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Continental
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RE: OK

Tue Dec 04, 2001 1:07 pm

Ok, NWA has no money to buy the 777s, 767s, 757s, 737s, etc. Where does all the money come from?? They recently aquired money from the government too you know. The government SAVED NWA. Also, ever lived in MSP? Anyone that likes NWA, don't talk to anyone around here. FA next door says they are NorthWorst, and want to keep cutting her pay for unknown airlines. NWA has left a bad reputation around a lot of the metro area here around MSP. I'm not saying they are bad or anything. NWA may have more money (government assisted) but the service and fleet will never compare to Continental!

Continental
 
9844
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RE: Northwest Buying Continental?

Tue Dec 04, 2001 1:09 pm

Ive taken the time to post the snap shot of 6 different airlines. Starting with the best ending with the worst.
Wake up all of U. with the exception of maybe LUV and CAL there all in trouble...

Please take a pay cut, keep those dividends flowing hahahahaha.



Statistics at a Glance -- NYSE:LUV As of 30-Nov-2001
Price and Volume
52-Week Low
on 17-Sep-2001 $11.25
Recent Price $18.75
52-Week High
on 28-Dec-2000 $23.327
Beta 0.86
Daily Volume (3-month avg) 4.22M
Daily Volume (10-day avg) 2.77M
Stock Performance

big chart [1d | 5d | 3m | 6m | 1y | 2y | 5y | max]
52-Week Change -8.9%
52-Week Change
relative to S&P500 +5.1%
Share-Related Items
Market Capitalization $14.4B
Shares Outstanding 765.3M
Float 581.7M
Dividends & Splits
Annual Dividend (indicated) $0.02
Dividend Yield 0.10%
Last Split: factor 1.5 on 16-Feb-2001
Per-Share Data
Book Value (mrq) $5.16
Earnings (ttm) $0.75
Earnings (mrq) $0.19
Sales (ttm) $7.17
Cash (mrq) $1.95
Valuation Ratios
Price/Book (mrq) 3.63
Price/Earnings (ttm) 25.10
Price/Sales (ttm) 2.62
Income Statements
Sales (ttm) $5.78B
EBITDA (ttm) $1.16B
Income available to common (ttm) $602.3M
Profitability
Profit Margin (ttm) 10.4% <<<Operating Margin (ttm) 14.6% <<<Fiscal Year
Fiscal Year Ends Dec 31
Most recent quarter 30-Sep-2001


Management Effectiveness
Return on Assets (ttm) 8.45% <<<< BEST
Return on Equity (ttm) 16.66% <<<< BEST
Financial Strength
Current Ratio (mrq) 0.91
Debt/Equity (mrq) 0.31 <<<<<Total Cash (mrq) $1.49B


Short Interest
As of 8-Nov-2001
Shares Short 12.0M
Percent of Float 2.1%
Shares Short
(Prior Month) 10.5M
Short Ratio 3.82
Daily Volume 3.14M







Statistics at a Glance -- NYSE:CAL As of 30-Nov-2001
Price and Volume
52-Week Low
on 27-Sep-2001 $12.35
Recent Price $22.98
52-Week High
on 8-Jan-2001 $57.875
Beta 1.55
Daily Volume (3-month avg) 1.84M
Daily Volume (10-day avg) 2.10M
Stock Performance

big chart [1d | 5d | 3m | 6m | 1y | 2y | 5y | max]
52-Week Change -50.0%
52-Week Change
relative to S&P500 -42.3%
Share-Related Items
Market Capitalization $1.27B
Shares Outstanding 55.4M
Float 25.5M
Dividends & Splits
Annual Dividend none
Last Split: factor 2 on 17-July-1996
Per-Share Data
Book Value (mrq) $22.73
Earnings (ttm) $1.66
Earnings (mrq) $0.05
Sales (ttm) $164.06
Cash (mrq) $21.80
Valuation Ratios
Price/Book (mrq) 1.01
Price/Earnings (ttm) 13.86
Price/Sales (ttm) 0.14
Income Statements
Sales (ttm) $9.66B
EBITDA (ttm) $815.0M
Income available to common (ttm) $98.0M
Profitability
Profit Margin (ttm) 1.1%
Operating Margin (ttm) 3.9%
Fiscal Year
Fiscal Year Ends Dec 31
Most recent quarter 30-Sep-2001

