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Continental Airlines axed EU routes/other axed routes

Wed Jun 22, 2016 6:57 pm

Hello there everybody. I have a question about a few orginal CO route that were cut:

Newark-Moncton (EWR-YQM)
Newark-Cologne/Bonn (EWR-CGN)

Would Eurowings resume CGN-EWR?

any info appreaciated, thanks.
 
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Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:09 pm

International (off the top of my head):
EWR-DUS
EWR-CPH
EWR-CAI (announced but never started)
EWR-ATH
EWR-London/Stansted
EWR-LGW

Domestic:
EWR-SLC
EWR-ABQ
EWR-SRQ
 
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Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:14 pm

EWR-BRS
 
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Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:34 pm

IAH-CDG
CLE-LGW
CLE-CDG
 
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Re: Continetal Airlines axed EU routes/other axed routes

Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:35 pm

Sorry for being unable to help the original poster, but this may be interesting to some.

Newark to:
ATH (resumed by United this year)
BRS
CAI (announced but never started)
CGN
CPH
DUS (pre-2001, replaced by CGN later)
LGW (all flights moved to LHR)
Moscow (1990s announced but never started, so probably would have been SVO)
STN

Houston to:
CDG
LGW (all flights moved to LHR)

Cleveland to:
CDG
LGW
 
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Re: Continetal Airlines axed EU routes/other axed routes

Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:42 pm

why was EWR-CGN cut? do to low loads?
 
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Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:23 pm

simairlinenet wrote:
Moscow (1990s announced but never started, so probably would have been SVO)


Slightly related, there is a photo in the database of a CO 764 landing at SVO, I believe in 2004. Is there any particular reason it was there?

STN is also in your post, but the new site is weirD and I haven't figured out how to go back and require your post. Could STN possibly be resumed? London as a market could possibly support EWR-STN purely as O&D, or would a return to LGW be more likely?
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:53 am

TWA772LR wrote:
simairlinenet wrote:
Moscow (1990s announced but never started, so probably would have been SVO)


Slightly related, there is a photo in the database of a CO 764 landing at SVO, I believe in 2004. Is there any particular reason it was there?

STN is also in your post, but the new site is weirD and I haven't figured out how to go back and require your post. Could STN possibly be resumed? London as a market could possibly support EWR-STN purely as O&D, or would a return to LGW be more likely?

If CO was there, it was a charter. UA flew to IAD-DME from 2009 to 2013ish.

EWR to LGW & STN were during the early-2000s when CO was blocked into flying to LHR. LHR was always the most desired airport and sUA always had the presence there (including a base) when CO didn't until 2008/2009.

So in short, no I don't think there is much reason to fly back to LGW or STN when they are heavily invested in LHR.
 
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:40 am

NichCage wrote:
Would Eurowings resume CGN-EWR?

any info appreaciated, thanks.


Yes, although it is not clear, if the flight will go to EWR or to JFK.
However, in a rather unusual move the Lufthansa CFO announced at a meeting in Cologne in May that Lufthansa was working on reinstating a direct route to New York. A couple of weeks later, the Eurowings CEO confirmed the plans and indicated that he would like to start the route in 2017.

One source here

We'll see, what comes out of that. EW may still be short of aircraft by next year. Some of the current routes, notably those to Thailand, have seen load factors of 95-100% and may require an increase in frequency. The announced Las Vegas, Sri Lanka, southern Africa and some others have not been launched yet. Hence, Lufthansa may also consider other options for the New York market. They could, for example, reroute the DUS-JFK flight via CGN, or they could work with United to have them pick up the route again. One way or another CGN-NYC will return in the not so distant future.
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:27 am

SJC-EWR
OAK-IAH
JFK-IAH
SEA-ANC

Going much farther back:

LAX-ITO
SEA-HNL
PDX-HNL
SFO-ABQ
SEA-PDX-SJC-BUR-ONT
 
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Re: Continental Airlines axed EU routes/other axed routes

Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:37 am

They flew DEN (Stapleton)-LGW for a little while until 1995 when Stapleton shut down. The last DEN-LGW flight was the last flight out of Stapleton actually!
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Re: Continental Airlines axed EU routes/other axed routes

Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:08 am

CO flew DEN-LGW for a long time. Starting in 1987.
It was indeed the last flight from Stapleton. I was there to see it go actually.
Then the flight turned and returned to the new DEN airport the next day.
At that point the CO hub in DEN was gone. But the LGW flight was still once a week. It was a placeholder while they decided what to do with the route.

SEA-ANC was with CO for a very long time. UA axed it not that long ago. Sad to see both these routes go.
 
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:04 am

klwright69 wrote:
CO flew DEN-LGW for a long time. Starting in 1987.
It was indeed the last flight from Stapleton. I was there to see it go actually.
Then the flight turned and returned to the new DEN airport the next day.
At that point the CO hub in DEN was gone. But the LGW flight was still once a week. It was a placeholder while they decided what to do with the route.


