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AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Tue Jun 21, 2016 5:29 pm

No official word yet, but the flights have been zeroed out. One more airline that leaves Venezuela.

Just last week news broke out that AM's head of security at CCS was busted on drug trafficking charges along with several members of the Venezuelan national guard. They were caught working alongside loading cocaine on AM flights from CCS to MEX.

Very sad what is happening to Venezuela.
 
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:29 pm

This is terrible. I wonder hoy many kilos had already been smuggled before they were caught.

Venezuela is quickly becoming isolated. I fear for the worst.
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:35 pm

A failed state that is corrupt to the core. It isn't the first time that Venezuela's National Guard has used a commercial airline's flight to ship cocaine: http://loyaltylobby.com/2013/09/23/air- ... aine-bust/
 
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:04 pm

WOW this is sad... Aeromexico was a good option for Venezuelans traveling to the West Coast
 
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:13 pm

Who is left? Anyone have a list?
 
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:20 pm

Please correct me if I am wrong. I believe that Aeromexico received a payment from the Venezuelan Government for withheld funds. Most other airlines did not. With less airlines, those few remaining are more subject to drug trafficking. I don't blame AM for bailing.
 
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:46 pm

United787 wrote:
Who is left? Anyone have a list?

Airlines still selling international flights to Venezuela in November:

Tiara air (Aruba)
Insel Air (Curaçao)
American Airlines
Air France
Aruba Airlines
Aeromexico (so far)
Aerolineas Argentinas
Avianca
Caribbean Airlines
COPA
Cubana
Delta
TAME (Ecuador)
Iberia
TAP
United
Air Europa
 
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:02 pm

Who wants to bet TP and UX will be next to leave?
 
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:16 pm

DL is down to one weekly ATL-CCS flight. I wonder how much longer that will last.
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:27 pm

American will end flights in December. And apparently, they found cocaine on an Air France flight too. Air France definitely won't be in that market much longer.

http://www.janes.com/article/61614/coca ... rafficking
 
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:50 am

Caracas has only 87 flights scheduled for today (this includes domestic flights).

If I look to next weeks timetable, there are the following international flights:

- Aruba (24 flights with Aserca, Laser, Avior)
- Atlanta (1 flight with Delta)
- Bogota (31 flights with Copa, TAME, Avianca, Conviasa)
- Buenos Aires EZE (8 flights with Aerolineas Argentinas, Conviasa)
- Curacao: (24 flights with Insel Air, Avior, Avior Regional, Rutaca, Aserca)
- Fort Lauderdale (4 flights with Dynamic International)
- Guayaquil (7 flights with Conviasa and LATAM)
- Havana (14 flights with Conviasa, Cubana, Aerolineas Argentinas)
- Houston IAH (5 flights with United)
- Lima (7 flights with Avianca, LATAM)
- Lisbon (3 flights with TAP)
- Madrid (8 flights with Iberia, Conviasa, Air Europa)
- Mexico City (7 flights with AeroMéxico)
- Miami (35 flights with SBA Airlines, American Airlines)
- New York JFK (2 flights with Dynamic International)
- Panama (54 flights with Copa, Avior, Conviasa, Laser, SBA Airlines)
- Paris CDG (5 flights with Air France)
- Port of Spain (3 flights with Caribbean Airlines)
- Punta Cana (4 flights with Rutaca, Aerolineas Argentinas)
- Quito (5 flights with TAME, but via Bogota)
- Santiago de Chile (1 flight with LATAM, but via Guayaquil)
- Santo Domingo (26 flights with Aserca, Laser)
 
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:05 pm

The official word is that AM flights to CCS are temporarily suspended
 
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:10 pm

EddieDude wrote:
DL is down to one weekly ATL-CCS flight. I wonder how much longer that will last.


DL has been operating one weekly flight only since august 2014.

hayzel777 wrote:
American will end flights in December. And apparently, they found cocaine on an Air France flight too. Air France definitely won't be in that market much longer.


The AF drug issue was in 2013. Who said that AA is ending flights in December?

Rumor has it that the next one leaving is IB in September.
 
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:16 pm

This is admittedly a sidebar from the original topic, but what's the latest on the security situation for crews when they overnight at CCS? I know DL's flight arrives in the evening and departs the next morning, for example.

I can't imagine that CCS is a destination that would go particularly senior, that's for sure.
 
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:21 pm

EddieDude wrote:
Venezuela is quickly becoming isolated.

Isolated by economic powers eager to tap the world’s largest oil reserves. An overwhelming majority of Latin American and Caribbean nations defeated not one, but two of the most recent public relations stunts aimed at supporting the right-wing opposition's (and U.S.) current efforts at regime change in Venezuela. Be skeptical of the distorted narrative reported daily in mainstream media.

planeguy wrote:
A failed state that is corrupt to the core.

