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Supersonic Cruiser

Thu Oct 18, 2001 9:41 am

Just a couple of more tidbits of information on the sonic cruiser—Recent wind tunnel tests confirmed predicted performance at m1+. Cruise speed will be m1.2, even over land. At least one engine manufacturer has responded to a confidential RFQ by stating their ability to make a turbofan with a 2-1 bypass ratio and a 700 gallon/hour fuel burn that would be capable of pushing to S.C. to m1.35. That means with two engines and two hundred seats, the operating economics are similar to a 762.

I will state again that my source of information is third hand—an ex Boeing engineer who stays in touch with his former colleagues. When he's sober he's usually right.
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RE: Supersonic Cruiser

Thu Oct 18, 2001 9:44 am

If this information is correct, then I think his former colleagues will be in serious trouble.
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RE: Supersonic Cruiser

Thu Oct 18, 2001 10:46 am

This quote is from Boeing's news release of Sept 17.

" Environmental performance is an important factor in the design of the Sonic Cruiser; it will be quieter and leaner than all anticipated regulations and provide excellent fuel efficiency. "

This is a change from what they stated early sonic cruiser press releases July 10. "will have fuel effeciency similiar to today's long-range jets"

This may seem minor but could Boeing be getting some good data from it's recent testing?
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RE: Supersonic Cruiser

Thu Oct 18, 2001 10:51 am

I still don't think that Boeing has a license to break the laws of physics... Same operating economics as a 767, at mach 1.35? Will just have to wait and see...  Smile
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RE: Supersonic Cruiser

Fri Oct 19, 2001 1:11 am

Was just at a presentation today....M.97 is the cruise target with an 8000 nm range
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RE: Supersonic Cruiser

Fri Oct 19, 2001 2:47 am

I'm sceptical about the entire thing right now... Besides, how could a plane with a bypass ratio of 2:1 meet all anticipated (noise) regulations and be as fuel efficient as a high-bypass-ratio driven 767?

Also, the -200 is of course an easier target to beat than the -300. Usually, the standard versions of any plane need to be stretchable, so they are heavier and more fuel consuming than they absolutley need to be. The stretch is then more efficient on the fuel burn per pax ratio, so the realistic benchmark to beat would be the 767-300/400, or the 777-200/300.


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RE: Supersonic Cruiser

Fri Oct 19, 2001 3:10 am

Remember when Boeing first announced the "Sonic Cruiser" and some referred to it as "yellowstone"? Boeing stated that "yellowstone" was a code name for technology used on the "Sonic Cruiser". I think this is Boeing's secret weapon on the Sonic Criuser and it's the reason why they are able to get such good initial performance numbers.

Stay tuned.
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RE: Supersonic Cruiser

Fri Oct 19, 2001 3:17 am

M0.97 is rubbish. There's too much transsonic drag. Believe it or not, it may be cheaper for the SC to cruise at M1.2 than at M.97.
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