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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:06 am

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Looking at some dates during April 2017 I noticed NZ101/102 and NZ105/108 AKL-SYD are showing as 789s. Taking a further look from the end of the NW schedules on March 25th the 763s are gone. NZ103/104 AKL-SYD is showing as a 763 on 26th March and the SYD-RAR flight shows a 763 still beyond then so its just a matter of what happens to that flight. I wonder if the last 1-2 aircraft might operate some ad hoc flights for a few weeks beyond March 25th?


I wonder what will happen with the likes of AKL-DPS, AKL-SGN? Surely the 772/789 will be to big for these routes?

Anyone know when the first of the A321NEOs start arriving next year? If it's around April, that could help explain an few things.

Wonder if we will see some overnight 321N service to the Pac Islands to replace the 763 on some flights. Even though most seem to be now been 777/787
 
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Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:24 am

zkncj wrote:
I wonder what will happen with the likes of AKL-DPS, AKL-SGN? Surely the 772/789 will be to big for these routes?


Well if they are going to keep the routes then they will get a 789 I would imagine, they are seasonal so maybe 2 weekly to SGN rather than 3. One of the reasons MNL didn't start though I believe other than not enough lead in time I believe was that they decided it wasn't viable at this stage with a 789.

zkncj wrote:
Anyone know when the first of the A321NEOs start arriving next year? If it's around April, that could help explain an few things.


September rings a bell. Depends on configuration I guess as to what routes these go on. I'm picking 2 class with a small 8 seat J cabin and used ex AKL. Can ZQN take an A321 to anywhere even AKL?

zkncj wrote:
Wonder if we will see some overnight 321N service to the Pac Islands to replace the 763 on some flights. Even though most seem to be now been 777/787


Depends on scheduling, there won't be a lot of slack I don't think if they do assuming 3 aircraft.
AKL-SYD NZ101/105
AKL-SYD-ZQN NZ711/831 if ZQN can take it
AKL-MEL NZ725 maybe a Pacific flight in the morning?

NZ108/726/706 all arrive after 2300 and would depart by 0700.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:53 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
Looking at some dates during April 2017 I noticed NZ101/102 and NZ105/108 AKL-SYD are showing as 789s.


Have recently been checking December 2016 for NZ101/102 and NZ105/108 changing from a 763 to a 789, as there's still a 789 available about six days a week, and these flights fit between the 0510 NRT-AKL and 0515 EZE-AKL arrivals and the 0115 AKL-NRT and 0115 AKL-SIN departures. Nothing so far, but the April 2017 schedule is a good clue.

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Tue Aug 02, 2016 10:58 am

zkncj wrote:

I wonder what will happen with the likes of AKL-DPS, AKL-SGN? Surely the 772/789 will be to big for these routes?



From Wingtips this morning:

Air New Zealand is pleased to advise that effective from May 2017, the 787-9 Dreamliner is to be introduced on the Auckland-Bali nonstop seasonal route increasing the capacity by 30% replacing the current 767-300s. The changes will enable us to introduce our popular Business Premier and Premium Economy product in place of Works Deluxe.
 
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Tue Aug 02, 2016 2:01 pm

The new SQ MAN flights effective 30 Oct 2016 connect better with NZ at IAH than SIN. Could be a better transit option depending on the fares.

NZ28 AKL-IAH 1920/1345 Daily 77E, SQ51 IAH-MAN 1915/1005 ex Mo Th 77W (5hrs 30m at IAH)
SQ52 MAN-IAH 1015/1435 ex Mo Th 77W, NZ29 IAH-AKL 1955/0555 Daily 77E (5hrs 20m at IAH)

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Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:56 pm

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zkncj wrote:
Wonder if we will see some overnight 321N service to the Pac Islands to replace the 763 on some flights. Even though most seem to be now been 777/787


Depends on scheduling, there won't be a lot of slack I don't think if they do assuming 3 aircraft.
AKL-SYD NZ101/105
AKL-SYD-ZQN NZ711/831 if ZQN can take it
AKL-MEL NZ725 maybe a Pacific flight in the morning?

