divemaster08
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BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:49 am

Cant see any news on this, but here goes,

1st July, BA will be switching from the 767 to the 777 on our route from LHR-NAS-GCM. There are only now 4 LH configured aircraft now in the BA 767 fleet.
From what I can see, it looks like these aircraft are just used on 3 routes, BWI, NAS-GCM and CAI (obviously all from LHR).

Will this date for us also mean the end of the 767 LH fleet? Will these aircraft be converted to European config for the rest of the year or are they to be sent out to the scrappers. I know the plan was to have retired the whole 767 fleet by

Some of the rarer 767s out there as they are RR equipped birds!
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:56 am

The fact they have RR engines has undoubtedly played a role in why almost none of these has moved to another airline and instead have dates with the scrap man.
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:15 am

divemaster08 wrote:
Cant see any news on this, but here goes,

1st July, BA will be switching from the 767 to the 777 on our route from LHR-NAS-GCM. There are only now 4 LH configured aircraft now in the BA 767 fleet.
From what I can see, it looks like these aircraft are just used on 3 routes, BWI, NAS-GCM and CAI (obviously all from LHR).

Will this date for us also mean the end of the 767 LH fleet? Will these aircraft be converted to European config for the rest of the year or are they to be sent out to the scrappers. I know the plan was to have retired the whole 767 fleet by

Some of the rarer 767s out there as they are RR equipped birds!


The withdrawal is phased over two months, the last route to change isn't until the beginning of August. This is linked to the delivery of new 789s which allow a fleet reshuffle to happen.
There is no intention to convert any long haul 763s to shorthaul, indeed the shorthaul ones have less than two years left. What may happen is that one or more longhaul ones move over to OpenSkies, the BA/IAG subsidiary flying transatlantic out of Paris with 757s.
Opinions vary as to whether this would be a permanent move or is simply to cover heavy overhauls on the 757s.
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:22 pm

Sad to see the Rollers-equipped 767s go... They were lovely, and sounded amazing...
Hopefully some will join OpenSkies??

On a side note, I seem to remember that back in the day, one Chinese airline also ordered RB211s for their 767s...was it CAAC?
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:41 am

I remember flying on BA 767s in about 1994 or so between LHR and CDG. Such a big plane for a short flight. Sad to see them go, even for short-haul Euro destinations. :(
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:17 am

oldannyboy wrote:
Sad to see the Rollers-equipped 767s go... They were lovely, and sounded amazing...
Hopefully some will join OpenSkies??

On a side note, I seem to remember that back in the day, one Chinese airline also ordered RB211s for their 767s...was it CAAC?


Apart from BA's 28 763s, the only others with R-R engines were 3 for China Eastern Yunnan Airlines (which later merged with China Eastern). They're no longer at China Eastern.
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:21 pm

oldannyboy wrote:
Sad to see the Rollers-equipped 767s go... They were lovely, and sounded amazing...
Hopefully some will join OpenSkies??

On a side note, I seem to remember that back in the day, one Chinese airline also ordered RB211s for their 767s...was it CAAC?


4 of them are going over to OpenSkies. I am currently booked on one ORY-EWR in September...
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:03 pm

usflyer msp wrote:

4 of them are going over to OpenSkies. I am currently booked on one ORY-EWR in September...


Actually, I'm fairly sure only one of them will be transferred to Openskies come August. Interestingly, it's G-BNWI (to become F-HILU), which is the oldest of BA's LH 767 fleet, having first flown nearly 26 years ago! In comparison, the youngest long-haul 767, G-BNWY (which I flew on last week and is in great condition) is "only" 20 years old. I wonder why they only opted for the oldest one...

I'd sure like to see what EC would do with 4 767's, though!

CO764 :)
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:30 pm

The last LHR-NAS-GCM on 767 is June 29th. Effective July 1st, that route is getting 777 service.

Source: BA.com reservation system.
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:25 pm

Last BA 767 LHR-CAI is 30 July, and last LHR-BWI is on 31 July, both routes go to 788 with occasional 772s to CAI. As these are overnight routes, the last departures in the other direction will be one day later.

Same data source.
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:20 pm

The selection of the aircraft selected to be transferred to EC is not likely to be based on its age, total airframe hours or total rotations. It is more likely to be the aircraft with the longest period between the transfer date and the date of its next major scheduled maintenance, that is a 'B' or 'C' Check.
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:29 am

usflyer msp wrote:
oldannyboy wrote:
Sad to see the Rollers-equipped 767s go... They were lovely, and sounded amazing...
Hopefully some will join OpenSkies??

