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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:00 am

Well I guess flights from the US going to Turkey will be held . I swear that can't win for losing in Turkey, as this will hinder tourism even further.
 
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:11 am

I see TK163 from JNB is ducking into AYT.
 
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:13 am

Erdoğan's plane landing in IST as we speak. Took off from Dalaman, he was in Marmaris at the time.
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:40 am

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It would be completely normal and expected that ALL FLIGHTS by airlines not based in Turkey turn back, or divert to alternates tonight.


Several British leisure carrier flights to resort destinations in Turkey operated normally although they landed more than 2 hours after the coup attempt began.

I noticed a Monarch Airways A321 from LGW to DLM (Dalaman) and a Thomas Cook A321 from BHX to DLM a few minutes behind on Flightradar24 overflying Turkey heading for DLM. Since it was well after the coup attempt was in the news and after IST airport was closed, I expected they might decide to divert to ATH or elsewhere but they both continued for another hour or so and landed at DLM normally around 0145 local time, just about on time. Since virtually all the passengers would be British tourists I expect some may not be happy about landing in a country that's in the midst of a military coup.
 
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:53 am

raaadek wrote:
Erdogan deciding if it is safe to go to IST?
https://www.flightradar24.com/THY8456/a5a3952

I wouldn't be really surprised if all this is a theater by Erdogan himself in order to bring presidential system to Turkey.
 
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:16 am

I fear that Turkey may escalate into civil war if this deteriorates. My friend is over at turkey, and she may not be able to leave when she is supposed to, since the airports will probably still be closed if Turkey's political situation doesn't improve fast enough. I'm not certain about what will happen to Istanbul's new airport.
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:38 am

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Are other TK flights launching from US gateways tonight?
 
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:47 am

TK #80 from SFO is on it's way to IST and so is TK#2 from JFK. (Flight aware is the source)
 
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:30 am

My niece is on Singapore airlines to Istanbul and got a call this morning from my mother to say that her flight has been tuned back to Singapore, not sure how far into the flight they go before they had to turn back?
 
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:34 am

I have friends stuck at the airport,

Can anyone confirm if the fligths will resume at 6 am if so they will remain at the airport otherwise they will not
 
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Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:43 am

TK91, 77W from ICN diverted to AYT.
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:47 am

I wander what effect something like this will have on future bookings at Turkish Airlines. This instability while horrific first and foremost to the residents of Turkey cannot be good for business.
 
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:29 am

All PC and TK narrow bodies seem to be diverting to Istanbul Sabiha.
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:55 am

Flyingsottsman wrote:
My niece is on Singapore airlines to Istanbul and got a call this morning from my mother to say that her flight has been tuned back to Singapore, not sure how far into the flight they go before they had to turn back?


SQ392 turned back over India, some four hours into the flight.
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:43 am

In the morning (about 7 AM local) they announced that Turkish Airlines starts operation again. It seems that still all flights until noon are cancelled.

Official message on TK website:

Attention to our Passengers

Dear Passengers,

Announcement from Turkish Airlines to our esteemed guests and to the public.

Upon the call of our President and Commander-In-Chief H.E. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, our operations at Istanbul Atatürk Airport have gone back to routin operation conditions.

We kindly ask our passengers to check our official communication channels for new information in order to avoid any inconvenience.

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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:07 am

PacificBeach wrote:
raaadek wrote:
Erdogan deciding if it is safe to go to IST?
https://www.flightradar24.com/THY8456/a5a3952

I wouldn't be really surprised if all this is a theater by Erdogan himself in order to bring presidential system to Turkey.


I agree with you. It seemed so weird from the start, and then people just pulling wandering army units out of tanks and flying the flag, like this was egged on by Erdogan's regime knowing it would be a trap. Now he gets excuses to consolidate power more and do as he pleases, while blaming his old rival living in a small town in America. Now he can go purging everyone he does not like, again.
 
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:11 am

Quite a few airlines still operate to Antalya AYT. At the moment Flightradar shows Norwegian, SAS, Tuifly Netherlands, Luxair, Condor, Edelweiss - among others.
 