Management Effectiveness

Return on Assets (ttm) 1.14% <<<< not good
Return on Equity (ttm) 7.67% <<<< not bad
Financial Strength
Current Ratio (mrq) 0.73
Debt/Equity (mrq) 3.55
Total Cash (mrq) $1.20B


Short Interest
As of 8-Nov-2001
Shares Short 6.36M
Percent of Float 24.9%
Shares Short
(Prior Month) 11.4M
Short Ratio 5.61
Daily Volume 1.13M


Statistics at a Glance -- NYSE:UAL As of 30-Nov-2001

Price and Volume
52-Week Low
on 12-Nov-2001 $9.40
Recent Price $16.87
52-Week High
on 5-Jan-2001 $45.50
Beta 1.34
Daily Volume (3-month avg) 1.61M
Daily Volume (10-day avg) 2.17M
Stock Performance

big chart [1d | 5d | 3m | 6m | 1y | 2y | 5y | max]
52-Week Change -52.6%
52-Week Change
relative to S&P500 -45.2%
Share-Related Items
Market Capitalization $919.4M
Shares Outstanding 54.5M
Float 27.2M
Dividends & Splits

Annual Dividend (indicated) $0.20 <<<<< HUH

Dividend Yield 1.19%
Last Split: factor 4 on 21-May-1996
Per-Share Data
Book Value (mrq) $57.01
Earnings (ttm) -$35.50
Earnings (mrq) -$21.42
Sales (ttm) $337.85
Cash (mrq) $50.33
Valuation Ratios
Price/Book (mrq) 0.30
Price/Earnings N/A
Price/Sales (ttm) 0.05
Income Statements
Sales (ttm) $18.0B
EBITDA (ttm) -$1.94B
Income available to common (ttm) -$1.91B
Profitability
Profit Margin (ttm) -10.5%
Operating Margin (ttm) -16.9%
Fiscal Year
Fiscal Year Ends Dec 31
Most recent quarter 30-Sep-2001

Management Effectiveness
Return on Assets (ttm) -7.72% <<<<< BAD
Return on Equity (ttm) -41.28% <<<<< VERY BAD
Financial Strength
Current Ratio (mrq) 0.67
Debt/Equity (mrq) 2.98
Total Cash (mrq) $2.74B

Short Interest
As of 8-Nov-2001
Shares Short 9.96M
Percent of Float 36.6%
Shares Short
(Prior Month) 6.83M
Short Ratio 6.13
Daily Volume 1.63M



Statistics at a Glance -- NYSE:DAL As of 30-Nov-2001
Price and Volume
52-Week Low
on 17-Sep-2001 $20.00
Recent Price $28.98
52-Week High
on 4-Jan-2001 $52.938
Beta 0.95
Daily Volume (3-month avg) 1.99M
Daily Volume (10-day avg) 1.55M
Stock Performance

big chart [1d | 5d | 3m | 6m | 1y | 2y | 5y | max]
52-Week Change -39.9%
52-Week Change
relative to S&P500 -30.7%
Share-Related Items
Market Capitalization $3.57B
Shares Outstanding 123.2M
Float 82.6M
Dividends & Splits

Annual Dividend (indicated) $0.10 <<<<<
Dividend Yield 0.34%
Last Split: factor 2 on 17-Nov-1998
Per-Share Data
Book Value (mrq) $37.61
Earnings (ttm) $0
Earnings (mrq) -$2.13
Sales N/A
Cash (mrq) $22.64
Valuation Ratios
Price/Book (mrq) 0.77
Price/Earnings N/A
Price/Sales N/A
Income Statements
Sales (ttm) $0
EBITDA N/A
Income available to common (ttm) $0
Profitability
Profit Margin N/A
Operating Margin N/A
Fiscal Year
Fiscal Year Ends Dec 31
Most recent quarter 30-Sep-2001

