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Crossair B-777?

Sat Jan 05, 2002 3:20 am

I heard that Crossair is evaluating the 343 and the 772.
I hope they go for the 772, but is there a chance for the 777? No comonality etc....
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RE: Crossair B-777?

Sat Jan 05, 2002 3:32 am

a 777 would be great but you know crossair will go with the airbuses
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RE: Crossair B-777?

Sat Jan 05, 2002 3:42 am

Swissair ruled out the B772, amongst others because of the fact, that, in case of a engine failure during take off on rwy 16 - the main rwy for starts with heavies at ZRH - , the B772 couldn't climb as required. I was told so about 2 years ago by a SR employees.

Add to that, that the B777 would cost a fortune to introduce: no commonality, no pilots so far, no infrastructure for Boeings and so on.

Last but not least, Crossair has only the A343 in the business plan, not any Boeing.

As a personal note: I hope, they go for the A340.

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RE: Crossair B-777?

Sat Jan 05, 2002 4:28 am

I think like Swissair and most other European Airlines they will opt for the A340.
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RE: Crossair B-777?

Sat Jan 05, 2002 6:08 am


You say there is no way they will go for the Tripple Seven, or any Boeing for that matter. You say there is a problem with the 777's climbing ability, so I suspect that eliminates the A330 also, if your information is correct. Since you seem to know that they only have the A343 in their business plan, why the statement I HOPE THEY GO FOR THE A340? Where in does your doubt lie?

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RE: Crossair B-777?

Sat Jan 05, 2002 6:37 am

That info about the climbing rates with one engine "switched off" out of ZRH's RW16 is correct. I got that information from a former SR 747 pilot years ago, when the A340-600 order had been placed.


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RE: Crossair B-777?

Sat Jan 05, 2002 6:42 am

The Crossair business plan has no new long haul aircraft coming into the fleet for many years.

The long haul fleet will decrease over 2001 (pre 9-11).

The business plan makes excellent reading and is available here:

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RE: Crossair B-777?

Sat Jan 05, 2002 7:02 am


The report you mention covered the competition that SR held at the time between the A340-600 and the 777-300X, the forerunner to today's 777-300ER. Indeed, with the -300X configuration Boeing was offering at the time, it would have had terrible take-off performance, and with an engine out, I could easily believe it wouldn't make it out of ZRH in one piece.

However, as I'm sure you know, that is old news. Boeing beefed up the -300X to make it the -300ER, slightly increasing the MTOW, but more importantly, going from the original spec 105K engines to the current 115K. They also added raked winglets, which further, although much less significantly, aid T.O. performance.

All that is rather beside the point, however, as this competion is between the A340-300 and the 777-200ER, which would have had no problems in the first place (at least, no more than the A330-200, which seems to have no problems negotiating ZRH). That being said, I can foresee no circumstances that would have Crossair choosing the 777 over the A340. As you said, there is no infrastructure at all to support the Boeing, as well as a lack of commonality. The only way they would go with the big twin would be if the price was too good to pass up. However, with a severe lack of demand for the A340, I doubt Boeing will be able to match Airbus' price, let alone beat it, especially in today's environment.


P.S. - Would be nice to see a 777 in Crossair's colors though - that would be a good looking bird.
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RE: Crossair B-777?

Sat Jan 05, 2002 8:05 am

I'm kind of split on the issue. I would think that the smart choice for Crossair would be the A340 because of commonality. I can't see them getting the 777. I don't know which one I would WANT them to get though. I really like both Boeing and Airbus, so it's not an issue for me of favoring one company over the other. The A343 is my favorite plane, so I would love to see that. I also really like the 777 and I would love to see Boeing get a sale in Europe, something that is not so common in most of Europe. Either way, I would be thrilled, so now I guess we just wait and see.
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RE: Crossair B-777?

Sat Jan 05, 2002 8:45 am

I believe SR would go for the A340, but in my personal opinion, I hope to see the B777.

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RE: Crossair B-777?

Sat Jan 05, 2002 10:21 am

Airlines that go for the A340 over the 777 always meet a unfourtunate end. It is a bad omen to buy the A340.
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RE: Crossair B-777?

Sat Jan 05, 2002 10:35 pm

>Airlines that go for the A340 over the 777 always
>meet a unfourtunate end. It is a bad omen to buy
>the A340.

Never heard such a nonsense... are you looking forward to see Lufthansa, Cathay, China, Iberia, TAP, Air Canada, Virgin and all the other A340 operators meeting an unfortunate end?

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