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BryanG
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New SST

Fri Dec 04, 1998 10:19 am

There aren't many years left for the Concordes, and there's no real replacement design in sight. Boeing's tests on the Tupolev can only make us think that their engineers are trying ot come up with something new. Do you think that there is a demand for such a new SST? Will Concorde ever have a successor? What routes do you think it would be profitable for, and what airlines do you think would order a new SST? What are your opinions?

I'm betting that Boeing wants to build a super-long range SST for the Asian market, one capable of Hong Kong-West Coast USA or even Singaopore-West Coast USA. I'd give it a compression lift design like the old XB-70.
 
flyf15
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RE: New SST

Fri Dec 04, 1998 10:39 am

I have annual report/stock report from MD in 1992. It shows a HSCT (Hyper Sonic Civil Transport) that MD was seriously thinking about. It says that:

"McDonnell Douglas has been conductinbg High Speed Civil Transport studies in conjunction with the NASA High-Speed Research Program. The McDonnell Douglas baseline aircraft cruises at Mach 2.4, with a payload of 300 passengers in a three-class configuration and a design range of 5000 nautical miles. The HSCT will reduce transoceanic flight times by more than half."

Heres a pic:

Note the MD-11s, MD-80s, and HSCT parked at the terminal. Is that SFO?

I'd be willing to bet that the new Boeing aircraft will be very close to the MD aircraft.

Here is a good page about HSCT studies:
http://users.forthnet.gr/ath/gs/thesis.htm
 
flyf15
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RE: New SST

Fri Dec 04, 1998 10:42 am

Sorry, I meant 1994, not 1992.
 
will
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RE: New SST

Fri Dec 04, 1998 10:57 am

G'day Bryan.
l can't see any new SST A/C being developed in the short term. With the current enconomic crisis in some parts of the world, and Boeing's major investments in there current fleet, l feel that it will be at least another 20 years before we see any further developments. But who knows what the number crunchers at Boeing and other airlines are thinking, they have surprised us before....
As for Concorde.....After major inspections over the years the airframe has shown no signs of wear or corrosion, so the A/C has being given further life to fly well into the next century. The exact figures l do not know. What l believe and we should all expect to see with Concorde in the near future, is that a new engine will be developed and fitted for the A/C. A new engine will give the Concorde a fantastic performance, and a whole new life.
 
Paul
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RE: New SST

Fri Dec 04, 1998 11:09 am

The 1st Test flights of the Boeing Codenamed TU144 are to be made sometime within a year. This means we could see this plane in Commercial Airline Service within 5-10 years. The TU144 is only and refit Tu-144LL, with higher speeds, longer range, and more passengers. Also a higher speed 747 is up on the drawing board, so the 747 with its new engines could reach Mach 1!!!!!!

Paul
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David L
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RE: New SST

Fri Dec 04, 1998 11:38 am

A mach 1 747! Wouldn't that require a whole new wing design. If the
shock wave reaches the wingtips don't they start flying apart? Any
professionals care to comment?

 
Paul
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RE: New SST

Fri Dec 04, 1998 11:57 am

I have close ties to the Boeing Company and own stock in it. Yes, it would but in the next 2 versions of the 747 this is going to happen anyway. The 4 engines will produce about 60,000-75,000 lbs. a piece. The current 747 already goes mach .85. It is possible with new wings that are stronger and more aerodynamic.

Paul
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flyf15
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RE: New SST

Fri Dec 04, 1998 12:08 pm

Paul, I own stock in it also, and I am starting to hate it. I got a lot of mine at $53, and some from the MD merger when they were at $60 something, and now they are around $30-35.
 
BryanG
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RE: New SST

Fri Dec 04, 1998 2:23 pm

Just a note: I heard somewhere that the DC-8 once broke the sound barrier in a shallow dive. It was probably during the test program.
 
Scott
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RE:Hey,flyf15,about your pic

Fri Dec 04, 1998 2:39 pm

In your pic,The building in the background is the distinct sign of LAX.
 
flyf15
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RE: RE:Hey,flyf15,about your pic

Sat Dec 05, 1998 7:34 am

Oh, thanks, I thought it was either LAX or SFO. I have not been to either.
 
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RE: Paul Information?

Sat Dec 05, 1998 9:01 am

Paul, I am a very big 747 fan and have been trying to find out what the new variants are going to look like and their performance will be. Could you tell me how you got you info, and more about it? Also when these new designs are going to be launched.
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
 
Scott
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RE: RE:Hey,flyf15,about your pic

Sat Dec 05, 1998 4:02 pm

If you have Microsoft Flight Simulatos 98,you can see it at LAX.
 
Scott
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RE: RE:Hey,flyf15,about your pic

Sat Dec 05, 1998 4:02 pm

If you have Microsoft Flight Simulator 98,you can see it at LAX.

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