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Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 9:35 am

From what I heard on a local news radio
(CBS radio news), several of the Arab-
Amercian passengers who were removed
from flights have filed a class-action
lawsuit, seeking one billion dollars in
damages. The defedants included most
of the major airlines involved.

I think they have a real case here. As
with most of these type of suits, the likely
outcome is a settlement. My wife, who is
an attorney, said they can probably expect
$750k to $1.25M per plantiff, in the worst
case.

I am a 4th generation Japanese-American.
The first member of my family came here
in 1919. My grandfather and father were
both born right here. They owned
a grocery store for 15 years, until they
were forcibly taken to camps.(or what I
call prisons)



 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 9:39 am

This was bound to happen sooner or later.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 9:42 am

well, they could so, and i agree with them!

i mean after passing by security which is supposed to have improved, but you still see the Crew and the Cabin crew not wanting to close the door just because there is an Arab passenger or a middle east passenger on board while he is completely innocent.
so i dont blame them when they sued! i would have done the same

 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:17 am

Will the airlines be able to afford anymore
financial liability without going into serious
trouble?(as if they're aren't already)

Eventually we all have to bear the cost,
both in air fare and taxes(gov't bail out).

I wasn't on those planes, so I can't say
exactly what happened. However, I can't
believe nobody stood up for those Arab-
Amerians who were pulled off...

I think the FAA needs to look at its policy
regarding this. No question that the
captain of the aircraft has the authority,
but not if it is based on discrimination.

 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:25 am

Is 750k $ equal to not beeing let onto a flight, that's sick.
If they care about their country they shouldn't be filing lawsuits like this as it will drag the country's airlines even deeper into the dirt.
Do these people only care about personal gain??

Staffan
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:27 am

Well, they probably do...but they're probably very angry about the way they were treated.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:35 am

sometimes a costly lawsuit is the only way
these big companies will learn to correct
their mistakes.

If they had sued for bad service or things
like that, I'd say it's for money. However,
in this case, I think they need to stand
up against discrimination.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,

Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:39 am

Ah yes.. the nuances of the American way rear their ugly heads as its people are in their finest hour.

The first wrong was to jump to conclusions and kick those poor people off the plane. Some people want so badly to be as heroic as those in New York, Washington and Pittsburgh that they jump at the opportunity. How much do you think those heros in the places to tragedy would gladly trade in that title for their colleagues back?

And then, following with the opportunistic theme, those people kicked off the plane get talked into a class action suit by the proverbial Lionel Hutzes of the world. So far the laywers have kept their paws off of this event, yet now they smell money. It used to be that you'd go to court once there was no other recourse. Is there still , of course? But thanks to some greeedy people, it's time to litigate, litigate and litigate!

Point is, there are many other courses of action in dealing with that type of bias and racism. This is one that ends in a great of person gain for the victims... and their laywers.

T.J.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:48 am

Who will be the looser in this lawsuit? Probably the poor workers that get fired from the airline because of cutdowns.

Staffan
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,

Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:49 am

I'll have to find that news thread again,
but if memory serves me correct, the
suit was started by two Arab-American
lawyers who were forced off. They were
dressed in impeccable business suits at
the time. I guess they couldn't talk their
way of of the armed escorts who took them offf...
 
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Bobcat

Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:53 am

Unbeleivable... and here I am, considering law school for next Sept!  Smile
 
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RE: Bobcat

Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:57 am

This class-action law suit is ill-timed. 6000+ Americans have died and yes these people are suing over a slight that ended up being a minor inconvenience at best (I'm sure they caught a subsequent flight)?

Hmmmmmm.



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Are You Saying Rosa Parks Should Take The Next Bus

Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:03 am

Are you saying Rosa Parks should take the next bus, and sit in the "colored" section
because the next bus is only a few minutes away?

The ultimate reason for going to war
with the terrorists is to protect our
coutr and defend the constitution,
remember?

(to the perspective law student above,
nothing wrong with being a lawyer...
there are many innocent/wronged people
who need to be helped)
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:12 am

Do people have a 'Right' to fly....?

That is the question,,,when there are other modes of transportation.