NZ108/726/706 all arrive after 2300 and would depart by 0700.


I though last year that took up the option to lease 5x 321NEO for 2017 delivery, with the option of on selling part 13x 320/321NEO to the leasing company if they decided too? my understanding the NZ purchased 321/320NEO aren't due until 2018?
 
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Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:41 pm

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The new SQ MAN flights effective 30 Oct 2016 connect better with NZ at IAH than SIN. Could be a better transit option depending on the fares.

PA515


what is the rotation of the airplane to get it into place to do this city pair?
 
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Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:42 am

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what is the rotation of the airplane to get it into place to do this city pair?

SQ52 SIN-MAN 0235/0900 ex Mo Th 77W, SQ52 MAN-IAH 1015/1435 ex Mo Th 77W
SQ51 IAH-MAN 1915/1005 ex Mo Th 77W, SQ51 MAN-SIN 1135/0820 ex Tu Fr 77W

Includes mention of the SIN-MAN and MAN-SIN schedule favouring Australian flights.
http://www.sqtalk.com/forum/showthread. ... 400&page=3

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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:09 am

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The new SQ MAN flights effective 30 Oct 2016 connect better with NZ at IAH than SIN. Could be a better transit option depending on the fares.

NZ28 AKL-IAH 1920/1345 Daily 77E, SQ51 IAH-MAN 1915/1005 ex Mo Th 77W (5hrs 30m at IAH)
SQ52 MAN-IAH 1015/1435 ex Mo Th 77W, NZ29 IAH-AKL 1955/0555 Daily 77E (5hrs 20m at IAH)

PA515


Don't you need to clear Immigration and Customs at IAH and pick up bags and drop them off? Someone did mention IAH had a special arrangement which allows you to not clear Customs but no idea what flights qualify.
 
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Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:04 am

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I though last year that took up the option to lease 5x 321NEO for 2017 delivery, with the option of on selling part 13x 320/321NEO to the leasing company if they decided too? my understanding the NZ purchased 321/320NEO aren't due until 2018?


Air NZ Press Release 02 June 2014 re thirteen A321neo/A320neo.
"The first A321neo is due in late 2017 with the remainder of the aircraft delivered at intervals through until 2019."
http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/press-re ... estic-a320

ALC Press Release 14 July 2014 re five A321neo/A320neo.
"The first aircraft, a new A321neo, is scheduled for delivery in August 2017 and the first new A320neo will deliver in September 2017. The remaining three aircraft will deliver in 2018."
http://airleasecorp.com/press/2015/air- ... y-aircraft

The Air NZ website had a Press Release about the ALC aircraft but this has been removed. A complication with the A321NEO is the new 'cabin flex' version available from about May 2018 which removes the second passenger doors forward of the wing and replaces them with additional emergency exits. If Air NZ prefers this version they could swap the initial A321NEO deliveries for A320NEO.

There could be more info in the Air NZ 2016 Annual Result, Analyst Presentation slides on Thu 25 August.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:22 am

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The Air NZ website had a Press Release about the ALC aircraft but this has been removed. A complication with the A321NEO is the new 'cabin flex' version available from about May 2018 which removes the second passenger doors forward of the wing and replaces them with additional emergency exits. If Air NZ prefers this version they could swap the initial A321NEO deliveries for A320NEO.

There could be more info in the Air NZ 2016 Annual Result, Analyst Presentation slides on Thu 25 August.

PA515


http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/assets/PDFs/2016-interim-analyst-presentation.pdf

Page 22 Subnote "* Excludes orders of up to five A320/A321 NEOs with purchase substitution rights."

Do wonder if this might change on the 25 August, or maybe an additional top-up of either the 321/320NEO or 787 fleets.
 
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Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:30 am

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/82732534/revealed-nelsons-new-32-million-airport-terminal

NSN today has come with its plans to spend $32million on an new terminal, and for once NZ seems happy? that has to be an change in New Zealand airport development.

I wonder if it will allow to an security screening point? to allow jet services in the longer term.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:29 am

xiaotung wrote:
PA515 wrote:
The new SQ MAN flights effective 30 Oct 2016 connect better with NZ at IAH than SIN. Could be a better transit option depending on the fares.