Management Effectiveness
Return on Assets (ttm) 0.00% <<<<<<< ??
Return on Equity (ttm) 0.00% <<<<<<< ??
Financial Strength
Current Ratio (mrq) 0.59
Debt/Equity (mrq) 1.96
Total Cash (mrq) $2.79B


Short Interest
As of 8-Nov-2001
Shares Short 4.29M
Percent of Float 5.2%
Shares Short
(Prior Month) 5.69M
Short Ratio 2.60
Daily Volume



Statistics at a Glance -- NYSE:AMR As of 30-Nov-2001

Price and Volume
52-Week Low
on 12-Nov-2001 $15.40
Recent Price $21.36
52-Week High
on 5-Jan-2001 $43.938
Beta 0.94
Daily Volume (3-month avg) 2.31M
Daily Volume (10-day avg) 2.39M
Stock Performance

big chart [1d | 5d | 3m | 6m | 1y | 2y | 5y | max]
52-Week Change -36.8%
52-Week Change
relative to S&P500 -27.1%
Share-Related Items
Market Capitalization $3.30B
Shares Outstanding 154.5M
Float 98.9M
Dividends & Splits
Annual Dividend none
Last Split: factor 2 on 10-June-1998
Per-Share Data
Book Value (mrq) $40.34
Earnings (ttm) -$5.97
Earnings (mrq) -$2.69
Sales (ttm) $128.32
Cash (mrq) $15.15
Valuation Ratios
Price/Book (mrq) 0.53
Price/Earnings N/A
Price/Sales (ttm) 0.17
Income Statements
Sales (ttm) $20.0B
EBITDA (ttm) $125.0M
Income available to common (ttm) -$917.0M
Profitability
Profit Margin (ttm) -4.6%
Operating Margin (ttm) -6.1%
Fiscal Year
Fiscal Year Ends Dec 31
Most recent quarter 30-Sep-2001


Management Effectiveness
Return on Assets (ttm) -3.29% <<<<Return on Equity (ttm) -13.30% <<<<Financial Strength
Current Ratio (mrq) 0.75
Debt/Equity (mrq) 1.42
Total Cash (mrq) $2.34B


Short Interest
As of 8-Nov-2001
Shares Short 2.53M
Percent of Float 2.6%
Shares Short
(Prior Month) 2.38M
Short Ratio 1.37
Daily Volume 1.84M



Statistics at a Glance -- NasdaqNM:NWAC As of 30-Nov-2001

Price and Volume
52-Week Low
on 21-Sep-2001 $9.04
Recent Price $17.92
52-Week High
on 8-Jan-2001 $33.063
Beta 1.16
Daily Volume (3-month avg) 895.7K
Daily Volume (10-day avg) 828.0K
Stock Performance

big chart [1d | 5d | 3m | 6m | 1y | 2y | 5y | max]
52-Week Change -28.0%
52-Week Change
relative to S&P500 -16.8%
Share-Related Items
Market Capitalization $1.53B
Shares Outstanding 85.3M
Float 41.8M
Dividends & Splits
Annual Dividend none
Last Split none
Per-Share Data
Book Value (mrq) $0.15
Earnings (ttm) -$3.34
Earnings (mrq) $0.21
Sales (ttm) $125.92
Cash (mrq) $33.93
Valuation Ratios
Price/Book (mrq) 117.58
Price/Earnings N/A
Price/Sales (ttm) 0.14
Income Statements
Sales (ttm) $10.8B
EBITDA (ttm) $220.0M
Income available to common (ttm) -$277.0M
Profitability
Profit Margin (ttm) -2.6%
Operating Margin (ttm) -4.3%
Fiscal Year
Fiscal Year Ends Dec 31
Most recent quarter 30-Sep-2001