Do Airlines have the right to 'refuse service to anyone'....which I see signs posted all the time at stores here in America.....or do they(Airlines) have to take 'all comers'...?

If we suffer another cockpit invasion, and a crash, what will Teej13 say then?

Can anybody tell me the law on this, I don't know it,.,,?


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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:17 am

I agree that these people should be pissed as all hell for being singled out simply because of their skin color and the fact they speak a foreign language-I've seen this happen several times this week, and it's maddening. I can understand people being nervous and cautious, but to throw people off the plane willy-nilly beause they're Arab, or even Indian or Sicialian, for goodness sake, is just crazy and paranoid.

Having said that, I think a $1 Billion lawsuit is the height of stupidity and greed. Should the airlines be compensating these people-I think they should be. Should these people be getting rich because of this? Absolutely not.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:32 am

go arabs
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:40 am

I think it is very unfortunate the situation we are in right now. We, as a nation, the United States have been shaken very badly, we are nervous and at times terrified of the unthinkable.
It is sad and wrong that any individual would be singled out and accused of being a terroist. While I cannot personally say what it would be like to be in such a situation, (singled out)I would however, as an american try and understand the reasoning behind greater security.
It is very unfortunate to be such a situation, but a degree of greater security is necessary.
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:54 am

If you ask me, its a stupid lawsuit that wont go very far.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:54 am

at least they're not going after gays anymore. of course once this blows over, we're still the last legally persecuted minority in most states.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:58 am

I'm tired of seeing pictures like i did recently of an arab american man behind glass. glass with 21 bullet holes in it. All put their by people ostensibly pissed off at "terrorism"! The hippocrasy!

at any rate its terorism because it terrifies people and makes them change the way the conduct themselves. if we sink to dicrimination and racist profiling, then guess who wins? (clue it isn't us...)

Yes, a billion dollars is absurd. but the lawyers probably chose it for shock value. they don't plan to collect that much, they won't be awarded that much, and if a lower court does give that much, a higher court will lower it (remeber that big McDonalds coffe case? while the multi million dolar outcome was widley reported, no one seemed to notice when a higher ourt lowered it substialy).

The fact of the matter is that making a profit is priotity #1 for almost all publicly help companies (and 2, 3, and4). If you want them to change you have to hit the them whjere it hurts. in the pocketbook.

SJCalien- unless you are a private organization (i.e. the KKK, boy scouts, or stone masons) descrimination based on race or religeon is illegal.
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 12:02 pm

Let em sue BUT ONLY if ALL "winnings" are then given to charities for victims of the cause (9/11) for this situation, OK? And same for fee for lawyer...

They probably got free tickets from airline...that should be enough under the conditions we are in now..

And if this little incident is "worth" that much (NO way!) then how much are the relatives of victims on crashed flights going to ask for? Do I hear 100 trillion? Come on, let's get real...
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 12:11 pm

They can kiss my.....I'm part American Indian so should I be suing for what the European settlers did to my people generations ago? I think not. These people need to get a life and face reality. They eventually got on another flight. A first class upgrade and a few free tickets are more than sufficient compensation.

I suppose they would rather the airlines take no action at all. That way if another terrorist got aboard THEIR flight their next of kin could sue for negligence. This country was built on hard work. I for one have had enough of this free ride crap.

 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 12:21 pm

I firmly believe that the US has the right to utilize any and every profile available, even if it is racial profiling. There is no such thing as too safe, especially when nearly 20 Islamic terrorists took over FOUR airplanes, crashed them into prearranged targets, and killed thousands of innocent civilians. This attack was so brutal that it will serve to substantiate any excuse brought up against discrimination of anyone.

Don't get me wrong, I most certainly am not racist, and I have many Muslims I work with and am friendly with outside of the airport. However, in times of crisis, we must take every precaution possible. Bear in mind that all of this is certainly temporary.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 12:43 pm

I can't believe some of the responses here, there sickining. One person said "don't give em a dime" another said 6000 + people are dead and people are suing airlines. If a pay $600+ for an airline ticket I expect to get to my destination, and treated with the respect I that I deserve no matter what race I am and what other people of my race did that has no conection with me.

