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Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:10 am

Today is the first flight of LH 488 FRA-SJC! I believe it is also the first time an A340 has been at SJC. Less than an hour til the flight takes off.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH4 ... /EDDF/KSJC
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:30 am

Congrats to SJC!

From abandoned AA hub, to bustling longhaul nexus in the state with the second highest number of intercon gateways! Quite a feat.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:22 am

While BA uses a high technology 787-9 LH is using an old tech A340 to Silicon Valley, the heart of high tech ? Does this have good optics ? NO. LH should use an A350 even if it had to wait until they have one. LH represents a country that makes " precision engineered" products, Porches & BMW's, it should fly a "precision engineered" airplane to San Jose.
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:53 am

jfk777 wrote:
While BA uses a high technology 787-9 LH is using an old tech A340 to Silicon Valley, the heart of high tech ? Does this have good optics ? NO. LH should use an A350 even if it had to wait until they have one. LH represents a country that makes " precision engineered" products, Porches & BMW's, it should fly a "precision engineered" airplane to San Jose.


Do you really think anyone beside some a.nutters and uber nerds will care? Most people don't even recognise the difference between a Boeing a/c and an Airbus. All that counts is the interior. The LH A340s got a new interior recently and at least in Y are the far better experience than the BA 787s (which have the worst longhaul Economy class of all major airlines out there). F and C should be on par.
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:10 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Congrats to SJC!

From abandoned AA hub, to bustling longhaul nexus in the state with the second highest number of intercon gateways! Quite a feat.


Hold the dramatics. A city that has what - 3 or 4 international flights - is a bustling longhaul nexus?!?! Look at places like BOS. THAT is a bustling longhaul nexus.
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:12 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Congrats to SJC!

From abandoned AA hub, to bustling longhaul nexus in the state with the second highest number of intercon gateways! Quite a feat.


Hold the dramatics. A city that has what - 3 or 4 international flights - is a bustling longhaul nexus?!?! Look at places like BOS. THAT is a bustling longhaul nexus.


It is quite a feat considering what goes on 35 miles to the north...
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:23 pm

So who's next for SJC: KE, BR, CX, AF ?
I'm surprised KE hasn't jumped into SJC yet, considering ICN is in the top 5 most requested int'l destinations after LHR, FRA, PEK, and NRT.
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:34 pm

787fan8 wrote:
So who's next for SJC: KE, BR, CX, AF ?
I'm surprised KE hasn't jumped into SJC yet, considering ICN is in the top 5 most requested int'l destinations after LHR, FRA, PEK, and NRT.


AF wont fly there, they having some financial problems. also i think CX,KE and BR wont fly there because they already have fortresses in SFO and it would lower the pax numbers on those routes.
i hope KLM will start flying there.
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:35 pm

I hope someone can be there for pictures and maybe video.
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:45 pm

jfk777 wrote:
While BA uses a high technology 787-9 LH is using an old tech A340 to Silicon Valley, the heart of high tech ? Does this have good optics ? NO. LH should use an A350 even if it had to wait until they have one. LH represents a country that makes " precision engineered" products, Porches & BMW's, it should fly a "precision engineered" airplane to San Jose.


huh? Is the A340 not a precision engineered airplane?

SJC is indeed growing, i remember flying SJC-NRT on ANA a few years ago, if i rmb correctly it was the first and only long haul international destination during it's resurgence period. I also liked the "sick of flying in fog?" tagline that was displayed around the airport, poking fun at SFO next door.
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:57 pm

CARST wrote:
The LH A340s got a new interior recently and at least in Y are the far better experience than the BA 787s (which have the worst longhaul Economy class of all major airlines out there). F and C should be on par.


So true! The LH A340 is really awesome even though the future belongs to the 787.

The A340 2-4-2 seating is much better then the 787 3-3-3.
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:52 pm

I don't remember the frequency of this flight. Was it 5 times a week?
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:54 pm

jfk777 wrote:
While BA uses a high technology 787-9 LH is using an old tech A340 to Silicon Valley, the heart of high tech ? Does this have good optics ? NO.

Ah yes, because corporate spend hinges on "optics" :roll:


clrd4t8koff wrote:
Hold the dramatics. A city that has what - 3 or 4 international flights - is a bustling longhaul nexus?!?!

A metro's secondary airport with service to LHR, FRA, PEK, NRT + high potential to grow other longhauls.

....um, exactly what other such secondary US gateway can you name that comes anywhere close to that, other than EWR?
And keep in mind that this was all garnered in the absence of a hub to back it up.

Absolutely astonishing achievement, and nothing dramatic about it.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:20 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
While BA uses a high technology 787-9 LH is using an old tech A340 to Silicon Valley, the heart of high tech ? Does this have good optics ? NO.

