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c172akula wrote:Looking forward to trying out the JetBlue HAV flight in a few weeks. Coming back the same day that we fly MCO-YYC with WS. JetBlue and WestJet look to depart out of the same gate area correct? If so after clearing US Customs is there a way to stay in the secure area to go to our WS flight? Or do we have to go through security again?
c172akula wrote:If you do want to venture off into the main terminal building there's a larger selection of fast food restaurants in the middle of the complex. I grab a bite to eat at the Chick-fil-a generally before departing, there is also chairs with plugs in them for your phone or computer, unfortunately it requires going back through security.Looking forward to trying out the JetBlue HAV flight in a few weeks. Coming back the same day that we fly MCO-YYC with WS. JetBlue and WestJet look to depart out of the same gate area correct? If so after clearing US Customs is there a way to stay in the secure area to go to our WS flight? Or do we have to go through security again?
flymco753 wrote:You know, I can really see Hainan being a good candidate for Asian service, ANA, JAL, KE, MU...they don't seem as likely where Hainan can do a non daily 787 to PVG, thoughts?
tjh8402 wrote:After I think about it, you're right about Tokyo, so if we had to narrow that down, I think ANA could easily make a 777 work.flymco753 wrote:I think ANA, JAL, or KE would be slightly more likely. Tokyo and ICN are a slightly less challenging 6300 and 6500 nm from MCO, so still far, but not pushing something like a 787 as far. It would also be comfortably in range of 77Ws, A35Ks, and 777Xs, which, if they could fill them, would help lower CASM for the trip. I also believe Japan is more known for having Orlando as a popular vacation destination, so the O&D might be better from there, not to mention ANA and JAL could benefit from all their Asian connections, helping to fill those seats ((I saw an article from back in 1996 saying Japan-Orlando was 450 PDEW, and I doubt it's gone down in the last 20 years). Another interesting thought in favor of KE and JAL in particular is that their alliance partners (AA and DL) offer service MCO-MIA, and we hear all the time on this site how much traffic there is to South Florida from Asia. DL's flight would need to be rescheduled to offer a better connection, but the point is you could capture both O&D to MCO and maybe a little bit of traffic to MIA.
MCOGVADCA wrote:If Hainan were to come, it would be from PEK. And a triangle route with MIA. That being said, I think it's far more likely that they start MIA as a standalone route (Orlando is still as not as popular with Chinese tourists as it is with Japanese ones, in spite of other less prominent US destinations seeing a huge bump in Chinese tourists).
Are there numbers that actually show this as fact? I notice a heck of a lot more Chinese visitors here, than Japanese. I know quite a few of them are Chinese students visiting from other US cities, but even in the outlets they had decorations put up for Chinese New Year along with signs. There is a significant Vietnamese population here, but I think they were put up for the Chinese visitors.
flymco753 wrote:You know, I can really see Hainan being a good candidate for Asian service, ANA, JAL, KE, MU...they don't seem as likely where Hainan can do a non daily 787 to PVG, thoughts?
flymco753 wrote:I wonder how long it'll be until NK withdrawals from LBE now that they added PIT, virtually it's probably the same traffic.
MCOflyer wrote:I hope AA expands out of MCO like US had a mini hub before they were aquired by AW.
MCOGVADCA wrote:Are there numbers that actually show this as fact? I notice a heck of a lot more Chinese visitors here, than Japanese. I know quite a few of them are Chinese students visiting from other US cities, but even in the outlets they had decorations put up for Chinese New Year along with signs. There is a significant Vietnamese population here, but I think they were put up for the Chinese visitors.
2015 numbers indicate Tokyo is a much larger O&D market to MCO than any Chinese one...and by a significant number. Now, I haven't seen 2016, so perhaps it's grown, but I doubt PEK or PVG would overtake TYO. I fly PVG-MCO to go home twice a year, so I may be skewing the numbers
mcogator wrote:I found a older article(2013) that lists visitors by country. Japan and China are fairly close, but I'm sure the difference between NRT and one of the many airports in China is much bigger. What's surprising is that EZE doesn't see direct flights when there are that many visitors here from Argentina. Has there been a direct flight to EZE from MCO?
I found this old article that lists visitors by country
1. Canada- 3.56 million
2. Brazil- 1.6 million
3. UK- 1.58 million
4. Argentina- 603k
5. Venezuela- 451k
6. Mexico- 418k
7. Colombia- 369k
8. Germany- 346k
9. France- 290k
10. Australia- 278k
11. Japan- 278k
12. Spain- 249k
13. China- 231k
14. Peru
15. Italy- 170k
16. Sweden- 170k
17. Norway- 158k
18. Bahamas- 149k
19. Ecuador- 141k
20. Switzerland- 137k
21. Panama- 136k
mcogator wrote:MCOGVADCA wrote:Are there numbers that actually show this as fact? I notice a heck of a lot more Chinese visitors here, than Japanese. I know quite a few of them are Chinese students visiting from other US cities, but even in the outlets they had decorations put up for Chinese New Year along with signs. There is a significant Vietnamese population here, but I think they were put up for the Chinese visitors.