NZ28 AKL-IAH 1920/1345 Daily 77E, SQ51 IAH-MAN 1915/1005 ex Mo Th 77W (5hrs 30m at IAH)
SQ52 MAN-IAH 1015/1435 ex Mo Th 77W, NZ29 IAH-AKL 1955/0555 Daily 77E (5hrs 20m at IAH)

PA515


Don't you need to clear Immigration and Customs at IAH and pick up bags and drop them off? Someone did mention IAH had a special arrangement which allows you to not clear Customs but no idea what flights qualify.


MAN should have US preclearence within the next 12-18 months, which might help.

I think most are expecting the MAN-SIN sector to be busier than the MAN-IAH sector so there may be a capacity boost in the pipeline somewhere. A night flight from the UK would connect well with SQ's AKL and CHC morning arrivals.

There is an ANZ flight from SIN-AKL that departs around 30 mins after the MAN flight lands. With a slight readjustment of the schedule that would make a great connection.

Of course, we are all waiting for ANZ to serve MAN on its own metal someday(!)
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:38 am

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There could be more info in the Air NZ 2016 Annual Result, Analyst Presentation slides on Thu 25 August.

Just checked and the Air NZ 2016 Annual Results announcement has changed from Thu 25 August to Fri 26 August.

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Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:44 am

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Any idea what plane was used to take olympians to Rio?


I think the travel plans were fairly scattered and not in a group, so hard to answer that question really as each sport has different pre games build up schedules
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:59 am

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/82769956/turbo-props-slower-noisier-more-cramped-does-air-nz-think-christchurch-travellers-are-suckers
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Turbo props: slower, noisier, more cramped. Does Air NZ think Christchurch travellers are suckers?
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Looks like stuff are up to there quality reporting again! Shouldn't be glad that NZ is willing to fly WLG-CHC 14x daily?
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:50 am

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/82769956/turbo-props-slower-noisier-more-cramped-does-air-nz-think-christchurch-travellers-are-suckers
[b]
Turbo props: slower, noisier, more cramped. Does Air NZ think Christchurch travellers are suckers?
[/b]


Looks like stuff are up to there quality reporting again! Shouldn't be glad that NZ is willing to fly WLG-CHC 14x daily?


I was tempted to answer that but I hate feeding trolls, especially reporters. I bet the business community would love 14 flights a day on various planes becoming 6 A320's. :roll:
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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:11 am

zkncj wrote:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/82769956/turbo-props-slower-noisier-more-cramped-does-air-nz-think-christchurch-travellers-are-suckers
[b]
Turbo props: slower, noisier, more cramped. Does Air NZ think Christchurch travellers are suckers?
[/b]


Looks like stuff are up to there quality reporting again! Shouldn't be glad that NZ is willing to fly WLG-CHC 14x daily?

Someone should remind the author that Jetstar flies between the two cities with A320s several times per day.

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I was tempted to answer that but I hate feeding trolls, especially reporters.

Reading the comments section of that article is flat out depressing.
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:19 pm

zkncj wrote:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/82769956/turbo-props-slower-noisier-more-cramped-does-air-nz-think-christchurch-travellers-are-suckers
[b]
Turbo props: slower, noisier, more cramped. Does Air NZ think Christchurch travellers are suckers?
[/b]


Looks like stuff are up to there quality reporting again! Shouldn't be glad that NZ is willing to fly WLG-CHC 14x daily?


How dare Air NZ run a business, and not a charity? :shock:
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:39 pm

Cut flights around country NZ is bad and not giving a fair chance to regional (should I say parochial?) New Zealand , add flights with smaller more efficient aircraft to build frequency, demand - NZ is bad. CHC was having longterm route frequency issues with 737/A320s after a pretty devastating earthquake that effectively flattened the CBD and demand offpeak. One would think NZ knows it will step back up once CHC is rebuilt properly. No doubt when they return to 14 A320s a day they will be met with " we miss the ATRs and why does NZ not fly from NRT/LAX again?"

