unother wrote:I'll have to preach on — as an ex-smoker tell your friend to use the experience to quit, especially as California is very un-friendly to tobacco smokers.
AlitaliaA346 wrote:Last but not least, do you think that cabin crews and pilots ever smoke on board?
MAH4546 wrote:One lasts puff in the smoking area? LAX, like almost every U.S. airport, has no "smoking areas."
CrimsonNL wrote:Honestly I think it's rather disrespectful to us ground staff. While I don't suffer from asthma or lung conditions, I do have the right by Dutch law to have a smoke-free workplace.
Beatyair wrote:It was horrible back then. A cloud of smoke over the entire plane from both passenger and Flight attendants. Glad it's gone.
Your friend may have issues at the airport as well, as many are non-smoking. Buy the nicotine gum for the trip, who knows it may help him quit.
acabgd wrote:That of course is stupid as I've seen my share of very drunk passengers and there are no calls for banning serving alcohol in airport bars (or on planes as a matter of fact).
One thing smoking on board was good for back in the old days was for mechanics to quickly find any leakage in the airframe, as the tar from the smoke would leave a telltale trace.
acabgd wrote:I am a smoker and the pilots at my airline are still allowed to smoke in cockpit. The doors are closed nowadays anyway.
TWA772LR wrote:Yes, it's disgusting in there. Doesn't ATL have one too?I know IAD has smoking rooms as I was just transiting through there about a month ago
lightsaber wrote:Overall, a very balanced post. I appreciate your input. However, smoking net increased the maintenance and cleaning costs, so from an airline operations perspective, you want to ban it.
lightsaber wrote:However, due to the airports layout, that is not sufficient. Even as a non-smoker, I believe in being fair.
Cush wrote:As a fellow smoker, I really disrespect the fact that so many US Airports do not offer smoking lounges. I actually travel (mostly trans atlantic) 4-5 times per year, and will ONLY connect via airports that offer smoking lounges. Through all of my travels, i have learned where you can and cannot smoke. It is really a shame that more US airports aren't like the EU in that respect. In Frankfurt, there is a smoking lounge almost every 10 feet. haha.
quiet1 wrote:I remember the HNL-NRT flights, which were 95% Japanese passengers, in the "Good Old Days." Not only was E-zone on the 747 smoking, for a while, so was half of D-zone.
acabgd wrote:quiet1 wrote:I remember the HNL-NRT flights, which were 95% Japanese passengers, in the "Good Old Days." Not only was E-zone on the 747 smoking, for a while, so was half of D-zone.
Yeah, Japanese are very heavy smokers even nowadays so I can only imagine it was a nightmare.
enzedder wrote:i remember lots of smokers seating in the non smoking section and just occasionally walking to the back of the plaine to the smoking section to sit in one of the seats that was not accupied to have a puff. if travelling with a family the smoking family member would do so for example.
eielef wrote:But also is a fact that the smoke of a car engine hurts you as well, and they don't ban it. Or a nuclear plant.
Well, technically you're on foreign soil when entering a foreign plane, so your Dutch law right might not apply there.
I believe it also violates the ICAO standard on inflight smoking.
eielef wrote:I believe it was first in Canada and the US they decided ban on smoking in planes. Well, they also banned smoking on restaurants, on bars, on busses, on cinemas, etc. They say it hurts people around you, and that is a fact. But also is a fact that the smoke of a car engine hurts you as well, and they don't ban it. Or a nuclear plant.
So, as a smoker who doesn't want to quit smoking, but is heavily committed to be in the law, I even ask if smoking is allowed in a given place where I'm not sure.
I was this week in Slovakia, a EU country (a pretty amazing one), and smoking is allowed everywhere. You cross to Austria and there is a smoking ban on every place. Even cigarettes (Winston 20, for 2,90Eur) costs over twice in Vienna (6Eur).
Is there any logic? I pay taxes, really heavy on my habits, as you pay taxes on fuel, or on alcohol, or on BigMacs. But at least, allow me to do it, legally, in some normal places.
For instance. In the US in almost all restaurants they sell you alcohol, at any time. Also on shops, petrol stations and supermarkets. Also with cigarettes, you can buy them, but the problem is not getting them, is finding a place where you are allowed to smoke. Alcohol is as big a problem as tobacco. And worse are drugs, though now in some places they are legal (sort of, e.g. AZ or CA)
I strongly disagree with that rule that doesn't allow you to smoke legally, cigarettes that you bought legally, paying really high taxes, and you are not allowed to enjoy anywhere...
Not even in a smoker lounge or terrace in an airport.
767333ER wrote:Maybe to put it into perspective: If you inhale the exhaust emissions from your car directly and in a closed environment, the carbon monoxide can kill you within minutes. On the other hand, smoking kills you over long periods of time, depending on how much you smoke. I used to smoke 15 Marlboro Lights a day, and I'm happy that I quit over seven years ago.As stated before, cigarette of any tobacco smoke is far more carcinogenic and toxic than car exhaust or the harmless water vapour a correctly functioning nuclear plant produces.
I am a smoker and the pilots at my airline are still allowed to smoke in cockpit. The doors are closed nowadays anyway.
pwm2txlhopper wrote:For your friend... Un-unflavored e-cig. Go vape in the restroom, as to not draw attention. Even the airlines are jumping on the bandwagon banning vaping these days. Secondhand steam isn't going to harm anybody though. Especially, if they never notice and can't start a fake coughing act.
A few years ago, before vaping was getting banned, i'd just use the cartridges that produce no visible vapor and have no floor. I'd discreetly use it right at my seat and nobody ever noticed because it didn't produce the visible appearance of what looks like smoke.
acabgd wrote:Well, technically you're on foreign soil when entering a foreign plane, so your Dutch law right might not apply there.
In a couple of weeks I am travelling to Los Angeles from Rome, with a friend who is a heavy smoker! Of course he knows he will have to resist for 13+ hours, he will have one last puff right before boarding in the smoking area. But this whole thing sparked my curiosity as I am young and don't remember those days in which people could smoke on board planes. I do realize that it is very disturbing thing to non-smoker and together with a more conscious culture we have reached current regulations. But I was wondering if smoking on planes was also an issue for airlines and managing fleets and interiors: smells, spots of ash on seats, walls, and floor, filter issues, worse tear on seats and so on! if you guys wanna let me know anything on how it was when people could smoke on planes (divided sections or whatever, I really don't know) I'd love to hear about that. And also, if anyone of you smokes as well and has recommendations for my friend, please share them! Last but not least, do you think that cabin crews and pilots ever smoke on board? I feel that if you are conscious(crews really should be!!!) there is not going to be a flame because of that!
Thanks in advance for your answers!
PatrickZ80 wrote:It was really horrible in those days, but it was a different culture. Back then almost everybody smoked, nowadays that's far less. I don't smoke myself, but someone once told me smoking is like eating garlic. It stinks, but if you smoke yourself you won't smell it anymore. Therefor in those days there were almost no complaints about it.
As an advice for your friend I can only suggest nicotine piasters or nicotine chewing gum, and suggest him to stop smoking.
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