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redrooster3 wrote:Effective November 1st, SAN will have a Hard Closure in effect from Midnight to 5AM for complete resurfacing of the runway. Last complete resurface was year 2000, and it is over-due. There will be no exceptions if the flights are ETA minutes past midnight, they will have to divert and be bused down. Our first victim was our beloved queen--British Airways. A 5.5 hour mechanical led the plane arriving at around 1115pm local time, thus forcing the plane to be overnighted at the north ramp. It is scheduled to depart 1PM local time, posting a 16.5H delay. Aircraft is G-CIVH. Another thing to note, is BA is sending a premium-heavy 747 in here, which surprises me. Is that's all that's left in BAs 744 fleet are premium heavy 744s?
SANFan wrote:757SanCam wrote:Sunday morning, UA CEO Oscar Munoz was on my flight from IAH to SAN. I thanked him for getting UA on the right track and the continued improved service after he was appointed CEO. I don't know the reason for his visit, but hopefully, more service here. I see lots of threads about other carriers here but very little about UA. As a MP member, I'd like to see some growth with UA here. I fly weekly in the fall and occasionally other times of the year and the morning bank to hubs seem to be running at capacity or near capacity. Maybe some point to point too if there is data to support and resources to support this.
From what I understand, UA does a very good business here and SAN is one of their largest non-hub stations (by seats offered as well as profits I believe.) But pretty much all we have ever been is a large, successful spoke for the carrier with absolutely nothing offered in p-2-p flying -- except of course for the occasional failure of another SAN-HNL attempt... If only they (or DL for that matter) would make a serious attempt at the route, they might be surprised! Like I think WN is about to do...
Next year will (finally) see a great addition to SAN's Star Alliance portfolio in the arrival of Lufthansa! I can't think of any service changes for UA that their arrival would indicate -- even Hawaii is already well connected to FRA via LA and SFO. Really about the only thing I could think might happen at Lindbergh on UA would be some larger aircraft on the hub routes? Or else added frequency? PS service to the east coast? Maybe Munoz is bringing his executive tape measure to see how big an airplane UA could regularly fly to SAN? Or if he can wangle another gate or 2 out of the SDIA real estate department (since things will really be changing next year in T2W due to the new FIS facilities?
He's probably out here on vacation.
I'd love to think of UA adding some p-2-p flying here, be it domestic or, gulp, international. CO used to fly SAN-MEX once upon a time. Shuttle by UA used to fly to OAK and SMF from here. Not for connections, just O&D and we know there's plenty of that available. I know, chances of any of this are about the same as the Padres winning a World Series...
But let's remember that DL is apparently thinking about more int'l p-2-p flying from non-hubs (e.g., IND-CDG) so who knows what UA might be considering?
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flymco753 wrote:Hey SANFan, NK just added DTW-SAN like we predicted.
SANFan wrote:I feel like it’ll be an A321 before it even starts, I truly believe it’ll be a hit. I also feel like it’ll go year round too, plenty of room yearly for the route, nonetheless I’m excited and look forward to the inaugural!flymco753 wrote:Hey SANFan, NK just added DTW-SAN like we predicted.
I'm happy to see the announcement for sure, fly'. I'm extra pleased that all flights are daytime, but a bit disappointed that the route is indicated as 'seasonal', along with the fact that the service is not actually daily until June, despite the pr announcing the route as daily from the get-go on 4/23/18.
The 'seasonal' thing will hopefully get sorted out before next fall and the route will continue all year. It's really quite ridiculous to lump SAN-DTW in with the new SEA and PDX flights that are (understandably) seasonal.
Despite those minor issues, it is great to finally see much-needed competition for DL on SAN-DTW. AAG seems to be missing out on a number of routes that would be perfect for them but are being gobbled up by WN, F9, NK, etc.
So even though NK was not my first choice for the route, I'm very glad to see them going for it!
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SANMAN66 wrote:I'm not sure if anyone has heard the news, Hawaiian will be starting up SAN-OGG with their brand new A321neo starting May-1 next year. I saw the announcement last night, but can't remember what website. This will be in addition to the SAN-HNL flight, (I'm hoping they'll keep the A330).
san747 wrote:I think for ATS. Possible precursor to AF or Joon?
SANMAN66 wrote:san747 wrote:I think for ATS. Possible precursor to AF or Joon?
What is ATS? It sure would be great if this was a precursor to AF or JOON, maybe when
the new FIS facilities are completed we would hear more int'l announcements? Do AF
have plans for JOON to go longhaul?
SANMAN66 wrote:san747 wrote:I think for ATS. Possible precursor to AF or Joon?
What is ATS? It sure would be great if this was a precursor to AF or JOON, maybe when
the new FIS facilities are completed we would hear more int'l announcements? Do AF
have plans for JOON to go longhaul?
gollumSD wrote:Just read the thread about Hainan expansion in the US in 2018. SAN is mention frequently as a likely candidate for a direct flight to either Shanghai or Beijing; what do you guys think?
amadorE175 wrote:I don't think HU plan for TIJ has moved forward. There doesn't seem to have been any news after the first mention of it.
SANFan wrote:
And finally, let's not forget about Latin America which, AFAIK, remains a major destination goal of SDIA. I hear no rumors about this area but I'm sure it remains a top priority.
