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The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:12 am

Source: http://paineairport.com/images/fl201606_16.jpg

The line of stored 787s on runway 11/29 that has been a staple of Paine Field for the last 5+ years (and an embarrassing reminder of how incompetent Boeing management was during the early years of the 787 program) has finally been expunged. All the terrible teens are at least being reworked. It's quite an occasion and I think worthy of some acknowledgment!

Out of the 11 787s classified as terrible teens (which included line 22 because it was overweight, unfinished, rejected by original the customer, and stored for years like the rest of them):
  • 1 is delivered and in passenger service (line 22)
  • 1 is delivered to VIP outfitting (line 11)
  • 1 is awaiting customer acceptance flights and delivery (line 12)
  • 1 is in paint in Victorville (line 14)
  • 1 is preparing for first flight (line 13)
  • 6 are in various stages of rework (lines 10, 15, 16, 17, 18, and 19)
 
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Re: The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:23 am

It is certainly an accomplishment.
I was kind of holding out hope that they'd sit and rot for another fifteen years or so, and then I could convince BCA that they should donate it to my front lawn. You know, tax writeoff.
I'm still surprised that Ethiopian was willing to accept a mixed-engine fleet. Sure they'll have Rollers on the A350, but that's a different family of engines, with (I'm guessing) only limited commonality.
 
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Re: The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:14 am

Who are the units destined for?
 
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Re: The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:03 am

line 22 = in svc with Air Austral
line 14 = to be with Ethiopian Airlines
line 13 = to be with Ethiopian Airlines
line 12 = to be with Ethiopian Airlines
line 11 = to be Gvmt of S Korea
line 10 = to be with Ethiopian Airlines

the others here :
https://www.planespotters.net/production-list/Boeing/787
 
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Re: The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:20 pm

What is/was the status of the model at the Museum of Flight, and others before the terrible teens.
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Re: The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:34 pm

frmrCapCadet wrote:
What is/was the status of the model at the Museum of Flight, and others before the terrible teens.


LN001 is at Centrair Airport in Nagoya, Japan
LN002 is at the Pima Aerospace Museum
LN003 is at the Museum of Flight
LN004 is performing testing for Boeing and may be re-sold as a 787 VIP.
LN005 is owned by Boeing, but expected to be re-sold as a 787 VIP
LN006 is the Presidential Transport for the United Mexican States
LN007 is operated by ANA
LN008 is operated by ANA
LN009 is operated by ANA
LN010 will be operated by Ethiopian
 
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Re: The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:08 pm

Have their engines just been sitting there getting no time? Will they require PIP?
 
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Re: The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:53 pm

I personally am having trouble celebrating as so few have been delivered. While it is good news the production has smoothed out that these airframes now have spots on Boeing property, we're not really denting the terrible teen backlog.

A year from now, we can celebrate.

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Re: The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:15 pm

Flighty wrote:
Have their engines just been sitting there getting no time? Will they require PIP?


They've all been engineless during storage, right up until preparing for first flight.
 
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Re: The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:42 pm

AA737-823 wrote:
I'm still surprised that Ethiopian was willing to accept a mixed-engine fleet. Sure they'll have Rollers on the A350, but that's a different family of engines, with (I'm guessing) only limited commonality.


I thought one of the innovative things about the 787 was the common engine interface that allowed engines from either manufacturer to be installed even after the plane was built. Couldn't Ethiopian just swap the RR engines with GE ones?
 
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Re: The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:20 pm

Engines aren't parts being supplied by Boeing. Each airline get their individual contract for engines. Ethiopian choosed GE for their original B787-8 fleet and that order both for frames and engines was fulfilled with delivery of last frame. Order for terrible teens was new deal, so engine suppliers offered their engines and maintenance deals to Ethiopian again. RR probably gave sweeter deal, so Ethiopian ordered Trent-1000s for new 787-8 order. Cost of changing pylons isn't big and it wouldn't be another cost addition on Ethiopian side but on Boeing re-work bill. And these pylons could be easly sold as spare parts or even used for new RR frame.
 
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Re: The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:53 pm

AA737-823 wrote:
I'm still surprised that Ethiopian was willing to accept a mixed-engine fleet. Sure they'll have Rollers on the A350, but that's a different family of engines, with (I'm guessing) only limited commonality.


I expect they are on an RR TotalCare contract (I imagine it is the same for their Trent XWBs on the A350s) so RR handles all the spares and maintenance. As such, commonality doesn't matter as Ethiopian won't need to do anything for those engines.
 
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Re: The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:31 am

Do we know to what degree the original Boeing "take the delivered assemblies and snap them together" concept has actually been realized, now that the supply chain and quality issues are smoothing out?
 
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Re: The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:54 am

Chemist wrote:
Do we know to what degree the original Boeing "take the delivered assemblies and snap them together" concept has actually been realized, now that the supply chain and quality issues are smoothing out?


It seems to be working generally well considering how quickly they pump them out. :)
 
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Re: The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:40 am

Chemist wrote:
Do we know to what degree the original Boeing "take the delivered assemblies and snap them together" concept has actually been realized, now that the supply chain and quality issues are smoothing out?


The original plan was 3 days in final assy. Looking at all things 787 the average is 31 days for 2016, with one plane down to 19.

If you add up the days for final assy, pre-flight testing, and pre-delivery testing the average is 88 days.
 
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Re: The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:29 am

ADent wrote:
The original plan was 3 days in final assy. Looking at all things 787 the average is 31 days for 2016, with one plane down to 19.

I don't think the plan was ever three days in final assembly, I think the goal was one plane emerges every 3 days or roughly 10/month. In networking terms, you're mixing up bandwidth (rate) with latency (delay).

I also think that plan did not include CHS.

I think the goal for time in FAL was 12 days which compares to your 19 day current status.
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Re: The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:43 pm

Will they reopen that runway now?
 
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Re: The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:09 pm

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Will they reopen that runway now?


The plan last year was to have it reopened by July 2015 I believe, but that got extended for a year or two. I think the current plan is to have the runway back in service by fall 2016.
 
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Re: The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:21 pm

Here is a pic of your truly 20 pound overweight with 3 overweight derailments back in 2012 (sep) Congrats to Boeing to finish this very embarrassing instances.

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Re: The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:56 am

Worth noting that Boeing still has one test 787 frame (LN 5, rumored to be destined for an unknown BBJ customer) in storage... just not on 11/29. It had been moved to the EMC a few weeks ago but has now been moved to the South Ramp without much, if any, work getting done in the meantime.
 
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Re: The infamous "Stored 787/Terrible Teen Row" is gone at Paine Field

Tue Jun 21, 2016 4:25 am

Stitch wrote:
I expect they are on an RR TotalCare contract (I imagine it is the same for their Trent XWBs on the A350s) so RR handles all the spares and maintenance. As such, commonality doesn't matter as Ethiopian won't need to do anything for those engines.

I suspect that is why Ethiopian switched. I wouldn't be surprised if Ethiopian accepted original engines and a maintenance package that upgrades them significantly at overhaul. A win-win. RR looses less money on the 'terrible teen' engines and Ethiopian pays less for the engines and the TotalCare package.

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