Possibly what they also don't understand is that by CHC getting ATR/Q300s, they are also ensuring places like DUD/IVC/ZQN/HKK get decent frequency to CHC due to aircraft rotation

Besides,Turboprops are fine and perfectly comfortable. Unless you're an elite in the space seats the ATRs are just as good. if not better than the A320s. I flew a Dash 8 for 2h+ in the US without issue
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Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:10 am

Over the last two weeks, I have done 5 legs on the ATRs (4 -500 and 1 -600) and one on the Dash-8. My observations are (similar to aerorobnz's):

* The aircraft are just as fine and comfortable for short haul, as the A320s
* There is an issue with weather though. On Monday, I have seen a few props (NZ and JQ) boarding and deplaning, and some were in the middle of the heaviest downpours you can imagine. People arrived at the terminal totally drenched.
* One thing that bugs me big time is the amount of carry on people take, and then gate-check. Deboarding an ATR now takes longer than deboarding an A320, because people are not being let off the plane until all gate-checked luggage has been offloaded, and the trolley being placed at the bottom of the steps. If you are at the front of the aircraft it takes a looooong time until you are off the plane.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:44 am

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There is an issue with weather though. On Monday, I have seen a few props (NZ and JQ) boarding and deplaning, and some were in the middle of the heaviest downpours you can imagine. People arrived at the terminal totally drenched.

I've always thought NZ's climate would make airbridges for turboprops a good option. I have 4 Q300 flights in the next 9 days (first time on the type actually, and second time on a Dash 8 after getting a Q400 in Canada a couple of months ago), and I'm hoping the weather will hold up!

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Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:47 am

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CHC was having longterm route frequency issues with 737/A320s after a pretty devastating earthquake that effectively flattened the CBD and demand offpeak. One would think NZ knows it will step back up once CHC is rebuilt properly.

I'd assumed that the reason for the use of the ATRs was simply one of economics - that a jet on a 45 minute sector, gate-to-gate, was uneconomic on a seat-mile basis compared with the ATR. Is this not the case?
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Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:52 am

. . . and on the same subject, it's interesting that CHC feels that it is being snubbed through the use of the ATRs. Maybe it's actually WLG that's being snubbed! Just saying . . .
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Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:20 am

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aerorobnz wrote:
CHC was having longterm route frequency issues with 737/A320s after a pretty devastating earthquake that effectively flattened the CBD and demand offpeak. One would think NZ knows it will step back up once CHC is rebuilt properly.

I'd assumed that the reason for the use of the ATRs was simply one of economics - that a jet on a 45 minute sector, gate-to-gate, was uneconomic on a seat-mile basis compared with the ATR. Is this not the case?

When you're talking purely in operating costs yes the issue is that they do not want to send half empty A320s when they can send a full ATR, with a shorter turnaround, 2 less cabin crew, less fuel burn etc. However A320s carry way more valuable freight, they fly faster and haul 3x as many passengers - when full they are capable even on WLG-CHC, AMS-FRA, LAX-LAS orother similar length flights.

The reason for the A320s not being full is because 1) CHC want the frequency more than total available seats 2) The local economy has not recovered to the A320/737 frequency it warranted pre 2010-11. It is picking up all the time, so we will see more A320s again before long I'm sure.
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I'd assumed that the reason for the use of the ATRs was simply one of economics - that a jet on a 45 minute sector, gate-to-gate, was uneconomic on a seat-mile basis compared with the ATR. Is this not the case?


The 733 we're only 133 seats the current A320D are configured with 171 seats (38 seat increase), if you look at the ATR 72-600 with 68 seats its an 103 seat increase, we're as with the 733 it was only 65 seats different.

There is no way that NZ could fill 14x 171 Seat A320D services a day AKL-WLG/AKL-CHC is an larger market which can support 20+ A320 services daily and most service tend to be near full.

VirginFlyer wrote:
I've always thought NZ's climate would make airbridges for turboprops a good option. I have 4 Q300 flights in the next 9 days (first time on the type actually, and second time on a Dash 8 after getting a Q400 in Canada a couple of months ago), and I'm hoping the weather will hold up!