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:12 am

The list of holiday destinations is shrinking every month.
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:44 am

If this does not have a major impact on TK I don't know what it could have.

I would even say that most people today has became a bit used to terrorist attacks (thinking about last month's attack in IST; see Nice two days ago). But a coup d'état? You don't certainly have that in France or anywhere in the civilised world.

Btw IST was 8.6% down last month. I wouldn't be surprised that we see double digit decreases soon.
 
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:29 am

Looks like coup failed. Even some flights to IST are operating, but still many canceled. Airports outside Istanbul and Ankara seems fully operating.
 
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:42 am

British Carriers are going by Foreign Office travel advice, which as yet hasn't changed. Normal operations
 
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:46 am

Main issue with IST airport would be if security has been breached which it looks like it was then the airport has to be searched to allow it to return to a standard that is excepted for International flights.
 
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:24 am

Security Status

Avoid non-essential travel.

We are advising Irish citizens to avoid non-essential travel to Turkey at this time.

The Department of Foreign Affairs and our embassy in Ankara are monitoring the evolving situation in Ankara and Istanbul where a heightened security presence and some incidents of violence are reported.

The situation is unclear, and Irish citizens considering travel to Turkey are advised to delay travel until the situation becomes clearer.

https://www.dfa.ie/travel/travel-advice ... es/turkey/
 
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:36 am

b747400erf wrote:
PacificBeach wrote:
raaadek wrote:
Erdogan deciding if it is safe to go to IST?
https://www.flightradar24.com/THY8456/a5a3952

I wouldn't be really surprised if all this is a theater by Erdogan himself in order to bring presidential system to Turkey.


I agree with you. It seemed so weird from the start, and then people just pulling wandering army units out of tanks and flying the flag, like this was egged on by Erdogan's regime knowing it would be a trap. Now he gets excuses to consolidate power more and do as he pleases, while blaming his old rival living in a small town in America. Now he can go purging everyone he does not like, again.


I do agree, with both of you!

Very sad and unfortunate days; not only for what has happened (already accounting for 90 losses from the public and loyal security forces plus another 104 dead from the revolters side and more than 1000 wounded) and for what will happen (Turkey will be condemned for a long time as an "insecure" territory for the tourists, etc.).

EDIT: Mush to our regrets, life losses toll seem to be increasing. Just heard that the 90 figure went over to 160 but still don't know if its official announcement.
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:49 am

I supposed to fly TK 1910 from ZRH to IST, and then TK 1 IST to JFK tomorrow morning.

While both flights are not cancelled as of now, I decide to find an alternative flight back to JFK.
The coup might be over but Turkish Airlines has not been really clear on what it wants to do. Its social media team is silent and the website does not offer any fee waiver or change possibility.

As of this point, I am sort of giving up in recovering the return portion of my ticket, but given the situation at Istanbul and how TK handles irregular operation, I am going to give it a pass.

It will definitely affect TK this year but if the fare is cheap enough, people will still fly it.

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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:17 am

From Finnair: "Finnair flies to and from Antalya and Gazipasa normally at the moment." The customers who have fights to Turkey can postpone their fights or change the destination to another European destination. If the fare is higher, the difference is collected.

TUINordic had an early flight (B737-700) HEL to Antalya, they said 37 passengers chose to take the fllight.
 
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:59 am

Help! Hungry airline passengers stormed Star Alliance Turkish Airlines CIP lounge in Istanbul

At The Star Alliance Turkish Airlines CIP Lounge at Ataturk International Airport in Istanbul is perceived as the best airline lounge in the world by many.

Today this lounge was the scene of desperate passengers left without water and food to storm the gates of the lounge and helped themselves with whatever food was left.

In the meantime tweets say Turkish Airlines quietly opened their lounge for all passengers and are keeping passengers in the lounge updated. even though this was not announced the lounge is filling up quickly.

Star alliance member Turkish airlines' check-in desks in Istanbul are occupied by passengers, and not by customer service agents.

