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What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:18 am
by MrHMSH
Being a regular at GIB, it's fairly noticeable that almost all of the flights operated into the airport are Airbus aircraft, in this case always A319s or A320s. The exceptions are the ATR72s that AT fly across to Morocco, but ignoring them for a second, it got me thinking: what's the biggest/busiest airport you can think of where all the regular flights are only from one manufacturer?

Regards,
Martin

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:07 am
by NamGunner
I'm not sure this is a valid question.
Firstly, no airport controls the type or manufacturer of aircraft that use its facilities. Either the aircraft's operating parameters align with the airport or not. i.e. You cannot schedule a 747 or 380 operations onto a dirt strip.
Secondly, even if by some wild stretch of imagination this were true today for a given airport -- tomorrow is a whole new day.
Third, even your own example has to have a caveat.

Sorry, I decline to play.

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:14 am
by MaxxFlyer
NamGunner wrote:
I'm not sure this is a valid question.
Firstly, no airport controls the type or manufacturer of aircraft that use its facilities. Either the aircraft's operating parameters align with the airport or not. i.e. You cannot schedule a 747 or 380 operations onto a dirt strip.
Secondly, even if by some wild stretch of imagination this were true today for a given airport -- tomorrow is a whole new day.
Third, even your own example has to have a caveat.

Sorry, I decline to play.


I agree. Some very small airports with service by one or two airlines could qualify, but it's a question that leaves any response open to debate.

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:36 pm
by bmacleod
PTY Panama seems at least 90% or so Boeing looking at this shot.

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Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:37 pm
by fjhc
What's the biggest airport only served by Ryanair? I was thinking of Frankfurt Hahn, on a passenger side anyway, but I think Wizz fly there too.

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:57 pm
by hufftheweevil
NamGunner wrote:
I'm not sure this is a valid question.
Firstly, no airport controls the type or manufacturer of aircraft that use its facilities. Either the aircraft's operating parameters align with the airport or not. i.e. You cannot schedule a 747 or 380 operations onto a dirt strip.
Secondly, even if by some wild stretch of imagination this were true today for a given airport -- tomorrow is a whole new day.
Third, even your own example has to have a caveat.

Sorry, I decline to play.


I'm pretty sure the OP knows this. But most routes are operated by the same type every day, so it's not very difficult to at least discuss the topic.

MaxxFlyer wrote:
I agree. Some very small airports with service by one or two airlines could qualify, but it's a question that leaves any response open to debate.


But the question is for the biggest airport. So any "very small airports" are probably not the winner.

Second, isn't debate what we do???

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:22 pm
by nkops
Currently, ACY is all 319,320, and 321's.. excluding charters...
Probably not the biggest though

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:58 pm
by slowrambler
Much easier to come up with airports that are all-Bombardier (in the US, anyway).

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:37 pm
by slcdeltarumd11
ACY atlantic city NJ all airbus is probably the largest in number of seats?

Maybe TTN also since frontier is the only carrier

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:07 pm
by cheeken
But the question is for the biggest airport. So any "very small airports" are probably not the winner.


"biggest" is relative though, and given the nature of the question, it is highly likely that a small airport is the winner....

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:10 pm
by litz
I'd say the two most obvious answers are the ones nobody's mentioned .... TLS and BFI/RNT .... ;-)

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:10 pm
by Devilfish
MrHMSH wrote:
at GIB, it's fairly noticeable that almost all of the flights operated into the airport are Airbus aircraft, in this case always A319s or A320s. The exceptions are the ATR72s that AT fly across to Morocco

Technically, the ATRs are still 50% Airbus. ;)

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:32 pm
by Yflyer
DAL has got to be over 90% Boeing, given that over 90% of the flights are on Southwest. The only exceptions would be the VX Airbuses and occasional Delta Connection RJ. It will be interesting to see what happens with the VX flights once the merger with AS is complete. Will they continue to operate the flights with A320s under the Virgin brand as has been rumored? Will they phase out the Airbuses and change the flights to Alaska 737s? Will they leave DAL altogether? The latter two options would make DAL very close to being all Boeing.