Ah yes, because corporate spend hinges on "optics" :roll:


clrd4t8koff wrote:
Hold the dramatics. A city that has what - 3 or 4 international flights - is a bustling longhaul nexus?!?!

A metro's secondary airport with service to LHR, FRA, PEK, NRT + high potential to grow other longhauls.

....um, exactly what other such secondary US gateway can you name that comes anywhere close to that, other than EWR?
And keep in mind that this was all garnered in the absence of a hub to back it up.

Absolutely astonishing achievement, and nothing dramatic about it.


I would say that FLL would be a secondary US gateway that should be considered too with service to Europe, South America, the Caribbean, Central America, Mexico and Canada.
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:28 pm

jfk777 wrote:
While BA uses a high technology 787-9 LH is using an old tech A340 to Silicon Valley, the heart of high tech ? Does this have good optics ? NO. LH should use an A350 even if it had to wait until they have one. LH represents a country that makes " precision engineered" products, Porches & BMW's, it should fly a "precision engineered" airplane to San Jose.


Unless you can point to people disappointed in the A340 product offered to passengers, I don't believe you. No passenger cares about "technology" of an A350 or 787 sitting on the inside, most cannot even tell you the company that makes the aircraft they are flying.
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:04 pm

b747400erf wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
While BA uses a high technology 787-9 LH is using an old tech A340 to Silicon Valley, the heart of high tech ? Does this have good optics ? NO. LH should use an A350 even if it had to wait until they have one. LH represents a country that makes " precision engineered" products, Porches & BMW's, it should fly a "precision engineered" airplane to San Jose.


Unless you can point to people disappointed in the A340 product offered to passengers, I don't believe you. No passenger cares about "technology" of an A350 or 787 sitting on the inside, most cannot even tell you the company that makes the aircraft they are flying.


I think 99% of customers will be far more concerned/impressed that LH manages to keep a 15 year-old frame looking and feeling brand new.
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:06 pm

SFOA380 wrote:
b747400erf wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
While BA uses a high technology 787-9 LH is using an old tech A340 to Silicon Valley, the heart of high tech ? Does this have good optics ? NO. LH should use an A350 even if it had to wait until they have one. LH represents a country that makes " precision engineered" products, Porches & BMW's, it should fly a "precision engineered" airplane to San Jose.


Unless you can point to people disappointed in the A340 product offered to passengers, I don't believe you. No passenger cares about "technology" of an A350 or 787 sitting on the inside, most cannot even tell you the company that makes the aircraft they are flying.


I think 99% of customers will be far more concerned/impressed that LH manages to keep a 15 year-old frame looking and feeling brand new.


I asked if the A340 product looks old because I don't know. Does it?
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:46 pm

usflyer123 wrote:
787fan8 wrote:
So who's next for SJC: KE, BR, CX, AF ?
I'm surprised KE hasn't jumped into SJC yet, considering ICN is in the top 5 most requested int'l destinations after LHR, FRA, PEK, and NRT.


AF wont fly there, they having some financial problems. also i think CX,KE and BR wont fly there because they already have fortresses in SFO and it would lower the pax numbers on those routes.
i hope KLM will start flying there.


Actually, BR has been hinting to staff that SJC will be their first longhaul 787 destination.
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:08 pm

SJC's Twitter posted a picture of the arrival:

https://twitter.com/FlySJC/status/748976288417783809
Tiny, unreadable text leaves ample room for interpretation.
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:18 pm

Congrats to SJC and LH.

For those who may not know, there's no F seating on this product as this is a Jump flight, e.g. wet lease to LH operated by LH Cityline. Config is 18 J, 19 Y+ and 280 Y and these birds are mostly operated to leisure destinations and don't wear LH colors, just *A livery.

The cabin crew gets the same pay as mainline LH and service standards are the same too, unlike say the EW 330s. It's an opportunity for LH to use fully amortized birds in markets that won't support the regular configuration without making concessions on the product.

Techies will be ok with this service, they can do Y in the startup phase and and Y+ and J once they've outgrown the garage, or just venture down the 101 a couple miles if they must have F for four times daily service on LH Group planes to Germany and Switzerland.
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:12 am

I think secondary US markets is really the way to go for LH and I hope they can make this work and discover some new ones.
By the way, the flights are operated by LH Cityline cockpit crews but LH mainline cabin crews. Just having flown in one, I can say that the A340-300s are really in good condition and are probably the most comfortable longhaul aircraft to fly on in LH´s fleet, just my personal opinion. Even on a full flight, it just never feels crowded.
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Sat Jul 02, 2016 1:08 am

hayzel777 wrote:
Actually, BR has been hinting to staff that SJC will be their first longhaul 787 destination.

