United's new interior, and seats, along with the rest of the fleet.

United does run some 762s. The 767-200 is the smallest fleet type in United's fleet. There are 19 examples. These are run on the premium transcons.

The 767-300 and the 777-200 both have 2 configurations. There is a 2 class domestic version of both which does not contain PTVs and there is the 3 class version of both which contains PTVs, Economy Plus, Enhanced Biz and so on.

On a few domestic runs, United does operate the Queen of the Skies. United sends its 747s on LAX-IAD-LAX, and SFO-ORD-SFO. Soon there will be a DEN turns on the 747 from LAX. That features the First Suite, Enhanced Biz, and Economy Plus. United First and United Business are equiped with PTVs, and as soon as the project gets pulled off of hiatus, PTVs will be installed in coach.

So, with NWA, you dont get any form of IFE on a domestic flight. You get crapped out DC9s, and DC10s. You get Airbusses which are like United's 737s, and you get 757s that resemble a bowling shoe.

With United, you get variety. On flights between the hubs, there are many choices in aircraft types. You could fly on one of 8 777 flights to SFO from DEN daily. Some of those are on 3 class birds, and some are on 2 class birds.

I would fly United over NWA anyday as United is a real airline.

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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 4:22 am

Depending on what cities you fly between, UA might just be the better choice. United uses 777s and 767s (both international and domestic configured) between LAX, SFO, MIA, DEN, IAD, ORD, EWR, and SEA. If I were to fly between Miami and Washington Dulles, I could take Northwest Airlines, which operated a direct flight via Memphis on an aging DC-9, or I could take United, which flies an international-configured 777-200 or 767-300ER (depending on season, day, etc.) on the route, non-stop.
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NWA's Airbus Isn't Like A UAL 737

Mon Sep 10, 2001 4:24 am

to I luv767

obviously you havn't every flown a NWA airbus or 757. The airbuses are about 30 years newer than UAL's 737.

And they do have IFE on the A320/319, 757 and DC10-40. Oviously you have never flown these planes. United doens't operate on the largest airbus fleets in the world. Look at www.ual.com, there isn't 150 aibuses. You don't know your facts. Sorry I forgot the 777, my mistake.

Please don't answer this poll if you are like ILUV767 and have never flown on the airline im talking about.
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 4:35 am

I will take UAL over NWA any time!
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 4:37 am

Zeus01 wrote:

to I luv767

obviously you havn't every flown a NWA airbus or 757. The airbuses are about 30 years newer than UAL's 737.

And they do have IFE on the A320/319, 757 and DC10-40. Oviously you have never flown these planes. United doens't operate on the largest airbus fleets in the world. Look at www.ual.com, there isn't 150 aibuses. You don't know your facts. Sorry I forgot the 777, my mistake.

Please don't answer this poll if you are like ILUV767 and have never flown on the airline im talking about.


First thing, you cant tell me not to respond to a topic or not.

United's 737s are not 30 years old. The 733 and the 735 are 6 to 15 years of age. Not very old by airplane standards. United does not have video on their 737s, and from what I have been told, both by friends, family, and NWA f/a's video has been removed from the Airbusses at NWA. The only real difference on NWA's airbusses to United's 737s is that they have more range. Too bad NWA doesnt use it.

Northwest Airlines doesnt show movies on their domestic flights within the Continental USA. I have heard that LAX-DTW is getting a movie...but im not sure.

United operates one of the largest Airbus fleets in the world. Lemme tell you something, I do know my United facts. I dont like to advertize the fact that my dad works for them, but what he does revolves around the amount of planes in the fleet. I will not specifically say for confidentiality reasons. While there is not yet 150 Airbusses in United's fleet, there will be by this time next year. There are more and more airbusses comming.

All my reply was about was to point out what you forgot about with the United fleet.

Get a life!

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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 4:47 am

Oh,

One more thing. Please check your facts. Most of NWA's A320s are older than Uniteds. With the exception of the 727s, and the 732s, United's fleet is a lot newer.

United runs their Airbusses on most routes now. The 737s are being shifted around, and it is almost impossible to get a 737 flight longer than 3 hours. United sends their Airbusses on flights that are 1 to 6 hours in length. I know that as a fact, I've flown on those flights.