Management Effectiveness
Return on Assets (ttm) -2.35% <<<< BAD
Return on Equity (ttm) -185.66% <<<< VERY BAD!!!
Financial Strength
Current Ratio (mrq) 0.95
Debt/Equity (mrq) 424.31 <<<<<Total Cash (mrq) $2.89B


Short Interest
As of 8-Nov-2001
Shares Short 2.91M
Percent of Float 7.0%
Shares Short
(Prior Month) 2.17M
Short Ratio 3.97
Daily Volume 733.0K

Sooo u See NWA UAL U are in trouble. Click on the link below for complete numbers. Why are airlines still paying dividends..???? hahhahaha


http://biz.yahoo.com/p/airlinconameu.html
 
azjubilee
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RE: OK

Tue Dec 04, 2001 1:30 pm

Uh... what are you talking about? NW has invested heavily in its fleet. They're adding new 757s, 320s and 319s to their fleet presently. They've ordered widebody airbbusses to replace the DC10's accross the Atlantic, are adding new 747s to their fleet, adding new regional jets to their regional flying affiliates. So, you can't say NW isn't working on their fleet. They also OWN more airplanes than any of the other majors do... like Continental. YOu know why CO is in such a bad shape? Because when they park those nice shiney new leased planes? They still have to pay for them! All the majors have been assisted by the government since 9/11... Even before 9/11 NW was cutting costs and turned a profit for the summer and would have for the third quarter had 9/11 not happened. YOu may have had bad experiences on NW in the past, but I know that NW isn't the only airline that makes mistakes. YOu're just as likely to have delays on another airline. The facts prove that you're disillusioned with the financial state of the airline. Ever heard of the saying... the grass is always greenr on the other side? Well, NW employees that have their jobs should be thankful they work for NW and not USAir or America WEst or any other airline on the brink of folding. Also, your neighbor friend that is getting her pay cut for unknown reasons?? No NW contract group took concessions since 9/11 and does she not see what's happening to the industry?? Get all the facts first, then fire away. I respect your opinions, even though I believe they're not based on facts or logical thought process. Don't take this personally either... just defending the facts is all.

AZJ

 
9844
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RE: Northwest Buying Continental?

Tue Dec 04, 2001 2:04 pm

Azjubilee

Dude the bottome line is return on assest's.

Unlike Gordon Bethune who lately has been the most vocal in getting the government to act, weather it be 9/11 assistance or against the AA/BA. Most of these CEO's have been hapless. Sure NWA is taking orders for new a/c { ill take your word for it} and god willing they will have 5 or 6 different fleet types plus the cost of training and inventory for those unlike fleets. etc etc . There's effeciancy there.

Just look at the debt/equity, return on assest's, price to book, check the debt rating. They all stink with the exception of South West.

Add to that its a commodity business we anemic economy, Trouble ahead. I think price regulation may be needed or allow airlines to merge. Otherwise the BOOM BUST industry will continue the cycle..
 
azjubilee
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RE: Northwest Buying Continental?

Tue Dec 04, 2001 2:40 pm

Ok, I'm not an economist. Just a pilot in this industry. YOu don't have to take my word for it... get the information yourself. I understand the point you're trying to make. I was just counter arguing people here on the thread that are thinking even more simplistic than I am. I don't doubt your data or knowlege, I'm just forming rebuttle based on the information I have.

AZJ
 
9844
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RE: Northwest Buying Continental?

Tue Dec 04, 2001 3:44 pm

AZJ

The debate is healthy. I think if the airline company {any} keeps the business model as simple as possable. Then they can grow/contract when needed. Its a tricky thing to do.Leasing does give u that mobility IF its in the lease agreement. IE monthly or quarterly. Id like to say we dont need all gov. regulation but with expamples like Value Jet IE god rest there souls. The jury is in with that one.

