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Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:46 pm

JetBlue Airways plans to return to Atlanta.

The New York-based low-cost carrier has long been missing from the world’s busiest airport. But JetBlue last week sent a letter of interest to Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport, saying it plans to renew service to Atlanta in September 2017.

The airline said it plans 16 daily flights as long as it can get access to two gates suitable for large aircraft “and higher end business and leisure travelers that JetBlue is targeting in the Atlanta market.”

“We believe that the Atlanta air market is currently overpriced and suffering from insufficient competition,” JetBlue vice president of network planning, Dave Clark, wrote in a letter to Hartsfield-Jackson interim general manager Roosevelt Council.

http://www.ajc.com/news/business/jetblu ... -17/nrts2/
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:57 pm

It's very interesting that this became public 14 months ahead of the proposed launch date. And it very much sounds like they are trying to angle for any T-gate vacancy.
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:02 pm

Makes sense.

They'll never amount to a real threat to DL in the ATL-NYC/FLL/MCO markets, but they're also now big enough to endure any bullying DL would throw at them.... and both sides know both things.

I doubt much ado will be made out of this, other than a few fare sales and maybe some initial double-mile offerings.
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:05 pm

Not surprised one bit by this. JetBlue was bound to come someday.
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:55 pm

16 daily flights seems a little high for start-up service? Yes WN opened stations with more daily flights than that however their network also gives them more flexibility than that of B6. Where will B6 send those flights? My guess is....

BOSx3
FLLx3
JFKx4
MCOx3
SJUx1
TPAx2
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:43 pm

TWA85 wrote:
16 daily flights seems a little high for start-up service? Yes WN opened stations with more daily flights than that however their network also gives them more flexibility than that of B6. Where will B6 send those flights? My guess is....

BOSx3
FLLx3
JFKx4
MCOx3
SJUx1
TPAx2


Two gates doesn't equate 16 flights. A business-traveler friendly schedule of 10 flights to two destinations may well require two gates.
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:01 pm

I posted this already and it's gone. No idea why.

#1 Was this leaked for the other airline's benefit? It would seem it gives the other airlines an opportunity to assure no gates will be available.

#2 My guess is that they have to say they will operate 16 to get two gates, but won't really operate that many.

#3 B6 was waiting for WN to bail out of ATLBOS, but they got tired of waiting.
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:12 pm

My opinion on this situation...: :roll:
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:14 pm

Slightly off topic but worth bringing up. I'd also suggest that JetBlue should jump in on starting MSP. With 3 new gates opening in terminal 2 it might be a great opportunity to snag a gate up before there gone!:)
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:22 pm

enilria wrote:
I posted this already and it's gone. No idea why.

#1 Was this leaked for the other airline's benefit? It would seem it gives the other airlines an opportunity to assure no gates will be available.

#2 My guess is that they have to say they will operate 16 to get two gates, but won't really operate that many.

#3 B6 was waiting for WN to bail out of ATLBOS, but they got tired of waiting.

do you honestly believe that an airline an starts flying to a city and the other airlines don't find out till the press release happens?

my guess is they end up benefiting from AA moving to T completely and those D gates becoming CUTE.
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:05 pm

Their last ATL try was doomed for failure from the start. I like 16 flights to start...you have to go big or go home in ATL as they learned.

If they start with 16:

4X JFK
3X BOS
1X SJU - no other LCC competition
2X EWR - no LCC competition/focusing on expansion there
2X LAX - possibly Mint?
2X SFO - possibly Mint?
2X DCA - if they have slots

FLL and MCO has a ton of LCC competition (WN and NK) plus DL. I think they missed the boat on Florida.
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:54 am

jco613 wrote:
1X SJU - no other LCC competition


That surprised me. Indeed, Southwest has a dozen flights out of SJU today and none to ATL.
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:05 am

SWA has simply blown their Atlanta opportunity and sadly it seems DL has prevailed and how much we miss AirTran
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:15 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
jco613 wrote:
1X SJU - no other LCC competition


That surprised me. Indeed, Southwest has a dozen flights out of SJU today and none to ATL.