If your definition of a 'failed state' includes things like corruption, lack of accountability and unwillingness to adequately assure the provision of security and basic services to significant portions of the population, could the U.S. and several other so-called developed countries be exempted from being labeled as such? President Maduro recently said "problemas tenemos todos, que lance la primera piedra quien no tenga alguna complicación, algún problema de carácter social, político, económico" — all countries have problems, let the one who does not have any social, political or economic problems throw the first stone.
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:16 pm

EddieDude wrote:
DL is down to one weekly ATL-CCS flight. I wonder how much longer that will last.

As someone pointed out earlier, DL converted its daily ATL-CCS flight to a single weekend operation almost two years ago.

Oh! the hypocrisy of it all. AA, AM and CM have reduced flights to Brazil recently. G3 and JJ are both making deeper capacity cuts. KE and SQ are pulling out of Brazil entirely. Yet I don't see anyone here turning it into a political debate, or referring to that country as a 'failed state', despite the recent legislative coup there which placed a right-wing unelected government in power.
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:25 pm

viaggiare wrote:
EddieDude wrote:
DL is down to one weekly ATL-CCS flight. I wonder how much longer that will last.

As someone pointed out earlier, DL converted its daily ATL-CCS flight to a single weekend operation almost two years ago.

Oh! the hypocrisy of it all. AA, AM and CM have reduced flights to Brazil recently. G3 and JJ are both making deeper capacity cuts. KE and SQ are pulling out of Brazil entirely. Yet I don't see anyone here turning it into a political debate, or referring to that country as a 'failed state', despite the recent legislative coup there which placed a right-wing unelected government in power.


Last I checked, there are no reports of empty stores or rampant looting in Brazil. Despite the political turmoil and economic recession, basic services are still operating in Brazil.
 
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:27 pm

hoya wrote:
viaggiare wrote:
EddieDude wrote:
DL is down to one weekly ATL-CCS flight. I wonder how much longer that will last.

As someone pointed out earlier, DL converted its daily ATL-CCS flight to a single weekend operation almost two years ago.

Oh! the hypocrisy of it all. AA, AM and CM have reduced flights to Brazil recently. G3 and JJ are both making deeper capacity cuts. KE and SQ are pulling out of Brazil entirely. Yet I don't see anyone here turning it into a political debate, or referring to that country as a 'failed state', despite the recent legislative coup there which placed a right-wing unelected government in power.


Last I checked, there are no reports of empty stores or rampant looting in Brazil. Despite the political turmoil and economic recession, basic services are still operating in Brazil.


Brazilian president isn't threatening carriers who left neither. Not to mention they let foreign carriers actually make money if possible.
 
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:08 pm

viaggiare wrote:
EddieDude wrote:
Venezuela is quickly becoming isolated.

Isolated by economic powers eager to tap the world’s largest oil reserves. An overwhelming majority of Latin American and Caribbean nations defeated not one, but two of the most recent public relations stunts aimed at supporting the right-wing opposition's (and U.S.) current efforts at regime change in Venezuela. Be skeptical of the distorted narrative reported daily in mainstream media.

planeguy wrote:
A failed state that is corrupt to the core.

If your definition of a 'failed state' includes things like corruption, lack of accountability and unwillingness to adequately assure the provision of security and basic services to significant portions of the population, could the U.S. and several other so-called developed countries be exempted from being labeled as such? President Maduro recently said "problemas tenemos todos, que lance la primera piedra quien no tenga alguna complicación, algún problema de carácter social, político, económico" — all countries have problems, let the one who does not have any social, political or economic problems throw the first stone.



I love the politics. You are entitled to your opinion.

Few countries in the world (including the US) are out of necessities, in line for food, have worthless currency, few jobs and an economy in free fall.

Again, politics is politics. But opinions aside, that is a failed state sadly
 
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:14 pm

hoya wrote:
Despite the political turmoil and economic recession, basic services are still operating in Brazil.

Rio Declares 'State Of Calamity' Ahead Of Games

Rio de Janeiro's governor has declared a "state of public calamity" (...) warns emergency measures are needed to avoid "a total collapse in public security, health, education, transport and environmental management" (...) authorises the state to adopt all necessary emergency measures to ration essential public services. (fair use excerpt)

We'll see how this one plays out.
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:41 pm

What is left to MAR? AA and Copa?
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:52 pm

It should be noted that of AR's 8 weekly operations in CCS, only two pick up or drop off passengers in Venezuela. The remaining six are technical stops on the way to HAV and PUJ. AR is using the cash trapped in Venezuela to pay for fuel and lodging for crews in CCS. All six of those flights are ending soon, Havana is being dropped, and PUJ goes nonstop from EZE with the A340. AR will then only have 2x week flights with the 738 to CCS.
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:56 am

viaggiare wrote:
EddieDude wrote:
Venezuela is quickly becoming isolated.

