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tmiw wrote:I thought BA was switching to the 777-300ER after this summer?
jb1087xna wrote:Very specific question, but is the DL 9am departure to ATL going to be year round? I've been out to SAN several times in the last year and have never noticed that as an option on the return leg, but notice they now offer one this summer. It's a little more comfortable than the ~6-7 am departure. I'm planning a trip to SAN in October and DL hasn't updated their schedules that far out yet.
flymco753 wrote:What needs to happen is a SAN-DTW route on Spirit or Alaska. This route keeps growing and there needs to be a competitor.
crownvic wrote:I had the lovely experience of connecting on WN in SAN last month. What a frustrating experience, as my connecting gate from one WN flight to the other was just a few gates away but I was forced to exit the gate area and re-enter again down a ways and go thru TSA screening all over again. I pre paid with WN for early check in and because of the delays at TSA I was the last one on the plane with the door closing right behind me. So much for A boarding, I was stuck in a middle seat for a transcon flight back to MCO. Luckily block time was 3hrs 55 mins. I called WN and they were nice enough to refund my 15.00 for early check in. Why in the hell do you have to exit and re-enter on a connection with the same airline just a few gates away??? HORRIBLE
crownvic wrote:I had the lovely experience of connecting on WN in SAN last month. What a frustrating experience, as my connecting gate from one WN flight to the other was just a few gates away but I was forced to exit the gate area and re-enter again down a ways and go thru TSA screening all over again. I pre paid with WN for early check in and because of the delays at TSA I was the last one on the plane with the door closing right behind me. So much for A boarding, I was stuck in a middle seat for a transcon flight back to MCO. Luckily block time was 3hrs 55 mins. I called WN and they were nice enough to refund my 15.00 for early check in. Why in the hell do you have to exit and re-enter on a connection with the same airline just a few gates away??? HORRIBLE
crownvic wrote:I find it interesting reading in reference to difficult connections with WN at SAN..Yes my connection was from LAS I believe gate 1 or 2. Based on insider comments it seems that this has been an ongoing frustration with WN connecting flights there for sometime. Funny when I called WN to complain the agent acted quite surprised and never heard of that issue before. I will say he was most apologetic and refunded the whopping $15.00 right away LOL
SANFan wrote:No question that the WN situation in SAN is less than desirable.
For an operation of its size -- 11 fully-committed gates, over 100 daily departures, and with lots of connections offered -- things are very crowded and, as pointed out, the operation is split into 2 separate sterile areas.
SANFan wrote:flymco753 wrote:What needs to happen is a SAN-DTW route on Spirit or Alaska. This route keeps growing and there needs to be a competitor.
I couldn't agree with you more. From SAN, it's the only DL hub without competition, plus it's got healthy O&D numbers; the 2 most obvious cx to start competing service from SAN would, I agree, be AS or NK.
If AS keeps growing SAN, I would hope cities such as DTW, PHL & NYC would be on their radar as potential destinations. (Plus, IND of course... But that's for another thread.)
Perhaps, if NK has finished adding almost every possible destination in their network from LAX, they can return to growing SAN a bit more. Their last add here was ORD, so DTW doesn't seem that out-of-the-question?
bb
Viscount724 wrote:
Considering SAN's location I'm surprised there are a lot of connections. Where are people connecting? Except for Hawaii, it would seem that almost anywhere would be a backhaul to/from SAN with many much more direct connecting options.
SANMAN66 wrote:I know I've been late to the party but my computer's been on the blink, I've been lurking lately.