Airlines are going through hard times, and if they don't show the respect that all paying passegers deserve the deserve to go bankrupt an Airline. This type of profiling is saying that american people have no respect for anyone and are just as bad as every one else. We are suppose to be setting an example that all american people are created equal, no matter of race, sex, or creed. BECAUSE A HANDFULL OF ARABS OR MUSLIMS ARE SCUMBAGS WHO HAVE NO RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT ALL ARE BAD. THE SOME GOES FOR ALL RACES, OR NATIONALITIES.

My point is they have every right to sue, and the airlines who allow the crew to disrespect the paying pax who pass through the new more stringent security measures, deserves to be sued.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 12:50 pm

Could this, perhaps, signal that lawyers have already set their sights on the billions of $$$ the airlines have wangled from Congress?
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:07 pm

777gk-

If CO keeps it up it'll drive itself out of business considering the court costs.


Twotterwrench-

Put 5 white guys in a row and tell me which one is going to blow up the Murrah Federal Building...


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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:09 pm

These Arab passenger are asking too much, I don't think they even heard the news about airlines in crisis...

First I was ashamed about the airlines for removing them. But now, I'm felt ashame for those Arab passengers for asking too much money for compensation.

I think Airlines are trying to be really cautious. What if one of those Arab passengers are terrorists?
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:09 pm

Sometimes you just gotta suck it up and take one for the team. Is it wrong that these people were kicked off the flight? Yes. Is extremely tightened security the appropriate response in the wake of this tragedy? Absolutely. You can never be to careful. I think that the benefit of overactive security outweighs the disadvantage of having a terrorist aboard.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:09 pm

Maybe we can't tell who the terrorist if you line 5 in a row, Twotterwrench, but throw you in that line, and we CAN tell without a doubt who the xenophobic, ugly-American is, that's for sure. You are obscene sometimes.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,

Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:20 pm

How typical..how f*****g typical. If these people are suspect for whatever reason, then I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:29 pm

Which one would be the terrorist? Gosh, I dunno.

Perhaps the five men (or "ragheads" as you put it) are NOT even Arabs! Did you know that many Indians who are of course NOT Arab or Muslim, wear turbans around their heads? In fact, one was killed in Arizona because some fanatic like you thought he was an Arab. But I guess it doesn't matter to you, as long as they "look" like terrorist they shouldn't be allowed to board a plane or live thier lives. This is sad! And you should be ashamed of yourself insulting a race of people by calling them "towel heads" and "ragheads". This is why so many people hate us. This is not the time to be insensative while so many people are still hurting. We've seen enough of that over the last several days.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,

Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:31 pm

The only thing making them "suspect for whatever reason" Bagmaster is xenophobia, as displayed by Twotterwrench, combined with what is a sense of fear, which in of itself is understandable. What you get is paranoia that is beyond all proportion. It's the old McCarthyism rearing it's ugly head again-Guilt by Association, in this case, by skin color. Peope have to be careful, to be sure, but to deny those who have nothing to do with this the freedom to travel, diminishes what America should stand for. Even President Bush has said as much.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:33 pm

Don't worry about Twotterwrench, Climbout. By his own admission, he's a good Christian man, who apparently only displays his Christianity when it suits him. He is the quintisential Ugly American.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:34 pm

Amen, Alpha1!
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:35 pm

Twotterwrench That is the racist un amercan attitude that I am talking about. Sure we don't know who is a terrorist, and yes every one is scared, but that doesn't mean that we should kick every arab off of airliners, and if every one is judged on what a member of there race did, then skinny white people shouldn't be allowed in Federal Buildings. Not trying to offend anyone just making a point.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:53 pm

Well said! Should everyone who looks
like McVeigh be barred from Federal
buildings? I'm sure there are plenty of
people who fit his description.

I don't know which is more dangerous:
people who are racists or people who
have no idea they are racists...

Comments like towel or raghead are very
degrading.

Ten years after the Gulf War, still only
15% of people polled can correctly identify
where Iraq and Kuwait are.

More disturbing still... Gallup poll shows
only 5% of those polled can point out
Afghanistan on a map. If you don't even
know where the terrorist is, how do you
plan to destroy him? Certainly not by
picking on Arab-Americans who love the
USA just as much any other American
citizen.