Look at US AIR business model It reminds me of the Lorenzo day's with CAL
 
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AZJ

Tue Dec 04, 2001 4:21 pm

Hey AZJ. Who are you a pilot for and what do you fly? I am looking into a career as a pilot.

-Dmitry.
 
bobnwa
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RE: AZJ

Tue Dec 04, 2001 11:40 pm

Continental,
Do you have any facts to back up what you are saying.
1. NW went into debt to buy Republic?
2. NW flight attendants are taking paycuts?
3. NW is (has) recieved government help?(Other than payments after 9/11 which all airlines received.?

Just about everything you say is wrong. Please give facts.
 
Rhino4ever
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RE: Northwest Buying Continental?

Wed Dec 05, 2001 12:23 am

What are you talking about CONTINENTAL??? Nwa flight attendants are 2nd best paid in the industry. Their mechanics are the best paid and rightfully so. Their employees stayed together to help the company after the Gulf War to get profitable again. The loans from the state created many jobs and the loans were paid back early. Continental would LOVE to have the pay and benifits of NWA. It was CONTINENTAL who was bailed out using bankruptcy all those years. Many of their pilots crossed picket lines and are scabs. Hired anybody that would go there. It was Bethune who was first and most vocal about the government bailout because he was so low on cash at the time of 9-11. He took the government bailout also. Read some history books on the industry.
 
favre
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RE: Northwest Buying Continental?

Wed Dec 05, 2001 12:25 am

correction--latest delivery was a320 a/c 3272 on nov 30th....this debate is over whether or not nwa is buying co..NO airline has the capitial at this time to make a buyout/merger until the economy rebounds..there maybe chatter but thats it..
BAE 146 ARJ CV-580 YS-11 SH360 DASH8 SAAB340 EMB 120-135-145-175 DC9/10/30/40/50 MD80/90 DC10 717 727 737 747 757 767 77
 
akelley728
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RE: Northwest Buying Continental?

Wed Dec 05, 2001 1:07 am

Continental: You are completely crazy. Your statement: "Ok, NWA has no money to buy the 777s, 767s, 757s, 737s, etc." is completely groundless.

Instead of buying 777s, they are buying new 747-400s. Instead of 767s, they are buying A330s. As for 757s, they have a substantial order for new 757-300s. Instead of 737s, they are buying new A319s and A320s, two examples were delivered just a week ago.

As for your other statement: "Why are there still DC-9s, DC-10s?" The DC-10s are being replaced by the order for A330s and 757-300s. The DC-10s will all be gone in the next few years. As for the DC-9s, they just spend millions of dollars refurbishing them with new interiors, hushkits, and interior noise dampening equipment (from the inside I can't tell the difference between a 717 and a NW DC-9!).


 
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AlaskaAir

Wed Dec 05, 2001 7:17 am

I fly the Avro RJ85 for Mesaba based in Memphis.



AZJ
 
2cn
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RE: Northwest Buying Continental?

Wed Dec 05, 2001 7:45 am

9844 said-
Ive taken the time to post the snap shot of 6 different airlines. Starting with the best ending with the worst.
Wake up all of U. with the exception of maybe LUV and CAL there all in trouble...


Actually, SW isnt that well off.. all the cash that they have, isn't really theirs.. as it was pointed out in another post on this site, one thing that isnt publicized by SW is that they went out and maxed out their credit... took every loan they could get. This is how they currently have avoided layoffs. They will be in big trouble when it comes time to repay the loans.
 
Guest

RE: Northwest Buying Continental?

Wed Dec 05, 2001 8:10 am

9844: An airline's stock price has nothing to do with how the airline is really doing.
 
UA_727
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How Much?

Wed Dec 05, 2001 8:22 am

I thought that Northwest only had a 7% stake in Continental. That was supposed to be the hinderence Delta encountered when considering a takeover of Continental in retort to AA-TWA. Because of Northwest's 7% investment in Continental, it gave them the veto power to reject the Delta takeover, therefore, Continental would actually have to buy Delta to consolidate. It's been a while, but I just thought that I remembered reading this in the Wall Street Journal...
"AW - I'm on Board..."
 