Turkish Airlines offices around the globe keep tweeting that operation is back to normal. This tweet was to be sent according to an order issued by president Erdoğan, president of Turkey.

http://www.eturbonews.com/72933/help-hu ... urkish-air
 
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:36 am

A Turkish Black Hawk landed at Alexandroupolis Airport escorted by 2 Greek F-16s. Don't know if commercial flights will operate to/from there, considering all that.
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:11 pm

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A Turkish Black Hawk landed at Alexandroupolis Airport escorted by 2 Greek F-16s. Don't know if commercial flights will operate to/from there, considering all that.
http://en.protothema.gr/breaking-turkis ... ndroupoli/


That has the potential to be a diplomatic mess. !
 
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:31 pm

Pity the coup didn't work.

Anyway, this will have huge impact on civil aviation. The European holiday season is ahead, and many of the millions of tourists with trips booked to Turkey will now take the opportunity and cancel.

What we can already tell for sure is that this will be another setback for IST, which surprisingly has already been outgrown in H1 16 by other airports in Europe such as AMS.

Also, there can be no doubt that Erdogan will seize the opportunity left by the failed coup and crack down on democracy even more - you can already see this in the thousands of judges that have already been suspended. A dictatorship like Erdogan wants to build it will hurt the Turkish economy and hence air travel over the long term.
 
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:44 pm

BA have stopped flight today.
"In the light of events in Turkey we have cancelled all flights to and from Turkey on Saturday 16 July 2016, and BA675 departing from Istanbul on Sunday 17 July.

We are keeping flights to Turkey under review.

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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:19 pm

Does anyone know what happened to the Air Arabia flight that turned around over the Marmara Sea and diverted to Thessaloniki? Did it go back to Morocco and what happened to the passengers at Thessaloniki, as most of them wouldn't be allowed to enter Greece. The coup is now over but I'm hearing that British Airways and some others are cancelling flights today. I'm a bit worried as I have a ticket for next week from Istanbul to London on Pegasus and a friend is flying Air Arabia to Casablanca.

It's been an interesting night, with streets deserted, jets and helicopters over Istanbul and the live TV broadcast interrupted by the military that invaded the TV studio, followed by a large mob that came in and overwhelmed the military. The military took over Ataturk airport but then Erdogan called for people to go to the squares and the airports and they overwhelmed the military in these places, allowing Erdogan to land and declare himself in control. Some of the military soldiers were then beheaded by the mob that was shouting "alahu akbar". I flew into Sabiha myself just the night before - if I had booked one day later I would have got caught up in this. I think the airlines were right to turn around. The last think you want is to land and find yourself in the middle of a standoff between the police, the army and an angry mob. It's not my cup of tea, anyway.
 
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:35 pm

What a mess of a country... it looks Egypt or Syria 2011.

But you can't keep forever the fantasy of the CIP Lounge at IST and Nusaybin within the some borders. At some point everything will explode.
 
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:36 pm

raaadek wrote:
Erdogan deciding if it is safe to go to IST?
https://www.flightradar24.com/THY8456/a5a3952


He is deciding everything. I saw a message to the TK passengers which was rather a hommage to "H.E. Erdogan" with the remark to the cattle to see how they get fed and eventually on a flight, whenever that'll be. Disgusting.

Then someone here wrote that he's booked on TK tomorrow flying ZRH IST JFK and indeed at FRA another üpassenger was Radio interviewed and he was anxious how he'll get from FRA via IST to the US now. Seriously, who else but a.nutters will fly 2 or 3 hours in the wrong direction , Change there and spend hours on the ground, (if there is no putsch or bomb attack) and then fly that 2 or 3 hours again to overfly the place that would have brought him from there almost to his final destination in the time spent on a crummy aircraft.

How much cheapee was that ticket over LH or DL, ten Dollars or twenty Euros?
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:02 pm

So, have the talks about Turkey's EU membership resumed yet..? :roll:
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:56 pm

FAA Bans Flights Between the US and Turkey

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national ... 01501.html
 
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:38 pm

AC has cancelled today's and tommorrow flights to IST.

http://www.aircanada.com/en/news/160715_2.html

Question related to Turkish passports. In 2004 movie The Terminal Tom Hank's character (Viktor Navorski) passport became invalid as a result of military coup in his home country- Krakozhia.

