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June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:00 pm

Greetings everyone

I was wondering if we could pool an updated definitive list of all current domestic widebodies, over the last few months, the situation has changed a bit, and I recently booked IAH-DEN on a 787, so I'll start with that. I know that they now also have EWR-LAX but I am unsure about other UA 787 LAX/SFO flights as I wasn't able to find any. AA also switched ORD-DFW to ORD-LAX. I am especially curious to see what DL is up to. They have an A330 from JFK to LAX, but where is that mythical 77L from ATL to LAX? All contributations appreciated, Thanks!
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies (updated list)

Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:32 pm

These markets all had more than 20RT's scheduled on Widebodies. I only included intra-Lower48.
AA:
DFW-LAX
DFW-MIA
DFW-ORD
JFK-MIA
JFK-ORD
LAX-MIA
LAX-ORD
MCO-MIA
MIA-ORD
MIA-PHL
MIA-SFO

DL:
ATL-JFK
ATL-LAX
ATL-MSP
ATL-SAN
ATL-SEA
ATL-SFO
ATL-SLC
DTW-LAX
DTW-SFO
JFK-LAX
JFK-PDX
JFK-SFO
LAX-MSP
MSP-SFO

UA:
DEN-IAH
EWR-IAH
EWR-LAX
EWR-ORD
EWR-SFO
IAD-LAX
IAD-SFO
IAH-ORD
IAH-SFO
ORD-SFO
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies (updated list)

Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:39 pm

Booked a client on a July 20th LAX-MIA ( AA 68)
and it shows 77W as the equipment.

Wasn't aware AA did any domestic flights with their biggest birds
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies (updated list)

Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:59 pm

KTPAFlyer wrote:
Greetings everyone

I was wondering if we could pool an updated definitive list of all current domestic widebodies, over the last few months, the situation has changed a bit, and I recently booked IAH-DEN on a 787, so I'll start with that. I know that they now also have EWR-LAX but I am unsure about other UA 787 LAX/SFO flights as I wasn't able to find any. AA also switched ORD-DFW to ORD-LAX. I am especially curious to see what DL is up to. They have an A330 from JFK to LAX, but where is that mythical 77L from ATL to LAX? :?: All contributations appreciated, Thanks!


Supposedly UA is only temporarily running widebodies on p.s. routes (LAX/SFO-EWR), so let's see how many stick around. Perhaps some of the converted 777s will end up there on a more permanent basis. Doubt we'll see too many LAX-SFO wide body flights outside of occasional spare transfers. DL has the domestic 767s for ATL-LAX, perhaps domestic wide body flying is the one area where UA has an edge over DL and AA for now, especially when it comes to flatbed seats as opposed to recliners. It would be nice to see DL and AA expand flat seat products to non-SFO/LAX-NYC markets, more hub to hub a la AA LAX-MIA.

Rdh3e wrote:
These markets all had more than 20RT's scheduled on Widebodies. I only included intra-Lower48.


Nice list. It's fairly comprehensive, and even if we include other places like HI it doesn't leave out much since AA, DL and UA have all reduced their wide body flying to HI and now regulary send 738s/321s there.

It'll be interesting to see what happens there once HA is done coverting their wide bodies to flat beds, my prediction is that they'll really kick some tail there in the markets they serve, perhaps even forcing the others to upgauge once more.

@sooner787 - Nice change for your client. More people on domestic U.S. trips should be able to experience flat bed seating. Makes sense given the length of some domestic trips. Time for the U.S. to catch up with Asia, the Middle East and parts of Latin America ;- )
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies (updated list)

Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:21 pm

The DL JFK/PDX seems kind of odd...you would think they would send it to SEA to connect to all the Asia traffic, plus mail and cargo downstairs. All their other domestic widebodies are intra hub or from hubs to major international points of entry/business destinations .As an FYI... for a month from mid May to mid June UA was running a 767-400 EWR/MCO and IAD/MCO twice a week as well.
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies (updated list)

Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:30 pm

tsnamm wrote:
The DL JFK/PDX seems kind of odd...you would think they would send it to SEA to connect to all the Asia traffic, plus mail and cargo downstairs. All their other domestic widebodies are intra hub or from hubs to major international points of entry/business destinations .As an FYI... for a month from mid May to mid June UA was running a 767-400 EWR/MCO and IAD/MCO twice a week as well.


