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While I was very critical of the initial update to the site, as it was basically unusable. This blue version is great and very nice to use. Yes some areas could get a little polish, but there is absolutely nothing damaging the ability to use it. plus it still feels like A.net.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 143

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VA171 has returned to Brisbane - reason unknown. Also happened on the 23rd of July.


VA have once again cancelled operations to Port Vila citing the condition of the runway.

Update on PORT VILA, VANUATU as at 5.45pm Tuesday 2 August 2016

Following repair works earlier this year, Virgin Australia has been conducting regular inspections of the runway at Port Vila, Vanuatu. Yesterday our team of safety experts on the ground identified that the condition of the runway has deteriorated. Until we have greater confidence in the ongoing maintenance of the runway, Virgin Australia is halting operations in and out of Port Vila until further notice.

Virgin Australia will operate a ferry service from Brisbane to Port Vila tomorrow, supported by additional safety measures, in order to repatriate customers out of Vanuatu.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 143

Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:53 am

LATAM/Qantas Group expands codeshare routes

LATAM Airlines Chile operated by Jetstar
Auckland – Brisbane
Auckland – Gold Coast
Auckland – Melbourne
Auckland – Perth
Sydney – Gold Coast
Sydney – Perth

LATAM Airlines Chile operated by QANTAS
Sydney – Adelaide
Sydney – Brisbane

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... july-2016/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 143

Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:55 am

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LATAM/Qantas Group expands codeshare routes

LATAM Airlines Chile operated by Jetstar
Auckland – Brisbane
Auckland – Gold Coast
Auckland – Melbourne
Auckland – Perth
Sydney – Gold Coast
Sydney – Perth

LATAM Airlines Chile operated by QANTAS
Sydney – Adelaide
Sydney – Brisbane

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... july-2016/


Since when does JQ operate BNE-AKL-BNE? BNE is my home airport and know AKL is a QF flight, with JQ's only international flights from BNE being to DPS and HNL on the 787.
 
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Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:16 am

Bluebird191 wrote:
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LATAM/Qantas Group expands codeshare routes

LATAM Airlines Chile operated by Jetstar
Auckland – Brisbane
Auckland – Gold Coast
Auckland – Melbourne
Auckland – Perth
Sydney – Gold Coast
Sydney – Perth

LATAM Airlines Chile operated by QANTAS
Sydney – Adelaide
Sydney – Brisbane

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... july-2016/


Since when does JQ operate BNE-AKL-BNE? BNE is my home airport and know AKL is a QF flight, with JQ's only international flights from BNE being to DPS and HNL on the 787.


They don't. They don't operate AKL-PER either.
 
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Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:30 am

Was thinking about VA/TT's DPS operations and how they switched MEL/ADL/PER to TT but not SYD/BNE.

Particularly for BNE, one reason would be the ability for international connections from New Zealand. Their current daily 10:05am departure allows connections from WLG, AKL, CHC and this would surely feed the flight quite well. While this would potentially still be possible with a split VA/TT op, it would be easier with the one carrier.
 
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Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:38 am

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LATAM/Qantas Group expands codeshare routes

LATAM Airlines Chile operated by Jetstar
Auckland – Brisbane
Auckland – Gold Coast
Auckland – Melbourne
Auckland – Perth
Sydney – Gold Coast
Sydney – Perth

LATAM Airlines Chile operated by QANTAS
Sydney – Adelaide
Sydney – Brisbane

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... july-2016/


Most of those "JQ" routes are only served by QF. I wonder what comes up on the LATAM website then.
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Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:53 am

Anyone know why QF1 is returning/returned to SYD?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 143

Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:06 am

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Anyone know why QF1 is returning/returned to SYD?