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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 4:48 am

The only real difference on NWA's airbusses to United's 737s is that they have more range. Too bad NWA doesnt use it.

True.

Anyway, my opinion is exactly the opposite of that of PolAir.
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 4:53 am

United also puts a 763 into LAS from ORD. I would also rather fly on a UA319 than an old DC9 anyday.
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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 5:23 am

I've flown both many times, and I would always choose UA over NWA.
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 7:59 am

NWA does not have "crapped out" DC9s or DC10s. They all have brand new interiors and are very nice airplanes. Last time I checked IFE does not make or brake my airline experience. I WOULD RATHER ONTIME, CLEAN, W/MY LUGGAGE anyday- something NWA is very good at doing. The A319 fleet is up to 32 now and the 727 fleet is on the way out. The A320s are well kept and most are still under 10 years old.

I hope IFE is reinstalled in the A319/A320 when the economy picks up, but still as I said that does not make or break a flight experience. I would rather read a book than watch a rerun of seinfeld or friends I have seen 10 times before.
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 8:07 am

I between the two I have only flown NW so far, and I liked their DC-9s and DC-10s. I was reasonably comfortable, I was on time, and my bags came with me. I would also fly UA with no qualms whatsoever.
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 11:22 am

Northwest of course! Their DC-9 fleet have the newest interiors in the industry for such an old plane. On every trip with NWA, I got there On-Time, With My Luggage, and Satisifed. All the NWA planes I have been on have been clean and comfortable, the best being the Airbus A320. And their inflight service and employees are excellent.
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 11:55 am

United, any day. Did you even have to ask? United's fleet is far superior to Northwest. They are more comfortable and service is better. Fly the friendly skies........
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 12:15 pm

United. Why fly ANY DC-9 or DC-10 when you have choices such as...

737 (yeah, boring)
757
767
777
747
320
319

Northwest doesn't offer the newer airplanes and IFE in my area (Dallas) as United does.

For example, While NorthWest (or is that NorthWorst? Wait... it's NorthBest, isn't it?) DOES fly the 319 into DFW, they also use a lot of DC-9s. Not a problem for me, but most people like planes with fewer than twelve million cycles on them.

Then, after I leave Dallas on Northwest, I connect through Memphis- the worst airport in the world, I believe according to that survey by Consumer Reports- or DTW- another of the worst airports in the world according to aforementioned magazine.

United, on the other hand, has given me newer 733s and 735s, with an Airbus in there too, offering direct nonstop service to Washington DC. They have IFE, and also good meals, for airline coach fare. I have found their flight attendants to be some of the better in the industry.

For this reason, I book United.

That's my opinion. If you don't like it, then you can take YOUR opinion and shove it up your nose.  Smile

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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 12:49 pm

randy,

i used to live in tyler, tx. now i live in minneapolis. i have to say, u really don't make a fair comparison to NWA with United. The service is vitually the same, except in first class. ANd most people would take the brand new 717 style interior on the dc9 to the ancient 733 and 755 interior anyday. I got stuck on a IAH-ord flight on a 735 and that orange and gray went out of style 20 years ago.
i also have a elite status with nwa, and nwa has quite a few more aibusses than united for you info. They are all less than 8 years old. Uniteds 737s are much older than taht.
i don't mind united at all, but i also don't mind nwa.

Anybody who says things like "cram it up your nose" t is obvioulsy a little intellectually challanged, eh randy?
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 12:58 pm

ILUV767 summed it up really well.

To add on a little, NW DOES NOT have IFE on its Airbuses. Whoever said that is smoking something. Movies are not shown either on domestic flights. I have been on many NW 757 flights from DTW to SFO and LAX where I stared at blank TV screens and became furious with myself for not flying UAL instead.

United also has much better food than NW and nicer interiors as well. For those of you who say IFE doesn't make a or break an airline, I disagree. The total lack of IFE on an airline that markets itself as full service suggests to me that the managment in charge either doesn't give a rats ass about trying to provide a better flight or is just too lazy. Flying a NW flight is virtually impossible to distinguish between Air Tran, SW or ATA.