see the above. ATL-SJU was one of WN's original SJU routes, but it didn't work for them. I hesitate to put it as a B6 destination, but they make ORD work, so who knows.
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:27 am

n471wn wrote:
SWA has simply blown their Atlanta opportunity and sadly it seems DL has prevailed and how much we miss AirTran


They blew ATL except ATL-Florida. Still a major city for them, but I agree they missed some big opportunities
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:05 am

JetBlueCLT wrote:
Slightly off topic but worth bringing up. I'd also suggest that JetBlue should jump in on starting MSP. With 3 new gates opening in terminal 2 it might be a great opportunity to snag a gate up before there gone!:)


As a MSP resident, I have been trying to find out what MAC plans to do with the gates. SY is growing, so I see them getting one, especially in the heavy winter travel season.
What about the other two? WN? Does Frontier or Spirit move to T2?
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Sat Jul 09, 2016 8:33 am

jco613 wrote:
Their last ATL try was doomed for failure from the start. I like 16 flights to start...you have to go big or go home in ATL as they learned.

If they start with 16:

4X JFK
3X BOS
1X SJU - no other LCC competition
2X EWR - no LCC competition/focusing on expansion there
2X LAX - possibly Mint?
2X SFO - possibly Mint?
2X DCA - if they have slots

FLL and MCO has a ton of LCC competition (WN and NK) plus DL. I think they missed the boat on Florida.

How does FLL/MCO miss the cut due to competition but LAX (5 airlines, DL, WN, NK, AA, F9) and SFO/OAK (3 airlines DL, UA, WN) make it?

B6 made the mistake of trying dumb long routes like that before. I don't think they will be stupid enough to do it again. At least FLL and MCO are somewhat hubs. LAX/SFO are just spokes for B6.
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:49 pm

deltal1011man wrote:
jco613 wrote:
Their last ATL try was doomed for failure from the start. I like 16 flights to start...you have to go big or go home in ATL as they learned.

If they start with 16:

4X JFK
3X BOS
1X SJU - no other LCC competition
2X EWR - no LCC competition/focusing on expansion there
2X LAX - possibly Mint?
2X SFO - possibly Mint?
2X DCA - if they have slots

FLL and MCO has a ton of LCC competition (WN and NK) plus DL. I think they missed the boat on Florida.

How does FLL/MCO miss the cut due to competition but LAX (5 airlines, DL, WN, NK, AA, F9) and SFO/OAK (3 airlines DL, UA, WN) make it?

B6 made the mistake of trying dumb long routes like that before. I don't think they will be stupid enough to do it again. At least FLL and MCO are somewhat hubs. LAX/SFO are just spokes for B6.


I agree that there is better likelihood of B6 covering ATL-FLL with a hub on the FLL side. But, if F9 and NK can get their TSA PreCheck together and maintain enough repeat business, both ULCCs might stick on ATL-MCO long term and B6 might avoid that route with ULCC fare pressure.
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Sun Jul 10, 2016 1:42 am

Here my predictions for B6 at ATL
They will start out with JFK,BOS,FLL.MCO maybe DCA and TPA.
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:12 am

It will be interesting to see which gates they will use. The current CUTE gates on D concourse are being fully utilized by Spirit, Frontier, and Alaska. I'm not sure if the city still has control over any of the gates Delta is using on the south side of D. Possibly could use gates on E, but that would make Delta's international flights interesting. Once the gates are added to T concourse, the current USAir/AA gates on D will be available, but that is still several years away.
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:49 am

deltal1011man wrote:
jco613 wrote:
Their last ATL try was doomed for failure from the start. I like 16 flights to start...you have to go big or go home in ATL as they learned.

If they start with 16:

4X JFK
3X BOS
1X SJU - no other LCC competition
2X EWR - no LCC competition/focusing on expansion there
2X LAX - possibly Mint?
2X SFO - possibly Mint?
2X DCA - if they have slots

FLL and MCO has a ton of LCC competition (WN and NK) plus DL. I think they missed the boat on Florida.

How does FLL/MCO miss the cut due to competition but LAX (5 airlines, DL, WN, NK, AA, F9) and SFO/OAK (3 airlines DL, UA, WN) make it?

B6 made the mistake of trying dumb long routes like that before. I don't think they will be stupid enough to do it again. At least FLL and MCO are somewhat hubs. LAX/SFO are just spokes for B6.