My favorite quote from The Godfather is
"Do not hate your enemy, it affects your
judgement." We should only view the
terrorists as rabid dogs. Don't hate them,
just put them to down.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:58 pm

Bobcat, he knows he's a racists. He just thinks thats how everyone else should be. What a sad way to live. What a waste of life.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:59 pm

I honestly hope they get nothing for this.. The ones removed from the NWA plane were on the news, and it was said that NWA acted within the law in what they did.. Personally, I may be nervous if I was on a flight with one, but I'd sit down, shut up, turn on my CD player and get over it.. These are AMERICAN CITIZENS too, after all... (at least some of them.)

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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 2:00 pm

Well said about the ignorance of these people.

The people who are kicking Arabs off of planes are the same ones who looted Los Angeles for color tvs and stero systems.

These people had no idea what was going on. They didn't care about the trial, they just wanted to take care of themselves.

Same thing in this situation.
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 2:01 pm

If they win are they gonna still be mad and donate the proceeds to the Taliban?
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 2:05 pm

Just so you know, in the book "The Ugly American", the man to whom the title refers is actually a noble and decent man who helps design an irrigation system for a poor Asian villiage. Many people misuse the term "Ugly American."

I do not care to get too involved in the lawsuit discussion, each side of the issue has its merits. However, I will say this...if for ANY reason I do not feel comfortable about the safety of a flight, that flight does not operate, at least not with me as the pilot. All the lawyers in the world could not get me to fly a plane which I feel is unsafe, and that includes having a "gut" feeling about a passenger. That is why we are paid well, to make decisions that may not be popular, in the interest of safety. I am not saying that it is right to deny boarding to a passenger based solely on race, that clearly is wrong. However, due to recent events, I would certainly pay closer attention to anyone of Middle-Eastern descent on my plane. If I saw ANY suspicious behavior, they would be looking for alternate means of transportation. Perhaps that is what happened to the plaintiffs in question. Is that fair? No. But I am not the one who changed the rules. Those cowardly pieces of excrement who used my profession to attack my country are the ones who should be blamed.
A note in closing. It is easy for a lawyer in a courtroom, or an anonymous poster on a message board to criticize the decisions made by some aviation professionals. It is far more difficult to be there on the front lines, knowing that each decision could cost lives. If more people realized that then perhaps safety would replace political correctness as a primary concern.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 2:05 pm

On another topic -I was posed this question once in a Psychology class ions ago in London, so let's see how people fare here:

If you're shown photographs of 4 people.
A white woman aged 70ish.
A Pakistani man in a turban in his 40s.
An asian man in a suit, in his 20s.
An african-american woman in her 30s

And you have 2 seconds to decide who would have been the most likely suspect who firebombed a bus. Who would you say is the most likely culprit?
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,

Sun Sep 23, 2001 2:09 pm

Well said FLYDELTAJETS!
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 2:18 pm

One billion is too much! i can go with one million

i see that there have been many racial responses here.. i mean, what if we started denying the boarding of Americans on our airlines like Emirates or other airlines.. what would you guys think? i think that you wouldnt think its fair and yeah thats what some airlines are starting to do..

 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 2:25 pm

Twott, "raghead" is a racial slur in case you are too ignorant to realize that my friend. As for the rest of what you said, let me just say that it is impossible to debate bigotry and those who spew it and are so full of it.

To put it in simpler terms for that low intelligence you have, you are a bigot and you are ignorant. You stand out among all ugly Americans who love to proclaim the freedom and liberty that their country has and yet deny it to others on the basis of how they look.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 2:27 pm

1 billiion eh? Let's face it, they're just starting with a ridiculously huge figure and will work their way down until a settlement can be reached out of court. I say somewhere in the 5 digits, maybe even low 6 digit figure sum, will be the dollar figure that'll be distributed amongst the passengers.
As much as symphatize with those who were treated with disrespect in recent days, they should spend energy funneled into this lawsuit into somethings that'll promote and educate Americans about Arab Americans. This huge sum will do know good to their perception to America.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 3:12 pm

Twotterwrench,

Thats disgusting. You call yourself Christian and than use racial slurs? I'm not Christian but I know there is something in that goddamn religion of yours about tolerance and love for your fellow humans? You skip that part?