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JAAlbert wrote:I am also excited by talk of a "French Connection." I hope this comes about!
let's not forget about Latin America which, AFAIK, remains a major destination goal of SDIA. I hear no rumors about this area but I'm sure it remains a top priority.
amadorE175 wrote:PR is a frustrating case since they've talked about SAN on and off for a few years now. I think if PR firms up options for additional A350s MNL-SAN becomes more likely. As it is, it looks like the 6 they current have on order will be busy on MNL-JFK, MNL-LHR, and a possible resumption of CEB-LAX.
SANMAN66 wrote:Bob, I know you mentioned that you were following the Philippine thread, I'm glad talk of SAN has come up again. I'll check out the Philippine thread.
SANMAN66 wrote:I thought all talk about serving SAN was dead, since JAL started up SAN-NRT and PAL seemed to have lost all interest in serving SAN.
Devilfish wrote:LAX is just a couple of hours away (on a good day) up on the I-5 or I-405. Fares would need to be much higher and load factors have to be ~85%+ consistently for the venture to be profitable.
redrooster3 wrote:Virgin has indeed moved, Taking Gate 26 from AAL. Alaska will be moving to T2E as well, Pushing AA to its minimum allowed gates at this airport. Which will be 6. AA will move to gates 29-34. ASA will move and have 20, 21, 24, 26, 28.
amadorE175 wrote:redrooster3 wrote:Virgin has indeed moved, Taking Gate 26 from AAL. Alaska will be moving to T2E as well, Pushing AA to its minimum allowed gates at this airport. Which will be 6. AA will move to gates 29-34. ASA will move and have 20, 21, 24, 26, 28.
Do you know when they're moving? Seems like having full use of 20 and 21 would be an issue until the FIS moves to T2W in S18.
SANFan wrote:BTW, can anyone out there provide us with any updates on not only the FIS project (and its hopeful 6-month-away completion!)
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redrooster3 wrote:[. HAL's A321neo is in town. Flew in and proceeded to Gate 51 for crew familiarization.
SANMAN66 wrote:SANFan wrote:BTW, can anyone out there provide us with any updates on not only the FIS project (and its hopeful 6-month-away completion!)
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I would love to see some pictures of the new FIS under constuction,and the progress on the new parking plaza. I saw in a SAN newsletter a couple months ago that they are starting to install art in the parking plaza, one art piece was inspired by the many palm-lined streets in town.
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I assume the first phase of the project will be completed on time, in June 2018. I hope that is holding true.
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USAOZ wrote:Didn't see anything above about the rumoured expansion of international services at Tij which will mean that cbx will get busier & become a 2nd airport for san diego. Would suit long haul lcc's. With slight rearrangement of gates at tij would make it very easy to fly out of cbx. No need to enter mexico. Or pay any u.s taxes/charges except to cross the bridge
USAOZ wrote:Didn't see anything above about the rumoured expansion of international services at Tij which will mean that cbx will get busier & become a 2nd airport for san diego. Would suit long haul lcc's. With slight rearrangement of gates at tij would make it very easy to fly out of cbx. No need to enter mexico. Or pay any u.s taxes/charges except to cross the bridge
SANAV8R wrote:TIJ is an airport in Mexico with a convenient toll-bridge land crossing from the U.S. to service the markets of U.S. travelers to connect to the Mexican domestic air market and for Mexican travelers wanting to visit San Diego (and Southern California). You must enter Mexico to use the facilities as the airport is located wholly within Mexico. Which means you would pay Mexican departure taxes for international flights and any applicable domestic flight fees.
It is not a bi-national airport, nor, will it become one due to various political, bureaucratic and security factors ever become one. Tijuana's airport needs some improvements; it has smaller waiting areas, security facilities and check-in areas as well as limited lounge and retail space.
International service to Tijuana has been intermittent for years. During the 70s and 80s some small local commuter airlines serviced TIJ from SAN and LAX. Also Aeromexico, Aero California and Mexicana used it as a intermittent stop to LAX off and on until they had longer range jets and eliminated the stops. It wasn't until 2006 that an intercontinental route was established and that was more on a technical basis, MEX-TIJ-NRT, and eventually MEX-TIJ-PVG. But because of improving aircraft technology, the stops have widely been abandoned on the eastbound flights. MEX-NRT is nonstop; ICN routes are flown via MTY on the westbound journey and PVG via TIJ.
It will be interesting how long Volaris keeps its TIJ-GUA, MGA, SAL flights. If Volaris can manage to pull some travelers who might use one stops on SAN to Central America; then you might see a few other flights to say SJO, PTY, TGU. Although I'm more apt to believe that SJO and PTY flights will come to SAN first.
SANMAN66 wrote:As much as I wanted to see PAL serving SAN, but from what I hear, JAL is taking care of the Manila-bound
pax from SAN, I heard they are connecting through NRT.
SANFan wrote:Even though it's a real soft 'maybe', it's still nice to see/hear that PR has at least been thinking/wondering about MNL-SAN in some form. I appreciate reading this discussion with some folks quite familiar with the issues concerning the potential route.
Devilfish wrote:there are at least some noises that SAN may see PR metal via HNL..
SANFan wrote:Who'd a thunk it possible so quickly
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