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:39 pm
by Alexdk
litz wrote:
I'd say the two most obvious answers are the ones nobody's mentioned .... TLS and BFI/RNT .... ;-)

In TLS at least AH, AT and TB use Boeings. Many more also use non-Airbuses.

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:57 pm
by steex
Neither Boeing nor Airbus, but YTZ (Toronto Billy Bishop) is a fairly busy airport and has all scheduled commercial flights operated not only by one manufacturer (Bombardier), but by one type (Q400). I believe YTZ sees something like 2.5 million pax per year.

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:13 pm
by Kilopond
Alexdk wrote:
litz wrote:
I'd say the two most obvious answers are the ones nobody's mentioned .... TLS and BFI/RNT .... ;-)

In TLS at least AH, AT and TB use Boeings. Many more also use non-Airbuses.


And don't forget Ryanair's operations at Toulouse-Blagnac (TLS)! The other Airbus base at Hamburg-Finkenwerder (XFW) should not qualify here, since it has no scheduled flights at all. By the way, those Boeing factory airfields shouldn't qualify either.

However, you will always find an Airbus dominance at points where field performance really matters. In particular, the overpowerd A319-115 is the workhorse at highly elevated airports in the Far East. A very spectacular Airbus-only airport is Paro, Bhutan (PBH).

Re: biggest airport all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:00 pm
by timz
nkops wrote:
Currently, ACY is all 319,320, and 321's.. excluding charters...
Probably not the biggest though
Guess you mean ACY has no scheduled Boeings, but it does have other non-Airbus scheduled airliners. Nobody can find an actual all-Boeing or all-Airbus airport?

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:20 pm
by AV8AJET
HOU, Houston Hobby is mostly 737's with Southwest

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:27 pm
by UPS757Pilot
HNL used to be mostly Boeing until Hawaiin started operating A330s.

Re: biggest airport all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:32 pm
by Yflyer
timz wrote:
nkops wrote:
Currently, ACY is all 319,320, and 321's.. excluding charters...
Probably not the biggest though
Guess you mean ACY has no scheduled Boeings, but it does have other non-Airbus scheduled airliners.


Unless Wikipedia is wrong, it looks like Spirit is the only scheduled airline at ACY, and they are all Airbus. I too thought surely someone else must fly there with RJs or something (I'm 99% sure Delta Connection used to do ACY-ATL), but apparently not anymore.

Nobody can find an actual all-Boeing or all-Airbus airport?


It's going to be really difficult. Any airport big enough to get mainline flights is most likely going to be served by multiple airlines, which means more than likely some airlines will send Boeings there and some will send Airbuses and some will send both. Even if we consider airports that are just big enough to only have mainline flights on one airline, they'll more likely than not have regional flights on others. ACY seems to be a notable exception. And like someone already mentioned there are probably some airports in Europe that are only served by Ryanair, so that's probably the best bet for all-Boeing airports.

Re: biggest airport all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:43 pm
by steex
Yflyer wrote:
And like someone already mentioned there are probably some airports in Europe that are only served by Ryanair, so that's probably the best bet for all-Boeing airports.


I don't know what the largest such airport would be, but WMI (Warsaw-Modlin) comes to mind as a Ryanair-only airport.

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:47 pm
by richardw
If we say airport terminal, it makes things slightly more interesting.

Re: ACY

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:54 pm
by timz
Yflyer wrote:
Unless Wikipedia is wrong, it looks like Spirit is the only scheduled airline at ACY
Flightaware shows a Boston-Maine Airways Jetstream from DCA. Is it not scheduled?

Maybe not-- no mention of it on the airport websites.

Re: ACY

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:55 pm
by EIDL
timz wrote:
Yflyer wrote:
Unless Wikipedia is wrong, it looks like Spirit is the only scheduled airline at ACY
Flightaware shows a Boston-Maine Airways Jetstream from DCA. Is it not scheduled?