Its a technical issue, QF1 was at FL310 when it initiated a rapid decent to 10000 feet which could possibly be a pressurisaton problem

http://www.theqantassource.com/qantas-a ... al-return/
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Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:15 am

Reports suggest that QF1 returned to SYD as the aircraft's cabin heating system registered an error

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-up ... 367ef768a9
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Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:27 am

Second runway for BNE seems to be progressing. It appears all the dredged sand that has been pumped in to place is now ready to settle for some time before further work can proceed on the future (hope I get this right) 01L/19R:

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Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:07 am

MU is planning to launch SYD-WUH-XIY flights by the end of the year

http://www.ausbt.com.au/china-eastern-p ... an-flights
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:14 am

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MU is planning to launch SYD-WUH-XIY flights by the end of the year

http://www.ausbt.com.au/china-eastern-p ... an-flights


The article mentions CZ's proposed CAN-ADL route - was this route recently quietly removed from the relevant systems after being loaded or is that my imagination? I seem to recall that happening but don't know where to find the info atm.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 143

Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:22 am

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LATAM/Qantas Group expands codeshare routes

LATAM Airlines Chile operated by Jetstar
Auckland – Brisbane
Auckland – Gold Coast
Auckland – Melbourne
Auckland – Perth
Sydney – Gold Coast
Sydney – Perth

LATAM Airlines Chile operated by QANTAS
Sydney – Adelaide
Sydney – Brisbane

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... july-2016/


Its surprising that this is only one way - why are there no QF additions to the LATAM network I wonder?
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:24 am

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qf789 wrote:
MU is planning to launch SYD-WUH-XIY flights by the end of the year

http://www.ausbt.com.au/china-eastern-p ... an-flights


The article mentions CZ's proposed CAN-ADL route - was this route recently quietly removed from the relevant systems after being loaded or is that my imagination? I seem to recall that happening but don't know where to find the info atm.


Yes it had been mentioned by someone else on this thread that they had quietly removed from the relevant systems after being loaded, though since then the SA government has signed a deal with CZ. In the following article it says flights will begin as soon as December, which doesn't sound overly convincing

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/ ... 0ad0ba3c97
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:43 am

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Bluebird191 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
MU is planning to launch SYD-WUH-XIY flights by the end of the year

http://www.ausbt.com.au/china-eastern-p ... an-flights


The article mentions CZ's proposed CAN-ADL route - was this route recently quietly removed from the relevant systems after being loaded or is that my imagination? I seem to recall that happening but don't know where to find the info atm.


Yes it had been mentioned by someone else on this thread that they had quietly removed from the relevant systems after being loaded, though since then the SA government has signed a deal with CZ. In the following article it says flights will begin as soon as December, which doesn't sound overly convincing

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/ ... 0ad0ba3c97


I'm personally not very hopeful it will start - SQ, CX and EK are all quite strong players in the ADL international market, then adding NZ to AKL, and both TT and JQ to DPS, you may find QR like load factors. I'll believe it when I see it with CZ starting services to ADL - to boost their Australian flights and network I would have thought going double daily to BNE would have been a better option, to give a daylight and a redeye flight available in both directions.
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:04 am

QF will take delivery of 1st 789 in October 2017. Initial destinations will be firmed up over the coming months

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-fly-f ... tober-2017

JQ eyes more non-stop flights into China

http://www.ausbt.com.au/jetstar-austral ... s-to-china
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:43 am

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LATAM/Qantas Group expands codeshare routes

LATAM Airlines Chile operated by Jetstar
Auckland – Perth

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... july-2016/


How does this work!?!? JQ doesn't fly AKL-PER, does it???
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:44 am

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The article mentions CZ's proposed CAN-ADL route - was this route recently quietly removed from the relevant systems after being loaded or is that my imagination? I seem to recall that happening but don't know where to find the info atm.


Yes it had been mentioned by someone else on this thread that they had quietly removed from the relevant systems after being loaded, though since then the SA government has signed a deal with CZ. In the following article it says flights will begin as soon as December, which doesn't sound overly convincing

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/ ... 0ad0ba3c97


I'm personally not very hopeful it will start - SQ, CX and EK are all quite strong players in the ADL international market, then adding NZ to AKL, and both TT and JQ to DPS, you may find QR like load factors. I'll believe it when I see it with CZ starting services to ADL - to boost their Australian flights and network I would have thought going double daily to BNE would have been a better option, to give a daylight and a redeye flight available in both directions.