FLIHGH wrote:San Diego is also getting Mint 321s to Boston AND JFK...dates TBD.
crownvic wrote:I had the lovely experience of connecting on WN in SAN last month. What a frustrating experience, as my connecting gate from one WN flight to the other was just a few gates away but I was forced to exit the gate area and re-enter again down a ways and go thru TSA screening all over again. I pre paid with WN for early check in and because of the delays at TSA I was the last one on the plane with the door closing right behind me. So much for A boarding, I was stuck in a middle seat for a transcon flight back to MCO. Luckily block time was 3hrs 55 mins. I called WN and they were nice enough to refund my 15.00 for early check in. Why in the hell do you have to exit and re-enter on a connection with the same airline just a few gates away??? HORRIBLE
SANFan wrote:FLIHGH wrote:San Diego is also getting Mint 321s to Boston AND JFK...dates TBD.
Yes, as mentioned in the OP...
Re: the dramatic return of SAN-YVR, SANMAN', I have a feeling one of the 2 cx learned that the other was going to start the route, and didn't want to be left out. (Remind you of the SAN-YYC 'battle' of a few years ago, between the same 2 cx?)
I really see no reason for AC to be seasonal -- and apparently neither does WS -- so I wonder how long before AC/rouge keeps the route op'ing year-round? Unfortunately, with the current schedule, the SAN-YVR-SAN service is tied in with the 2nd SAN-YYZ flight which is probably going to disappear (as it's scheduled to) sometime this Fall.
Actual competition sure would be wonderful but we'll have to see how it plays out...
bb
lindy field wrote:Hi all,
Is there likely to be any trouble servicing the two European flights at the same time, in terms of gate or ramp space?
fsafsx wrote:San Diego to Flint should become a nonstop on Alaska or Spirit.
787fan8 wrote:Are there any chances of HU adding PEK-SAN? HU has been in expansion mode the past 5 years and it wouldn't surprise me if SAN was somewhere in their shortlist.
SANAV8R wrote:My wild cards are: Norwegian to LGW or CDG (they serve OAK, LAS, LAX why not SAN); Copa to PTY or seasonal AC Rouge to YUL (we already have YVR, YYZ, YYC)
SANAV8R wrote:With all the expansion of intl service, could they not take demolish the remaining NTC structures along McCain and expand the ramp and Terminal 2 to the edge of the water? It'd be good to have a purpose built FIS bank of gates rather than a tack-on addition like they have now?
SANAV8R wrote:My wild cards are: Norwegian to LGW or CDG (they serve OAK, LAS, LAX why not SAN); Copa to PTY or seasonal AC Rouge to YUL (we already have YVR, YYZ, YYC)
friendlyskies22 wrote:Hi SanFan: Has there been any recent discussion on moving SAN to NKX (Miramar)? Everyone knows the facility/location shortcomings at SAN, and NKX resolves most of those shortcomings, including excellent freeway access, double runways, huge amounts of open space to the east and west.
tmiw wrote:I'm partial to the bi-national airport idea combining TIJ and SDM but that's not going to happen either.
SANFan wrote:fsafsx wrote:San Diego to Flint should become a nonstop on Alaska or Spirit.
Not a request/hope I've heard before!
According to DOT figures, the daily TOTAL pax traffic between Flint and SAN is right around 25; that puts the existing PDEW at ~13. Even considering leakage, if there is any, it would still be a mighty small number.
Sorry, that route isn't going to happen via AS, NK or any other of the majors. The best (only) chance I see of anything ever between SAN & FNT might be, sometime in the future, a couple of flights a week on Allegiant. This would assume that someday SAN becomes a major destination for the carrier and with a current total of only 4 routes from Lindbergh Field, that seems like a distant dream...
If it's any consolation, one day SAN could possibly see another carrier fly nonstop to DTW, and IMO, the 2 airlines you mentioned, AS and NK, might be considered very good candidates for that.
bb
washingtonflyer wrote:SDM is mentioned often, but from what I heard, dedicated operations cannot be down owing Mount Otay and the other mountains to the east of SDM.
My proposed usage for SDM envisioned moving all the cargo ops to SDM - FedEx and UPS already have large cargo operations at Otay for the CBP border crossing. So, why not combine them with cargo operations? With only five or six cargo movements a day, I don't see why they couldnt do a 8L arrival and 26R departure.