2015 numbers indicate Tokyo is a much larger O&D market to MCO than any Chinese one...and by a significant number. Now, I haven't seen 2016, so perhaps it's grown, but I doubt PEK or PVG would overtake TYO. I fly PVG-MCO to go home twice a year, so I may be skewing the numbers
I found a older article(2013) that lists visitors by country. Japan and China are fairly close, but I'm sure the difference between NRT and one of the many airports in China is much bigger. What's surprising is that EZE doesn't see direct flights when there are that many visitors here from Argentina. Has there been a direct flight to EZE from MCO?
I found this old article that lists visitors by country
1. Canada- 3.56 million
2. Brazil- 1.6 million
3. UK- 1.58 million
4. Argentina- 603k
5. Venezuela- 451k
6. Mexico- 418k
7. Colombia- 369k
8. Germany- 346k
9. France- 290k
10. Australia- 278k
11. Japan- 278k
12. Spain- 249k
13. China- 231k
14. Peru
15. Italy- 170k
16. Sweden- 170k
17. Norway- 158k
18. Bahamas- 149k
19. Ecuador- 141k
20. Switzerland- 137k
21. Panama- 136k
MAH4546 wrote:mcogator wrote:MCOGVADCA wrote:
2015 numbers indicate Tokyo is a much larger O&D market to MCO than any Chinese one...and by a significant number. Now, I haven't seen 2016, so perhaps it's grown, but I doubt PEK or PVG would overtake TYO. I fly PVG-MCO to go home twice a year, so I may be skewing the numbers
I found a older article(2013) that lists visitors by country. Japan and China are fairly close, but I'm sure the difference between NRT and one of the many airports in China is much bigger. What's surprising is that EZE doesn't see direct flights when there are that many visitors here from Argentina. Has there been a direct flight to EZE from MCO?
I found this old article that lists visitors by country
1. Canada- 3.56 million
2. Brazil- 1.6 million
3. UK- 1.58 million
4. Argentina- 603k
5. Venezuela- 451k
6. Mexico- 418k
7. Colombia- 369k
8. Germany- 346k
9. France- 290k
10. Australia- 278k
11. Japan- 278k
12. Spain- 249k
13. China- 231k
14. Peru
15. Italy- 170k
16. Sweden- 170k
17. Norway- 158k
18. Bahamas- 149k
19. Ecuador- 141k
20. Switzerland- 137k
21. Panama- 136k
Where is the article? Those numbers make no sense. 170k Italians to Orlando? No way. And that many Norwegians when the O&D wasn't even 15k annual passengers back then? Again, no way.
flymco753 wrote:EZE-MCO is a gap in MCO's SA service, a lot connect through GRU.
MCOGVADCA wrote:Aerolineas Argentinas served MCO the better part of two decades ago, but hasn't been back since. If Norwegian successfully sets up a low-fare, long-haul hub in Argentina, MCO 2-3x a week would seem like a prime candidate for service.
dabpit wrote:DY would be the best option because it's non daily so there's not excess seats in the market to begin with.MCOGVADCA wrote:Aerolineas Argentinas served MCO the better part of two decades ago, but hasn't been back since. If Norwegian successfully sets up a low-fare, long-haul hub in Argentina, MCO 2-3x a week would seem like a prime candidate for service.
That is a long time ago but an interesting bit of history since I doubt many people knew AR ever served MCO. I for one would hope Norwegian would start EZE-MCO/FLL.
Clipper136 wrote:JJ is bring back GIG x3 weekly in July. Probably seasonal, but possibly a sign of improvement in the Brazil/USA market?
AF086 wrote:Not seasonal. They are replacing their GIG-JFK for GIG-MCO.
Domestic traffic climbed 5.88 percent with 3,164,397 total travelers at MCO
International traffic declined 8.5 percent in January with 451,906 passengers
Overall passenger volume increased 3.84 percent with 3,616,303 total travelers
On a rolling 12-month basis MCO now breaks the 42 million annual passenger mark with a 7.29 percent increase, representing 42,057,023 travelers
Clipper136 wrote:No. Additional terminal.
usxguy wrote:Regarding growth, I'm hearing Copa is going to add yet *another* flight to Panama City. Amazing what they've done to Panama City. On my flights from Santiago, CL and Buenos Aires, it was interesting talking with the flight crews at how people are actually going to PTY - on both flights the FAs said it was barely double digits.
tjh8402 wrote:Another discussion of Asia to MCO traffic got me thinking and I had a wild thought: what about ANA using the A380 on an MCO run? We've established that there's a large number of PDEW (350-450 have been numbers thrown around). however, being mostly leisure, they are theoretically less choosy about schedule. If ANA goes for a pretty dense say 600-700 seat configuration on the A380, they could help keep CASM down (always the challenge with long haul leisure) and run the flights a few days a week. If theres a total of 2800 PWEW (400 PDEW), and 70% aren't pickey about the day of the week, they could run a 650 seat A380 3x weekly and handle those passengers. Any predictions on the HNL schedules? Will the A380s be dedicated on that route daily? If those flights won't be taking up the whole fleet, they could split them between the two destinations.