Would the same apply to Turkish passports? (Turkish passengers unable to enter US or leave for that matter)
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Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:50 pm

bmacleod wrote:
Question related to Turkish passports. In 2004 movie The Terminal Tom Hank's character (Viktor Navorski) passport became invalid as a result of military coup in his home country- Krakozhia.

Would the same apply to Turkish passports? (Turkish passengers unable to enter US or leave for that matter)


Not at all. Such is scenario is only imaginable if one country would dissolve in several others.
 
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:36 pm

Erdogan is such a crook! The streets become extremely dangerous with an uprising and he tells the people to go out... ???? That is at the Venezuela level!

After the bombing, I had crossed off Istanbul from my destination list. From now on, no Turkish Airlines.

As for impact, I can see a group of frantic Turkish Airlines senior employees meeting this Monday and looking at an extremely worrying chart showing bookings dried up.
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:13 pm

PanHAM wrote:
raaadek wrote:
Erdogan deciding if it is safe to go to IST?
https://www.flightradar24.com/THY8456/a5a3952



How much cheapee was that ticket over LH or DL, ten Dollars or twenty Euros?


Whenever I price a flight from ORD to Europe TK is usually the cheapest, and by more than just $10.

I would have considered it in the future since I believe TK gives free stopover in Istanbul, great city, but with the issues I probably won't be doing that for a while.
 
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:59 pm

FAA bans flights to and from Turkey:
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national ... 01501.html
 
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Re: Turkish military coup

Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:11 pm

PanHAM wrote:
raaadek wrote:
Erdogan deciding if it is safe to go to IST?
https://www.flightradar24.com/THY8456/a5a3952


He is deciding everything. I saw a message to the TK passengers which was rather a hommage to "H.E. Erdogan" with the remark to the cattle to see how they get fed and eventually on a flight, whenever that'll be. Disgusting.

Then someone here wrote that he's booked on TK tomorrow flying ZRH IST JFK and indeed at FRA another üpassenger was Radio interviewed and he was anxious how he'll get from FRA via IST to the US now. Seriously, who else but a.nutters will fly 2 or 3 hours in the wrong direction , Change there and spend hours on the ground, (if there is no putsch or bomb attack) and then fly that 2 or 3 hours again to overfly the place that would have brought him from there almost to his final destination in the time spent on a crummy aircraft.

How much cheapee was that ticket over LH or DL, ten Dollars or twenty Euros?


Flyertalk members. Or, as in my case, a member of both. And as how much cheaper was the TK ticket compared to LH? Approximately 2500 CAD for the two of us.
That said, we are flying now with LH instead of TK on the way to BUD. What happens to the return leg remains to be seen
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:34 pm

FYI:

http://turkey.usembassy.gov/warden_info ... ly-16-2016

"Per the Federal Aviation Administration’s notice to airmen (NOTAM) dated July 15, 2016, U.S. airline carriers are prohibited from flying to or from Istanbul and Ankara airports. All airline carriers, regardless of country of registry, are prohibited from flying into the United States from Turkey either directly or via third country."
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:39 pm

CrimsonNL wrote:
So, have the talks about Turkey's EU membership resumed yet..? :roll:

Makes you wonder if they should be in NATO or not.
PanHAM wrote:
Then someone here wrote that he's booked on TK tomorrow flying ZRH IST JFK and indeed at FRA another üpassenger was Radio interviewed and he was anxious how he'll get from FRA via IST to the US now. Seriously, who else but a.nutters will fly 2 or 3 hours in the wrong direction, Change there and spend hours on the ground, (if there is no putsch or bomb attack) and then fly that 2 or 3 hours again to overfly the place that would have brought him from there almost to his final destination in the time spent on a crummy aircraft.

