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A380 for Sale???

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:46 pm
by aca36
Hey everyone!

Any idea whose A380 this is?

http://www.controller.com/listings/airc ... irbus-a380

Re: A380 for Sale???

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:17 pm
by SpaceshipDC10
If the pictures of the A380 seen on the link are of that aircraft for sale, the registration is F-WWDD.

This is F-WWDD:
http://www.planespotters.net/airframe/A ... -Industrie

Re: A380 for Sale???

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:30 pm
by ILNFlyer
$155 Million seems a tad high..... :lol:

Re: A380 for Sale???

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:11 pm
by Polot
The year (2012), engines (RR), and number of seats (490) matches Malaysia Airlines (although they have 494 seats), who has been looking at selling or leasing off their A380s for a while now.

F-WWDD has GP engines now.

Re: A380 for Sale???

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:28 pm
by KarelXWB
It's fake. F-WWDD is the Airbus testbed and has no seats installed.

Re: A380 for Sale???

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:33 pm
by Stitch
ILNFlyer wrote:
$155 Million seems a tad high..... :lol:


It's a third of the list price of a new build and around half of the actual sales price.


KarelXWB wrote:
It's fake. F-WWDD is the Airbus testbed and has no seats installed.


Why would the site allow a fake posting? I agree it's not going to be F-WWDD, but I think Polot might be on the mark with it being a Malaysia Airlines frame and we know they are actively marketing their A380s for re-sale or lease. Clearly the airframe is not actually in Palos Verdes, but the agent is and MH could be using third parties to market the frames in addition to their own efforts.

Re: A380 for Sale???

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:39 pm
by Polot
The photos are obviously not of the aircraft being sold- that is pretty common. They just found pictures of a white, unmarked A380 and used those.

Re: A380 for Sale???

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:21 pm
by Channex757
So this company has a $150m+ asset for sale. They can't even manage some photoshopped photos of the actual aircraft?

if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

scam. Without a shadow of a doubt. Can anyone see Airbus using someone like this to market their planes? So it won't be the one in the pictures, which incidentally has now got the GP7200 engines fitted and not Trents.

Re: A380 for Sale???

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:45 pm
by Stitch
Channex757 wrote:
So this company has a $150m+ asset for sale. They can't even manage some photoshopped photos of the actual aircraft?


Assuming it's a Malaysian frame, perhaps they don't want to directly advertise it? Especially if they have multiple agents shopping the frame around the world?

Seriously, this is the equivalent of the "For Sale at $xxxx" signs you see in the windshields of parked cars. Anyone serious enough to be interested in the frame will call that broker/agent and get all the information they need (including the current owner/operator) to make a decision on whether or not to consummate a sale.

Channex757 wrote:
Can anyone see Airbus using someone like this to market their planes?


For used frames? Absolutely. Boeing's Available Aircraft page for used Boeing airframes offered for direct sale lists the same basic information that A380 listing does (model, engine, serial number, MTOW, cycles and Year of Manufacture).

Re: A380 for Sale???

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:56 pm
by Polot
This is a multi million dollar aircraft. Not a junker someone is listing on Craigslist. Nobody buying this cares about the pictures attached to ad, they are just included to quickly catch your eye. They we'll get all the information they need after being vetted by the broker.

And yes using brokers is a very common way to sell used planes. From the same site you can see there are a bunch of A330s (photos also all white unmarked planes, uh oh!) also being sold by the same broker. MH is in the business of flying planes, not selling them. They give that job to brokers (likely more than one).

Re: A380 for Sale???

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:55 am
by Ncfc99
The advert states 4640 cycles and 14230 hours. Would that be reasonable use on a 2012 aircraft?

Re: A380 for Sale???

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:02 pm
by hOMSaR
Ncfc99 wrote:
The advert states 4640 cycles and 14230 hours. Would that be reasonable use on a 2012 aircraft?


That's about 1100 cycles per year (give or take, depending on when in 2012 it started flying, and when in 2016 those numbers were taken), which comes to just around 3 per day. The average flight was just over 3 hours.

Sounds reasonable-ish.

Re: A380 for Sale???

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 4:54 pm
by sunrisevalley
[quote="Stitch"][quote="Channex757"]Assuming it's a Malaysian frame, perhaps they don't want to directly advertise it? Especially if they have multiple agents shopping the frame around the world?

Any potential acquirer of the MH frames is well aware of their availability and detail and who the brokers are offering them. Thus I see no reason for an ad. for MH frames.

Re: A380 for Sale???

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:40 pm
by Stitch
sunrisevalley wrote:
Any potential acquirer of the MH frames is well aware of their availability and detail and who the brokers are offering them. Thus I see no reason for an ad. for MH frames.


Well I just don't see why a site that brokers used airplanes would allow people to just randomly post fake offerings - especially fake offerings from an actual aircraft brokerage firm. One would think they would be worried about legal liability.

Re: A380 for Sale???

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:12 pm
by KrustyTheKlown
hOMSaR wrote:
Ncfc99 wrote:
The advert states 4640 cycles and 14230 hours. Would that be reasonable use on a 2012 aircraft?


That's about 1100 cycles per year (give or take, depending on when in 2012 it started flying, and when in 2016 those numbers were taken), which comes to just around 3 per day. The average flight was just over 3 hours.

Sounds reasonable-ish.


An average flight-length of 3 hours doesn't sound very reasonable for long haul aircraft.

Well, unless the A380 was heavily used in short routes such as Dubai-Jedah

Re: A380 for Sale???

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:29 pm
by Polot
They are just not heavily used. Right now they have 6 A380s for a 2x KUL-LHR rotation. That is it, and I think has been so for almost a year now. I think HKG and CDG are the only other places they have sent the plane.

The hours/cycles assumed regular typical usage and that is just not the case.