flymco753 wrote:That's good news for MCO, I suspect the next SA addition outside of Brazil would be EZE. I'm actually surprised REC made it this far.
mcogator wrote:Just quickly glancing over the 1/16 and 1/17 numbers without doing any calculations, the biggest losers(without considering any change of capacity)look to be LH, VS, and JJ.
dabpit wrote:PHOTOID S THREEID TWOIDmcogator wrote:Update on potential South(international) Terminal architecture.
So far it looks good. This expansion is much needed. The airport is running out of room especially for international flights.
Hillis wrote:How many gates will the South Terminal add for MCO?
dabpit wrote:flymco753 wrote:That's good news for MCO, I suspect the next SA addition outside of Brazil would be EZE. I'm actually surprised REC made it this far.
It would be nice to see LATAM add BSB back. Just wait, in about a year or two Norwegian will be flying EZE-MCO![]()
usxguy wrote:The economy down there still isn't that good. Daily protests it seems like, at least that's what I observed and my ex tells me (he's Argentine). I think we'll see SCL-MCO before EZE-MCO. Was still interesting watching the currency ride during my month down there in December. Chile & even Uruguay seemed super stable against the USD.
usxguy wrote:Apparently AD's next route is VCP-EZE with the A330. And that makes sense, we bought tickets on QR GRU-EZE, 2 weeks before the flight the folks on Loadshare (fb) said it had about 165 open seats. Guy at the counter told us it had only 35 open, and GOL was full (they were booked about 1/2 full the same time we asked for QR). So quite the robust changes in both Brazil and Argentina, so I'd think AD would capitalize, or try to, on MCO-EZE via VCP if they can. Friends at AD said both FLL/MCO have their "super bad" days, but overall do well with maybe 10-15 open seats on the peak days.
mcogator wrote:Big time, B6 took over the pad like mosquitos mid summer, they're everwhere.In the back of my Lyft and just drove by the remote parking off of the 528, there are 11 B6, 6 or 7 AA, and 1 or 2 Fronteir jets parked out there. I've never seen so many! I assume NE weather?
flymco753 wrote:mcogator wrote:Big time, B6 took over the pad like mosquitos mid summer, they're everwhere.In the back of my Lyft and just drove by the remote parking off of the 528, there are 11 B6, 6 or 7 AA, and 1 or 2 Fronteir jets parked out there. I've never seen so many! I assume NE weather?
fsafsx wrote:More than likely not.It's a matter of time before Spirit adds MCO to IND and CMH.
fsafsx wrote:Historically they've ran 2x daily in the summer, yes they also run 2 76Ws as well, GIG will also be a 76W.LATAM removed the A350 after the start of GIG, but increased frequency to 2x daily GRU.
fsafsx wrote:It's a matter of time before Spirit adds MCO to IND and CMH.
flymco753 wrote:LATAM operations this summer will look like;
2x daily GRU 76W
3x weekly GIG 76W
1x daily LIM 320
2x weekly SCL 787
fsafsx wrote:It's a matter of time before Spirit adds MCO to IND and CMH.
Midwestindy wrote:I would be mildly surprised if they added MCO to IND, IND already has DL/F9/WN/G4 flying to MCO I don't know if the demand is there for another flight to orlando. CMH might come first because they only have DL/F9/WN and LCK-MCO on G4. Personally I don't want any more ULCC in IND!
dabpit wrote:NK is done with those types of markets, CAK came to show that so it's more likely you'll see cities of the larger caliber getting NK service, and NK will continue to expand DTW, IAH, BWI, DFW, and LAS predominately. Not saying that eventually they may get service, but right now it's very unlikely in the near term. You'll probably see more the lines of DTW-BNA or IAH-CLT.fsafsx wrote:It's a matter of time before Spirit adds MCO to IND and CMH.Midwestindy wrote:I would be mildly surprised if they added MCO to IND, IND already has DL/F9/WN/G4 flying to MCO I don't know if the demand is there for another flight to orlando. CMH might come first because they only have DL/F9/WN and LCK-MCO on G4. Personally I don't want any more ULCC in IND!
G4 flies to SFB not MCO. The next round of NK flights might be to a few of these CMH, DAY, MDT, ABE, ROC, ALB, SDF, LIT, OKC, or ICT.
iFlyDTW wrote:NK is done with those types of markets, CAK came to show that so it's more likely you'll see cities of the larger caliber getting NK service, and NK will continue to expand DTW, IAH, BWI, DFW, and LAS predominately. Not saying that eventually they may get service, but right now it's very unlikely in the near term. You'll probably see more the lines of DTW-BNA or IAH-CLT.