Didn't Boston-Maine close down years and years ago?

Re: Boston-Maine

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:03 pm
by timz
Guess the original Boston-Maine became Northeast, didn't it? Circa 1940? No idea what the one on Flightaware is.

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:03 pm
by precure787
I seriously doubt that any major airport would be a Boeing exclusive or Airbus exclusive, but I know for sure that many airports within the European Union are Airbus dominant.

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:10 pm
by Brokkenpiloot
GRO seems to be 737 only, at least tomorrow. It has mainly Ryanair flights, but also some Jet2 and a Transavia flight.

Re: Boston-Maine

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:14 pm
by Yflyer
timz wrote:
Guess the original Boston-Maine became Northeast, didn't it? Circa 1940? No idea what the one on Flightaware is.


That's got to be a Flightaware error. Like EIDL said Boston-Maine folded years ago. They were one several airlines to own the Pan Am brand over the years since the real Pan Am went under, and used to fly 727s and Jetstreams under the "Pan Am Clipper Connection" banner. I'm pretty sure they were the last airline in the US to use 727s on scheduled flights when they shut down in 2008. Maybe some charter outfit took their callsign and it's confusing Flightaware or something.

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:21 pm
by USAirKid
litz wrote:
I'd say the two most obvious answers are the ones nobody's mentioned .... TLS and BFI/RNT .... ;-)


The issue with RNT is the 737s leave RNT, but never come back. (or pretty rarely come back.)

BFI has service from 5X, which brings A300s in on a regular basis.

PAE has a bunch of MRO work at the field that is non Boeing, so other manufacturers show up there too.

To make this sane, it'd probably be best to limit this to scheduled ops (121/Foreign Equivalent) for a given month, perhaps May 2016?

Re: ACY

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:28 pm
by timz
So if ACY is all-Airbus (scheduled airlines only) has anyone beat it?

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:29 pm
by konkret
WMI is 100% Boeing

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:37 pm
by mozart
Depends how one looks at the question:

1) Airports that have only Boeing or Airbus and NOTHING ELSE - i.e. not even a single commuter flight - I can't think of any major airports. Smaller airports that have only Boeing do exist: Longyearbyen/Svlabard sees only Boeing and nothing else, so does Adak Island, Tamanrasset in Algeria; LinZhi and a couple of other airports in Tibet only see Airbus, and so does Paro in Bhutan. I am sure there are other airports that only have a few flights but get served by mainline material from that country's airline

2) Airports which see Boeing but no Airbus or vice-versa, alongside some commuter planes: many more. For instance Trondheim in Norway is all 737, no Airbus

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:46 pm
by EUflyer
Is FR the only scheduled airline (passenger) into PIK ?

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:23 pm
by steex
mozart wrote:
Airports which see Boeing but no Airbus or vice-versa, alongside some commuter planes: many more. For instance Trondheim in Norway is all 737, no Airbus


Actually, Wizzair flies into Trondheim, and they have an all-Airbus fleet.

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:35 pm
by juantorresair08
In my opinion, it is not about the manufacturer, it is about the airlines. For example here where i live (Bogota, SKBO) the principal airlines are AVIANCA and LAN and their principal aircraft is the A320 family, therefore El Dorado intl (skbo airport) is almost all-airbus, but theres no limitations or regulations conserning what type of aircarft could operate in the apt.

If you want an all-airbus or all-boeing, you just got to look for the headquarters.

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:26 am
by benjjk
Canberra (YSCB) in Australia has about 3.5 million pax/year, 821 weekly scheduled flights, not one of them on an Airbus.

However quite a few Embraer and ATRs make up that number so it's not all Boeing.