On a side note, I seem to remember that back in the day, one Chinese airline also ordered RB211s for their 767s...was it CAAC?


4 of them are going over to OpenSkies. I am currently booked on one ORY-EWR in September...


oh, good to know that, thanks. :)
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:02 am

The LHR-BWI flight gets the 788 upgrade on August 1
Next flight: November 23 BA216 IAD-LHR A388
November 24 BA814 LHR-CPH A320

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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:40 am

I note mention of BA being about the only airline with 767s fitted with the Rolls Royce engine. Was this done for

- operational considerations (field length/temperature, climb rates, that sort of thing)?
- fleet commonality with other aircraft in the fleet?
- "Buy British"?
- an engine shop most comfortable with working on RR engines?
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:36 am

WesternDC6B wrote:
I note mention of BA being about the only airline with 767s fitted with the Rolls Royce engine. Was this done for

- operational considerations (field length/temperature, climb rates, that sort of thing)?
- fleet commonality with other aircraft in the fleet?
- "Buy British"?
- an engine shop most comfortable with working on RR engines?


Fleet commonality, mostly.
By the time these planes were ordered, BA was no longer state-owned, so Buy British had been replaced by Gain Shareholder Value. In any case, given BA's then large fleet of 737s, which by definition didn't come with RR engines, or much else British either, efficiency and cost had been important for some time.
There is some value in having local suppliers though - better access to technical resources, faster turnround on spares.
As for the engine shop - BA's engine overhaul facility was sold to, wait for it, GE in 1991. The first 763s arrived at BA in 1990, so there might be some influence there, but for very many years overhauls of RR engines for BA have been done by RR themselves.
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:00 am

Which short haul routes get a B767?.
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:30 am

bennett123 wrote:
Which short haul routes get a B767?.


Off the top of my head, Madrid, Rome, Stockholm, Frankfurt, Larnaca, Athens, Istanbul. I'm sure there are others.
A306, A318, A319, A320, A321, A332, A333, A343, A346, A388, B722, B732, B733, B734, B735, B73G, B738, B742, B744, B752, B753, B762, B763, B764, B772, B773, B77W, B787-8, BAe-146, Cessna Something, DC-10, E175, E195, ERJ145, MD-11, MD-80, PA Something
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:39 am

bennett123 wrote:
Which short haul routes get a B767?.

The 7 short haul 763s currently fly the following patterns (it changes slightly during the winter timetable including an overnight @ FCO for one of the frames as well as an early morning AMS turn):
1) LHR-FCO-LHR-ARN-LHR
2) EDI-LHR-IST-LHR
3) LHR-FRA-LHR-LCA-LHR
4) LHR-MAD-LHR-ATH-LHR
5) LHR-EDI-LHR-FCO-LHR-EDI
6) LHR-FCO-LHR-MAD-LHR
7) LHR-ATH-LHR (this one is not daily)
A
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:43 am

I'm curious to know the fate of EDI in all this.

Will they see a 787 night stopping now to pick up the demand? Would like to think so.
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:57 am

AMS sees a short houl 767-300ER very regularly in the mornings.
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:13 am

BOCHORA wrote:
I'm curious to know the fate of EDI in all this.

Will they see a 787 night stopping now to pick up the demand? Would like to think so.


As the short-haul 767s will be around for 2 more years, you won't see anything different right now. It is the long haul ones that leave in the next 5 weeks.
But BA domestic flights are one-class seating and a BA A321ceo holds 205 passengers in one-class configuration. A321neos are on order to replace the short haul 763s - we don't know how many seats the neos will have..
Using a 788 is actually worse than an A321 as they have a total of 204 seats, even a 789 only has 216 seats with BA.
By contrast a BA shorthaul 763 in all-economy configuration holds 259 passengers.
However BA has 3 other London flights from Edinburgh around the time the morning 767 leaves, two to LCY and one to LGW, and LHR slots aren't in such short supply to BA that another LHR flight might not be possible if demand justified it - at the moment LHR flights are mostly hourly and the two flights after the 767 are A319s, so could be upgauged if necessary.
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:26 pm

Andy33 wrote:
WesternDC6B wrote:
I note mention of BA being about the only airline with 767s fitted with the Rolls Royce engine. Was this done for

- operational considerations (field length/temperature, climb rates, that sort of thing)?
- fleet commonality with other aircraft in the fleet?
- "Buy British"?
- an engine shop most comfortable with working on RR engines?