HLZ & IVC used to use air bridges for there ATR services, but we're removed
 
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Are the older domestic A320s going to get retrofitted with sharklets, or are they going to stay with the old wing fences?
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Are the older domestic A320s going to get retrofitted with sharklets, or are they going to stay with the old wing fences?


Isn't it only 4x without? I being 2011 builds? I wonder if they might grab some end of line 321CEO's to replace them? if they we're the right price.
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:18 am

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Are the older domestic A320s going to get retrofitted with sharklets, or are they going to stay with the old wing fences?

These are Air NZ's four non sharklet domestic A320s.

OAB c/n 4553 (Feb 2011) leased from ALC
OJQ c/n 4584 (Feb 2011) leased from ALC.
OJR c/n 4884 (Nov 2011) leased from BOC
OJS c/n 4926 (Dec 2011) leased from BOC

I doubt they will get sharklets as they are leased and Air NZ would need the agreement of the leasing companies who may prefer them as they are. Also, these particular aircraft require the more expensive and time consuming retrofitting work as they were manufactured before the wing modification for sharklets. Air NZ would need to keep them long enough to pay for the retrofitting, and they could be replaced with A321NEOs on AKL-WLG and AKL-CHC within five years.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:36 am

Another long delay for American:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-tr ... nd-service

"Cancellation on new American Airlines LA to Auckland service

Passengers on American Airlines's newly launched Auckland to Los Angeles service have suffered another overnight delay.

American Airlines' flight AA83 from Los Angeles due in Auckland early on Friday morning was cancelled following aircraft mechanical issues, and passengers face more than a day's delay before flying to Auckland via Sydney airport.

It was the second long delay in two weeks for the service.

In late July, 221 passengers on the flight suffered a 16 hour delay, with the problem again blamed on mechanical issues."


Hope things pick up.

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Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:44 am

The IVC airbridge went to AKL domestic unsure where the HLZ one went. If there's one place that warrants an airbridge it's IVC.
 
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[quote="mariner"]Another long delay for American:

Looking back through Flightaware to about July 24th there has been only one day that the delay has been less than one hour. These delays must be playing havoc with connections onto Jetstar.
 
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[[quote="PA515These are Air NZ's four non sharklet domestic A320s.]]

do sharklet's perform the same fuel reducing function as winglets? If so it is difficult to believe they can be useful on one to two hour domestic flights.
 
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Another long delay for American:

Looking back through Flightaware to about July 24th there has been only one day that the delay has been less than one hour. These delays must be playing havoc with connections onto Jetstar.


For most of the AA passenger connecting to JQ they might be luck with there connection running late, JQNZ is currently average for this year is only 73% on-time within 15minutes.
 
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Payload restrictions will be over then. It was supposed to be June but got delayed/
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Sat Aug 06, 2016 6:34 am

ATR72-600 ZK-MVM had it's first flight on 04 August and another yesterday. No photos so far.

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ATR72-600 ZK-MVM had it's first flight on 04 August and another yesterday. No photos so far.

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Would that bring the 72-600 fleet upto 14, with the combined fleet being 24? so the ATR has now over taken the Q300?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Sat Aug 06, 2016 9:23 am

AA have had similar significant delays with their B788 service into MAN (from ORD). I don't know if it is a wider issue with this fleet or a scheduling co-incidence but it is obviously not sustainable.

I have a question about the ANZ fleet utilisation. Will the new A320/321 neo allow the B777 and B789 fleets to focus more on long haul expansion (allowing for the replacement of the B767 fleet)?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Sat Aug 06, 2016 9:59 am

Does anyone think there is any likelihood that NZ might start a PER-LHR before QF do?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:09 am

flyjetstar wrote:
Does anyone think there is any likely hood that NZ might start a PER-LHR before QF do?

Give it about a 5% chance at best.
NZ isn't interested in that and currently doesn't have the right aircraft to do it anyway (789 configuration too heavy).
VS might though.
I would love to see NZ use its via Australia rights however. CHC-BNE-HKG for one, AKL-MEL-JNB for another. AKL-BNE-SIN if SQ needed more capacity (just like CX for the HKG flight).
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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:04 am

Has anything publicly been released about EK going 380 in Christchurch at all?