JFK - PDX is probably to rotate the plane in and out from PDX - NRT
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies (updated list)

Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:32 pm

Nice catch, I completely forgot about the MIA-LAX 77W, I have flown out of TPA to MIA and flew this once actually. Also, what about foreign/Canada domestic widebodies? I believe AC flies a 787 from YYZ to YVR, CX flies JFK-YVR, and QF flies LAX-JFK. Does anybody know if it's possible to book QF domestic or is it still blocked off? If not, are there any domestic 744? I know UA had some running ORD-SFO not too long ago, although I can't confirm this.
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies (updated list)

Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:35 pm

I'll just add Hawaii quickly for the hell of it

AA
DFW-HNL
DFW-OGG

UA
ORD-HNL
ORD-OGG
EWR-HNL
IAD-HNL
IAH-HNL
SFO-HNL
LAX-HNL
DEN-HNL
HNL-GUM

DL
ATL-HNL
SLC-HNL
LAX-HNL

HA
HNL-LAX
HNL-SFO
HNL-SJC
HNL-OAK
HNL-PDX
HNL-SEA
HNL-SAN
HNL-SMF
HNL-LAS
HNL-PHX
HNL-JFK
OGG-LAX
OGG-SEA
OGG-SFO
OGG-SJC
OGG-OAK
LIH-LAX
LIH-OAK
KOA-LAX
KOA-OAK
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies (updated list)

Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:04 pm

JFK - PDX is probably to rotate the plane in and out from PDX - NRT[/quote]

Yes - this is correct. The airplane keeps a tight schedule, arriving at PDX from NRT at 9am, departing for JFK at 10:30, arriving JFK at 6:45, and then lately it has been doing a late Europe outbound from JFK like AGP around 10pm local.

At NRT, the only other 767-300ER coming in from the east is the late HNL. So they probably think it makes more sense from a reliability perspective to have multiple ways to route 763s through NRT, and the obvious way to do that is pull a European airplane, fly it to PDX, and then feed NRT that way.
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies (updated list)

Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:28 pm

KTPAFlyer wrote:
Also, what about foreign/Canada domestic widebodies? I believe AC flies a 787 from YYZ to YVR, CX flies JFK-YVR, and QF flies LAX-JFK.

I saw the AC 787 sitting at the gate at EWR a week or so ago waiting to do the EWR-YVR flight.

How long this rather odd use of equipment will last is anyone's guess though!
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies (updated list)

Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:58 pm

Yeah, speaking of odd use of equipment, there is the MIA-MCO 763 shuttle which is my personal favorite! And at TPA, there is only one *domestic widebody which is the AC Rouge 763 (I say domestic because it is pre cleared in YYZ and arrives at the domestic DL terminal, but it's not a true domestic, and seasonal at that)
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies (Update)

Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:13 am

I was checking ANC out on Flightaware the other day and on that particular day DL was running a 763 from ANC to ATL as a red eye.
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies update

Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:23 am

DL ATL-LAX was a long time 77L route (took it back in 2009) but now all I'm seeing are multiple 763s.