3x weekly on an A330 is hardly that ambitious and it will likely be "subsidised" in some way by ADL/SA Govt. so I would see it happening soon. Also don't forget it should be a QF Codeshare which will help. SQ is only 1x daily and CX is 4x weekly so it's a lot less competition and CZ will undercut both of those significantly on price (which they do everywhere) so they won't have trouble filling seats.

That being said, would love to see double daily BNE! Will probably wait to see the effect that MU will have on the market before any expansion (I would assume by increasing to 10x weekly and double daily in peak).
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:00 am

Thai Airways International in this week’s schedule update has adjusted planned operation for Bangkok – Brisbane and Bangkok – Perth route, during Northern winter 2016/17 season. From 30OCT16 to 25MAR17, selected flights will see departure time shift to morning departure from Bangkok. Departure time from Brisbane and Perth will move to late-night and afternoon hours, respectively.

Revised operational schedule for both routes as follow.

Bangkok – Brisbane
TG473 BKK0001 – 1205BNE 787 x246
TG477 BKK0900 – 2105BNE 787 246

TG474 BNE1400 – 2010BKK 787 x246
TG478 BNE2340 – 0550+1BKK 787 246

Bangkok – Perth
TG483 BKK0001 – 0755PER 787 246
TG481 BKK0720 – 1515PER 787 x246

TG484 PER0915 – 1510BKK 787 246
TG482 PER1630 – 2225BKK 787 x246

Source: http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... =hootsuite


Interesting that they are mixing up their schedules for BNE & PER. This will allow them to capture some European connections which previously had to layover in BKK for 18+ hours on way to BNE.
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:15 am

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QF will take delivery of 1st 789 in October 2017. Initial destinations will be firmed up over the coming months

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-fly-f ... tober-2017


I read this and saw the comment:

"There will be a big business class and a big premium economy cabin," Joyce promised – and while the economy seats will be nine-across in a 3-3-3 arrangement, Joyce maintained "we will be giving some very good seat pitch for economy seats given the the lengths we’ll be flying."

Given that QF economy is a 31" pitch, I wonder if it will be at least 34" or possibly even up to say 38" with an increased seat recline and foot rests? This would make Y appear similar to the existing Y+ which makes me wonder if they will be debuting a new Y+ product in the 789.

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Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:22 am

Doubt it would be as much as 38". 34" at most is my guess.
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:42 am

QF operates extra SYD-HNL flight to cover cancelled JQ flight

http://www.theqantassource.com/qantas-a ... ulu-extra/

Both Hong Kong and Fiji have shown little enthusiasm to renegotiate bilateral air services agreement

http://australianaviation.com.au/2016/0 ... agreement/
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:44 am

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QF will take delivery of 1st 789 in October 2017.


At long last ! Had the 787 program been on time and had QF not cancelled their initial order, these birds would've been in service for some 6-7 years by the time QF gets them next year.

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Given that QF economy is a 31" pitch, I wonder if it will be at least 34" or possibly even up to say 38" with an increased seat recline and foot rests?


38" is Y+ territory. Not gonna happen for Y. Expect 32-34".
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Both Hong Kong and Fiji have shown little enthusiasm to renegotiate bilateral air services agreement


Music to QF's and VA (who have hinted at starting HKG) ears, but not so good for CX.

CX will just have to put bigger aircraft onto existing routes. This will come naturally as the A359 gradually comes on-board and replaces some of the A333 services, but for SYD which already has a 2x daily 77W, there isn't much room to grow unless they use their future 777X.
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:12 am

MH has also adjusted their PER schedule/flight numbers, instead of a departure around 4pm ex PER it will now be a redeye

MH127 KUL1935 – 0105+1PER 333 D
MH126 PER0210 – 0740KUL 333 D

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... e-changes/
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38" is Y+ territory. Not gonna happen for Y. Expect 32-34".


I do realise that but when they're suggesting only 165 Y Pax in the overall config for the 787 (out of 42 J and 24 Y+) then it seems like there is some space available. Happy to be corrected.


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I do realise that but when they're suggesting only 165 Y Pax in the overall config for the 787 (out of 42 J and 24 Y+) then it seems like there is some space available. Happy to be corrected.