How much cheapee was that ticket over LH or DL, ten Dollars or twenty Euros?

Two years ago I priced BOS - CDG vs BOS - IST - CDG and the difference was a heck of a lot more than $10.

I think it was $800 for using TK and $1100 for using AF, so a fairy significant amount cheaper especially given that TK is flying two legs cheaper than AF is flying one.

But, in addition to the valid concerns you raise above, their accident history ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_A ... _accidents ) bothers me enough to avoid using them.

Now add to that the threat of coups and terrorist bombings I doubt I'd ever use them.

But I know plenty of people who aren't a.netters who would see the price difference for such flights and book TK. It might make the difference between going and not going, especially for a family or group trip.
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:56 pm

bmacleod wrote:
AC has cancelled today's and tommorrow flights to IST.

http://www.aircanada.com/en/news/160715_2.html



And Sunday's YYZ-IST is showing an extra stop at ZRH for some reason. Same thing on the return flight. From Monday onwards the schedule seems to be back to the normal daily nonstop.
 
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sun Jul 17, 2016 12:39 am

It is a sad day, but I think the country is headed on the wrong direction fast. Air canada flight is probably doing stop over in Zrh just to get fuel and minimize the time on the ground in Istanbul.
All the Turkish flights are banned from USA. I have family that are stuck in Istanbul. Too bad Turkish passport holders cannot freely travel to Europe , so that I can extract them back to USA. :(
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sun Jul 17, 2016 1:38 am

Well, looks like the guys building the third Istanbul airport can take a break. Passenger numbers are going to dwindle at all Turkish airports. I can see several carriers pulling out of IST in the coming months (if not days). Though times ahead for Turkey. .
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:04 am

I've been thinking about DL's prescient exit from IST, and I'm coming to the conclusion Department of State probably advised them in the decision.
 
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:03 am

william wrote:
I wander what effect something like this will have on future bookings at Turkish Airlines. This instability while horrific first and foremost to the residents of Turkey cannot be good for business.

Yes, TK will lose some traffic but I suspect that they will offer attractive prices to fill their flights.

Lofty wrote:
Main issue with IST airport would be if security has been breached which it looks like it was then the airport has to be searched to allow it to return to a standard that is excepted for International flights.

One of the Periscope videos that showed throngs of protesters marching on the tarmac at IST was not a good sign. I see why the FAA would ban all flights from Turkey period. Imagine what ill intentioned people could have done at IST with such major security failure taking place.
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Pity the coup didn't work.

While most of us who value and cherish secular democracy may be disappointed, a coup that 'worked' may not have been clean and may have plunged the country and the region into chaos. Democratic tools for changing governments are the only way IMHO. With the economy challenges ahead, I believe Erdogan may have trouble keeping the population happy.
aviationaware wrote:
Anyway, this will have huge impact on civil aviation. The European holiday season is ahead, and many of the millions of tourists with trips booked to Turkey will now take the opportunity and cancel.

Can they cancel w/o penalties? Or does it require a foreign office travel advisory to cancel?
 
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Re: Turkish military coup impact on civil aviation

Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:23 am

aviationaware wrote:
Pity the coup didn't work.

Anyway, this will have huge impact on civil aviation. The European holiday season is ahead, and many of the millions of tourists with trips booked to Turkey will now take the opportunity and cancel.

What we can already tell for sure is that this will be another setback for IST, which surprisingly has already been outgrown in H1 16 by other airports in Europe such as AMS.

Also, there can be no doubt that Erdogan will seize the opportunity left by the failed coup and crack down on democracy even more - you can already see this in the thousands of judges that have already been suspended. A dictatorship like Erdogan wants to build it will hurt the Turkish economy and hence air travel over the long term.


What an idiotic comment to say. Over 300 lost their lives in this attemp to destroy the country, and you are cheering for the coup to take place?! Erdogan and his party were democratically elected by the people, and now you want an anarchist group of unknown people to take over an entire NATO country? Im not surprised at all. The entire world suppored the democratically elected gov't and here you are cheering for civil unrest.
لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله

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