Took an A333 on LAX-MSP back in February. That was pretty cool :D
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies update

Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:07 am

Using EWR as my main hub its nice to see more widebodies. The EWR-YVR AC 788 surprised me quite a bit. The flight was previously operated by an A319, so a pretty big change. Im actually flying on the UA 787-9 on July 9 EWR-LAX and have a 777-200 on the way back to EWR, i'm looking forward to it!
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies update

Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:33 am

Granted EWR-YVR has been a 319 for many years (I want to say 10 plus years) so maybe they've built it up that a 787 makes sense for the summer
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies update

Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:32 am

"I was wondering if we could pool an updated definitive list of all current domestic widebodies, over the last few months, the situation has changed a bit, and I recently booked IAH-DEN on a 787, so I'll start with that"

A rather easy way to find UA wide body flights is to take a look at the cargo schedule. It lists both international and domestic flights but its easy enough to find what you are looking for.

http://www.unitedcargo.com/ShowFiles?fi ... e_2016.pdf
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies update

Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:52 am

The QF LAX-JFK-LAX turn is only available to passengers arriving in or departing from the USA on a QF or AA flight from or to Australia on the same itinerary, and I don't expect that will ever change unless US law changes dramatically.

Also, should this thread not be titled "US domestic widebodies"? After all, I did think that there were other countries in the world with domestic aviation markets.
Or, if not, perhaps somebody could provide an update on widebodies being used on UK domestic services, as well as intra-Europe.
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:36 am

Man I remember the days when I flew MCO-ATL on the 777 and Tristar! I flew it so many times on short hops with friends for a quick, and fun weekend trip, and now you have to fly all the way to SYD, NRT, or JNB! Today MCO is served by the "New, state of the art Delta A321. " Well I'd rather have a 777 because unfortunately, the Tristar isn't coming back. There's nothing like a GE90 growl to wake you up on a fresh Saturday morning!
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies (updated list)

Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:15 pm

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JFK - PDX is probably to rotate the plane in and out from PDX - NRT


Yes - this is correct. The airplane keeps a tight schedule, arriving at PDX from NRT at 9am, departing for JFK at 10:30, arriving JFK at 6:45, and then lately it has been doing a late Europe outbound from JFK like AGP around 10pm local.

At NRT, the only other 767-300ER coming in from the east is the late HNL. So they probably think it makes more sense from a reliability perspective to have multiple ways to route 763s through NRT, and the obvious way to do that is pull a European airplane, fly it to PDX, and then feed NRT that way.[/quote]

The 763 that flies PDX-NRT continues on to NRT-SIN, RONs in SIN, and then heads back to NRT -> PDX -> JFK, and Europe. The 763s that fly NRT-HNL are a different configuration (slightly more dense), and they rotate through the rest of the system via LAX and JFK, as well as rotating with NRT-TPE, NRT-BKK, and other HNL-Japan routes.
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:07 pm

So a guy says 'maybe' its a 787 for summer and thus means he doesn't know a thing about New York. What rodent crawled up your ass today. Never seen someone be such a jerk for such a nonexistent reason. Get a life.
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:00 pm

Unless it's replaced in the last year, what about the PDX-ATL 767s by DL?
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:50 am

DL used to send the 77L on ATL-LAX to get the plane in position for LAX-SYD. I believe that 777 now comes in from NRT. Similarly, the 763 that used to ply ATL-PDX-NRT is now routed JFK-PDX-NRT.
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:52 pm

Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:30 pm

Per this DL schedule

http://www.delta.com/content/dam/delta- ... edules.pdf

The largest plane flown domestically is DL8808 from ATL to MSP, which is a 764, but I'm still looking through it, let me see if there's anything else.
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:35 pm

KTPAFlyer wrote:
Per this DL schedule

http://www.delta.com/content/dam/delta- ... edules.pdf

The largest plane flown domestically is DL8808 from ATL to MSP, which is a 764, but I'm still looking through it, let me see if there's anything else.