ANA have a configuration of 48J/21Y+/146Y on their 787-9's and their Y seats have 33 or 34", so QF with a 48J/28Y+/165Y configuration isn't going to fit 38" for Y. 38' is what is currently offered in QF Y+, so unfortunately not going to happen.
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:38 pm

There have been a few EK flights affected due to the events that happened in DXB on Wednesday

EK408/409 - DXB-KUL-MEL scheduled to arrive in MEL 100am Friday, due in around 615am
EK420/421 - DXB-PER flight cancelled on Thursday
EK424/425 - DXB-PER scheduled to arrive at 1250am, now due in at 520am
EK432/433 - DXB-BNE scheduled to arrive 1030pm Thursday, now due in 600am on Friday
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ANA have a configuration of 48J/21Y+/146Y on their 787-9's and their Y seats have 33 or 34", so QF with a 48J/28Y+/165Y configuration isn't going to fit 38" for Y. 38' is what is currently offered in QF Y+, so unfortunately not going to happen.


Forgot about ANA's config. Thanks for that. 34" should still be quite comfortable.
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Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:50 am

QF CEO AJ has said today there are no plans for more A380's, the current 8 they have on option with Airbus will be pushed out for at least the next 10 years

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-ceo-no-p ... rbus-a380s

AirAsia X plans direct BNE-KUL flights, TSV is also on the radar

Direct flights between Brisbane and Kuala Lumpur are now a matter of ‘when’ rather than ‘if’ for AirAsia X, with the Queensland capital central to the low-cost airline’s plans for expansion.

Non-stop flights to KL from regional centres such as Townsville are also being considered,



http://www.ausbt.com.au/airasia-x-plans ... ur-flights
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qf789 wrote:
QF CEO AJ has said today there are no plans for more A380's, the current 8 they have on option with Airbus will be pushed out for at least the next 10 years

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-ceo-no-p ... rbus-a380s

AirAsia X plans direct BNE-KUL flights, TSV is also on the radar

Direct flights between Brisbane and Kuala Lumpur are now a matter of ‘when’ rather than ‘if’ for AirAsia X, with the Queensland capital central to the low-cost airline’s plans for expansion.

Non-stop flights to KL from regional centres such as Townsville are also being considered,



http://www.ausbt.com.au/airasia-x-plans ... ur-flights


How far away are the AK A320 NEO?. Surely D7 aren't going to try it with a 380+ seat A330!
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Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:15 am

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How far away are the AK A320 NEO?. Surely D7 aren't going to try it with a 380+ seat A330!


Their first A320neo is due later this year, first A321neo in 2019
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Fri Aug 05, 2016 5:26 am

qf789 wrote:
QF CEO AJ has said today there are no plans for more A380's, the current 8 they have on option with Airbus will be pushed out for at least the next 10 years

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-ceo-no-p ... rbus-a380s

AirAsia X plans direct BNE-KUL flights, TSV is also on the radar

Direct flights between Brisbane and Kuala Lumpur are now a matter of ‘when’ rather than ‘if’ for AirAsia X, with the Queensland capital central to the low-cost airline’s plans for expansion.

Non-stop flights to KL from regional centres such as Townsville are also being considered,



http://www.ausbt.com.au/airasia-x-plans ... ur-flights


Will be interesting to see BNE-KUL up against OOL-KUL. OOL-KUL is currently 11x weekly flights, including daily flight that operates KUL-OOL-AKL-OOL-KUL. I would assume they would launch with 4x weekly ops replacing the additional 4x weekly flights at OOL, before building it to daily.

This will place competition to the planned (but not announced) OD flight KUL-DPS-BNE
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2016 5:44 am

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38" is Y+ territory. Not gonna happen for Y. Expect 32-34".


I do realise that but when they're suggesting only 165 Y Pax in the overall config for the 787 (out of 42 J and 24 Y+) then it seems like there is some space available. Happy to be corrected.

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165 does sound very low for an 789, heck Jetstar has around 189 on the 788. NZ has about 303 with 18 J, 24PE, and the rest as Y.
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:34 am

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Chipmunk1973 wrote:
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38" is Y+ territory. Not gonna happen for Y. Expect 32-34".