At least with UAL, when I get on a brand new Airbus, have the pop down screens, get served a meal with silverware and have a good movie I know that there was someone at the airline that cared enough to make the flight nice and make my journey a comfortable and well worth one.
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 1:00 pm

Zeus01, You are wrong about NW Airbuses being less than 8 years old!!! Get your facts right dude!!

I know for a fact NW Airbuses started flying as of November of 89 because I would go to SFO as a kid to watch them come and go!!

UAL only just began getting its 737-300s and 500s then and it continued deliveries of the type throughout the 90s.
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 2:20 pm

Also, to add to the "ancient 737" thing with their "ancient" interiors...the 737 has the same interior as the 757 with the exception of TVs.

United's grey seating with the rainbow stripe is leaving. United's new seats feature adjustable headrests, and a new seat color. For the economy cabin, the seats are blue, with silver "spattered" lines on them. For the Economy plus seats, they are a light grey, with the same silver lines on them.

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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 2:25 pm

Are we bringing up the silverware/plasticware issue again? I hope not...but incase you are...I cannot count the number of times I have had dirty silverware given to me by the airlines. I prefer they offer me plastic because at least I know that is new and clean. Anyway...On longer haul domestic flights, NWA does show variety programing that last for themajority of theflight, so your argurment that you stared at blank screens is false. Fine, the A320/A319 could use some IFE and I have a hunch that the new CEO will put it in when the economy pics up and they start making money again.
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 2:36 pm

What makes you so sure the new CEO will install IFE on the Airbuses when the economy picks up??

Remember, the US was at the peak of its wealth and economic golden period back in 97 when NW made the intelligent decision to rip this feature from service when the likes of UAL, DL and AA were having an all out service war to see which one could have the best planes wired with the most exciting in comfort and entertainment.

This argument is stupid. Objectively speaking, and anyone who has flown both UAL and NW would know, NW is in another league from UAL. NW isn't even a competitive threat to UAL.

NW can keep flying out of dreary, snowy MSP, DTW and little MEM, with dirty older Airbuses, DC-9s and 757s, and leave the real flying for those with high class to UAL with the new 777s, 747-400s, 767s, lots of new Airbuses and 737s through the great cities UAL owns like Chicago, Denver, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Washinton DC.
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 2:41 pm

I agree with the United people so far. I like their service, and fleet better. I've only been on Northwest once before though. I always fly United. I guess I'm biassed. I know that United has much better food than the other US Airlines that I've flown on (Delta, American, Continental, America West) and I imagine the same applies against Northwest (there wasn't a meal on the flight I flew with them (DTW-ORD)

Go United.

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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 2:47 pm

Does NWA even have a flight longer than 4 hours in the Contiental United States?

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IFE

Mon Sep 10, 2001 9:27 pm

Attention all of you people who can't stand reading a book and need visual stimulation.

I just flew from MSP-ANC, on a 757-200. It was about 5 hours and four your info, they sowed the movie schreck. Anyflight on a DC-10, 747, or 757 over 4.5 hours shows a movie. And, I was on a NRT-Seol, Korea flight, 2 hrs, and we were shown a full set of TV shows on a 747-200.
And, NWA747-400, I have seen the emergencie procedure video on the A319 revently on a MSP-IAH flight. They had the flip down TV's. SO maybe it is not in all aircraft.
NWA was one of the first US airlines to use the A320, even before United, look at NWA's aircraft recieveing record, nwa.com, and still provides brand new interiors on all aircraft. io sure as hell would rather fly on a DC9-51 than one of Uniteds super crappy and explosivly loud 737-200 or 300s.
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 10:30 pm

i work for UAL and personally hate that Airbus "hum" on the A319/A320's that we have.....wish dumbass WOLF would never have bought those SCUD's.
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 10:50 pm

I would go for UA if you want to fly on the 762 and their almost retired 722. But, I would fly NW if you want to fly their DC-10-40J which is almost also about to be retired. But if I were you, I would fly UA for the planes and for channel 9.

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RE: NWA Or United

Mon Sep 10, 2001 10:57 pm

I've flown both Northwest and United, in coach in both and in First Class on both, and there are MAJOR differences.

Best Economy & First Class Seats: United
I've flown 2 revenue segments in F on NW... one on a 757 LAS-DTW and one on a DC-9-50 MEM-ORD. Both seats weren't plush and felt like a coach seat, just wider. They did have headrests, but that didn't sooth the fact I could feel the seat supports with my spine. United also has a cabin seperator that is not a cloth hanging from the ceiling. In coach, it's the same on Northwest. The seats aren't very plush, but the legroom is acceptable. On United, I've seen the same seats being used.. with decent comfort and legroom (including my Economy Plus section!).

Service Wise: Toss Up
I've had awesome employees on both sides... I really can't say "united is better because.."

Food Service: United
Inflight food service on Northwest in the US? Ha! On United, you get your food serviced on board the aircraft... not from a cooler with food that is 12 hours old. United snacks are given on most flights over 50 minutes during certain times of the day and the lil box is normally stuffed full... meal service is still decent. I've never been able to experience meal service on Northwest, but I have had my share of honey roasted peanuts.... which they gladly give you multiple bags of.

Inflight Entertainment: United
aye aye aye... do i need to discuss this? United offers audio on all flights, unless you are on a Boeing 737-200. United also shows short feature videos on almost every flight I've been on, including a 757 from O'Hare to Detroit, and it's FREE! Channel 9 -- live ATC (most of the time).

Frequent Flyer Program: Northwest
Even though I am a Premier Executive with Mileage Plus, I like the flexibility of the Northwest World Perks program and their partners... Midway (for now) and Continental are two major pluses in my book.

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I'm only 22 and yes, I do travel frequently as a revenue passenger... I've flown both carriers and like them both, depending on what i'm looking for. While I am strongly loyal to United, other airlines do offer products that cater to other individuals.

I just prefer United because it gets boring flying 2-8 segments a week on a plane for 2-6 hours per leg.... on United, I can at least enjoy a meal, sometimes a short feature movie, and always audio service..

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RE: NWA Or United

Tue Sep 11, 2001 1:17 am

United, they have newer aircraft!
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Tue Sep 11, 2001 1:43 am

Well I would fly Northwest since they have cheaper fares, better Frequent Flier programs, you have a better chance of flying on a classic airplane that is better maintained (NW spent $7 million USD PER DC-9 in their fleet upgrading the interiors, engines and avionics).

Additionally, United is ALWAYS unfriendly. I have never had good service in the air or on the ground. Every airline has it's bad eggs, UA seems to have more than most.

As for IFE, the 757's are being retrofitted with new video screens (comparable to the A320's on UA), the 744's are rumored to have PTV's in every seat coming soon, and the A330's will have PTV and on-demand video in every seat. This was announced to employee a few weeks ago.

Dasburg was a jerk that ran NW into the ground, Anderson seems to want to make NW a major player in the service area. Look for NWA to become a dominant carrier when it comes to fleet, service, safety, innovations and overall customer satisfaction.
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RE: NWA Or United

Tue Sep 11, 2001 2:12 am

I agree with your Branif727.

Also, for those of you who liken NWA to Southwest....

Advanced Seat Assignments
Internet Checkin
Thru baggage checkin in
Frequent Flyer partners
Elite Programs
First/Business Class
Reaccomadtion onto other airlines incase of airlines' fault
At least some aircraft have IFE
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Tue Sep 11, 2001 2:25 am

Braniff,

I on the other hand have flown tons of segments on United and never had a problem.... everyone is always courteous and kind on United....

perceptions are always different......

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RE: NWA Or United

Tue Sep 11, 2001 2:26 am

AA737-823:
Obviously operating as a member of this forum at the absolute PEAK of maturity...
Not a problem for me, but most people like planes with fewer than twelve million cycles on them
True, most planes with 12,000,000 cycles are flying from those imaginary destinations like the intelligence of your posts.

Midwest Express' N700ME has had fewer reliability problems than N803ME and N805ME, and it's the oldest DC9 in service!