Is 8808 a regular scheduled flight ? sounds like one of those military/sports charters ...
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:40 pm

It's possible, but it's hub to hub which makes me skeptical, charters are usually to some special destination
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:05 pm

 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:15 pm

American Airlines Cargo Schedule

https://www.aacargo.com/ship/schedules.html
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:57 pm

American widebodies per the schedule

77W (Some part of your flight must involve MIA)

MIA-JFK
MIA-DFW
MIA-LAX
JFK-MIA
DFW-MIA
LAX-MIA

788 (Some part of your flight must involve ORD)

ORD-DFW
ORD-LAX
DFW-ORD
LAX-ORD
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:10 pm

i flew DTW-LAS las year on 767, also remember seing DTW-PHX on 767. both on january!
also AC YHZ-YYZ flight is also with a 767.
many australian short routes operate with widebodies.
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:42 pm

UA Widebodies

777 (All flights involve California)

LAX-EWR
LAX-IAD
LAX-SFO (Intra-state)
SFO-LAX (Intra-state)
SFO-EWR
SFO-IAD
SFO-ORD
EWR-LAX
EWR-SFO
IAD-SFO
IAD-LAX
ORD-SFO

787

IAH-SFO
IAH-DEN
DEN-IAH
EWR-LAX
LAX-EWR
SFO-IAH

744 INTERNATIONAL (Bonus if anyone was wondering)

SFO-LHR (Europe)
SFO-FRA (Europe)
SFO-HKG
SFO-NRT
SFO-ICN
SFO-PEK
SFO-PVG
ORD-PEK
ORD-PVG
LHR-SFO (Europe)
FRA-SFO (Europe)
HKG-SFO
NRT-SFO
ICN-SFO
PEK-ORD
PEK-SFO
PVG-ORD
PVG-SFO
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:49 pm

KTPAFlyer wrote:
UA Widebodies

777 (All flights involve California)

LAX-EWR
LAX-IAD
LAX-SFO (Intra-state)
SFO-LAX (Intra-state)
SFO-EWR
SFO-IAD
SFO-ORD
EWR-LAX
EWR-SFO
IAD-SFO
IAD-LAX
ORD-SFO

787

IAH-SFO
IAH-DEN
DEN-IAH
EWR-LAX
LAX-EWR
SFO-IAH

744 INTERNATIONAL (Bonus if anyone was wondering)

SFO-LHR (Europe)
SFO-FRA (Europe)
SFO-HKG
SFO-NRT
SFO-PEK
SFO-PVG
ORD-PEK
ORD-PVG
LHR-SFO (Europe)
FRA-SFO (Europe)
ICN-SFO
NRT-SFO
PEK-ORD
PEK-SFO
PVG-ORD
PVG-SFO



the 747 also flies:
DTW-NRT
DTW-ICN
DTW-NGO
ATL-ICN
ATL-NRT
LHR-PHX
and probably more i forgot :lol:
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:00 pm

DL widebodies (I didn't include 767's for AA or UA)

A330

JFK-LAX
LAX-JFK

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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:20 pm

Air Canada

77L

YYZ-YVR
YVR-YYZ

77W

YYZ-YVR
YVR-YYZ

787-8

YYZ-YYC
YYC-YYZ
YYZ-YVR
YVR-YYZ

787-9

YYZ-YVR
YVR-YYZ

A330

YUL-YVR
YVR-YUL
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:19 am

KTPAFlyer wrote:
Air Canada

787-8

YYZ-YYC
YYC-YYZ
YYZ-YVR
YVR-YYZ



And EWR-YVR. Started June 17, replacing A319 on that route. Or are you excluding transborder?
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:25 am

LX operate the 77W on one of their 9 daily ZRH-GVA-ZRH rotations. At 125 nm that must be one of the shortest 777 flights
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:19 am

Rumor has it that there's a 77W that operates YYZ-LAX in the summer season, although I can't seem to find it. It did operate consistently last summer though so who knows.

Also, transborder is included if it's close enough, hence this ^^ and also why I included CX JFK-YVR earlier.
 
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Re: June 2016 Domestic widebodies updated (Worldwide)

Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:58 am

Domestic widebody flights in South Korea (Sample date: July 1)

Seoul Gimpo-Jeju
5x daily 747-400
8x daily 777-200ER
4x daily 767-300

Busan-Jeju
2x daily A330-300
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