I do realise that but when they're suggesting only 165 Y Pax in the overall config for the 787 (out of 42 J and 24 Y+) then it seems like there is some space available. Happy to be corrected.

Cheers.


165 does sound very low for an 789, heck Jetstar has around 189 on the 788. NZ has about 303 with 18 J, 24PE, and the rest as Y.


The only way it can possibly get the ULH 789 performance it is suggesting is to use a lower density config.

It would potentially be a higher premium cabin % but such a layout will also cause some challenges, as less overall passengers does make things harder to achieve the yields it would likely require to make the services work.

JQ and NZ examples can not be compared to this situation as the suggested missions will likely be very different.
 
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165 does sound very low for an 789, heck Jetstar has around 189 on the 788. NZ has about 303 with 18 J, 24PE, and the rest as Y.


Jetstar's 788's are configured 21J 314Y
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Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:16 am

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Chipmunk1973 wrote:
ANA have a configuration of 48J/21Y+/146Y on their 787-9's and their Y seats have 33 or 34", so QF with a 48J/28Y+/165Y configuration isn't going to fit 38" for Y. 38' is what is currently offered in QF Y+, so unfortunately not going to happen.


Forgot about ANA's config. Thanks for that. 34" should still be quite comfortable.



I see (well at least according to seatguru) that ANA have now gone for 9 abreast in some of their 787s.

Avoiding the 9 abreast 787s and the 10 abreast 777s is regrettably becoming harder by the day.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 143

Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:06 am

Hey guys,
I agree with QF789 in the QF A380 thread currently running that it is possible a small incremental order for Dreamliner 9s may be announced on 24 August. I just think its more likely an order may be made this time next year to draw more media attention to the Dreamliners about to arrive in service ...
However, I want to ask about JQ and their 11 x -8s. Does anyone think that more will be ordered for JQ, if only to take them back to the originally planned 14 or 15? Anyone heard any speculation or have any thoughts on this? Also, what do you all think about the larger models of the Dreamliner entering JQ service? I would think unlikely, but if the -10 in particular meets it's promise on medium range routes and JQ can fill them into and around Asia/Hawaii....
While on the topic, has there been any recent 'vision' statements from JQ HQ about longer range route growth? All that speculation about 'southern Europe' and 'Americas' was just that - speculation? or so deferred it seems impossible? With relative financial stability returning to the QF Group, and mainline certainly appearing to be in an expansionary mode (albeit very cautiously of course), what about growth at JQ?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 143

Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:37 am

I'm curious, I recall the originally theory for JQ and QF having different narrow body fleets relating to different pay scales for tech crew - yet this doesn't seem to be an issue for the 787s - whilst 800 V 900, I doubt that would hold much weight. As such do you think we could see QF take on some of those NEO? How many many CEOs does JQ have? That would be a very large narrow body fleet, and could lead to some significant savings in maintanecne, and ground handling? Would contanarised loading also benefit QF? I could see some 321NEOs being useful on the triangle, Tasman, and some Asia flying ex- ADL and PER. A premium fleet for Asia and transcon, like AA and B6, and a domestic version for domestic, and Tasman... 380 deposits would need to go somewhere no?

With regard to configure for the 789, I could see a long range version, and a mid-haul version, potentially also the 787-1. NZ are rumoured to have a new configure coming soon, leisure vs premium. Premium is rumoured to replace/boost 772 flying into Asia and into the states. I don't see why QF couldn't do the same. Open up some nice long routes, then second wave replace 330s to Asia.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 143

Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:28 pm

bunumuring wrote:
Hey guys,
I agree with QF789 in the QF A380 thread currently running that it is possible a small incremental order for Dreamliner 9s may be announced on 24 August. I just think its more likely an order may be made this time next year to draw more media attention to the Dreamliners about to arrive in service ...
However, I want to ask about JQ and their 11 x -8s. Does anyone think that more will be ordered for JQ, if only to take them back to the originally planned 14 or 15? Anyone heard any speculation or have any thoughts on this? Also, what do you all think about the larger models of the Dreamliner entering JQ service? I would think unlikely, but if the -10 in particular meets it's promise on medium range routes and JQ can fill them into and around Asia/Hawaii....
While on the topic, has there been any recent 'vision' statements from JQ HQ about longer range route growth? All that speculation about 'southern Europe' and 'Americas' was just that - speculation? or so deferred it seems impossible? With relative financial stability returning to the QF Group, and mainline certainly appearing to be in an expansionary mode (albeit very cautiously of course), what about growth at JQ?
Cheers,
Bunumuring