Would make sense, as even AA saw enough demand to launch SJC-TPE back during their conservative past.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Sat Jul 02, 2016 2:32 am

AirFiero wrote:
I don't remember the frequency of this flight. Was it 5 times a week?


Yes, everyday but Tuesday and Thursday.
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Sat Jul 02, 2016 2:37 am

ua900 wrote:
Congrats to SJC and LH.

For those who may not know, there's no F seating on this product as this is a Jump flight, e.g. wet lease to LH operated by LH Cityline. Config is 18 J, 19 Y+ and 280 Y and these birds are mostly operated to leisure destinations and don't wear LH colors, just *A livery.


That sucks. Didn't know we will never see the full LH livery. The *A livery is very boring :(
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Sat Jul 02, 2016 4:29 am

It will be interesting how this goes. I think NH, BA, and probably HU will survive long term at SJC. I'm less sure about LH and CA. In any event, I'm glad to see the international growth at my old home town.
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Sat Jul 02, 2016 5:20 am

Hopefully SJC can maintain all these new long-haul routes! I just noticed that these jump A343's just have "Star Alliance" painted on the outside without the mention of LH or LH CityLine. Anyone know why that is?
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Sat Jul 02, 2016 5:22 am

All this time, and still no pics?

....A.net is slipping. :(
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Sat Jul 02, 2016 5:24 am

Congratulations to LH and the way to go. Expansion in secondary markets with a much lower cost base is crucial since the big ones are pushed more and more to low yields and overcapacity. I always believe that DFW is the best example; too much cheap capacity in the market from all over the world.

SJC should be able to support a 5x weekly flight. What could be next?
LH used to fly to PHX and PDX. Particularly PHX is one of the bigger cities populationwise. Furthermore, I could think of SAT, MSP, AUS, but also MCI and MEM as possible Jump destinations. Put the aircraft into the market, fly one year and see the development. If not satisfied, pull the plug and try it out somewhere else, but be sure that none other airline from Asia, Europe or Middle East is able to do the same. Only LH (Jump) and BA majorly.
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Sat Jul 02, 2016 5:50 am

Actually, BR has been hinting to staff that SJC will be their first longhaul 787 destination.


Like I said in a previous thread, SJC is going to need more international gates, including ones that can handle wide bodies. I hope they have a plan in the works.
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:14 am

Saw it taking off from SJC. It was extremely low take off.
We are used to see MD80s and 737s taking off from SJC.
This looked very unusual for that reason, even though it may be a norm for something with 4 hair dryers.
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:24 am

LAX772LR wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
While BA uses a high technology 787-9 LH is using an old tech A340 to Silicon Valley, the heart of high tech ? Does this have good optics ? NO.

Ah yes, because corporate spend hinges on "optics" :roll:


clrd4t8koff wrote:
Hold the dramatics. A city that has what - 3 or 4 international flights - is a bustling longhaul nexus?!?!

A metro's secondary airport with service to LHR, FRA, PEK, NRT + high potential to grow other longhauls.

....um, exactly what other such secondary US gateway can you name that comes anywhere close to that, other than EWR?
And keep in mind that this was all garnered in the absence of a hub to back it up.

Absolutely astonishing achievement, and nothing dramatic about it.


You just made my point. EWR is a perfect example of a "bustling long haul nexus." SJC not so much. But congrats on their new service. Hope it works out long-term.
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:56 pm

BA has received so many complaints about their 787 from passengers who don't even know which aircraft they are flying and top industry experts alike. It has been a huge backlash. On the other hand, LH older planes are immaculate.
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:27 pm

VCEflyboy wrote:
BA has received so many complaints about their 787 from passengers who don't even know which aircraft they are flying and top industry experts alike. It has been a huge backlash. On the other hand, LH older planes are immaculate.


What are the complaints about? The horrid 3-3-3 seating?
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:50 am

LAX772LR wrote:
All this time, and still no pics?

....A.net is slipping. :(


Here are my photos of the inaugural flights and event:

https://flic.kr/s/aHskzfcP2H

And you are right...I am refraining from uploading photos until this site situation is fixed.

ua900 wrote:
Techies will be ok with this service, they can do Y in the startup phase and and Y+ and J once they've outgrown the garage, or just venture down the 101 a couple miles if they must have F for four times daily service on LH Group planes to Germany and Switzerland.


:lol: Right on! You are so in tune with the techie world.
 
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Re: Inaugural LH FRA-SJC

Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:28 am

mandargb wrote:
Saw it taking off from SJC. It was extremely low take off.
We are used to see MD80s and 737s taking off from SJC.
This looked very unusual for that reason, even though it may be a norm for something with 4 hair dryers.


Not too long ago at least once a day a DC-8 freighter served SJC.

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