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Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:22 am
by zkncj
nzrich wrote:
Can a A321 do CHC-PER as that could be one route that I can see getting increased or even year round ?


The typical range of an A321NEO-LR is 7400km, CHC-PER is around 5000km.

In theory yes - would depend on winds/routeing.

Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 1:22 am
by ZKOAB
PA515 wrote:
ATR72-600 ZK-MVM had it's first flight on 04 August and another yesterday. No photos so far.

PA515


There was a previous mention that the ETA for delivery of MVM is August.
Is there a confirmed delivery date? Any rough estimates on MVN and MVP?

Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:48 am
by Mr AirNZ
zkncj wrote:
nzrich wrote:
Can a A321 do CHC-PER as that could be one route that I can see getting increased or even year round ?


The typical range of an A321NEO-LR is 7400km, CHC-PER is around 5000km.

In theory yes - would depend on winds/routeing.

Air New Zealand however has not ordered the LR version and given the significant loss of underfloor hold space with the additional tanks, I personally do not see it as a particularly appealing machine for the operation given the route profiles ANZ flies.

Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:20 am
by PA515
ZKOAB wrote:
There was a previous mention that the ETA for delivery of MVM is August.
Is there a confirmed delivery date? Any rough estimates on MVN and MVP?

I don't have an exact date for ZK-MVM, but expect it will arrive within two weeks to be in service by 29 Aug when HLZ-PMR-WLG changes to a Q300.
ZK-MVN is Nov 2016
ZK-MVP is Jul? 2017 ("mid year" 2017, but in FY18)
Plus three more in FY18, then five in FY19, and five in FY20 with the last (29th) in "early 2020".
Then there's the 30 options mentioned in an ATR Press Release, but later removed.

PA515

Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:36 am
by ZKOAB
PA515 wrote:
I don't have an exact date for ZK-MVM, but expect it will arrive within two weeks to be in service by 29 Aug when HLZ-PMR-WLG changes to a Q300.
ZK-MVN is Nov 2016
ZK-MVP is Jul? 2017 ("mid year" 2017, but in FY18)
Plus three more in FY18, then five in FY19, and five in FY20 with the last (29th) in "early 2020".
Then there's the 30 options mentioned in an ATR Press Release, but later removed.

PA515


Thanks for the info PA515. It's greatly appreciated!
I haven't been on this forum for long but I've picked up that you and a couple of others are a wealth of information.

Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:38 am
by VirginFlyer
I'm sitting at Rotorua at the moment, waiting for NZ8744 to go back to Auckland. Interestingly, there is no sign of the inbound flight on the arrivals board here or on Rotorua Airport's website. NZ8743 is however on Air NZ's online schedule, and I have been following RLK8743 on FlightAware. It's just arrived, and passengers are disembarking. Any reason why it wouldn't have shown on Rotorua's boards? Data failure? Private charter?

V/F

Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:36 am
by NZ1
ZKOAB wrote:
PA515 wrote:
I don't have an exact date for ZK-MVM, but expect it will arrive within two weeks to be in service by 29 Aug when HLZ-PMR-WLG changes to a Q300.
ZK-MVN is Nov 2016
ZK-MVP is Jul? 2017 ("mid year" 2017, but in FY18)
Plus three more in FY18, then five in FY19, and five in FY20 with the last (29th) in "early 2020".
Then there's the 30 options mentioned in an ATR Press Release, but later removed.

PA515


Thanks for the info PA515. It's greatly appreciated!
I haven't been on this forum for long but I've picked up that you and a couple of others are a wealth of information.


MVM is due to arrive into CHC on Aug 17th and enter service Aug 25th.
MVN is due to arrive into CHC on Aug 24th and enter service on Sep 1st.
MVP & MVQ are the only new arrivals for 2017 at this stage and are scheduled for July & August.

There is some talk of the entire Q300 fleet being replaced with further ATR72's down the track (next 5 years) but nothing is firm yet as far as I can gather.

Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:02 pm
by LamboAston
nzrich wrote:
Can a A321 do CHC-PER as that could be one route that I can see getting increased or even year round ?

In theory yes, whether it would come off successfully in practice is yet to be seen.
In theory the non LR version could do the route, but winds and payload may have an affect. If CHC -Perth is 5000 km, then the a321 Neo should have 1500 km spare range.

Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 1:09 pm
by sunrisevalley
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LamboAston wrote:
nzrich wrote:
Can a A321 do CHC-PER as that could be one route that I can see getting increased or even year round ?

In theory yes, whether it would come off successfully in practice is yet to be seen.]]
It appears that the A321 neo is good for 3000nm at max passenger load. On a not so good day CHC-PER has an ESAD of ~3300nm or 7hr 15 min.

Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:28 pm
by PA515
NZ1 wrote:
MVM is due to arrive into CHC on Aug 17th and enter service Aug 25th.
MVN is due to arrive into CHC on Aug 24th and enter service on Sep 1st.
MVP & MVQ are the only new arrivals for 2017 at this stage and are scheduled for July & August.

Thanks for the update. So, MVM a month later and MVN three months earlier than the 2015 info.

PA515

Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:52 am
by 77west
nzrich wrote:
Can a A321 do CHC-PER as that could be one route that I can see getting increased or even year round ?