As mentioned above and at http://www.ausbt.com.au/jetstar-austral ... s-to-china JQ is looking at expanding into China but without an order for more 787s in there fleet i don't see how this will happen. There is some suggestion of SYD-WUH, which would use the aircraft from the canceled BNE-HNL but beyond that the fleet is stretched already. Could we see a surprise order?

smi0006 wrote:
I'm curious, I recall the originally theory for JQ and QF having different narrow body fleets relating to different pay scales for tech crew - yet this doesn't seem to be an issue for the 787s - whilst 800 V 900, I doubt that would hold much weight. As such do you think we could see QF take on some of those NEO? How many many CEOs does JQ have? That would be a very large narrow body fleet, and could lead to some significant savings in maintanecne, and ground handling? Would contanarised loading also benefit QF? I could see some 321NEOs being useful on the triangle, Tasman, and some Asia flying ex- ADL and PER. .


There has been suggestion of QF ultimately replacing the 737s with those NEO's in the future.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 143

Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:32 pm

There a few articles around today commenting on QF's first 787 route, all reporting it could possibly be LON-PER, below are a couple of them. In all the articles I have read about this all mention LON-PER and not PER-LON which got me thinking that it could quite possibly be operated PER-DXB-LON-PER. When I first came across this today I was surprised to see QF thinking about LON-PER being the first ULH route for the 787 as I have always thought it would be MEL-DFW. I guess we will find out what is the first ULH route in the coming months

Joyce also says Qantas is considering a London-Perth direct route for Boeing 787’s and will make a decision on that the end of 2016.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busines ... 05d83a43e3

Qantas plans to unveil its first route using Boeing's 787 at the end of this year and is considering a direct London-Perth link that would rank among the world's longest flights.


http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation ... qltrb.html
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 143

Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:18 pm

log0008 wrote:
There is some suggestion of SYD-WUH, which would use the aircraft from the canceled BNE-HNL but beyond that the fleet is stretched already. Could we see a surprise order?


Hi mate,

I had forgotten the unusual Gold Coast-Wuhan route announced earlier this year for JQ. Great left-of-centre thinking for Jetstar but the agreements between the relevant Chinese property conglomerate and JQ over the route would be interesting. With China Eastern looking at operating Xian/Wuhan-Sydney flights by the end of this year, I doubt JQ would tackle that particular route, but OOL-WUH under arrangement with the Chinese must be attractive enough to launch for JQ.
I agree with you that an order for three or four extra 787s for JQ would not be a surprise, it's just which model they opt for that intrigues me. Standardising on the -8 would seem logical but the economics of the -10 and the range of the -9 must be attractive - think Norwegian for the latter!

Anyone have any info on which soon to be ex RAAF Orion is going to HARS?

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 143

Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:26 pm

[quote="qf789"]In all the articles I have read about this all mention LON-PER and not PER-LON which got me thinking that it could quite possibly be operated PER-DXB-LON-PER. When I first came across this today I was surprised to see QF thinking about LON-PER being the first ULH route for the 787 as I have always thought it would be MEL-DFW. I guess we will find out what is the first ULH route in the coming months[quote]

Hey mate,
Try PER-DXB-LHR-PER-MEL-DFW-MEL and so on... allows for some short haul training of pilots etc on the domestic leg... and those jets do have to get somehow from east coast to Perth and vice versa!
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 143

Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:39 pm

MU increases both SYD & MEL flights for NW16/17

Shanghai Pu Dong – Melbourne Increase from 10 to 13-14 weekly, including 3 weekly flights served by 777-300ER
MU739 PVG0015 – 1340MEL 77W 135
MU739 PVG0015 – 1340MEL 332 246
MU737 PVG2015 – 1000+1MEL 332 D

MU738 MEL1200 – 1920PVG 332 D
MU740 MEL2230 – 0555+1PVG 77W 135
MU740 MEL2230 – 0600+1PVG 332 246

MU739/740 with 777-300ER operates as Day x246 from 17NOV16 to 17FEB17.