I have found their flight attendants to be some of the better in the industry
Now I'll preface this by saying that service is a conglomerate effort of the ramp agents, CSRs at the gates, and F/As; however, the following facts stack up against UA:

Examining the month of July alone, when UA's turnaround supposedly begain, here's the numbers:

UA cancelled flights: 1608
NW cancelled flights: 524

UA mishandled baggage reports per 1000 pax: 5.74
NW mishandled baggage reports per 1000 pax: 4.16

UA invol. denied boarding per 10000 pax: 1.31
NW invol. denied boarding per 10000 pax: 0.45

UA total complaints: 321 (an industry leader for the second consecutive year!)
*Excluding United Express
NW total complaints: 98

In fact, more of the complaints from UA originate from Customer Service related issues than do NW's!

http://www.dot.gov/airconsumer/0109atcr.pdf

Also, according to the DOT, United, remarkably has fallen behind Northwest in on-time arrivals by six spots for EVERY month in 2001.

For the hubs, of which someone quipped that MSP, MEM, and DTW are 'grey and dreary,' Perhaps they've never visited ORD in January, or SFO in November. Or taken the fact that of hub cities, here's the comparison:

UA at ORD: 71.0% of flights on time
NW at MSP: 79.6% of flights on time

UA at DEN: 78.8% of flights on time
NW at DTW: 84.8% of flights on time

Memphis is not ranked, so we shall not venture there.

I'll let the DOT records, the fact that NW's scheduled service where United wishes to believe they dominate, the Atlantic market, has increased 16% over the previous year.

Now, for an airline that supposedly has horrid service, non-existent IFE, trashed hubs, and decrepid aircraft, it's amazing to see their Atlantic service have increased so drastically--considering there is a higher percentage of Biz travellers in the overseas market!

By the way, the IATA has named MSP the best airport in North America for the second consecutive year...what has United earned for two years in a row? The most complaints.

Regards,

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RE: NWA Or United

Tue Sep 11, 2001 2:34 am

Give me a classic DC-9 anyday!

And to the guy who said UAL's 737's were between 6 and 15 years old, not true. The last of the 733's were delivered in 1990, and the last 735 was delivered in 1993, making the youngest one 8 yrs old and counting.
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Tue Sep 11, 2001 2:41 am

Until UsAir finishes off their fleet of all airbus, UA IS the largest operator of Airbuses in North America. We add a new one every month. Most of those new ones pass through PHL before they are a month old. I haven't seen a 727 in Philly in six months, except for a divertion from ORD to LGA. UA's fleet is newer decor is nicer, and I'm not biased or anything the customer service is better.
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RE: NWA Or United

Tue Sep 11, 2001 5:02 am

If you want to be ontime go on Northwest.
 
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THe Facts Are Out About UAL

Tue Sep 11, 2001 5:41 am

Look UAL fans,

UAl doens't have a larger Airbus fleet than NWA. LAst week, NWA recieved two new A319's at MSP and who knows how many at DTW. You can look for yourself at the ATA webisite. It has all the airline facts. And, according to the ost prestigous travel authority in the world, the IATA, MSP was the best in N. Amercia. That means that it beat Uniteds hubs. yes, you can't denie that. You all say that its so cold in Minnesota and thats true. But, unlike any of the other dumbass southern airports an s ORD, we know how to clear snow fast and de-ice fast. MSp closed for 13 minutes for the entire year of 2000. I was there for it in the snowstorm on the runway in a brand-newly refurbished DC-10-30 from london.
Anyway, MLSra, I salute you. Way to sock it to UAL. Thats a punch in the face. So UAL, i don't mind you to much, but obviosuly somebody does.

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RE: NWA Or United

Tue Sep 11, 2001 5:45 am

mlsra: couldnt have said it better myself!
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Tue Sep 11, 2001 6:21 am

Hey, nothing wrong with United.... or Northwest.

but if northwest is SO good, why is United the #2 carrier in terms of boardings at Minneapolis ? ? ?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Seems like a lot of defectors in NW's hometown...