What was left of the CO hub at DEN by the end of it, around 93-95? I'm a Denverite whose first flight was from DIA, so I only know of Stapleton from when my dad would drive me out there to look at the old airport before it was torn down. To me, the thought of a CO hub in DEN seems very strange because of that, though I find it fun to find vestiges of the CO hub at DIA. For instance, the BA/AA club and the new DL Skyclub at Concourse A still look suspiciously like a President's Club, and my dad always told me that CO didn't want to move to DIA unless if it could locate to A and have a skybridge between A and the terminal in case the train ever broke down. Not sure how much truth there is in that, but it seems like an interesting suggestion.
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:15 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
SJC-EWR
OAK-IAH
JFK-IAH
SEA-ANC

Going much farther back:

LAX-ITO
SEA-HNL
PDX-HNL
SFO-ABQ
SEA-PDX-SJC-BUR-ONT


Were they all cut post merger ? I think the OP wasn't crystal clear but I *think* his intention is PMCO routes yanked after merger closing, not an ever-list of every single CO route shutdown throughout history.

Ps I think PMCO did SNA-HNL OGG for a while.
 
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:20 am

klwright69 wrote:
CO flew DEN-LGW for a long time. Starting in 1987.
It was indeed the last flight from Stapleton. I was there to see it go actually.
Then the flight turned and returned to the new DEN airport the next day.
At that point the CO hub in DEN was gone. But the LGW flight was still once a week. It was a placeholder while they decided what to do with the route.

SEA-ANC was with CO for a very long time. UA axed it not that long ago. Sad to see both these routes go.


Shutting SEA ANC was regrettable but still somewhat forgivable. After shutting the Denver Stapleton hub, all the PMCO hubs were absolutely horrific geographically to service ANC. Post merger, they have gained SFO+DEN, while not the the absolute best option, is a lot more useful and defensible.
 
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:50 am

a380787 wrote:
Post merger, they have gained SFO+DEN, while not the the absolute best option, is a lot more useful and defensible.


UA flying SEA-ANC didn't make any sense from a network standpoint, especially with all the competition. I also think concentrating on DEN-ANC instead is a lot more sound, as DEN arguably offers much better connection opportunities to the rest of the US than from SEA, especially compared to what UA offered at SEA before.
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:11 am

NichCage wrote:
Hello there everybody. I have a question about a few orginal CO route that were cut:
Newark-Cologne/Bonn (EWR-CGN)
Would Eurowings resume CGN-EWR?


DUS-NYC has been served by Lufthansa for many years and my understanding is that it is rather premium heavy. So I doubt that Lufthansa would replace that service with a low-cost style longhaul service from CGN. A CGN service would thus need to serve a different clientele and as long as airberlin offers that type of lower-end-of-the-market service from DUS twice daily, the big question is if sufficient demand exists - of all places on the US east coast, Eurowings decided to serve BOS from CGN and not New York and that certainly was for a reason. My guess is that if Lufthansa should decide to pull long-haul ops at DUS (it is now down to the EWR service on a W-pattern combined with MUC) for operational reasons, there is a good chance that United will replace Lufthansa to cater for the Star Alliance premium customers and any such decision will be independent from the decision to let Eurowings start New York from CGN.
 
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Re: Continental Airlines axed EU routes/other axed routes

Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:13 am

You are right. When CO withdrew their DEN hub, they were left with a very large Presidents Club in Concourse A. Obviously after the hub was gone they still had a large dedicated Club but for a small scale operation. Concourse A was originally going to be just for them, and they were going to have a suitably large Club. I remember later CO shared the space with BA just for their club. I haven't been up there in ages, so I don't know about its' use now. Makes sense it would be a Club for One World now.

CO flew SEA-ANC even back in the 80's with a single flight a day.

Yes, CO did do Hawaii flights from SNA.
 
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:26 am

klwright69 wrote:
You are right. When CO withdrew their DEN hub, they were left with a very large Presidents Club in Concourse A. Obviously after the hub was gone they still had a large dedicated Club but for a small scale operation. Concourse A was originally going to be just for them, and they were going to have a suitably large Club. I remember later CO shared the space with BA just for their club. I haven't been up there in ages, so I don't know about its' use now. Makes sense it would be a Club for One World now.

CO flew SEA-ANC even back in the 80's with a single flight a day.

Yes, CO did do Hawaii flights from SNA.


The right half (which used to be CO's club after DEN was de-hubbed) is now the AA/BA lounge. The left half (which used to be BA's lounge) is now a Delta Skyclub, which opened this week. There are some good pictures in the article below. That wood is also unmistakably CO.