Shanghai Pu Dong – Sydney Increase from 10 to 13-14 weekly, including 1 weekly flight served by 777-300ER
MU735 PVG0015 – 1335SYD 332 x4
MU735 PVG0015 – 1335SYD 77W 4
MU561 PVG2020 – 1000+1SYD 332 D

MU562 SYD1200 – 1920PVG 332 D
MU736 SYD2130 – 0500+1PVG 332 x4
MU736 SYD2130 – 0500+1PVG 77W 4

MU735/736 Day 1 service operates from 21NOV16 to 18FEB17.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 143

Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:12 pm

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With the 717 increasingly operating on previously main line capital city domestic routes, I'm surprised to hear QF haven't already demanded that the flights be crewed to QF standard. They wear QF uniforms, so it would make sense to go all the way and provide service as if you were on a QF aircraft.


Didn't QFLink have CSMs on their BA146 & 717 I want to say operated by southern when they existed, or Eastern? I vaguely recall a QantasLink CSM along with an FA fought off a man armed with Woden spikes atemptign to hijack the plane? But I could have those older uniforms mixed up. Think it was on a 146 or 717 but could have been a 737
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 143

Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:28 pm

smi0006 wrote:
Didn't QFLink have CSMs on their BA146 & 717 I want to say operated by southern when they existed, or Eastern? I vaguely recall a QantasLink CSM along with an FA fought off a man armed with Woden spikes atemptign to hijack the plane? But I could have those older uniforms mixed up. Think it was on a 146 or 717 but could have been a 737


QantasLink/Impulse had dedicated Pursers (later called Cabin Managers) on the 717s. They wore the mainline CSM uniform.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 143

Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:55 pm

Ditzyboy wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
Didn't QFLink have CSMs on their BA146 & 717 I want to say operated by southern when they existed, or Eastern? I vaguely recall a QantasLink CSM along with an FA fought off a man armed with Woden spikes atemptign to hijack the plane? But I could have those older uniforms mixed up. Think it was on a 146 or 717 but could have been a 737


QantasLink/Impulse had dedicated Pursers (later called Cabin Managers) on the 717s. They wore the mainline CSM uniform.


Ahah interesting - thank you. Did they get offered jobs at short-haul? Or were they forced accross to JQ? Back when I was with QFLink in mid 00's you could progress over to short-haul, but as things had slowed down following sept 11th it was a long process. previously 2 years at QFLink and you could head to mainline and keep your seniority. MAM, followed by QCCA changed that, it became a 5 year wait, then 8 year then stopped. People just joined QCCA followed by QCCD eventually - or stayed on the Dash as they enjoyed the people and lifestyle. No idea what it's like now.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 143

Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:18 am

Does anyone know if there are restrictions on QF and JL codesharing on their direct flights between SYD- NRT and HND. I know they codeshare on SIN-Tokyo. QF use the JL lounge at HND so they do have a relationship.
I have flown JL a few time now to Europe. Really good J fares if you book in advance. Quite a few other passengers were continuing on to Europe too.
ZL,QF,KE,BA,AS,CX,FR,U2,W6,EI,IB,JL,AY,LH,AA,AC,FQ,DJ,JQ,LA,FJ,QS,NZ,NF,SB,PG,EK,AB,VA,MH,KA,VN
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 143

Sun Aug 07, 2016 3:16 am

Looks like PER may see some international expansion early next year, with Thai Lion Air looking to start BKK-DPS-PER, alongside the already rumoured Malindo KUL-DPS-BNE service.

Flying more distant routes is on the cards for TLA, which intends to launch a regular flight from Bangkok to Perth with a stopover in Bali early next year, pending regulatory approval.

Source


Also, a rumour floating around that MU will link PER with PVG within the next 12 months.

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