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:23 am
by flyingdoc787
This is actually a good question, as it made me think real hard to find an airport with all commercial service on just one manufacturer's plane. Is it really possible? I suspected I could find one such airport in the Philippines, as the major airlines there operate a lot of Airbus planes and there are some fairly busy domestic airports.
After some research, I came up with Zamboanga Airport in the Southern Philippines. According to the latest figures (2012), it handled 904,000+ pax... Probably by now it handles close to 1M pax. All commercial services (Manila, Cebu, Davao, Tawi-tawI) are on Airbus jets (A320 or A319), either on Cebu Pacific or Philippine Airlines. There are around 10 flights a day in this airport.
So this is the busiest airport with all scheduled passenger services operated by the same manufacturer that I could think of. :ugeek:

Re: biggest airport all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:30 am
by qfvhoqa
steex wrote:
I don't know what the largest such airport would be, but WMI (Warsaw-Modlin) comes to mind as a Ryanair-only airport.

WMI seems to be the largest Ryanair-only airport (most others also host Wizzair). PIK is quite a bit smaller.

UKB (Kobe, Japan) has 4 airlines who all fly Boeing, had 2,532,869 pax in 2015.
SZB (Kuala Lumpur) has 2 scheduled airlines, Firefly & Malindo, and both only fly ATR 72 from there. 3,059,144 pax in 2015.

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:49 am
by vhqpa
As far as I know ASP (Alice Springs) is all Boeing

QF Sydney Daily 737-800
QF Melbourne Daily 737-800
QF Adelaide Daily 737-800
QJE Darwin 2x Daily 717-200
QJE Cairns Daily 717-200
QJE Brisbane 2x (soon 3) Weekly 717-200
QJE Yulara Daily 717-200
QJE Perth Daily 717-200
VA Darwin 3x Weekly 737-800
VA Adelaide 3x Weekly 737-800

*EDIT

It appears Airnorth have just restarted their Darwin-Katherine-Tennant Creek-Alice Springs milkrun operated 3x Weekly using an Embraer 120 so ASP no longer qualifies but until recently it did.

Re: biggest airport all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:45 am
by steex
qfvhoqa wrote:
UKB (Kobe, Japan) has 4 airlines who all fly Boeing, had 2,532,869 pax in 2015.
SZB (Kuala Lumpur) has 2 scheduled airlines, Firefly & Malindo, and both only fly ATR 72 from there. 3,059,144 pax in 2015.[/color]


Both good catches. I thought of SZB, but wasn't 100% sure of the fleet mix there. I completely overlooked UKB.

Re: ACY

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:46 pm
by nkops
timz wrote:
Yflyer wrote:
Unless Wikipedia is wrong, it looks like Spirit is the only scheduled airline at ACY
Flightaware shows a Boston-Maine Airways Jetstream from DCA. Is it not scheduled?

Maybe not-- no mention of it on the airport websites.


The DCA run is an FAA chartered plane to run folks between DC and the Tech Center at ACY.. it actually leaves from the FAA ramp and does not come to terminal

Re: biggest airport all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:04 am
by PatrickZ80
qfvhoqa wrote:
steex wrote:
I don't know what the largest such airport would be, but WMI (Warsaw-Modlin) comes to mind as a Ryanair-only airport.

WMI seems to be the largest Ryanair-only airport (most others also host Wizzair). PIK is quite a bit smaller.


I was thinking of NRN (Dusseldorf-Weeze), which is also almost a Ryanair-only airport and I think NRN is bigger than WMI. Transavia does have some charter flights out of NRN, but they also use the 737 so it still qualifies.

Re: biggest airport all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:05 am
by qfvhoqa
PatrickZ80 wrote:
I was thinking of NRN (Dusseldorf-Weeze), which is also almost a Ryanair-only airport and I think NRN is bigger than WMI. Transavia does have some charter flights out of NRN, but they also use the 737 so it still qualifies.

WMI handled 2,588,175 pax in 2015, NRN 1,909,704 pax (figures from Wikipedia, but linked to their source).

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:16 am
by 777Jet
benjjk wrote:
Canberra (YSCB) in Australia has about 3.5 million pax/year, 821 weekly scheduled flights, not one of them on an Airbus.