They were 1/4 the size they are now back when they did OAK/LGB out of ATL 13 years ago, now they are a whole lot bigger/better. Plus B6 publicly said after they lost the bid for VX that they plan on growing the west coast up into some focus cities organically. So the "just spokes" you speak of won't be "just spokes" by the time they start a build up on the west coast. ATL will make a sure bet to get that feed, and much higher success chance now.
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:25 am

JetBlueCLT wrote:
Slightly off topic but worth bringing up. I'd also suggest that JetBlue should jump in on starting MSP. With 3 new gates opening in terminal 2 it might be a great opportunity to snag a gate up before there gone!:)

NK just recent relocated from T2. I don't think that was suppose to be temporary. Though I thought MACs plan was to make T1 a Skyteam Terminal, so you might be right. It would be great to see B6 start service out of MSP. They've been too shy too long.
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:42 am

LAX772LR wrote:
Makes sense.

They'll never amount to a real threat to DL in the ATL-NYC/FLL/MCO markets, but they're also now big enough to endure any bullying DL would throw at them.... and both sides know both things.

I doubt much ado will be made out of this, other than a few fare sales and maybe some initial double-mile offerings.


If DL bullies them, I wonder if B6 has enough power to bully them back at JFK? Or are we beyond those silly fare wars?
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:52 am

USAirKid wrote:
If DL bullies them, I wonder if B6 has enough power to bully them back at JFK? Or are we beyond those silly fare wars?

IINM, DL is still larger than B6 at JFK... there's no way for B6 to bully them into any particular action

The only thing that they (like any significantly sized airline) can really do is lower fares to trash yields. But they hurt themselves as much, if not more, in the process as well.
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:56 pm

Hey, there's still an LGB slot left :)
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:30 pm

I see it like this if the 16 daily flights with 2 gates claim is accurate:

BOS 6x - To compete with DL's robust schedule
FLL 2x
MCO 2x
JFK 2x
SJU 2x - No LCC competition (DL only 2x)
EWR 2x - No LCC competition
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:00 am

Very interesting to see this discussed publicly so far in advance. Is this at all common? Or is this specifically because of the lack of available gates at ATL?

Nonetheless, B6's return to ATL is long overdue. B6 is a much larger and established airline than when it largely failed in ATL in 2003. With strong bases at BOS, JFK, FLL, and MCO, B6 has some pretty strong focus cities to connect to the world's busiest airport.

cessna53996 wrote:
I see it like this if the 16 daily flights with 2 gates claim is accurate:

BOS 6x - To compete with DL's robust schedule
FLL 2x
MCO 2x
JFK 2x
SJU 2x - No LCC competition (DL only 2x)
EWR 2x - No LCC competition


I pretty much agree, except for the SJU and EWR flights. I would think ATL-SJU O/D is next to none, and B6 will look to use its limited EWR gates for its strengths (more Florida, Caribbean flying).
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:40 am

cessna53996 wrote:
I see it like this if the 16 daily flights with 2 gates claim is accurate:

BOS 6x - To compete with DL's robust schedule
FLL 2x
MCO 2x
JFK 2x
SJU 2x - No LCC competition (DL only 2x)
EWR 2x - No LCC competition


are they really down to just 2X ATL-SJU. Sad sad sad. I remember DL had a great operation of 5-6X L1011/767s to SJU. I've really gotta stop living in the past.

I didn't really think of EWR, but the poster above is right about the lack of gate space. But, 2017 is still a long (but not too far) ways away...
 
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Re: Jetblue planning Atlanta flights in Sep 2017

Thu Jul 14, 2016 3:16 am

jco613 wrote:
cessna53996 wrote:
I see it like this if the 16 daily flights with 2 gates claim is accurate:

BOS 6x - To compete with DL's robust schedule
FLL 2x
MCO 2x
JFK 2x
SJU 2x - No LCC competition (DL only 2x)
EWR 2x - No LCC competition


are they really down to just 2X ATL-SJU. Sad sad sad. I remember DL had a great operation of 5-6X L1011/767s to SJU. I've really gotta stop living in the past.

I didn't really think of EWR, but the poster above is right about the lack of gate space. But, 2017 is still a long (but not too far) ways away...


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