Continental
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RE: AZJ

Wed Dec 05, 2001 8:37 am

OK BOBNWA. If the news here is giving me crap, then I'm wrong, if not, NWA has been saved years back by the government!

Continental
 
Rhino4ever
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RE: Northwest Buying Continental?

Wed Dec 05, 2001 9:24 am

Still waiting to hear a fact from you CONTINENTAL. When was NWA bailed out by anyone? Continental has used bankruptcy protection to survive, and while having some of the lowest wages and benefits at that time.
 
azjubilee
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RE: AZJ

Wed Dec 05, 2001 9:32 am

You have got to realize that the Star Tribune would take any chance to flame Northwest. I have many outrageous quotes and blurbs from the media and how innacurate they are. The media loves to harass the airline industry. Do you believe everything you hear or read on the news? I sure hope not.

Nobody is denying the fact that NW received government assistance post 9/11. So did all the other airlines. It was also mentioned by me and BobNwa that they received gov't money from the State, yet PAYED IT BACK.

Again... get your facts straight and get a new dealer.


AZJ
 
Continental
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RE: AZJ

Wed Dec 05, 2001 11:04 am

Eh, i quit.
 
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RE: AZJ

Wed Dec 05, 2001 11:04 am

AZJ,
Don't worry man, we all know who to believe in this situation. Let's see an industry pilot who knows the inside info and provides very factual info and opinions on here vs. a 13-15 year old. Wow, what a tough choice.
I normally won't post in merger threads because they are all so stupid. Get your head out of the pipe dream whoever thinks something like this will happen. Number #1 look at the cash flow of airlines currently, that says enough right there. #2 Not all airlines want to become the largest and have aspirations of merger. #3 Codeshare is much more feasible.
 
azjubilee
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Psu_dtw_sce

Wed Dec 05, 2001 12:09 pm

Thanks for the support dude... I just try to set the record straight and put out the crazy thread flare ups here. I don't care if people believe me... I just call it as I see it.

Incidently, how was your trip back to SCE? XJ pull through for ya?


AZJ
 
Gnomon
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NW And CO - The Facts

Wed Dec 05, 2001 12:56 pm

The NW and CO bashing aside, let's look at the specifics. NW's ability to acquire CO would be determined by its debt rating, and by CO's debt rating, which determines the amount of debt the acquiring party (NW) can successfully tackle. I'm using the latest debt information published by Moody's, on Nov 28, 2001. These data, to my knowledge, take into consideration loans and other financing secured post-9/11.

CONTINENTAL has two lines of credit. One is for term loan A, which matures on 7/31/02, for $275 million. The other is for term loan B, which matures on 7/31/04, for $75 million. For both of those lines of credit, Continental's debt rating is Ba3. Both Ba3 ratings carry the possibility of being downgraded soon.

NORTHWEST has a revolving line of credit for $725 million, one that matures on 10/24/05. Its debt rating is Ba3, as well, and also carries the risk of an imminent downgrade.

So it's clear that Northwest, despite having much less tangible equity, and abyssal return on assets, has a decent line of credit. Regardless of which carrier has been the government's "baby" (give me a fricking break, whoever said that earlier), and regardless of which carrier has been placed under bankruptcy protection, it looks like Northwest's debt rating and revolving line of credit are healthy enough to sustain some kind of acquisition.

And since CO's market capitalization is relatively low, I could see the acquisition happening. But, just my own $0.02, I don't think it would. NW needs to focus on improving its return on assets and equity; the last thing it needs to do is go into debt by acquiring a large carrier like CO, with a different cost structure, and tackle all the problems like staff reductions, etc., that always come along with mergers.