Now for these Arabs. They captain should have the right to throw anyone of the goddamn plane he wants. You look funny or ugly or threatening or anything, seeya. Thats what our air travel system has come to sadly.

Also a billion dollars is gruesome, and it would take jobs from people struggling for a living. So thats awful.

If they do win whatever amount they should give it to the relief effort. That would be very very noble and probably Islamic too.

rgds
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 3:15 pm

Now what would you guys say if the persons denied boarding was :
1) An obese man
2) A black woman
3) A handicapped man
4) A white woman

It makes no difference. It's racists, sexists and what have you. Just because someone looks the part doesn't mean that anybody can come up with an excuse to descriminate.

For those of you who even cared about the survey above:

If you're shown photographs of 4 people.
A white woman aged 70ish.
A Pakistani man in a turban in his 40s.
An asian man in a suit, in his 20s.
An african-american woman in her 30s

And you have 2 seconds to decide who would have been the most likely suspect who firebombed a bus. Who would you say is the most likely culprit?


Interestingly enough - it all depended on where the person came from to answer the questions -
1) If the person was from North America, chances were he would say the Pakistani man with the turban.
2) If the person was from the UK, they would have suspected the little old woman (IRA)
3) If the person was from Asia, they would have said the asian man (Taiwan would say China, Thailand would say Burma, Japan would say Korean etc)
4) If the person was from Africa, then they would have said the African-American like woman (no indication to say where she was exactly from). (Zimbabwe radicals)

So it all depends on how you look at it ...

ANYONE can be a terrorist.
ANYONE can be innocent.

So where do you draw the line?

 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 3:27 pm

I know a good way to stop these useless discrimination lawsuits, a moratorium on law school admissions.
 
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RE: Removed Arab Passengers Sue For USD$1,000,000,000

Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:04 pm

I'm not going to take sides in this particular thread, since it has taken on a decidedly ugly tone, but I will offer this article from the Minneapolis Star Tribune because it does answer the legal question posted by someone earlier in this thread about whether or not an airline can refuse to fly a passenger.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/1576/705987.html

NWA regrets kicking Arab-American men off flight in Twin Cities
Larry OakesStar Tribune
 Published Sep 22 2001

Northwest Airlines said today that it regrets any misunderstanding after four Arab-American men in the Twin Cities were removed off a flight Thursday from the Minneapolis to Salt Lake City.

Northwest spokesman Doug Killian said there was a security concern with the flight crew. The men were escorted off the jet by Northwest employees and then questioned by local law enforcement.

Once released, Killian said, Northwest put them on the next available flight, on Delta Airlines.

Three of the men told reporters in Salt Lake City that they were removed from the plane because passengers refused to fly with them.

Northwest said it was investigating the incident but would not elaborate.

The men live in Salt Lake City and were on their way home from Philadelphia when they were booted from a connecting flight.

They declined to give their names, but once in Utah they said they had undergone an extensive security check before being allowed to board. But other passengers refused to fly as long as they stayed on board.

Northwest said it had no choice. The airline said that under government security rules it has to ``reaccommodate´´ passengers if their actions or presence make a majority of the other passengers uncomfortable.

The men say they feel depressed and very discriminated against.

If this is the case, then their lawsuit has no merit.

Bobcat, regarding your statement, "I guess they couldn't talk their way of of the armed escorts who took them offf... please note that the "escorts" were NWA employees, so I doubt they were "armed"

Twotterwrench, regarding your statement, "It will be a long time before i will get on an airplane with a towel head on it. what makes you think these men had "towels" on their heads? One of the men was interviewed last night on ABC's Nightline and he didn't have a "towel" on his head, nor a beard, for that matter.

There were also some pictures of two of the hijackers passing through security (at PWM, I believe) and they did not have "towels" on their heads, either. I agree that you are entitled to your opinion, but do you have to present it in such an obnoxious manner?

LoneStarMike

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