I don't see what having the "largest" airbus fleet has to do with anything. Too bad they don't have IFE or audio

I wish all my friends here that fly Northwest could just TRY United and enjoy Channel 9, the legroom, and service (more than just a pack of peanuts!)
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RE: NWA Or United

Tue Sep 11, 2001 9:43 am

The simple fact is, if NW were as great as some of you claim, then the common frequent flying community would have discovered this a long time ago and NW would be tremendously larger. I find it interesting that an airline like NW who has a huge Pacific presence can't build crap out of the west coast and whos traffic number predominatly only skew to what will fill a DC-9 or Airbus. Looking at UAL's structure they are filling 777s and 747-400s just to fly domestically from say ORD to LAX or DEN to LAX.

Maybe someday if NW gets its act together, they too may be able to fill a 747 to DTW from say SFO or LAX or EWR. But as of now they are falling more and more into a niche player who caters to those frequent flyers exclusively in their hub cities and attracting other fliers out on the spokes through constant fare sales.

NW also better look out because last I checked, CO has been doing quite a turn around and build up of EWR. I can't imagine NW staying at number 4 much longer.

 
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RE: NWA Or United

Tue Sep 11, 2001 10:00 am

NWA won't fly a 747 DTW-SFO because in order to make money on that flight you would have to charge a higher percentage of high fares. Flying the extremly fuel efficient A320 or 757 full is a much better idea. The 747 is designed for long haul flying (transpac mostly) because even 747 across the altantic can proove costly if not managed correctly.
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Tue Sep 11, 2001 10:15 am

Braniff727:

"Additionally, United is ALWAYS unfriendly."

Oh, come on!!  Yeah sure

Methinks you're exaggerating just a wee bit!

Zeus01: UAL has more 320's than NW. Deal with it.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Tue Sep 11, 2001 10:19 am

Definitely Northwest I like their Airbus's and their fleet is just outstanding to me. Plus the destinations they fly are much more reasonable than Uniteds. Plus they are on time alot more. And if you plan to fly on any commuters beware that you might get stuck on some crummy Embraer than on a ARJ or CRJ for Northwest. Northwest rocks!!



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RE: NWA Or United

Tue Sep 11, 2001 10:31 am

To I luv 767:
Have you ever rode on a NWA plane?? Maybe you should try one time and you might find out that UAL is for pussies and That NWA is a real airline! And yes Northwest does show movies on domestic flights. When i flew from MCO-MSP on a DC-10 they did show a movie during the flight.



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RE: NWA Or United

Tue Sep 11, 2001 10:52 am

United, they have newer aircraft!

Oh please! Yeah sureIf United's planes are so much "newer" than those of Northwest, then they are going to be around for a long time. Why not fly on the DC-9 or DC-10 before they are all gone?


NWA ARJ,

Agreed 100% Northwest will get you there on-time. They have cool RJ-85 and CRJ's.


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RE: NWA Or United

Tue Sep 11, 2001 10:52 am

NWA ARJ:

You are right, UAL is for pussies and I'm the biggest one!! I can't help it if I prefer an airline that is going to go out of its way to pamper me, treat me well, feed me well and keep me very comfortable. I guess there are some that are meant to fly in style and class (the UAL crowd-or pussie crowd as NWA ARJ puts it) then there are those that don't deserve and aren't worth the nicer things when flying and are meant to fly on long haul flights where there is no distinguishable difference between SW or ATA-oh that must be the NW crowd!

Good analogy NWA ARJ, I'm glad someone finally came up with one to sum up this debate!
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Tue Sep 11, 2001 11:10 am

UAL is for pussies

That is not what I was agreeing with. That comment was very rude, stupid and not necssary.
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Tue Sep 11, 2001 11:16 am

I have flown United once, and I don't feel like flying with them again. Northwest is very generous. Their crews have always been nice. In fact, on two of my flights, they gave me F/C Treats without me even asking. I always put NWA pins on my bag when I fly, to show my support. The crews are dedicated, and caring. The entire fleet is great. I also support Richard Anderson, and I think he's doing a great job. If its not NWA, its America West or Continental, their partners.
 
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RE: NWA Or United

Wed Sep 12, 2001 5:17 am

NWAirlines:
That comment was very rude, stupid and not necssary Yea well I do not think that you are necessary. So can it

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