Fleet commonality, mostly.
By the time these planes were ordered, BA was no longer state-owned, so Buy British had been replaced by Gain Shareholder Value. In any case, given BA's then large fleet of 737s, which by definition didn't come with RR engines, or much else British either, efficiency and cost had been important for some time.
There is some value in having local suppliers though - better access to technical resources, faster turnround on spares.
As for the engine shop - BA's engine overhaul facility was sold to, wait for it, GE in 1991. The first 763s arrived at BA in 1990, so there might be some influence there, but for very many years overhauls of RR engines for BA have been done by RR themselves.


Also the RB211-524G/H is interchangeable between their 747-400 and 767 fleets (Well the -524G is 744 only but it's only a software derate). As they both came around the same time and they eventually had big fleets of each I suppose it made sense to have a common engine type. I'm not 100% but I believe the GE CF6-80C2 is also Interchangeable between 744 and 763. If so I suppose they could have went either way.
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:08 pm

CO764 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:

4 of them are going over to OpenSkies. I am currently booked on one ORY-EWR in September...


Actually, I'm fairly sure only one of them will be transferred to Openskies come August. Interestingly, it's G-BNWI (to become F-HILU), which is the oldest of BA's LH 767 fleet, having first flown nearly 26 years ago! In comparison, the youngest long-haul 767, G-BNWY (which I flew on last week and is in great condition) is "only" 20 years old. I wonder why they only opted for the oldest one...

I'd sure like to see what EC would do with 4 767's, though!

CO764 :)


I thought it was only one frame going over to OpenSkies while the 757s were being overhauled? F-HILU is a strange choice of registration seeing that G-BPEK became F-GPEK.
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:44 pm

vhqpa wrote:
Andy33 wrote:
WesternDC6B wrote:
I note mention of BA being about the only airline with 767s fitted with the Rolls Royce engine. Was this done for

- operational considerations (field length/temperature, climb rates, that sort of thing)?
- fleet commonality with other aircraft in the fleet?
- "Buy British"?
- an engine shop most comfortable with working on RR engines?


Fleet commonality, mostly.
By the time these planes were ordered, BA was no longer state-owned, so Buy British had been replaced by Gain Shareholder Value. In any case, given BA's then large fleet of 737s, which by definition didn't come with RR engines, or much else British either, efficiency and cost had been important for some time.
There is some value in having local suppliers though - better access to technical resources, faster turnround on spares.
As for the engine shop - BA's engine overhaul facility was sold to, wait for it, GE in 1991. The first 763s arrived at BA in 1990, so there might be some influence there, but for very many years overhauls of RR engines for BA have been done by RR themselves.


Also the RB211-524G/H is interchangeable between their 747-400 and 767 fleets (Well the -524G is 744 only but it's only a software derate). As they both came around the same time and they eventually had big fleets of each I suppose it made sense to have a common engine type. I'm not 100% but I believe the GE CF6-80C2 is also Interchangeable between 744 and 763. If so I suppose they could have went either way.

With 57 747-436 and 28 767-336ER aircraft at the peak of both fleets that was 284 RR RB211-524G/H engines BA had, not counting however many spares it also acquired.

It would have been higher still were it not for BA cancelling 747-436s in the late 1990s - one of the reasons BA took the G-YMMx birds with RR Trent engines is because it was cancelling 747s with RR engines. (This was a similar reason China Yunnan ended up with three RR RB211 powered 767-3W0ER aircraft - they replaced RR RB211 757 aircraft. Taking RR engines on the 767 avoided a cancellation fee with RR.)
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:49 pm

I wonder what the actual plan here is? Is it only one 767 frame to OpenSkies or more? Are the 757s being retained or retired. One things for sure as BNWI is entering service with OpenSkies in a matter of weeks and it's still currently in mainline service I can't imagine any or if any very minor changes to her before she heads for ORY.
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:09 pm

[/quote]

4 of them are going over to OpenSkies. I am currently booked on one ORY-EWR in September...[/quote]

Does anyone know what will happen to the Open Skies 757s once the 767s arrive? A source of additional 757s for Aer Lingus possibly??
 
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Re: BA's Last 767 Longhaul flights

Wed Jul 06, 2016 6:06 pm

There's still 757s in the schedule well into next year operating the JFK route. Maybe the leased and older PW powered ex A0 frames will be retired leaving F-GPEK in service thus giving OpenSkies a 757/767 RB211 powered fleet. There currently doesn't currently seem demand for 4 767s in the schedule unless expansion is imminent.

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