I hear that from late October It will operate 380 chc/syd/dxb as ek413 and akl will pick up ek419 akl/syd/Bkk/dxb
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:38 am

sqb7e wrote:
Has anything publicly been released about EK going 380 in Christchurch at all?

I hear that from late October It will operate 380 chc/syd/dxb as ek413 and akl will pick up ek419 akl/syd/Bkk/dxb


That is an interesting idea, but I thought CHC wasn't A380 capable (for regular service anyway)...?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:12 pm

aerorobnz wrote:
qf789 wrote:
CA to use 789 to AKL from 30 Oct 16]

[Payload restrictions will be over then. It was supposed to be June but got delayed/
]

what/which payload restrictions are you referring to?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:36 pm

[[quote.
I would love to see NZ use its via Australia rights however., AKL-MEL-JNB for one. ).[/quote]]
Checking BITRE for CY 2015 the passenger total for PER-JNB-PER was 132238 and SYD-JNB-SYD was 157720. The load factors were SAA at 72% into PER and 73% out . QF 81% into SYD and 73% out. The 789 would be limited ~ 233t TOW at JNB most days but this is helped by a typical JNB-MEL day of ~ 11hr 15 min. Payload would be a respectable ~ 40t. 3x weekly at a 75% LF ( based on the present 789 config.) is ~ 70,000 passengers /year or for a higher premium seat % 789 at 80% LF of 69000 passengers/year. Are these loads out of AKL/MEL to JNB or CPT possible? I wonder about CPT instead of JNB ? Would this improve the loads? It would improve the payload eastbound.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:37 pm

[[quote.
I would love to see NZ use its via Australia rights however., AKL-MEL-JNB for one. ).[/quote]]
Checking BITRE for CY 2015 the passenger total for PER-JNB-PER was 132238 and SYD-JNB-SYD was 157720. The load factors were SAA at 72% into PER and 73% out . QF 81% into SYD and 73% out. The 789 would be limited ~ 233t TOW at JNB most days but this is helped by a typical JNB-MEL day of ~ 11hr 15 min. Payload would be a respectable ~ 40t. 3x weekly at a 75% LF ( based on the present 789 config.) is ~ 70,000 passengers /year or for a higher premium seat % 789 at 80% LF of 69000 passengers/year. Are these loads out of AKL/MEL to JNB or CPT possible? I wonder about CPT instead of JNB ? Would this improve the loads? It would improve the payload eastbound.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Sat Aug 06, 2016 7:21 pm

DobboDobbo wrote:
I have a question about the ANZ fleet utilisation. Will the new A320/321 neo allow the B777 and B789 fleets to focus more on long haul expansion (allowing for the replacement of the B767 fleet)?


Not likely the A321/320NEO are direct replacement for the current Tasman/Pacific A320 fleet which is already fully allocated, its basically just an equipment swap out as they are getting towards 12 years old now.

The 777/787 are still needed ex-AKL on the Tasman/Pacific as there is the demand for the additional seats, typically these services are 90% and upwards on load. Something that the 321/320NEO couldn't replace.

Also its the widebody down time, durring the day.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:27 pm

I would be surprised if the A321 was not the default replacement for both the A320 and shorthaul 767 longterm. There will be A320s of course but I reckon it will be a 2:1 ratio in favour of A321s. Domestically, the A321 may only be utilised at peaks, it is a much larger airframe capable of up to 40 more passengers than an A320 and as we were talking about with WLG-CHC that may be a bit much to maintain the same frequency.

sunrisevalley wrote:
aerorobnz wrote:
qf789 wrote:
CA to use 789 to AKL from 30 Oct 16]

[Payload restrictions will be over then. It was supposed to be June but got delayed/
]

what/which payload restrictions are you referring to?


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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:12 am

Can a A321 do CHC-PER as that could be one route that I can see getting increased or even year round ?
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