Isolated by economic powers eager to tap the world’s largest oil reserves. An overwhelming majority of Latin American and Caribbean nations defeated not one, but two of the most recent public relations stunts aimed at supporting the right-wing opposition's (and U.S.) current efforts at regime change in Venezuela. Be skeptical of the distorted narrative reported daily in mainstream media.

planeguy wrote:
A failed state that is corrupt to the core.

If your definition of a 'failed state' includes things like corruption, lack of accountability and unwillingness to adequately assure the provision of security and basic services to significant portions of the population, could the U.S. and several other so-called developed countries be exempted from being labeled as such? President Maduro recently said "problemas tenemos todos, que lance la primera piedra quien no tenga alguna complicación, algún problema de carácter social, político, económico" — all countries have problems, let the one who does not have any social, political or economic problems throw the first stone.


There isn't even toilet paper available. Venezuela is definitely a failed state. At least you can still buy toilet paper in Brazil.
 
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:50 am

hayzel777 wrote:
There isn't even toilet paper available. Venezuela is definitely a failed state.

After becoming annoyed by so many relatives and friends overseas asking him how was he coping with shortages, Agustín Otxotorena recently posted a series of photographs to his personal Facebook profile that paint a different picture of life under 'economic collapse' in Caracas.

Rich Not Starving in Venezuela, Basque Executive Shows
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:14 am

viaggiare wrote:
After becoming annoyed by so many relatives and friends overseas asking him how was he coping with shortages, Agustín Otxotorena recently posted a series of photographs to his personal Facebook profile that paint a different picture of life under 'economic collapse' in Caracas.

Rich Not Starving in Venezuela, Basque Executive Shows


This man became famous in the Spanish press, although he is admitting in one of his posts that people are suffering in Venezuela. With the inflation and the de-facto devalution of the currency, the average Venezuelan would not be able to buy anything in the featured upscale store in his Facebook posts (and probably it does not offer any "regulated" products with reduced prices which are in shortage in the "regular" stores).

Back to the topic itself, Aeromexico announced that their Caracas flights would be suspended indefinitely (in Spanish):

http://expansion.mx/empresas/2016/06/22 ... -venezuela
 
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:25 am

FlyingSicilian wrote:
What is left to MAR? AA and Copa?


Here are the other international flights out of Venezuela (next week):

From Barcelona:
- Guayaquil (5 flights with Avior)
- Manaus* (3 flights with Avior)
- Miami (11 flights with Avior)
- Panama (5 flights with Avior)

From Barquisimeto:
- Curacao (2 flights with Insel Air)

From La Piedras:
- Curacao (3 flights with Insel Air)

From Maracaibo:
- Aruba (10 flights with Avior, Laser)
- Curacao (3 flights with Avior)
- Miami (6 flights with American Airlines)
- Panama (9 flights with Copa)

From Valencia:
- Aruba (13 flights with Laser, Aruba Airlines, Avior)
- Bogota (6 flights with Avior)
- Curacao (6 flights with Rutaca, Insel Air, Avior)
- Medellin MDE* (6 flights with Avior)
- Panama (13 flights with Avior, Copa)

* = destination not served from Caracas
 
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:42 pm

Yes, you are so right about the state of affairs in Venezuela.
 
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:51 pm

EddieDude wrote:
DL is down to one weekly ATL-CCS flight. I wonder how much longer that will last.
LatinPlane wrote:
No official word yet, but the flights have been zeroed out. One more airline that leaves Venezuela.


I wonder if DL's growing ownership relationship with AM is also a factor? There may be American legal restrictions or the reverse imposed on AM due to DL's ownership stake.
 
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:00 pm

enilria wrote:
I wonder if DL's growing ownership relationship with AM is also a factor? There may be American legal restrictions or the reverse imposed on AM due to DL's ownership stake.


Reality is simpler, as it is often the case. Traffic to/from Venezuela has pretty much evaporated. Having crews overnight there is becoming a risk most airlines don't wish to get into.

But hey, according to someone on here, it is the opposition. That must be also the reason why folks are dying of causes such as epilepsy (unthinkable elsewhere). For those for whom supposedly the XXi century socialism was designed to protect simply have no access to such widespread drugs as antiepileptic medication. Without them, one bad seizure can be lethal.
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Re: AeroMéxico ends Caracas?

Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:08 pm

Actually, I'd guess AF will try to stick around. They are now the only one-stop option to our new colonial masters at PEK

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