A321neo can but getting towards the limits of range westbound. May even take a payload hit.

Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:04 am
by Kiwirob
It must be time to open up New Zealand Aviation thread part 181

This ones becoming to long.

Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:01 am
by zkanz
Kiwirob wrote:
This ones becoming to long

No need, new site splits the thread into 50 reply pages so is very manageable.

Also, I have been hearing talk around this site and various others about NZ introducing a new (premium-heavy) configuration for upcoming 789's. Can anyone confirm this? IMO it'd make sense, but would surely have to be coupled with conversion of some of the remaining options (how many are left? 4?) seeing as it'd be rather pointless to have 3 or 4 in a different configuration to the rest.

Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:29 am
by Motorhussy
NZ introducing a new (premium-heavy) configuration


And on the new configuration front, any update on when and if for the short-haul int'l fleet? And if it will be the same as Y+?

Apologies if this has already been covered, I don't get on here as much with the new format of site.

Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:02 pm
by ZaphodHarkonnen
sunrisevalley wrote:
do sharklet's perform the same fuel reducing function as winglets? If so it is difficult to believe they can be useful on one to two hour domestic flights.


Sharklet's are a type of winglet. They're just Airbus' name for the latest ones on the A320.

Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:45 am
by Karlos
zkanz wrote:
No need, new site splits the thread into 50 reply pages so is very manageable.


Is it possible then to rename this "The New Zealand Aviation Thread", drop the "Part 180" and lock all the old ones?

Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 4:57 am
by Zkpilot
zkanz wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
This ones becoming to long

No need, new site splits the thread into 50 reply pages so is very manageable.

.

Bollocks. While it is more manageable in some ways than the old, I still find it very un - user friendly to use.
The old cutoff was 200 posts -thereabouts. Perhaps 250 would be ok now.

I vote for new threads!

Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:16 am
by sqb7e
Qantas16 wrote:
sqb7e wrote:
Has anything publicly been released about EK going 380 in Christchurch at all?

I hear that from late October It will operate 380 chc/syd/dxb as ek413 and akl will pick up ek419 akl/syd/Bkk/dxb


That is an interesting idea, but I thought CHC wasn't A380 capable (for regular service anyway)...?



Pretty sure they have started or about to start getting an A380 gate ready for it. I think the gate was the only main issue when it came to CHC. Wouldn't think it will be to much longer until they announce.

Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:17 am
by zkojq
Zkpilot wrote:
zkanz wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
This ones becoming to long

No need, new site splits the thread into 50 reply pages so is very manageable.

.

Bollocks. While it is more manageable in some ways than the old, I still find it very un - user friendly to use.
The old cutoff was 200 posts -thereabouts. Perhaps 250 would be ok now.

I vote for new threads!

Me too. The new format is possibly a bit better, the thread should still be closed and replaced every three to four weeks, otherwise it becomes a mess!

ZKOAB wrote:
I haven't been on this forum for long but I've picked up that you and a couple of others are a wealth of information.

Welcome to the NZ threads, I like your username. Speaking of which, it occurs to me that at this point we actually have quite a fair bit of Air New Zealand registration based usernames on this site. From the top of my head.....

Current Air New Zealand fleet:
ZKNCI
ZKNCJ
ZKNCL
ZKOAB
ZKOJH
ZKOJQ
ZKOKA
ZKOKQ

Former Air New Zealand fleet:
ZKSUJ
ZK-NBT

Who am I missing?

Re: New Zealand Aviation thread part 180

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:33 am
by ZK-NBT
sqb7e wrote:
Qantas16 wrote:
sqb7e wrote:
Has anything publicly been released about EK going 380 in Christchurch at all?

I hear that from late October It will operate 380 chc/syd/dxb as ek413 and akl will pick up ek419 akl/syd/Bkk/dxb


That is an interesting idea, but I thought CHC wasn't A380 capable (for regular service anyway)...?



Pretty sure they have started or about to start getting an A380 gate ready for it. I think the gate was the only main issue when it came to CHC. Wouldn't think it will be to much longer until they announce.



Hmm possible and probably even quite likely for CHC to get an A380 from EK, with AKL now getting the non stop DXB-AKL It wouldn't surprise me if EK sent the 412/413 to CHC though it would be a fair drop in freight capacity, send the BKK 418/419 to AKL but I would expect the flight to get an A380 as well. MEL-SIN has an A380 now.

zkanz wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
This ones becoming to long

No need, new site splits the thread into 50 reply pages so is very manageable.

Also, I have been hearing talk around this site and various others about NZ introducing a new (premium-heavy) configuration for upcoming 789's. Can anyone confirm this? IMO it'd make sense, but would surely have to be coupled with conversion of some of the remaining options (how many are left? 4?) seeing as it'd be rather pointless to have 3 or 4 in a different configuration to the rest.


It's certainly been talked about, nothing has been officially announced so I doubt it will happen on the remaining 2 this year. There are 3 more due, 2 in 2017, 1 in 2018, beyond that I'd say we might see some additional orders soon if they plan to continue the growth of the last few years. I'd say 3-4 in a different config is where it will start with more coming later maybe more as a 772 replacement.