However quite a few Embraer and ATRs make up that number so it's not all Boeing.


The Singapore Airlines Changi-Canberra-Wellington route was initially going to be operated by an A330 until SQ decided to go with the 777. So, Canberra almost got an Airbus flight!

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:19 am
by Beatyair
Chicago Midday
Houston Hobby
Dallas Love

Basically southwest airline fields

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:06 am
by Viscount724
USAirKid wrote:
litz wrote:
I'd say the two most obvious answers are the ones nobody's mentioned .... TLS and BFI/RNT .... ;-)


Also the Airbus assembly facility at Hamburg Finkenwerder (XFW) which must be virtually 100% Airbus.

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Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:52 am
by Yflyer
Beatyair wrote:
Chicago Midday
Houston Hobby
Dallas Love

Basically southwest airline fields


Don't know about the others without looking it up, but Love Field gets Airbuses from Virgin America.

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:04 am
by PatrickZ80
Beatyair wrote:
Chicago Midday
Houston Hobby
Dallas Love

Basically southwest airline fields


Basically, but not entirely and that's what it's about. MDW has Volaris, DAL has Virgin America and HOU has JetBlue. All of them fly Airbusses into those airports.

PS it's Chicago Midway and not Chicago Midday.

Viscount724 wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
litz wrote:
I'd say the two most obvious answers are the ones nobody's mentioned .... TLS and BFI/RNT .... ;-)


Also the Airbus assembly facility at Hamburg Finkenwerder (XFW) which must be virtually 100% Airbus.


If you read back you'd know these don't qualify because they don't see regular airline service. They're just production facilities.

qfvhoqa wrote:
WMI handled 2,588,175 pax in 2015, NRN 1,909,704 pax (figures from Wikipedia, but linked to their source).


You're absolutely right, WMI has grown harder than I thought. However 2015 is the first year WMI has handled more passengers than NRN, all the years before NRN handled more passengers.

RYG is also an all Boeing airport with Ryanair and Norwegian both flying 737's out of there, but it will close in october. However it's still behind NRN in number of pax, so it's not the biggest.

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:38 pm
by mandala499
USAirKid wrote:
litz wrote:
I'd say the two most obvious answers are the ones nobody's mentioned .... TLS and BFI/RNT .... ;-)


The issue with RNT is the 737s leave RNT, but never come back. (or pretty rarely come back.)

BFI has service from 5X, which brings A300s in on a regular basis.

PAE has a bunch of MRO work at the field that is non Boeing, so other manufacturers show up there too.

To make this sane, it'd probably be best to limit this to scheduled ops (121/Foreign Equivalent) for a given month, perhaps May 2016?

In other part of the world, Part 121 Ops, are not limited to scheduled flights, 121 ops is aircraft size...

And given that the question is:

MrHMSH wrote:
what's the biggest/busiest airport you can think of where all the regular flights are only from one manufacturer?

XFW sees 2 daily flights by Germania, which in the regulations of some country counts as "regular flights" in terms of safety regulations (Part 121 or equivalent for some countries, I think US now has more than one FAR part for large aircraft ops?)...
So, if Germania sends in Airbus only to fly the Airbus corporate charter between XFW and TLS, then, XFW counts...

The question is, what is the meaning of "regular flights" in the eyes of the OP...

However, I can name not just 1 airport, but one country where all the public scheduled (ie: not charter) aircraft operations are from 1 (well, 1.5) manufacturer... that is... BHUTAN! Only Paro is operational with public scheduled flights, and the aircraft types are A319s and ATR42s...

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:53 pm
by metaldirtnskin
You'd be looking at an airport served by just one airline or, if you're lucky, two airlines that always use the same (complementary) equipment. Only five airlines at dinky little EUG, and yet we get 737, A319, MD80, DHC8, seemingly all variants of both CRJ and ERJ... and so forth.

This would have been a much easier question back when Boeing owned DHC, but that's been a number of years now. (edit: 24 years, even longer than I thought)