NW should make the most of its tolerable financial situation without pursuing added debt. It's one airline that's on thin ice right now; one slip-up, and it could easily be submerged. I don't care about whether or not NW is a "good" airline -- you just can't argue with the numbers.
 
azjubilee
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RE: NW And CO - The Facts

Wed Dec 05, 2001 2:17 pm

Well said... and you also can't argue with the business plans of both airlines. They won't merge because there is no need for that. They get all the benefits of a merge without it and none of the negatives.

There was no bashing by the way... just discussion.

AZJ
 
9844
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RE: Northwest Buying Continental?

Wed Dec 05, 2001 2:19 pm

NW-ELITE said:
An airline's stock price has nothing to do with how the airline is really doing. I beg to differ, the share price of a company represents it's fair value, what the investing public think the company is doing..
 
Rhino4ever
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RE: Northwest Buying Continental?

Thu Dec 06, 2001 12:22 am

An alliance is a much better buisiness plan vs. mergers. As the NWA/KLM alliance adds Continental and it becomes fully integrated, you get about 80-85% of a merger for about 10-20% of the cost of a buyout. And NWA got most of that cash back when they sold their stock back to CAL and they still retain veto power of any CAL acquisition. Pretty good thinking on mangements part starting with the NWA/KLM alliance over 10 years ago...
 
Guest

RE: AZJ

Thu Dec 06, 2001 11:33 am

Yup, good old XJ pulled through like they always do. Good trip, good flight, and very enjoyable. Mesaba runs a good operation. Plus, you got to like those Saab's.
 
nwa747-400
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RE: Northwest Buying Continental?

Thu Dec 06, 2001 11:52 am

When the fleet renewal is complete NW will operate:
1. 747-200/400
2. A330-300
3. 757-200/300
4. A319/A320
The DC9s will be replaced eventually and I think it will be with A318s making the total types 4 in the fleet.
5. DC9-30/40/50

That is a relatively few # of types

AA:
727-200
737-800
MD80
F100
757-200
MD11
777
767-200/300

UA:
737
A319/A320
757
767
777
747

CO:
737
MD80
757
767
777

DL:
727
737
757
767
777
MD11
MD80
MD90

 
azjubilee
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Psu_dtw_sce

Thu Dec 06, 2001 12:30 pm

Glad you enjoyed the flight. We really do try to be the best regional out there. I know we have the operational exellence to show for it too. You will see the Saab for a looooong time to come operating in the red tails for NW. I'm looking forward to saab captain someday in the future.



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RE: Northwest Buying Continental?

Thu Dec 06, 2001 12:31 pm

I agree HlywdCatft that NW is better off buying US Airways because they have almost identical fleets. About the US Airways GE CF6 powered 767-200s, I think they should go in favor of new A330-200s with P&W 4000 series engines like on their current fleets of A330-300s. They both have CFM56 engines on their A319s & A320s and also on the US Airways A321s. After this merger, NW should make a deal with American and trade the US Airways RR RB211 powered 757-200s for the TWA P&W 2000 powered 757-200s.
 
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Northwest Did Not "own" KLM ...

Thu Dec 13, 2001 12:35 am

KLM "owned" Northwest.

http://www.nwa.com/lb/corpinfo/newsc/reprintatw.shtml
"Despite the discord that led KLM to agree to divest its financial interest in Northwest last year, the investment has been a good one for the Dutch airline. Northwest will pay KLM $1.1 billion over the next three years to buy back its 19% stake."
http://money.cnn.com/1999/05/04/europe/klm/

But that is not the point ; good personal & business relations make an alliance work, not "owning" each other.

A "feed on the ground" look on investments and cost levels also helps ...

I trust NWA and Continental will also strike a good deal, they are both very good airlines in their own way ...
"Never mistake motion for action." Ernest Hemingway
 
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RE: AlaskaAir

Thu Dec 13, 2001 3:26 am

AZJ, if you could, e-mail me please: [email protected] . I have a few questions about pilot training.

Waiting for your reply,

-Dmitry.

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