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/blog/ ... -with.html
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:06 am

STN was cancelled in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. I recall it only ran for a few months. I was booked to fly on it, but lost out with the route cancellation. Since then there have been a number of operators on the route, all unsuccessful.
 
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Re: Continental Airlines axed EU routes/other axed routes

Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:17 pm

On the other side of the planet, they also cut GUM - DPS (Bali)
 
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Re: Continental Airlines axed EU routes/other axed routes

Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:37 pm

CO also announced EWR-LOS but it never started. This was discussed in the thread about UA dropping IAH-LOS.

Many years ago I believe CO flew to Noumea and even Port Moresby. But obviously they didn't last.
 
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:43 pm

Speaking of AirMike, the GUM-CNS leg was canned not too long ago .... plus a sizable pruning of the massive GUM-Japan network
 
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:59 pm

Continental also flew Miami-London Gatwick, the route was transferred from Eastern to Continental in 1986 when parent company Texas Air acquired Eastern. Continental flew Miami-London Gatwick from 1986 to 1990 when it was sold, along with Eastern's Latin America routes, to American.
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Re: Continental Airlines axed EU routes/other axed routes

Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:09 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
SJC-EWR
OAK-IAH
JFK-IAH
SEA-ANC

Going much farther back:

LAX-ITO
SEA-HNL
PDX-HNL
SFO-ABQ
SEA-PDX-SJC-BUR-ONT


they also axed

IAD-IAH
IAH-GYE
 
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Re: Continental Airlines axed EU routes/other axed routes

Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:53 pm

a380787 wrote:
klwright69 wrote:
CO flew DEN-LGW for a long time. Starting in 1987.
It was indeed the last flight from Stapleton. I was there to see it go actually.
Then the flight turned and returned to the new DEN airport the next day.
At that point the CO hub in DEN was gone. But the LGW flight was still once a week. It was a placeholder while they decided what to do with the route.

SEA-ANC was with CO for a very long time. UA axed it not that long ago. Sad to see both these routes go.


Shutting SEA ANC was regrettable but still somewhat forgivable. After shutting the Denver Stapleton hub, all the PMCO hubs were absolutely horrific geographically to service ANC. Post merger, they have gained SFO+DEN, while not the the absolute best option, is a lot more useful and defensible.


I've flown IAH-SEA-ANC many times on Friday nights. SEA was always touted as a "tech-stop" but IIRC the passenger count changed in Seattle. I frequently got off the plane with my boarding pass to walk about and to buy a Seattle newspaper in one of the kiosks at the end of the B Concourse - and when I returned to the plane, there were mostly new faces. As I remember it, it was IAH-SEA-ANC and not SEA-ANC.
 
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Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:36 pm

intotheair wrote:
What was left of the CO hub at DEN by the end of it, around 93-95?


In terms of daily flight and destinations, this should help you out:

http://www.departedflights.com/CODENhub.html
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Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:18 am

If you really want to go way back to the 70's. Pre deregulation, Continental flew to CCS and Maracaibo.

This does pop up when you search airliners.net.

The first city in South America for the Continental of the modern era was GYE.

Yes, CO went IAH-SEA-ANC. I believe to link two oil related destinations. Of course this was the case. At one time I think it was just Alaska with their many flights and CO with their single flight.
 
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Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:33 pm

Continental also had nonstop Seattle-Tokyo which they sold to AA around 1991. They had plans of making SEA their Pacific gateway.

They also had their Honolulu hub:

Honolulu-
Auckland, Cairns, Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, Manila, Tokyo, Papete Tahiti, Fiji, Vancouver.

Besides SEA-ANC they also had PDX-ANC. They also flew LAX-SAL, SAN-MEX, SAT-MEX, ELP-MEX
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Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:48 pm

We also had a non stop EWR-ANC for a while as a seasonal summer route in the B757.
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Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:08 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
SJC-EWR
OAK-IAH
JFK-IAH
SEA-ANC

Going much farther back:

LAX-ITO
SEA-HNL
PDX-HNL
SFO-ABQ
SEA-PDX-SJC-BUR-ONT


You may add,

PDX-SLC
SAN-ONT
PDX-SEA
SEA-PDX-ICT-OKC-PDX-SEA & v.v. timetable circa 1968, this is what the C.A.B. gave CO to initially start PDX & SEA
MAJ-TRW-FUN-PPG - http://www.departedflights.com/CO103171.html
ICT-TUL
MAF-LBB-AMA
PHX-TUS
TUS-ELP
PDX/SEA-BUR
LAS-PHX
SAT-LAX
LAX-ELP
HNL-NAN-SYD
HNL-PPG-SYD
HNL-PPG-AKL
DEN-YYC
ELP-SJD/LAP
ELP-PVR/MZO/ACA
MSY-DFW
OKC-LBB
ICT-TUL-OKC
ABQ-ORD
ORD-LAX
ORD-MCI
MSY-OKC
HNL-AKL-SYD
SYD-HNL
DEN-MIA
DEN to EVERYWHERE
SAT-AUS
IAH-HOU
IND-SDF
ELP-MAF-LBB-DEN
PDX-ANC
DEN-BIL-GTF
LAS-BFL
SFO-RNO
DEN-CAS-RPC-DEN
DEN-TUL-LIT-DCA
OMA-PIA
OMA-MCI
MCO-RSW
TPA-SRQ
DFW-MKE
ORD-MKE-GRB
SAV-JAX
HNL-SYD-MEL-HNL
RNO-BFL-LAS
BOI-SLC
DTW-BUF
ELP-ABQ
IND-SDF
MCI-STL
DCA-MCI
BOS-PHL
LAS-LAX
MSY-MAR-CCS
LAS-ABQ
NAN-MEL
AKL-MEL
HKG-TPE
TPA-MSY
MCO-MSY
PDX-SEA-CLE
PDX-CLE
SFO-HNL
YEG-YYC-DEN/IAH
GUM-POM
GUM-DPS
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HNL-YVR
YVR-GEG-DEN
HNL-BNE-SYD
GUM-BNE
DEN-LGW
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Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:38 am

Yes, STT all correct. I also think CO did McAllen or Laredo to MEX nonstop. ELP-MEX originated in DEN when it was still a hub.

Yes, SEA-NRT was sold to AA for cash to make it through bankruptcy.
 
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Re: Continental Airlines axed EU routes/other axed routes

Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:47 pm

they axed EWR-CNF, via GIG, I remember seeing their 762ER in CNF
 
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Re: Continental Airlines axed EU routes/other axed routes

Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:53 pm

klwright69 wrote:
Yes, CO went IAH-SEA-ANC. I believe to link two oil related destinations. Of course this was the case. At one time I think it was just Alaska with their many flights and CO with their single flight.


As recently as 2004, CO flew both IAH-SEA-ANC on a 757 and EWR-SEA-ANC on a 738. In November 04', I flew to ANC on the IAH-SEA-ANC flight and home on the ANC-SEA-EWR flight. The SEA-EWR leg was a redeye, arriving early (6 or 7 A.M.) in EWR.

I think I remember them saying something about a codeshare with AS on at least one of the flights, but I may be getting it confused with another flight that I have taken, as I was pretty young at the time.
 
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Re: Continental Airlines axed EU routes/other axed routes

Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:24 am

I looked through the above posts. When CO had the DEN hub, they also flew from YVR to HNL nonstop to feed Australia and NZ routes. I see this was mentioned. But it was only 2x a week. A true odd one.

A fairly big route for CO was DEN-HNL nonstop. It was flight 34 which continued on to LGW. No one mentioned this one.

Also, another one totally forgotten, was HNL-NGO. This was when they only had one flight between LAX-HNL. I suppose it was to increase plane utilisation of metal in HNL.
 
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Re: Continental Airlines axed EU routes/other axed routes

Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:13 pm

Another route was LAX-PPT. Flown with 747s IIRC following the merger with PE.

More recently the short lived GUM-NAN
 
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Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:11 pm

klwright69 wrote:
I also think CO did McAllen or Laredo to MEX nonstop.


I was going to say the same thing - MFE-MEX but I need to look it up to be sure

When CO was a very hub-focussed airline in '98-'01 they still ran SAT-LAX-SAT as a non-hub route, departing SAT at 12:20p and returning from LAX at 2:15p IIRC - always an opportunity to hobnob with Spurs and/or Lakers players in F during those years ;) Route got canned shortly after 9/11.

I have a distant memory of EWR-SAT-MEX too but need to get my OAG to be sure
 
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Re: Continental Airlines axed EU routes/other axed routes

Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:20 am

klwright69 wrote:
I looked through the above posts. When CO had the DEN hub, they also flew from YVR to HNL nonstop to feed Australia and NZ routes. I see this was mentioned. But it was only 2x a week. A true odd one.


No U.S. airlines have ever had much success in the YVR-HNL market and there have been at least 4. Those I recall:
Western
Continental
Aloha
South Pacific Island Airways (based America Samoa, operated 707s YVR-HNL 2 or 3 times a week for a while in the 1980s)
 
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Re: Continental Airlines axed EU routes/other axed routes

Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:41 am

CO has always tinkered with some point to point flying. None of them ever really worked long term with a few exceptions. SEA-ANC worked clearly. Oh, yes the flight started in IAH, but it's just two sides of the same coin. And LAX-HNL was also non hub for CO, but that was needed to support GUM services.

I don't know if anyone ever mentioned but CO did seasonal Sat. only LGA-AUA flying. I am pretty sure this is now gone. I am not sure if the merged entity ever flew it. Maybe they did but I think it's gone.

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Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos